I just started college and I want to get into med school. To do so I need to major in a science background. I'm going to major in chemistry. If I fail hard on the mcats and do not get into med school, I will fall back on my chem major.

Thinking that it is quite likely I will not get into medschool unless I make some changes in my life:

So I'm fresh out of undergrad w/ a major in chem. There are several jobs for me to choose from but I need to weigh out what is good and what is not.

NOTE: The following is assuming that the higher paying jobs have less access to precursers, and vice versa, if this is not true then disregard the next few paragraphs

1) Salary. Making money is bank.
2) Precursers. Making drugs is dank.

1)If I have a higher salary, I will not necessarily need to make my own drugs because I could just purchase them, but then again the purchased drugs won't be of the best quality. Even if I have a job that doesn't let me access ALL of the precs, at least I will get some, and I can even manufacture from there.

2) If I had less of a salary, but more precursers, I wouldn't need the additonal money to purchase drugs as I will have the ability to manufacture what I wanted. The drugs will also be of the highest quality and I wouldn't need to go through dealers.

Which careers in chemistry have the highest paying salary?
Which careers in chemistry have the highcest access to precursers?


COLLEGE CLASSES:

Right now I'm in intro to chem. I'm assuming it is going to be a slightly harder class then what I took in 10th grade as a highschooler. I decided to not take chem 1a first because I wanted a refresher so I can get the best grades possible.

Which courses have the most practical value to drug manufacture? In/organic chem? I know they are all necessary, of course, but I'm wondering which classes I should pay extra attention to.

How many chem clases are required for a major? What other classes should I take (non chem)?

I'm assuming many of you didn't go to college, but if you did the help would be appreciated!

That's a great reason to choose a career. Wow what the fuck. Seriously. Grow up man.

With a four year degree in chemistry, have your focus be on biochem, a lot of universities have various subsets of their chemistry degrees and the requirements are different from each, look into the matter at the university which you plan to attend's website, I'm sure the listings will include prerequisites for admittance into the program and what courses the program entails. Worse comes to worst, go into pharmacology and get at least a masters, if not a doctorate.

That's a great reason to choose a career. Wow what the fuck. Seriously. Grow up man.

This.

Really, you have it all wrong, from your reasons to your assumptions to your questions...

Shame.

I just started college and I want to get into med school. To do so I need to major in a science background. I'm going to major in chemistry. If I fail hard on the mcats and do not get into med school, I will fall back on my chem major.

Thinking that it is quite likely I will not get into medschool unless I make some changes in my life:

So I'm fresh out of undergrad w/ a major in chem. There are several jobs for me to choose from but I need to weigh out what is good and what is not.

NOTE: The following is assuming that the higher paying jobs have less access to precursers, and vice versa, if this is not true then disregard the next few paragraphs

1) Salary. Making money is bank.
2) Precursers. Making drugs is dank.

1)If I have a higher salary, I will not necessarily need to make my own drugs because I could just purchase them, but then again the purchased drugs won't be of the best quality. Even if I have a job that doesn't let me access ALL of the precs, at least I will get some, and I can even manufacture from there.

2) If I had less of a salary, but more precursers, I wouldn't need the additonal money to purchase drugs as I will have the ability to manufacture what I wanted. The drugs will also be of the highest quality and I wouldn't need to go through dealers.

Which careers in chemistry have the highest paying salary?
Which careers in chemistry have the highcest access to precursers?


COLLEGE CLASSES:

Right now I'm in intro to chem. I'm assuming it is going to be a slightly harder class then what I took in 10th grade as a highschooler. I decided to not take chem 1a first because I wanted a refresher so I can get the best grades possible.

Which courses have the most practical value to drug manufacture? In/organic chem? I know they are all necessary, of course, but I'm wondering which classes I should pay extra attention to.

How many chem clases are required for a major? What other classes should I take (non chem)?

I'm assuming many of you didn't go to college, but if you did the help would be appreciated!

hahahah grow up man.

Why don't you go back to shooting shit up in your arms and hopefully die in a pool of your own vomit ?

The world doesn't need people like you!

Die in slow but very warm burning fire.

Thanks

Wow, none of you are self-rightous assholes who think that your opinion on whether or not I need to "grow up" will convinse me!


Dumbasses.

I'm 17, I'm going to act my age, I'm not going to pretend to be something I'm not (Like stupid noob who thinks he is "bi" when he is really gay).


Why wouldn't you answer the question instead of placing your moral values on something? Aren't you pussies against the war on drugs? A HUGE component of the anti war on drugs is being against forcing others to follow your morals and letting them decide for themselves.


"OMG grow up faggzors you need to fall in line w/ everyone else and not base your career of things like that OMG" "ya I'm going to copy stupid noob because I think he has some sort of respect around here and if I say "this" maybe he will like me!" "Same"

Thank you incorporated.


I really shouldn't have to explain my self, as you pieces of shits really shouldn't have to feel the need to assert your morals onto someone else because you are insecure about your own, but:

I'm not going to select a career that doesn't interest me. I'm not going to select a career that bores me. I'm not going to be someone elses bitch (unless that is what I liked doing, which it isn't, so I'm not) and just select a standard job.

I like drugs. I really like them.

I also like chemistry (non-drug related) as well as kitchen chemistry.

