If a soul were to be reincarnated, could it choose to live many years after it's previous life? Or does it happen immediately?

Do you think a spirit would have a choice of when he reincarnates?

Why would you even ask this. You know as much as anyone else in the world when it comes to the "afterlife" and such, unless you think that one of the groups who over time managed to come up with a satisfactory collection of lies and such is correct in which case you should specify which of these brainless herd animals you wish to believe.

Why would you even ask this. You know as much as anyone else in the world when it comes to the "afterlife" and such, unless you think that one of the groups who over time managed to come up with a satisfactory collection of myths and such is correct in which case you should specify which of these brainless herd animals you wish to believe.

Theoretical –adjective

1) Existing only in theory; hypothetical.

I just wanted to hear people's ideas, not facts.

I just wanted to hear people's ideas, not facts.
Any "facts" would simply be ideas anyway.

Theres no response. You can believe that after death you have to eat 20 bananas and become a monkey, or take a pill that will make you a cow. Or nothing will happen...at all.

If a soul were to be reincarnated, could it choose to live many years after it's previous life?

Do you think a spirit would have a choice of when he reincarnates?

yes, and yes.

Sometimes it is nice to just hang out in Spirit for a while before reincarnating.

You know that scene from Fight Club?

You wake up at Seatac, SFO, LAX. You wake up at O'Hare, Dallas-Fort Worth, BWI. Pacific, mountain, central. Lose an hour, gain an hour. This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You wake up at Air Harbor International. If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person?

Take of this what you will, but according to books and viedos i've seen, and my own NDE, it appears that you can decide when you come back to earth, and what your life will be like, at leastin general terms.

... and what your life will be like, at least in general terms.

In my case I should have been a lot more specific.

In my case I should have been a lot more specific.

Too true.

I am reminded of the great short story, The Monkey's Paw.

Depending on which religion, if any, that you choose to follow, the rules of reincarnation differ. Let's take Buddhism for example. The ultimate goal is enlightenment and you reincarnate until you reach that state of being. Reincarnation in Buddhism occurs as Rebirth. It is a continuous journey for one with a connection to the next being.

I believe as we are at this moment, that we are not in control of such things like choosing how long we get to live in our next life. Each "spirit" is part of a whole and we are to play whichever role that completes the whole. Without this whole, we are nothing. Though we feel as if choice is a freedom at the moment, it is but a boundary placed around us by our limitation as just human beings.

To narrow it down, look at it as if it were fixed, like a machine. Without air we cannot breathe, without light we cannot see, to, without robbers there are no cops, without blind people there is no sight. The smaller functions that make up a whole. Think about what could happen if we did have that choice and compare it to who we see in the world today.

If reincarnation exists I'm gonna come back as an extraterrestrial, that'd be fucking cool. Rumor has it that there are energy beings the Greys know about, I want to meet them.

Our ideas are complete guesses, there's no way to test/confirm anything, but I would believe that as higher beings (as spirits after our physical death) we would have more freedom for our souls then we do now. Although, I am just using that belief to cope with the fact that I'm eventually going to die. You know how we humans are.

Edit: I'm a spiritual atheist btw.

souls don't die with the body. they just replace bodies when their bodies die.

theres a calculation thats made. But its instant, however, if you must wait, you will because you have to.

if you have made -10000 karma points, you will be reincarnated as a starving child in Africa who will have to live his life to the best he can to come back to positive. If he somehow makes it into +1337 karma points, then when he dies, he will become me, and live a nice happy life with an option to live even better in the next.

However, if he has somehow made 1,000,000,00 karma points like Gandhi, he would have to wait a long long time, till the world evolves technologically for him to be reincarnated into a happy muthafucka. Because you see, as time improved, people are getting happier and happier, there was nobody nearly close to being as happy as us in 10,000 b.c.

Considering the infinity of time and the largeness of the universe, you could even be reincarnated in other planets, so maybe im wrong, maybe theres no waiting at all.

