yeah yeah, we all know, the 60's were some good times. the american culture was expanding their minds and bodies. it was a beautiful time to be alive, almost an american renascence. but now look at us, the american youth is too obsessed with MTV, the media has turned into the 4th wing of the government, and most people are totally unware of politics outside of CNN/FOX news. have we lost the ability to tell the government to fuck itself on an organized scale? what happened to love, peace, understand, and community? what happened to the celebrities standing for a cause instead of standing in front of the camera? where are the musicians who spoke of all the joyous things in life, instead of trying to rap/rock their way to the top of TRL?

i say we proud few start our own counter-revolution against apple, abercromibe and fitch, the governments opressing us, the media lying, coorperations fucking peoples lives over. i dont care if you flame the shit out of this thread, at least im trying to organize something important instead of insulting people behind a monitor, 90 cans of bawls, and a bag of cheetos.

How do you plan to do this? You have my number. tell me more.

Since when have people lost the ability to tell the government to fuck off?

The reason people are obsessed with Mtv and all that other garbage is because life is good. Most people have nothing to complain about.

What exactly is it that sucks about your life? Is it the nice house your parents provide you or the internet you use or the freedoms you enjoy?

You have nothing to be upset about. Go live in africa and then maybe someone will give a shit about your whining.

Whoa. A classic totse vacuous angst-rant is greeted by two sensible replies. Word motherfucking up.

Yeah, like the awesome, loving, peaceful hippie generation actually DID ANYTHING! For fucks sake, smoking pot and enjoying free love isn't 'subversive'. And all the people that believe this are just plain pop-culture vs. counter-culture dickheads that strive for being a little bit different from the average Joe, to rise above the waves of, what they call, the gray masses..

And they think they can do that by smoking pot, loving other people, disobeying rules, cheating and breaking laws. Yeah, it's so romantic, ain't it?

Hehe, just think, the counter-culture has been fighting for the past FOUR decades, hippies, punks, all that shit. FOUR FUCKING DECADES LATER, nothing is changed, nothing is beaten, nothing is won.

Haha, fuck you and your counter-revolutionary ideals damn dirty hippie. Go smoke pot with your friends and scheme about taking down The Man.

Since when have people lost the ability to tell the government to fuck off?

The reason people are obsessed with Mtv and all that other garbage is because life is good. Most people have nothing to complain about.

What exactly is it that sucks about your life? Is it the nice house your parents provide you or the internet you use or the freedoms you enjoy?

You have nothing to be upset about. Go live in africa and then maybe someone will give a shit about your whining.

Someone should give this man regular status.

+1 to you, good sir.

I always have wondered, I don't want to conform by wear AE or holister, but I don't know where to shop. Walmart is evil, but not name brand. hmm help?

Thrift shop.

How do you plan to do this? You have my number. tell me more.

my mom blocked my phone via verzion customer service :mad: shes a bitch, im 18, ill get a new fucking plan.

i really havent figured the kinks out. its like the rough draft of the Communist Mannifesto loljk. its gonna have to start grassroots, but using artists, musicians, celebrities (the intellegent ones), to change the coorperations, politicians, and bureatractic BS.

Since when have people lost the ability to tell the government to fuck off?

The reason people are obsessed with Mtv and all that other garbage is because life is good. Most people have nothing to complain about.

What exactly is it that sucks about your life? Is it the nice house your parents provide you or the internet you use or the freedoms you enjoy?

You have nothing to be upset about. Go live in africa and then maybe someone will give a shit about your whining.

hmm, so i protest, say, the iraq war. for 7 years. nothings been done. so is my voice really heard? fuck shorting timetables BS, the voice that is "absolute retreat" is silent in the halls of congress

so thats why teenagers are termed "depressed' or have a million other disorders, pregnancy rates, and other shit that other generations never really had to deal with? lifes not that perfect, even if you live in a nice house with plenty to eat and a great job.

fuck my parents. they believe that i owe them shit for rasing me. its the same idea as the government. the people dont owe the government shit, the people are the government. wifi + laptop = free internet. i learn from the internet and use it positively because im thankful for it.

i dont have to live in a 3rd world country to complain and voice my idea of a revolution. if i dont like whats going on, i can try to change it. you dont think those "naggers" liked sitting around taking everyones bullshit? no they did something. ghandi didnt sit on his ass all day and fast for fun.

Yeah, like the awesome, loving, peaceful hippie generation actually DID ANYTHING! For fucks sake, smoking pot and enjoying free love isn't 'subversive'. And all the people that believe this are just plain pop-culture vs. counter-culture dickheads that strive for being a little bit different from the average Joe, to rise above the waves of, what they call, the gray masses..

