Swim had sort of an.. accident and was exposed to HCl gas.. the concentration was .. well, let's just say now very low and exposure time was ~10 minutes. Ventillation was VERY hard as no fume hood was available. Swim experienced well expected effects as coughing, shortness of breath, low blood pressure, nausea, etc. He thought he might have to call 911 at some time.

Anyone else did such a stupid thing ? Should swiSPARTAAAA go to a doctor.. (it would take some imagination to explain how swiMADNESS breathed in HCl gas)

Damn my sloppyness ! Next time swim will take more precautions.. too bad some ppl learn the hard way T_T

Swim had sort of an.. accident and was exposed to HCl gas.. the concentration was .. well, let's just say now very low and exposure time was ~10 minutes. Ventillation was VERY hard as no fume hood was available. Swim experienced well expected effects as coughing, shortness of breath, low blood pressure, nausea, etc. He thought he might have to call 911 at some time.

Anyone else did such a stupid thing ? Should I go to a doctor.. (it would take some imagination to explain how I breathed in HCl gas)

Damn my sloppyness ! Next time swim will take more precautions.. too bad some ppl learn the hard way T_T

I would call the "poison hotline" (or wtf it is in the usa) and tell them (over skype please ;) ), they do not ask to many question and help. Try to relax and wait 5-7 hours if you still fell ill and have problems breathing see a doctor Immediately!

As for how it happend: I was mixing some muriatic acid (do not call it hcl) in a bucket it to clean my front rock lawn, and i was too close and got a breath of it ;)

I have had that happened with bromine, not cool :(

SN might be able to help more as he appears to have breath in all sort of fumes ;)

You will be fine. Get plenty of fresh air, lots of water, and rest. Any damage has already been done, and a hospital isn't going to actually DO anything for you. They will put you on monitors, and give you O2 while checking your B/Ox levels, which will be fine.


There is no medicine or cure, or anything to help you feel better. You just have to deal with it, and if you have any actual tissue damage, take care of it. Neosporin, vaseline etc.


Next time use your brain man.

Thanks :)

You'll most likely be fine but I'd invest in a respirator, I mean yea you look dumb but then you don't breathe in dangerous fumes.

You'll most likely be fine but I'd invest in a respirator, I mean yea you look dumb but then you don't breathe in dangerous fumes.

Gas mask+ fume hood (home made is fine too) or do it outside! and some acid resistant gloves ;)

HCl inhalation will fuck you up. while there is no real medication to fix it, you need to get constant xrays to get your lungs checked out. the damage has been done, but the potential for complications is very real.

your completely fucking retarded to stand there breathing it in, you have probably scarred your lungs and burnt your oesophagus. i hope it was worth it.

lol... some say I'll be mkay, others talking about constant monitoring (xrays, wtf?) and very possible complications.

I guess I'll just go to a doctor if feeling unwell..

Thanks again to everyone, btw :)

You don't risk anything above a runny nose, itching skin and mild burning sensation in the mouth.

HCl fumes aren't that particularly dangerous, it would require a pretty long continuous exposition with no air flow to get any life threatening problems. Contrary to what someone above said, it would require a colossal dose to fuck your lungs up or cause damage significant enough that the body couldn't heal it.

Just watch for your eyes. In the case you're unsure or your eyes start burning, dunk your head into a sink full of mildly warm water.

don't inhale it.it's probaly very hazardous.:p

someone in one of my labs had an accident with thionyl chloride, it was added to water and this person managed to get a couple of lungfulls. off to the emergency room, months of medication and there was pain for months.

heres a part of the msds
"Inhalation:
Corrosive. Extremely destructive to tissues of the mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract. Symptoms may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting. Inhalation may be fatal as a result of spasm inflammation and edema of the larynx and bronchi, chemical pneumonitis and pulmonary edema."

xrays are done to make sure that complications like infection and a dozen other things don't kill you unexpectedly.

X-rays don't detect infections...

X-rays: Checking the integrity of the skull/major organs.

MRI/IRM: Checking for tissue and vein integrity.

LOL@ XRAY



And OP, exactly, you start to feel like shit, go see a doctor, that's only common sense, but really, you are fine, I KNOW you are fine. I've inhaled ungodly amounts of fumes over the years, and here I sit. Not just HCl either. Sulfuric/nitric fumes, acetic anhydride fumes, HI fumes, the list goes on and on. And that's just the acids, not to mention the solvents.


Yeah, I'm gonna have cancer.