As far as breaking the cycle and entering nirvana, that my friend is one thing that cannot be explained until you experience it yourself, I believe Buddha accomplished it. =).

souls don't die with the body. they just replace bodies when their bodies die.

theres a calculation thats made. But its instant, however, if you must wait, you will because you have to.

if you have made -10000 karma points, you will be reincarnated as a starving child in Africa who will have to live his life to the best he can to come back to positive. If he somehow makes it into +1337 karma points, then when he dies, he will become me, and live a nice happy life with an option to live even better in the next.

However, if he has somehow made 1,000,000,00 karma points like Gandhi, he would have to wait a long long time, till the world evolves technologically for him to be reincarnated into a happy muthafucka. Because you see, as time improved, people are getting happier and happier, there was nobody nearly close to being as happy as us in 10,000 b.c.

Considering the infinity of time and the largeness of the universe, you could even be reincarnated in other planets, so maybe im wrong, maybe theres no waiting at all.

As far as breaking the cycle and entering nirvana, that my friend is one thing that cannot be explained until you experience it yourself, I believe Buddha accomplished it. =).

Hmm, I've never believed in that point system of karma that affects your afterlife, I've always thought if you do have negative karma, your mind would be forced to suffer your negative karma experiences as the victim so that you could become more understanding to the situation, and then you would proceed to your next life, hoping that it stuck in your mind.

Any "facts" would simply be ideas anyway.

some people just dont get the idea of a discussion forum

It's all BS anyway, imho. No one can empirically know the truth about the afterlife, and any NDE/psychedelic experiences are better explained by disturbances in neurotransmitter flow. Example: Hearing voices has been shown with overactivity in Broca's area of the brain. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DE1631F931A1575AC0A9659582 60 So, the implications of this should be obvious, that alot of spiritual revelations come from people who today we'd label crazy. Now, we could get into frequency theory (brain as a frequency receiver, dialing in to various 'channels') as an explanation, but then why does not the majority of psychedelic/drug users have these experiences. Is contact with the divine/aliens really that unreliable? Invent whatever reasons you wish, but at the end of the day, you're defending an immaterial, unreliable position.

Personally, I've talked to God twice, met spiritual messengers and devils, performed telepathy, but still I hold out that they are explainable within the context of the situation. Unless some ghost was like 'zomg, dig over here for a buried treasure' and loandbehold, gold, then to make statements as fact about the divine realities (looking at you, Armsmerchant) is not only narcissistic, but ignorant.

I'm not saying it is impossible, but, come on, isn't this a tad bit silly to assume. It's better to focus on your current life, and how to guide it, than to worry about the unknowable.

Also, to the poster about rumors the Greys 'know' about 'spiritual energy beings': Lol, wtf?

Also, to the poster about rumors the Greys 'know' about 'spiritual energy beings': Lol, wtf?

I SEEN DEM http://www.ufobc.ca/yukon/yukon%20images/alien.jpg

without blind people there is no sight.

I get your point and it sounds pretty good, but i think you have those two backwards...

I get your point and it sounds pretty good, but i think you have those two backwards...

Haha... you're right.

I'm not saying it is impossible, but, come on, isn't this a tad bit silly to assume. It's better to focus on your current life, and how to guide it, than to worry about the unknowable.

Ultimately everything is unknowable. Arms may believe things that are currently unknowable by scientific standards, but he's extremely happy compared to most people, that's what counts. Besides, these "unknowable" things really haven't been adequately studied. Most scientists don't even get close to this stuff because they'd lose credibility. Also, the people/groups that give them money to do the research/studies, their overlords, most of them wouldn't want them to research these things.