And they think they can do that by smoking pot, loving other people, disobeying rules, cheating and breaking laws. Yeah, it's so romantic, ain't it?

Hehe, just think, the counter-culture has been fighting for the past FOUR decades, hippies, punks, all that shit. FOUR FUCKING DECADES LATER, nothing is changed, nothing is beaten, nothing is won.

Haha, fuck you and your counter-revolutionary ideals damn dirty hippie. Go smoke pot with your friends and scheme about taking down The Man.

they had ideas, they tried to do a FEW things, but most of them were listeners, not thinkers. their needs to be more free-willed, opinioned thinkers this time. who cares if they used drugs to alter their minds? everyone does it, so dont blame drugs as a failure to do something, or youd be calling yourself a failure (if you do infact do drugs). i will not be catorgized as a "pop-culutre" or "counterculture" thinker. youre generalizing my opinion of how i think things are run versus how they should be.

it was a test to become more "human" agian. we are too automated and biologically enigineered to fit in and think the same, and they opened their minds and thought otherwise. rules are meant to be broken. laws are too bent towards helping the greedy, and less towards helping the helpless. laws also control too much of our freedoms and spirt. i should be able to do what i want, live where i want, eat, smoke, drink whatever i choose, and read, listen to, or watch wahtever media i like. its that fucking simple, everyone wants that. but the government is too afraid of loosing control over the only thing that they need to survivie, citizens. thats why they set unfair and harsh laws against us, hide/lie to us about their actions, and have a finger or 3 in everything we do, on a daily basis. its not for our safety, thats BS.

It was already pointed out by Freud that man has to choose between freedom and society. For people to live in groups, there must exist a society, and a society needs rules. And somebody to enforce them. That's why we have cues at shops and not everyone trying to cheat there way into the front. Yes, it takes time to wait for your turn, but that way we avoid chaos and even more time wasting. Thus, laws and regulations are needed, but which are good or bad is hard to make out. This is where the fight should be. You're model of doing whatever and whenever You want is antisocial, that would halt any progress and we can't have that. Why? Because we'd plunge back into the primitive along with taking a couple billion lives (yes, technological advancement already holds us hostage, if we disengage from the tech-race then millions die of hunger, dehydrations and stuff like that). And living any sort of primitive life isn't salvation, believe me. Laptop + Wifi isn't the Internet. You need hotspots, somebody to link them and take care of them. Look to the hippie communes of the 60's. All were made with a grand idea in everyones mind, yet they all fell. They made the huge mistake that collective needs would become individual needs. But everyone is lazy and everyone will hold back with doing anything. That way, nothing is usually accomplished, no matter how 'thinking' you get a group.

I agree with You that there are many unjust laws and regulations, but I say to change them, not bring down the whole machine. I also have nothing against drugs, except that they be seen as 'subversive' or 'revolutionary', which is bullshit also created by the media and widely accepted by todays 'rebellious youth'.

Maybe the thing is that despite all the luxury shit we have, we don't seem to be getting any happier? From there on rushes the urge to alternative stuff, try alternative medicine and shit like that, all fueling the consumerism. It's all supply and demand.

I had ideas just like You some time ago, but then I thought I should stand on the side and seek out weak spots in such thinking. And to my surprise and dismay, I've found some, then did some research and reading, and found shitloads of more. And I know how hard it is to lose some views you've held sacred for most of your life. It's still hard for me now, and I still don't understand a few things, but I sure am trying to figure them out, things like WHY is there a demand for shitty emo music or shitty pop music? This seems like numbing the masses into buying shitty plastic stuff, but maybe it's thinking that since I like metal, it's the best music, and so it's best for everyone, and so people who listen to mainstream pop must be brainwashed... Maybe they're just as satisfied with their music as I'm with mine. But why do love reading, discussing, thinking, researching and most pop music listeners hate that stuff and all they want is to party? Maybe it's their view of how life should be? Maybe is their view about nonconformity? And EVERYONE wants to stand out, so that would make sense, why people see other people as part of the masses and see themselves as standing out, but ONLY from THEIR point of view.

Yeah, like the awesome, loving, peaceful hippie generation actually DID ANYTHING! For fucks sake, smoking pot and enjoying free love isn't 'subversive'. And all the people that believe this are just plain pop-culture vs. counter-culture dickheads that strive for being a little bit different from the average Joe, to rise above the waves of, what they call, the gray masses..

And they think they can do that by smoking pot, loving other people, disobeying rules, cheating and breaking laws. Yeah, it's so romantic, ain't it?

Hehe, just think, the counter-culture has been fighting for the past FOUR decades, hippies, punks, all that shit. FOUR FUCKING DECADES LATER, nothing is changed, nothing is beaten, nothing is won.