The doctor part is over the line unless you REALLY start feeling bad. I never go to the doc unless i feel something is alarmingly not right, but then i call an ambulance haha.

"Oh hi yeah ok you huffed some gas so wtf all i can do is tell you to rest, eat well and drink plenty cold water"

*ChaChing* "50 bucks please".

I'd rather drink my money than pay to hear such useless crap...

Exactly. No need to go to a doctor unless you are riding in an ambulance.

I've inhaled ungodly amounts of fumes over the years, and my leg fell off.

fix't for the lulz...

OP... there's not a whole lot you can do, and microbial culture and antibiotics are about all the hospital can do... but inhaling a gentle steam might soothe anything that's just "sore and raw," rather than "missing and dead."

Also works for dilution in the short-term, too. Goes well with coughing. Neither of which are as cool as dumping dry baking soda on it and flushing with gallons of water per second, but there's some shit it's just hard to do with a lung...

you guys are fucking retarded. i never claimed xrays saw infections, but they do see growths.

this is what pisses me off about you armchair chemists, you don't have a fucking clue what your on about or what you are dealing with, unless its copied and pasted from another site.

You will be fine. Get plenty of fresh air, lots of water, and rest. Any damage has already been done, and a hospital isn't going to actually DO anything for you. They will put you on monitors, and give you O2 while checking your B/Ox levels, which will be fine.


There is no medicine or cure, or anything to help you feel better. You just have to deal with it, and if you have any actual tissue damage, take care of it. Neosporin, vaseline etc.


Next time use your brain man.

^ Yep! Bang on - Got to be sensible and realistic, you have a life and although I don't know the 'situation' with 'unusual admissions' in the US, I bet that with the past Meth 'epidemic' (as it was put), hospitals are well-versed in potential drug-related injuries/problems and will recognise that HCl gas inhalation is probably right at the top of meth-related admissions and as such may result in a call to local enforcement. Whether you were involved in anything illegal or not they'd probably have a warrant to search your place within the hour.

*That said, if your breathing gets worse or there are any signs that things aren't getting better/worse and you are suffering, then you HAVE to get medical help but try to get it anonymously or with fake documents - if you need documents/id that is...(...you don't in the UK and can get treatment free so don't need insurance or ID at all. Also, they don't call the cops. It's an understanding that if they did call the cops, the general populous would hear about the policy and in future many would avoid getting medical help and thus would fuck themselves up. So, they stay like Switzerland, Neutral. Thank God for common sense.

I have been exposed a few times to a reasonably large amount for anything from 5 - 30+ mins (friend evapping an excessively over salted product) and although not enjoyable, getting you in the nose/throat/lungs, apart from (as SNoob states) fresh air, lots of water to drink (a shower is good too) and some eye drops, maybe, will more than likely sort you out.

Plus, hospitals cost bucks in some countries...

*HCl respirators are available at most DIY stores as Vapour Respirators - if you look on the back, they will state somewhere what 'vapours' they are effective against. You can get cartridges for a whole range of different things. Great investment, they do work and work extremely well - amazing being able to walk into a room and slowly, methodically and carefully sort out the problem rather than running in holding your breath, doing as much as you can before running out and getting a fresh lungful of air and repeating 4 or 5 times. Cheap and worth every penny, as are safety specs (do designer styles now, too - So,you can look kuuuule whilst venting your funnel!!! (that's not British for taking a piss/having a shag by the way...:eek:.)

Eldorhan

X-rays don't detect infections...


No, they don't, not per se... but if you go to the doc's with a chest infection they will pick up a clouded area of the lung on the x-ray directly as a result of the infection.


stupid noob
And OP, exactly, you start to feel like shit, go see a doctor, that's only common sense, but really, you are fine, I KNOW you are fine. I've inhaled ungodly amounts of fumes over the years, and here I sit. Not just HCl either. Sulfuric/nitric fumes, acetic anhydride fumes, HI fumes, the list goes on and on. And that's just the acids, not to mention the solvents.

....course, he does piss fire and crap Gelignite....but other than that, he's A-OK!!! doing fine ;)

someone in one of my labs had an accident with thionyl chloride, it was added to water and this person managed to get a couple of lungfulls. off to the emergency room, months of medication and there was pain for months.

Really ?!