Ok, well he presumes to be worlds above us in knowing what's happening in an unprovable way, his speculation is therefore irrelevant, especially when the modern scientific establishment is pointing towards a deterministic view of reality, which is my ever-increasing perception, but don't take my word for it. Instead, because ideas like free will have been eroded at by science, then we shouldn't hold to more than what is provable. Unless we can establish data, it is pure speculation. Science's achievements did come out of the sky, but by learning the laws of the universe. So, to presume he has it right or can speak to it with authority is presumptuous and narcisstic. Instead, I propose we look for trends, data, evidence of these higher places/beings.

hindu religion you know the hare krishnas , vedas and all say that after you die you can go spend some time with god but then you will come back recicarnet as whatever your karma brings you

if you lived like a pig eating whatever comes from you, guess what your next life you will be a pig, and you should consider yourself lucky to be human because is the only way for you to be smart enough to realize god,

if you live in a temple and serve your entire life to god and the moment of death you think of god you will never come back to this plain of excistence again and spend the rest of your soul excstience with god in his dimision

im not hindu or anything i just find the books really intersting

When Self realization is attained, when the snake becomes the rope, when all qualities are transcended.
When one is liberated from samsara the realm of indefinite births, deaths, and rebirths, when the fog of ignorance never existed, and the world beyond is attained.
When all sin (dharama and karma) ceases, and liberation knowledge is realized, no longer will the moon appear as many.

This topic reminded me of the Dark Tower books.

Major Major Spoilers for the ending of the Dark Tower books below for anyone reading them (doubtful, but it doesn't hurt to be considerate)














It reminds me of how Roland the main character relives his whole journey over and over. He goes on a lifelong quest to reach the tower. He finds it, climbs it and sees all his old memories wondering what is at the top. He finds a door at the top with his name over it. He opens it and realizes in horror what is happening. The door sucks him through and places him in the desert where he was at the beginning of the first book and his memory is erased. All he knows is that he is following the Man in Black and searching for the Dark Tower. And the whole hellish process starts over.

It is kinda of an interesting thought to think that our spirit is conscious after death and we choose what we want to be reincarnated as. But then all our previous knowledge is erased. Until we die again, and then the knowledge from that lifetime is added to what we know.
So maybe the reason you aren't a rich badass movie star, is because you have done it before and wanted to try something normal and new lol.

And by the by. That was a bunch of random bullshit I just spouted for fun. But I suppose some of it is kinda interesting. Ha.

If a soul were to be reincarnated, could it choose to live many years after it's previous life? Or does it happen immediately?

Do you think a spirit would have a choice of when he reincarnates?

Yes, and yes.

Free will is absolute.

Ok, well he presumes to be worlds above us in knowing what's happening in an unprovable way, his speculation is therefore irrelevant, especially when the modern scientific establishment is pointing towards a deterministic view of reality, which is my ever-increasing perception, but don't take my word for it. Instead, because ideas like free will have been eroded at by science, then we shouldn't hold to more than what is provable. Unless we can establish data, it is pure speculation. Science's achievements did come out of the sky, .

Incorrect on several counts.
"Worlds above us" rather strongly implies I have some notions of superiority. On many occasions, I stress that we are are All One, that no one is better or worse than anyone else. We are all on the path to sainthood--obviously, some of us are farther along on that path than others, but so what?

"especially when the modern scientific establishment is pointing towards a deterministic view of reality,"

Incorrect again, unless by modern, you mean circa Sir Isaac Newton. Study some quantum physics, a basic and well-proven tenet of which is "the observer affects the observed."

Finally, as some of us know--many things of which we speak cannot be proven--they can only be experienced.

Just about reincarnation and where all the new souls come from over time. Everybody always say that they've been the reincarnation of Cleopatra or Alexander the Great. I always want to tell them they were probably some dumb fuck like everybody else. I mean, it's impossible. Think about it. The world population has doubled in the past 40 years, right? So if you really believe in that ego thing of one eternal soul, then you have only 50% chance of your soul being over 40. And for it to be over 150 years old, then it's only one out of six.

Right, so what are you saying? That reincarnation doesn't exist, or that we're all young souls like where half of us are first round humans?

No, no. What I'm trying to say is that somehow I believe reincarnation is just a - a poetic expression of what collective memory really is. There was this article by this biochemist that I read not long ago, and he was talking about how when a member of our species is born, it has a billion years of memory to draw on. And this is where we inherit our instincts.

