The universe is without truth,
Without a basis, without God,
Produced by mutual union,
With lust for cause–what else? they say"

BHAGVADGITA 16:8

I highly recommend people to read 16th chapter of bhagvadgita.

Bhagvadgita..... thats hindu right?

I've wanted to get that book but I don't know where to find it.

Think Borders has it?

The universe is without truth,
Without a basis, without God,
Produced by mutual union,
With lust for cause–what else? they say"

BHAGVADGITA 16:8

The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists. If the universe is without truth...that means your book, its word, the human who wrote it is without truth.

So "Produced by a mutual union, With lust for a cause" is also without truth...

To sum it up...your book is fucking nonsense.

The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists. If the universe is without truth...that means your book, its word, the human who wrote it is without truth.

So "Produced by a mutual union, With lust for a cause" is also without truth...

To sum it up...your book is fucking nonsense.

True.

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"The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists. If the universe is without truth...that means your book, its word, the human who wrote it is without truth.

So "Produced by a mutual union, With lust for a cause" is also without truth...

To sum it up...your book is fucking nonsense. "


No its not "fucking nonsense" because, vishnu himself in the form of krishna has told those words. If universe doesnt have GOD, then that doesnt mean GOD cant come into the universe and preach humans.

All in all, iam our scriptures are not fucking nonsense, may be u are.

No its not "fucking nonsense" because, vishnu himself in the form of krishna has told those words. If universe doesnt have GOD, then that doesnt mean GOD cant come into the universe and preach humans.

All in all, iam our scriptures are not fucking nonsense, may be u are.

Oh I am sorry, Vishnu came in the form of Krishna and preached these words to humans.

Why didn't you say so? That doesn't seem like fantasyland nonsense to me. That completely destroyed my logically determining your book to be nonsense...

Let me fucking spell it out for you in a highly simple syllogism...

P1: Universe is without truth.

P2: The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists.

P3: Your book physically exists.

C: Your book is without truth.

Tell me how my logic is flawed...tell me how the premises are invalid. Please show me how my conclusion could be invalid.

No? Then accept your book as being fucking nonsense.

Oh I am sorry, Vishnu came in the form of Krishna and preached these words to humans.

Why didn't you say so? That doesn't seem like fantasyland nonsense to me. That completely destroyed my logically determining your book to be nonsense...

Let me fucking spell it out for you in a highly simple syllogism...

P1: Universe is without truth.

P2: The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists.

P3: Your book physically exists.

C: Your book is without truth.

Tell me how my logic is flawed...tell me how the premises are invalid. Please show me how my conclusion could be invalid.

No? Then accept your book as being fucking nonsense.

Bwahahahaha. Though BP and I are usually on the same page, I often find him vile and abrasive in his approach, but this is just funny. Owned. For the second time...
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Oh I am sorry, Vishnu came in the form of Krishna and preached these words to humans.

Why didn't you say so? That doesn't seem like fantasyland nonsense to me. That completely destroyed my logically determining your book to be nonsense...

Let me fucking spell it out for you in a highly simple syllogism...

P1: Universe is without truth.

P2: The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists.

P3: Your book physically exists.

C: Your book is without truth.

Tell me how my logic is flawed...tell me how the premises are invalid. Please show me how my conclusion could be invalid.

No? Then accept your book as being fucking nonsense.


Ohhh, iam so scared by ur comments Mr. internet tough guy.

I didnt think people were so dumb on totse. But i guess you are an exception i guess.

here boy, let me make this simple for you.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)


1) The universe is without truth.

2) Universe is defined by everything that PHYSICALLY EXISTS and also our BOOK

3) But the word of GOD expressed in our BOOK though is in a PHYSICAL state, but when you see and read it, you grasp the "word of god" which is NOT in physical STATE and which MAY/MAY NOT be in a OUR PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

note: there is no proof that how can a human thought is produced and where it gets destroyed. Our thoughts may be created in this universe or NOT.

may be this is some advanced stuff for you right here. But think about it.

But the book is still part of the universe, whether or not the word was beyond the universe at sometime, it still is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_paradox

But the word of GOD expressed in our BOOK though is in a PHYSICAL state, but when you see and read it, you grasp the "word of god" which is NOT in physical STATE and which MAY/MAY NOT be in a OUR PHYSICAL UNIVERSE.

Let us do an experiment to find out if the brains ability to "grasp" things is grounded in the physical universe...

Take a sharp physical object and go poking aroung your physical brain with it.

Now try to grasp, some simple math concepts......

Having problems? Too much drool on your calculator? That is b/c you scrambled your brain. You cannot grasp anything now.

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The results of this simple experiment for simple bitches will prove whether or not, a person grasps the word of god in the physical universe or in your fantasyland.