How the fork did they manage to inhale so much?! Of course a combination of hydrochloric and sulfuric acids in the lungs is going to do no-one any good, but enough to cause months of pain simply when working in a professional laboratory...?! Christicles !


heres a part of the msds
"Inhalation:
Corrosive. Extremely destructive to tissues of the mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract. Symptoms may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting. Inhalation may be fatal as a result of spasm inflammation and edema of the larynx and bronchi, chemical pneumonitis and pulmonary edema."

gotta love em !

extracts from the MSDS for sodium chloride:

Ingestion:
Very large doses can cause vomiting, diarrhea, and prostration. Dehydration and congestion occur in most internal organs. Hypertonic salt solutions can produce violent inflammatory reactions in the gastrointestinal tract.


Special Information:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode.

thats really fucked up logic. just because the msds of some harmless chemicals seem a bit over the top doesn't mean that it applies to all.

also i'm not sure what happens to salt in a fire, but i would imagine that it would involve a shitload of chlorine related fumes.

heres an example, dimethyl mercury, one of the most leathal substances around. the msds says:
"Skin: Causes skin irritation. May be fatal if absorbed through the skin. May cause skin sensitization, an allergic reaction, which becomes evident upon re-exposure to this material. If absorbed, causes symptoms similar to those of inhalation. Effects may be delayed. May cause severe dermatitis and burns."

the reality is:
"On August 14, 1996, while working with an organic mercury compound called dimethylmercury, she spilled a drop or two on her latex glove. Five months later, she noticed some neurologic symptoms such as loss of balance and slurred speech. She was admitted to the hospital, where it was discovered that the single exposure to dimethylmercury had raised her blood mercury level to 4,000 micrograms per liter, or 20 times the toxic threshold. Despite aggressive chelation therapy, her condition rapidly deteriorated and three weeks after first symptoms appeared she fell into a coma and died a few months later, less than a year after her initial exposure."

you have to be smart when looking at the hazards, and something like HCl gas can easily fuck you up.

the reason this person inhaled so much was that someone stupid had thrown some into the sink to dispose of. as we know, it breaks down rapidly into HCl and sulfur dioxide. a couple of lungfulls is all it took for it to become a very serious injury, and this person new the dangers and got out of there quickly.

i personally don't think it's worth the risk. if you smell a gas that you aren't positive is harmles then walk away and organise some better ventilation. is it really worth a potential lifetime of reduced lung functionality for a single reaction?

or, how stupid do you have to be to stand around in a cloud of toxic gas?

Who the hell pays attention to MSDS anyway ?

"Waaah 5 ml sulfuric acid spilled ! Wash with 120 liters of water, burn all contaminated clothing while reciting a christian prayer, fumigate the room and seal it with an octogonic glyph marked 'pandora' for all eternity"

I always thought these over the top, ridiculously blew out of proportions MSDS were just funny.

thats really fucked up logic. just because the msds of some harmless chemicals seem a bit over the top doesn't mean that it applies to all.

errmm... that's your logic there... I was just having a giggle at the MSDS for salt cos I think it's quite amusing. Obviously one should be aware of the potential hazards of any chemicals they are using! I think though, from a certain angle you could say that the language used in the MSDS devalues the danger of those REALLY fucking nasty chemicals...

also i'm not sure what happens to salt in a fire, but i would imagine that it would involve a shitload of chlorine related fumes.

Nope - you'd have to have a pretty fucking pokey fire to even get the salt consider melting never mind dissociating...


heres an example, dimethyl mercury, one of the most leathal substances around.

Yes, yes - we've all heard this one! It's this story that's the main reason you'll never find me anywhere near diorganomercury... *shudder*


you have to be smart when looking at the hazards, and something like HCl gas can easily fuck you up.

indeed

the reason this person inhaled so much was that someone stupid had thrown some into the sink to dispose of.

Which fucking retard did that?! Christ on a bike I hope they got a fucking thrashing...

or, how stupid do you have to be to stand around in a cloud of toxic gas?

the eternal question...!

the reason this person inhaled so much was that someone stupid had thrown some into the sink to dispose of.
Sinks usually come with... this thing... you know... an inox rolling thing that makes water flow when you... turn it.

Wait no, it's better to let it sit down there ain't it ?

it reacts instantly. its one of those 'do not get near water' chemicals. turning on the tap, assuming it wasn't done, would have made little difference. its a really usefull chemical (turns hydroxy groups into chlorine), but needs to handled properly.

You bitch about arm chair chemists, and then say you don't know what happens to salt in a fire? GTFO.

