View Full Version : Seperating Pseudo from cold and flu meds + Is pseudo suitable?
disobey_the_norm
2008-08-14, 01:48
Hello,
So if someone wanted to seperate pseudoephedrine hydrochloride from pills that contain
#1 Paracetamol and codeine
#2 Paracetamol and Chloropheniramine maleate
^ One is night caps and the other day caps obviously.
For someone just wanting to make up a batch of cat, could they do it from seperating the men from the boys (pseudo from paracetamol) and would pseudo work in place of ephedrine?
And yes...this is surely basic stuff I should know and I should research but for now I'm just asking for the quick answers.
Thanks
For someone just wanting to make up a batch of cat...
Yes?
could they do it from seperating the men from the boys (pseudo from paracetamol)
Why, no. You'd actually have to oxidize it.
and would pseudo work in place of ephedrine?
If you don't have a guess, you should seriously read more before picking up a test tube.
Yes. Oxidizing an alcohol to a ketone will oxidize an alcohol to a ketone.
So if someone wanted to seperate pseudoephedrine hydrochloride from pills that contain
#1 Paracetamol and codeine
#2 Paracetamol and Chloropheniramine maleate
That is not the entirety of what they contain.
OTOH, no one in the US says "paracetamol." Which means you're already ahead of most people.
Regarding said paracetamol, I suggest looking into a CWE. Regarding the codeine, I suggest looking into the solubility of opiates in anhydrous acetone.
It might even be helpful, for all I know.
blacklung
2008-08-14, 09:56
And yes...this is surely basic stuff I should know and I should research but for now I'm just asking for the quick answers.
Yes, you are absolutely right; it is basic stuff, and although anyone who actually is knowledgeable does understand your ignorance, I am absolutely sure that we would all agree that you are correct in that you really should research it yourself. There is no time constraint - I am almost definite, so for now it would be wise to scour through known websites to become more knowledgeable about your situation, and get the long answers.
Philosophically, you are in an intellectual conundrum if you search for the quick answers in life. You see, your quick answers will only lead you to the wrong answers, since only the easy answers can be explained so simply and with so little evidence. There is a book you may want to advise from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan. It should address your improper need for fast answers, instead of the appropriate need to mentally lead yourself into a uniform learning structure.
disobey_the_norm
2008-08-14, 22:56
Yes, you are absolutely right; it is basic stuff, and although anyone who actually is knowledgeable does understand your ignorance, I am absolutely sure that we would all agree that you are correct in that you really should research it yourself. There is no time constraint - I am almost definite, so for now it would be wise to scour through known websites to become more knowledgeable about your situation, and get the long answers.
Philosophically, you are in an intellectual conundrum if you search for the quick answers in life. You see, your quick answers will only lead you to the wrong answers, since only the easy answers can be explained so simply and with so little evidence. There is a book you may want to advise from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan. It should address your improper need for fast answers, instead of the appropriate need to mentally lead yourself into a uniform learning structure.
I think the guy works three jobs and does college on the side, so excuse the guy if he wants answers from someone that may already have them than to waste more of his life.
I'll show him the book, he'll probably respond by writing his own on his situation and how quick answers are...answers. You just need trust in the people that give them to you. For his situation...I think trusting some guys I asked is more safe than the shit he gets off the streets mmyes?
stupid noob
2008-08-15, 01:10
I think the guy works three jobs and does college on the side, so excuse the guy if he wants answers from someone that may already have them than to waste more of his life.
I'll show him the book, he'll probably respond by writing his own on his situation and how quick answers are...answers. You just need trust in the people that give them to you. For his situation...I think trusting some guys I asked is more safe than the shit he gets off the streets mmyes?
I would think that he is wasting his life by working three jobs, not by doing a few hours of research. One dedicated session of a few hours is plenty of time to to get a much clearer idea of whats what. It's not a matter of time constraint, it's a matter of drive.