Your book...is still...fucking nonsense.

[The universe is without truth,
Without a basis, without God,
Produced by mutual union,
With lust for cause–what else? They say"

BHAGVADGITA 16:8

One verse out of context makes for a mass of confusion, as the replies to this thread show. Some people are not interested in the truth, just in running others down to prop up their egos thru vapid delusional victories. The "blind leading the blind"!

Bhagvad Gita CHAPTER 16:7 - The demonic know not the right path of action or when to refrain from action. They lack the purity and truth and proper conduct. (8) They say: "The world has no moral foundation, no abiding truth, no God or Ruler; produced not by systematic causal order, its sole purpose is lustful desire -- what else?" (9)With their feeble intellects, such ruined men cling to their erroneous beliefs and commit many atrocities. They are enemies of the world bent on it's destruction.(10) Abandoned to insatiable longings, full of dissimulation, self conceit, and insolence, possessing evil ideas thru delusion, all their actions are impurely motivated. (11) Believing that the fulfillment of bodily desires is man's highest aim, confident that this world is 'all', such persons are engrossed till the moment of death in earthly cares and concerns. (12) Bound by hundreds of fetters of selfish hopes and expectations, enslaved by wrath and passion, they strive to provide for physical enjoyments by amassing wealth dishonestly. (13) "This I have acquired today; now another desire I shall satisfy. This is my present wealth; however, more shall also be mine." (14)"I have killed this enemy; and others also will I slay. I am the ruler among men; I enjoy all possessions; I am successful, strong, and happy." (15) "I am rich and well-born; can any other be compared with me? Ostentatiously I will give my alms and make formal sacrifices; I will rejoice." Thus they speak, led astray by lack of wisdom. (16) Harboring bewildering thoughts, caught in a net of delusion, craving only sensual delights, they sink into a foul hell. (17) Vain, stubborn, intoxicated by pride in wealth, they perform the sacrifices hypocritically and without following scriptural injunctions. (18) Egotistical, forceful, haughty, lascivious, and prone to rage, these malicious men despise Me who dwells within them and all other men.

The above is from Yogananda's translation, he offers the following commentary:
THE DEEPLY DELUDED INDIVIDUAL, addicted to his false convictions and self serving ambitions, establishes his colossal ego as an idol on the altar of lust for power, possession, and sensual gratification. Thus does he become wholly engaged in self-worship. deifying himself, his myopic vision has no scope for the perception of God and truth. Though he ornament his ego-shrine with hypocritical portrayals of righteousness and ostentatious displays of charity, his misdeeds, his greed, and his quickness to anger at any frustrated wish reveal his would-be hidden motivations.
Sounds familiar ... yes you know who you are;)

Thank you redzed for presenting the verse in context. Also, I very much like the commentary.

honestly, I can still see truth in the original post. but like it's said, "the right person with the wrong means will still find the truth, but the wrong person will never find the truth with all the right means."

Every religion contains a section where it mind fucks the believers by saying that everyone who criticizes or goes against the religion is unable to understand or is working for the devil, or some other crap. Unless you're retarded, you know they say this so believers won't listener to opposition, thus protecting the religion. Considering how many religions say the same crap, many of them, If not all, have to be complete bullshit. Your religion must be the correct one cause you and your infinite wisdom believe.

Thank you redzed for presenting the verse in context. Also, I very much like the commentary.

He didn't put the verse in context you sheep.

I don't see how you can delude yourself into thinking propagandist bullshit attacking those who disagree puts the verse in context. That is all he posted. What the fuck did you read?

Your religion is actively making you more stupid.

One verse out of context makes for a mass of confusion, as the replies to this thread show. Some people are not interested in the truth, just in running others down to prop up their egos thru vapid delusional victories. The "blind leading the blind"!

The above is from Yogananda's translation, he offers the following commentary:

Sounds familiar ... yes you know who you are;)

The entire verse still does nothing to my simple syllogism that proves what fucking nonsense it is...

P1: Universe is without truth.
P2: The Universe is defined as everything that physically exists.
P3: Your book physically exists.
C: Your book is without truth.

Your entire post seems to be nothing more than an ad hominem attack that goes so far as to assume I must think I am a God, because I think your book is bullshit. This is a fallacy...read below carefully as you seem to be incapable of grasping this......

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Even if I did think myself a God, were a slave to my ego, and even cannibalized infants....the logic in my syllogism still stands..

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You ended with some commentary I am sure you feel put things in persepective.....allow me to offer a quote I feel TRULY puts it in perspective......

"Some dumb fucks just cannot grasp simple, simple logic and commit argumentative fallacies in an attempt to cope with it"

-Brokeprophet

^^^ What the hell are you talking about?