HCl inhalation will fuck you up. while there is no real medication to fix it, you need to get constant xrays to get your lungs checked out. the damage has been done, but the potential for complications is very real.

your completely fucking retarded to stand there breathing it in, you have probably scarred your lungs and burnt your oesophagus. i hope it was worth it.

xray lol wut


HCl fumes aren't that particularly dangerous/QUOTE]

LOL WHAT :mad:?

[QUOTE=the almighty;10386280]don't inhale it.it's probaly very hazardous.:p

no shit Sherlock :)

someone in one of my labs had an accident with thionyl chloride, it was added to water and this person managed to get a couple of lungfulls. off to the emergency room, months of medication and there was pain for months.

heres a part of the msds
"Inhalation:
Corrosive. Extremely destructive to tissues of the mucous membranes and upper respiratory tract. Symptoms may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting. Inhalation may be fatal as a result of spasm inflammation and edema of the larynx and bronchi, chemical pneumonitis and pulmonary edema."

xrays are done to make sure that complications like infection and a dozen other things don't kill you unexpectedly.

shit that suck, i have had HCL fumes but just some bad cought for a couple of days :( that was 2+ years ago tho', now i fucking respect that like god :)

LOL@ XRAY



And OP, exactly, you start to feel like shit, go see a doctor, that's only common sense, but really, you are fine, I KNOW you are fine. I've inhaled ungodly amounts of fumes over the years, and here I sit. Not just HCl either. Sulfuric/nitric fumes, acetic anhydride fumes, HI fumes, the list goes on and on. And that's just the acids, not to mention the solvents.


Yeah, I'm gonna have cancer.

I loled but fuck that doesn't sound nice in any ways :( Do you cough regularly?

The doctor part is over the line unless you REALLY start feeling bad. I never go to the doc unless i feel something is alarmingly not right, but then i call an ambulance haha.

"Oh hi yeah ok you huffed some gas so wtf all i can do is tell you to rest, eat well and drink plenty cold water"

*ChaChing* "50 bucks please".

I'd rather drink my money than pay to hear such useless crap...

hahaha i that pretty much, but it was more like 70 € :mad: fucking bastards :mad:

Exactly. No need to go to a doctor unless you are riding in an ambulance.

or the place where you work force you too and makes you pay for it :mad:

dumping dry baking soda on it and flushing with gallons of water per second, but there's some shit it's just hard to do with a lung...

this is not cool, i know someone who got that shit !



this is what pisses me off about you armchair chemists, you don't have a fucking clue what your on about or what you are dealing with, unless its copied and pasted from another site.

blow me, you love copy pasta!

thats really fucked up logic. just because the msds of some harmless chemicals seem a bit over the top doesn't mean that it applies to all.

Couldn't agree more, always read the MSDS always!



I always thought these over the top, ridiculously blew out of proportions MSDS were just funny.

Take them seriously, it could make the difference between life and death!

blow me, you love copy pasta!


Is that some clever geographical joke i'm not aware of ? :D:p

Is that some clever geographical joke i'm not aware of ? :D:p

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=copypasta

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Gas mask+ fume hood (home made is fine too) or do it outside! and some acid resistant gloves ;)

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:)..after showing us something like this we need some details...although it looks to me like a fan and some tubing no?

Very nice either way :)

:)..after showing us something like this we need some details...although it looks to me like a fan and some tubing no?

Very nice either way :)

It's from google, I was just kinda bored. Sry, no chem pr0n :(

Swim had sort of an.. accident and was exposed to HCl gas.. the concentration was .. well, let's just say now very low and exposure time was ~10 minutes. Ventillation was VERY hard as no fume hood was available. Swim experienced well expected effects as coughing, shortness of breath, low blood pressure, nausea, etc. He thought he might have to call 911 at some time.

Anyone else did such a stupid thing ? Should I go to a doctor.. (it would take some imagination to explain how I breathed in HCl gas)

Damn my sloppyness ! Next time swim will take more precautions.. too bad some ppl learn the hard way T_T

Urm...

Fail?

If your to stupid to realise you need ventilation when making whatever you were making(maybe acetone peroxide....) then you deserve what you get. Safety first is the obvious thing, and anyone with common sense knows this.

Moral of the story,

USE YOUR FUCKING HEAD.

developed HCl gas tolerance anyone?

advice: next time generate less! whatever you are doing probably doesnt require a room full of gas anyway.

developed HCl gas tolerance anyone?

advice: next time generate less! whatever you are doing probably doesnt require a room full of gas anyway.

Bromine tolerance for me :(