If you don't care enough to put in the time needed to fully understand what is going on, you are going to fail. Quick answers, as stated above, are quick because they don't cover everything, and in subjects as important as this, leaving out one small detail, or overlooking one tiny thing can have terrible consequences ranging from wasted product and money, to fire, explosion, chemical exposure, and even death, not to mention the legal ramifications that come from something as simple as venting fumes wrong, or letting vapors fly willy nilly, attracting the WRONG kind of attention.
You want something fast, and easy, with quick answers, pick a different goal, because this is only going to get you maimed/killed/imprisoned.
disobey_the_norm
2008-08-15, 02:56
I would think that he is wasting his life by working three jobs, not by doing a few hours of research. One dedicated session of a few hours is plenty of time to to get a much clearer idea of whats what. It's not a matter of time constraint, it's a matter of drive.
If you don't care enough to put in the time needed to fully understand what is going on, you are going to fail. Quick answers, as stated above, are quick because they don't cover everything, and in subjects as important as this, leaving out one small detail, or overlooking one tiny thing can have terrible consequences ranging from wasted product and money, to fire, explosion, chemical exposure, and even death, not to mention the legal ramifications that come from something as simple as venting fumes wrong, or letting vapors fly willy nilly, attracting the WRONG kind of attention.
You want something fast, and easy, with quick answers, pick a different goal, because this is only going to get you maimed/killed/imprisoned.
Bravo, good job elevating your self importance by talking up something you can do.
I'm going to be an asshole by pointing out, that you could just tell me...and I'd know it. The things I do which I was taught how to do in 5mins...you might not want to know if you think wasting time sifting good info from bad is time well spent and has a different outcome at the end. :)
Edit: And haven't I seen you in the tech forums at least once seeking quick, easy and good help? Sure you don't think that is important enough to spend time figuring out yourself...Great mod ;) You really helped me by providing a talk up of yourself, well deserved. Any more torrents you talked up as being rare or stories to tell about your junkie mother cause I'm keen to hear you talk some more...it's what you're good at afterall
stupid noob
2008-08-15, 03:57
Ah, yes, the tech forums. Now tell me, if you fuck something up with say, a computer, or other electronic device, will it emit toxic fumes, burn you, start large out of control fires, or explode? Will a mistake with anything related to any of MY questions end up in my incarceration?
Fuck no.
I never said easy answers are bad for EVERY subject, but when a mistake can mean your safety or freedom, yeah, I think it's a bit more important to devote some time to it you smart ass little shit. I wasn't trying to be a dick to you in my first post, I was trying to get you to realize that you aren't just baking a fucking cake, but just like the anxious impatient teeny bopper you are, you take offense to everything, and then have to fucking pout about it like a little bitch.
I was trying to fucking help you, which is why I left the thread open. If I wanted to be a dick to you, and thought your question wasn't valid, I could have simply locked it, or sent it to the new NIMF Jeff recently added.
I don't want you to NOT know the answers, idiot, I just want you to understand a bit of the importance of knowing what the fuck is going on.
See, this is why the MA content has gone down. Eventually all the idiots who are asking about pills either advance, or die off. You either pull your head out of your ass, or you fail. It's as simple as that. And I will leave this open, just in case someone actually wants to take time out of their day to do YOUR fucking work.
disobey_the_norm
2008-08-15, 06:17
Ah, yes, the tech forums. Now tell me, if you fuck something up with say, a computer, or other electronic device, will it emit toxic fumes, burn you, start large out of control fires, or explode? Will a mistake with anything related to any of MY questions end up in my incarceration?
Fuck no.
I never said easy answers are bad for EVERY subject, but when a mistake can mean your safety or freedom, yeah, I think it's a bit more important to devote some time to it you smart ass little shit. I wasn't trying to be a dick to you in my first post, I was trying to get you to realize that you aren't just baking a fucking cake, but just like the anxious impatient teeny bopper you are, you take offense to everything, and then have to fucking pout about it like a little bitch.
