View Full Version : Transhumanist perfection, upheaval of social Darwinism.
Was thinking about something last night. Imagining a future in which our biology is seamlessly and ubiquitously merged with our technology. Our brains having the massively parallel property that they do, but enhanced with the speed and accuracy of nonbiological computers.
Then I thought: that has to result in a huge change in the way we do behavioral judgement. The way we choose people is dramatically altered. Like, with presidency. We have two presidents that have a perfect attitude, and perfect logic, make perfect decisions. How do we choose between the two?
That's all assuming that it's an entirely level playing field. Which ultimately may be the case, but initially there would be an obvious gradient in computational perfection. Just thinking on absolute terms here.
Is the way we choose and judge people an intrinsic property of mankind and if they become irrelevant would it make an argument for relinquishing our bio-tech progress?
Sex Panther
2008-08-06, 02:53
Eh, put simply, i don't think simple, purely biological impulses will ever become irrelevant, despite the massive advances in bionic engineering to come.
If, as you say, we have to vote between two genetically "perfect" individuals, chances are it would all boil down to biological impulses. I.E, we would perhaps unconsciously vote for the president who seems more attractive to a certain demographic, or the most charismatic one.
I'm pretty sure no amount of biomimetics could enhance someone's charisma.
Talking out of my ass here though. I'm more of chemistry boy myself.
Eh, put simply, i don't think simple, purely biological impulses will ever become irrelevant, despite the massive advances in bionic engineering to come.
If, as you say, we have to vote between two genetically "perfect" individuals, chances are it would all boil down to biological impulses. I.E, we would perhaps unconsciously vote for the president who seems more attractive to a certain demographic, or the most charismatic one.
I'm pretty sure no amount of biomimetics could enhance someone's charisma.
Talking out of my ass here though. I'm more of chemistry boy myself.
Well theoretically technology can enhance any of our biological processes. The only difficulty with the neuro side of things is in maping the brain regions responsible for a given characteristic. I think it'll ultimately be possible.
In my imaginary future, what you said about biological impulses would be correct. That might've been the upheaval of how we choose that I was describing.
Prometheus
2008-08-15, 15:49
I don't see that happening for a different reason. And that is that perfection is impossible. There is always room for interpretation, and there is always the possibility of mutually exclusive goals cropping up. In your hypothetical presidential scenario, we'd run into the same sort of stuff we've always run into. The people with money will vote for the candidate that helps them keep it, and the people without will vote for the one that wants to spread it around. Of course that's a gross simplification.
Everyone uses personal observations and experiences as at least a partial basis for what they do. May we eventually choose to weigh these elements differently in the future? Of course, but we, as a society, are constantly changing our values, and individuals vary far more.
In a nutshell, yeah, augmentation of the human mind/body it will make a difference to our personal outlooks, but so many other things do that what's one more? And we'll still be individuals with individual lives.
Genetics will always play a role, no matter what. There is internal human factor in all of us that would have to be erased for two canidates like that. Neuroses and their psychodynamic causes wiped out by computers, for example. That individuality would have to be taken care of.
Also, did you consider morals? Despite the fact they all have perfect attitudes and logic, maybe one has an emotional disposition for honest democracy (as opposed to his oppenent, the cold humanoid sociopathic antagonist).
Plus, there is always perception. Humans (according to the psychology book I'm reading, can you tell?) base their behavior off of their perception of reality, or rather their own unique distortion of it. With a human brain, even enhanced by computers, that's just how it has to work. So, there's another source of individuality and judgement of others.
Sorry, I'm rambling. I think that socially, there would be dramatic change, like a class system based one's processing power maybe, but essentially, we'll all still be human, just not 100%. I guess it's not a bad thing, but a vision like yours would definitely should somone reconsider fucking with their own consciousness. Interesting thread.