Haha, fuck you and your counter-revolutionary ideals damn dirty hippie. Go smoke pot with your friends and scheme about taking down The Man.


The Civil Rights movement, women in the work place, gay rights, the invention of the birth control pill, the impeachment of a corrupt president, the first major protest of a war/large government action, arguably the greatest era of music produced since the classical greats, the introduction of a number of mind altering substances which subsequently caused the government to spend billions of dollars and necessitate the implementation of federal agencies in specific response

yeah those damn lazy hippies never got anything done....

I'd be interested if you had an actual organized structure and a specific goal in mind. I think that grassroots organizations when positioned correctly have the ability to ascertain a great deal of power, but a number of factors are key in attaining this. And since it is your idea the burden falls upon you.

The Civil Right movement wasn't fought with sex and drugs and other subversive tools of the trade. Feminism went overboard and bought down the image of a woman as a woman and a keeper of the home into an image of a cheap-fuck-buddy (c'mon, how many people respect women nowadays? It's all about being 'equal', so I see that women actually got off worse than they started). The pill was invented in 1951 by a beaner and only introduced into the USA in 1960. The gays got their rights, yet again, by not smoking weed and having sex all day. Making the government, meaning the tax payers, invest billions of dollars into anti-drug operations, yeah, that's soooo goooood. Hell, drugs are fun, but I don't see anything revolutionary in them, except that you're breaking the law, fighting the man, meaning you're getting stoned in your mom's basement. And failure of the communes...

Do You know why and apartment in downtown New York is fucking expensive? Because it offers distinction. Yeah, it offers non conformism. On that example, do you people believe that people want to be squares? That the only way to be free is to journey down the river of non conformism? Hell no, everybody wants distinction, everyone wants to stand out, EVERYONE. Buying a studded leather jacket isn't anti-authoritarian, it's telling everybody that you're in the cool club, that you're better than everyone else. Now, mohawks told that you're a cool mofo, but when it went mainstream, it stopped offering distinction, you weren't cool with a mohawk, hell, store cops stopped following you around 'cause they thought that you're a nice white kid that just went with the flow. No distinction, no cool, no reason to continue being a punk.
i say we proud few

Yep, you're/we're better than all the rest, the elite club of thinking, working, creating individuals.

the american culture was expanding their minds and bodies. it was a beautiful time

It was a fun time, I agree, but not necessarily beautiful. I do appreciate those times and those things that they achieved, don't think otherwise, but I just want to point to the fact that counter-culture is a failure on a grand scale. We live inside a huge system. Why take it down? Why not fix it? Not by taking away shitty magazines and shitty pop music (it's hard for me to advocate this, because I really think that they're total shit and should be wiped out, but I can't infringe on peoples freedom and take away what makes them happy) but by getting rid of fucked up laws and introducing better ones. Smoking pot isn't going to get us there. And along the way, who knows, maybe we would evolve our current government into something more plausible?

I really like the concept of anarchy, but it just can't be real. Minimal laws and regulations must exist in order for people to communicate and live effectively. Now, figuring out what laws are just and what are unjust is hard, fixing them is even harder. But you gotta start somewhere.

there is nothing new under the sun... what has come once, will come again. history goes up and down, but always returns. wait for it. behind what we assume randomness and chaos is a firm order and structure. there is no vestige of beginning, no prospect of an end, when we all disintegrate it'll all happen again. kingdoms rise, fall and are replaced by similar ones. in the next 20 years, there will be another genuine counterculture. and it will last for 10-15 years, go away for 20, then come back, then go away, then come back, for ever and ever as long is man is as he is now. mankind is a tragedy where the scenes merely repeat themselves for eternity with different actors dressed differently playing the same roles.

Dude....im down. PM me
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ill do stuff

Dude....im down. PM me
lol
ill do stuff

Lol, don't trust him, he'll tip the pigs and they'll come down on you like the vultures they are.

there is nothing new under the sun... what has come once, will come again. history goes up and down, but always returns. wait for it. behind what we assume randomness and chaos is a firm order and structure. there is no vestige of beginning, no prospect of an end, when we all disintegrate it'll all happen again. kingdoms rise, fall and are replaced by similar ones. in the next 20 years, there will be another genuine counterculture. and it will last for 10-15 years, go away for 20, then come back, then go away, then come back, for ever and ever as long is man is as he is now. mankind is a tragedy where the scenes merely repeat themselves for eternity with different actors dressed differently playing the same roles.

Or maybe it goes on in faster cycles? Look at punks, the same thing happened to them. They offered distinction, a way of not being a square. They promised not to sell out. Just as rappers, rockers, grunger, emo. They all promise of being elite, better. When more and more people join their club (ie. the shit becomes mainstream), it no longer offers the distinction and leetness. It stops being good. It stops selling.