I was trying to fucking help you, which is why I left the thread open. If I wanted to be a dick to you, and thought your question wasn't valid, I could have simply locked it, or sent it to the new NIMF Jeff recently added.
I don't want you to NOT know the answers, idiot, I just want you to understand a bit of the importance of knowing what the fuck is going on.
See, this is why the MA content has gone down. Eventually all the idiots who are asking about pills either advance, or die off. You either pull your head out of your ass, or you fail. It's as simple as that. And I will leave this open, just in case someone actually wants to take time out of their day to do YOUR fucking work.
I think this is one of those face palm moments...you wanted a quick answer (like I did...you derailed this thread like the true troll you are) without the ifs or buts and other insignificant crap. Did you get the answer or were you left empty like I was when someone there suggested you google your problem or read the manual...lol
And as for...
-Toxic fumes...depends what you get from the toxicology report I guess, do people still use lead solder? Do people still smell that 'electrical smell' when something overheats and dies?
-Yes you can burn yourself on computer equipment, maybe figure out how hot a CPU gets without a fan, heatsink and when it is overclocked...you love research you can figure it out...
- ...And I'm sure if the Matrix knew what some of us were doing, we would be in trouble with the law.
I want the answers and I asked for them, where are they? In a book, on a website..whatever, you SAY you know so why not cut the shit and say? I ask the question, you answer it, reproduce it if you don't know but want to look like you do for all I care. Get it?
You didn't try to be a dick...as you say anyhow, but that's what you are so yeah, you don't need to try.
And if I ask how to make a cake I expect someone to give instructions not tell me to appreciate where the ingredients came from, that's not going to increase my satisfaction no matter how much you may disagree and either way at the end of it I'm going to get what I want.
If you're not going to help can you point me to someone that will? And you think saying what you did was any form of help, you are wrong. I asked for something, you didn't or couldn't deliever. This is your short coming and your failing and "not to be a dick about it" you're nothing if you're not going to answer it as I asked which means you're useless and don't deserve that little mod status of yours.
You're not doing much are you?
I'm sure I'll notice this has been locked, deleted or moved so yeah...you're the opposite of a decent person (read: you're shit, no one likes you and by the looks of it you'll never change)
ding ding ding? What do I win for being right? How about you fuck off this forum?
stupid noob
2008-08-15, 09:53
Is it really so hard to just read the back of the pill box and then look up the MSDS and physical properties of every chemical listed, and then devise a custom extraction from there? Any answer someone gives you is NOT going to be quick and simple you fucking child, it's not as simple as add this filter that etc. It is all dependent on what ELSE is in the pill. And you didn't even bother to post the inactives of the pill, so it's fucking impossible for ANYONE to give you a proper answer because you didn't give enough fucking detail.
That's what happens when you get in a hurry, you fuck shit up.
As for your rationalization of the dangers of computer technology, what a fucking joke. A hot CPU is nothing compared to a runaway reaction, or explosion, or toxic fume evolution, and The Matrix? Grow the fuck up.
How ya gonna tell me to fuck off from the forum that I mod? lol@u
Shifftee
2008-08-15, 13:20
Yes?
Why, no. You'd actually have to oxidize it.
If you don't have a guess, you should seriously read more before picking up a test tube.
Yes. Oxidizing an alcohol to a ketone will oxidize an alcohol to a ketone.
That is not the entirety of what they contain.
OTOH, no one in the US says "paracetamol." Which means you're already ahead of most people.
Regarding said paracetamol, I suggest looking into a CWE. Regarding the codeine, I suggest looking into the solubility of opiates in anhydrous acetone.
It might even be helpful, for all I know.
Come on, dude.. CWE ? A dancing ferret in my dreams tried this many times, but results were pathetic (thou' he did get a very small amount of some pretty dirty pseudo) It was a total waste of money and time. See, the fuckers over at wetdreams have a better idea.. stb3.. and the dancing ferret in my dreams is trying a waterless a/b (with many acetone soaks to get rid of the apap.. thou he fears his yield will suffer from mechanical loss and water in the supposed-to-be-dry tone). But I guess you have to persist and analyze your mistakes in this sort of activity. I'm sure the ferret will sooner or later figure it out and make up for the money he lost..