I like that. It's like there's this whole telepathic thing going on that we're all a part of, whether we're conscious of it or not. That would explain why there are all these, you know, seemingly spontaneous, worldwide, innovative leaps in science, in the arts. You know, like the same results poppin' up everywhere independent of each other. Some guy on a computer, he figures something out, and then almost simultaneously a bunch of other people all over the world figure out the same thing. They did this study. They isolated a group of people over time, and they monitored their abilities at crossword puzzles, right, in relation to the general population. And they secretly gave them a day-old crossword, one that had already been answered by thousands of other people, right. And their scores went up dramatically, like 20 percent. So it's like once the answers are out there, people can pick up on 'em. It's like we're all telepathically sharing our experiences.

-taken from waking life chapter 5

souls don't die with the body. they just replace bodies when their bodies die.

theres a calculation thats made. But its instant, however, if you must wait, you will because you have to.

if you have made -10000 karma points, you will be reincarnated as a starving child in Africa who will have to live his life to the best he can to come back to positive. If he somehow makes it into +1337 karma points, then when he dies, he will become me, and live a nice happy life with an option to live even better in the next.

However, if he has somehow made 1,000,000,00 karma points like Gandhi, he would have to wait a long long time, till the world evolves technologically for him to be reincarnated into a happy muthafucka. Because you see, as time improved, people are getting happier and happier, there was nobody nearly close to being as happy as us in 10,000 b.c.

Considering the infinity of time and the largeness of the universe, you could even be reincarnated in other planets, so maybe im wrong, maybe theres no waiting at all.

As far as breaking the cycle and entering nirvana, that my friend is one thing that cannot be explained until you experience it yourself, I believe Buddha accomplished it. =).

Stating that people who live a 'bad' life end up as starved Africans is bullshit.

I have always liked reincarnation... the thought of a endless cycle, always putting me to use.

But really, for op, to put my own theory on it I would hope it didn't exist at all.

The thought of me rebooting my brain, living another life in another body, with other parents, lovers, family, friends, makes me somewhat sad.

I always imagine, perhaps, life was to experience, so if this life I am a successful white male in suburbs. Die, wake up and I am a neglected, poor, black female...
Or perhaps you can choose which kind of life you would like to live.

All in all, dieing is kinda a bitch for me, I know some people are comfortable, but no one on this earth knows exactly whats going to happen.


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Also, it is said you are suppose to be in a cycle of life, to reach "nirvana" to some day escape this cycle...

Well for someone who thought about this.

What if I like where I am and don't want anything more?

Yes, and yes.

Free will is absolute.

Wow, after leaving 3 years ago because SotD shut down, it's interesting to come back and be a part of it again. Good to see people like Arms that I remember from those days.

Now, a couple questions about your certainty on this subject. What if the number of people wanting to come back exceeds the number of new lives available? Would there then be some sort of queue that spirits must stand in, waiting for their number to be called? If a human can only be reincarnated as a human that's a problem, but if you can be reincarnated as an animal that would probably balance out, since the number of animals diminishes as humans increase.

Wow, after leaving 3 years ago because SotD shut down, it's interesting to come back and be a part of it again. Good to see people like Arms that I remember from those days.

Now, a couple questions about your certainty on this subject. What if the number of people wanting to come back exceeds the number of new lives available? Would there then be some sort of queue that spirits must stand in, waiting for their number to be called? If a human can only be reincarnated as a human that's a problem, but if you can be reincarnated as an animal that would probably balance out, since the number of animals diminishes as humans increase.

Personally I imagine an infinite number of both souls and bodies/lives.

If so, I see no problem.

Now, a couple questions about your certainty on this subject. What if the number of people wanting to come back exceeds the number of new lives available? Would there then be some sort of queue that spirits must stand in, waiting for their number to be called? If a human can only be reincarnated as a human that's a problem, but if you can be reincarnated as an animal that would probably balance out, since the number of animals diminishes as humans increase.

IIRC we are all one, every soul is just a "branch" of "spirit"(God, the collective of everything I guess) and there's no limit to how many new souls can be created. When someone dies they can merge with spirit and stay there as long as they want/forever and time is just an illusion so it doesn't really matter. I think that's the gist of it.