BTW, it is in the ferret's understanding that apap is pretty bad for the rp/i rxn, and CWE with no doubt leaves SOME amount of apap in the PSE.
Seriously, look at wet dreams.. there are dozens of threads on the subject. (for pills with apap)
Edit: whoops, sorry.. the dude wanted to make kat.. well I'm sure contaminats won't help anywayz
Kinda funny really...
The OP wanted "quick answers", so much so that instead of picking up Joe's reply, (containing all of the aformentioned answers, as well as being posted mere minutes after the orginal post and a full 7 hours before the next reply), he decided to get into a cat fight over the whys and wherefores with SN.
Oh well, no skin off my nuts...
Shifftee
2008-08-15, 15:17
He just doesn't understand that the "quick" answers are of little value for his goals and could not possibly estimate the risks involved in the route to his goals, if he doesn't have the proper knowledge. I don't think he's to blame for that. I think he should've taken the advice of the more experienced members and not interpret them as bitching.
Blacklung and stupid noob pretty much said it.. ignorance and chemistry is a bad combination. It can damage your health. It can kill you. And for the \type\ of chemistry we're talking about here.. it can send you to fucking jail. Quick answers = walking of thin ice.
I want the answers and I asked for them, where are they? In a book, on a website..whatever, you SAY you know so why not cut the shit and say? I ask the question, you answer it, reproduce it if you don't know but want to look like you do for all I care. Get it?
either way at the end of it I'm going to get what I want.
If you're not going to help can you point me to someone that will?
You're not doing much are you?
ding ding ding? What do I win for being right? How about you fuck off this forum?
Wow!
Well done!
ding ding ding !! You're the most worthless prick on the forum!
You want to know something? Go ask someone who gives a fuck!
But remember, because you are the way you are, sooner or later all those people will have gone.
stateofhack
2008-08-15, 16:24
So the point of this thread...oh and OP is a fuck tard for not researching, there are tons of info on what he is searching for btw.
cartmanblue
2008-08-16, 01:30
Yeah you can extract it, but it's a pain in the ass and not really worth it unless it's your only source of pseudo. Be sure to clean the fuck out of the percipitate once it's all ready to go.
Save the codiene, too. ;)
disobey_the_norm
2008-08-16, 06:56
Kinda funny really...
The OP wanted "quick answers", so much so that instead of picking up Joe's reply, (containing all of the aformentioned answers, as well as being posted mere minutes after the orginal post and a full 7 hours before the next reply), he decided to get into a cat fight over the whys and wherefores with SN.
Oh well, no skin off my nuts...
Bullshit. Joes reply had a lot of if's but's maybes and even a 'for all I know it 'could' work' thrown in for good measure. I want the answer and nothing less.
For a lot of well rounded and researched people *cough* you sure can't answer a straight-forward question can you?
Do any of you go to school? haha I ask a question and get a question in reply? Awesome.
stupid noob
2008-08-16, 07:08
Well since you don't seem to appreciate the answer you were given, and all you are going to do is BITCH like a fucking pussy instead of actually putting in a modicum of effort by at least posting the inactives, I am locking this useless shit.
Like I said, NO ONE can give you THE answer, because NO ONE knows WHAT THE FUCK else are in your pills you ignorant little fuck.
I suggest you keep your impatient trisomic ass the fuck out of this forum until you learn how to properly behave.
Take your ignorant bullshit to rotten eggs, bombshock, or Bad Ideas, it isn't welcome here. This is not a fucking answering service, we do not get paid to sit here and spoon feed little motherfuckers like you answers to complex illegal clandestine chemistry questions.
You want an answer? Try www.chacha.com they have people who will do your research for you. Stay the fuck out of here until you can at least answer the questions you are asked, because they are only asked so that you may be given a more clear answer.