Combine those two together, I get a pretty good fucking job.


I asked the question "Will it be easier for me to obtain drugs if I have a higher paycheck to buy them vs. lower paycheck but more precursers to make them myself." I then asked if my assumption was wrong and if there was a job that I would get a high paying salary plus access to precursers.


If you pompus assholes think that "omg so immature wanting a job to get precursers" 1) why do you care what I do w/ my life 2) why do you push your morals onto someone else get over yourself no one cares what you think have to say 3) your not my friend don't give me advice like this, it is socially awkward anyways it is commonplace to not give advice unless asked for, and I'm not asking for your moral/maturity advice idiots 4) Wide majority of this forum is about obtaining precursers and the theoretical thought of how many synthesis' would be easier if someone could get the dank shit. Why would you even fucking discuss the hard ass precursers if you can't get it. I am fantasizing about doing more then your little "dreams" which you know you've never done but just say you have because you know the chemistry behind it (I'm sure some of you have, but most of you are just claimers). This is quite possible so shut the fuck up, seriously.

So again, my question is "would you go for a high paying job + less precursers = moar money to buy drugs, or less paying job + moar precursers = make pure drugs, or is there any job that is high paying + moar precursers = lots and lots of drugs".

My question has nothing do to about "growing up" seeing as that I only turn 18 in a few months or any of your self rightous bullshit.

Im actually going into Chemistry, and not to make "teh aw3som drugzzorz"
What can I expect from the classes? I really like hands on experiments and shit, but my math isnt the greatest :( And will I need to take a physics class of any sort (for any odd reason)? Im really looking forward to this, hell maybe I can even start posting here once I learn some shit...

I'm 17, I'm going to act my age

Don't make the mistake of thinking that being seventeen makes it okay for you to act like an idiot.

I'm 17, I'm going to act my age,

A HUGE component of the anti war on drugs is being against forcing others to follow your morals and letting them decide for themselves.


"OMG grow up faggzors you need to fall in line w/ everyone else and not base your career of things like that OMG" "ya I'm going to copy stupid noob because I think he has some sort of respect around here and if I say "this" maybe he will like me!" "Same"

I like drugs. I really like them.


Prove the point that your a fuck tard (there are more but i am not wasting my time on you).
Plese GTFO of labtips, we aint need fuck asses like you.

/thread

Don't make the mistake of thinking that being seventeen makes it okay for you to act like an idiot.

Couldn't have been said better

This thread is utter shit, can be lock/delete it?

17 here too.

And only dumbasses/tools take choose their majors for the money.

Sure, take your chemistry major, though if 50% or more of that chem-related stuff goes into making drugs then you will probably hate half of the classes that don't ring a bell in your mind. General chemistry? Bored out of your mind.

Go into medicine if you want to heal people, not for easily available opiates.

Same analogy applies.

I got like a quarter of the way through your post there, and just said to myself, fuck it. I'm not wasting my time on this stupid shit. But you WERE right about one thing. You sure as fuck act your age, hence your lame stretch of an insult on my sexuality, despite living with a woman, having two kids, and fucked more pussy than you will see in your entire life.

wow go back to bltc. the purpose of this forum is to learn and exchange ideas on chemistry because WE LIKE CHEMISTRY, not because we only care about making the dopest shit (drugs-wise). Probably some of these guys do, but most of the people on this forum practice responsible techniques in their studies and have at least a minor degree of ethics as well. I mean really, you're wanting to pose as a guy solely concentrating on the health of sick individuals when in reality you just want to have access to ACS grade reactants and precursors so you can sell your high-purity substances to rich white suburban kids for insane amounts of money.

Don't get me wrong, we'd all love to sell high-purity substances to rich white kids for insane amounts of money, but I for one have a huge problem with becoming a doctor or other professional and only caring about it for the precursors it would get me instead of caring about it primarily for helping sick people. You are a bad person.

And only dumbasses/tools take choose their majors for the money.


:) Crude and to the point.

If you look at his post he is a fucking scum anyways, seen him post on other website with the same name, fucking piece of shit.

Hey guys lay off. He's going to be a freshman in college, and he has an interest in chemistry. Do you all know how many freshmen change their majors/career goals during 4 years of college? For all we know, he could take the classes for a year and completely change his views and pursue research instead.

And @ OP, doctors actually don't take that much chemistry. You should take O chem and see how you like it.

Hey guys lay off. He's going to be a freshman in college, and he has an interest in chemistry. Do you all know how many freshmen change their majors/career goals during 4 years of college? For all we know, he could take the classes for a year and completely change his views and pursue research instead.


I hope he just fucking straight quits, no need for idiots like him, lolol11 i will pick mah uni subjects so I cAN Get M0re DR00GZ!! idiot, go die in a fire.

I hope he just fucking straight quits, no need for idiots like him, lolol11 i will pick mah uni subjects so I cAN Get M0re DR00GZ!! idiot, go die in a fire.
It's not even a matter of hoping for it, it is an inevitability. Just because several people here seem to have a natural kncack for it, he seems to think it is easy but the fact of the matter is, millions of people world wide struggle with the subject, and I dare you to go to a doctor and try to discuss chemistry.


I don't mean a green horn, I mean a practicing MD. They don't give a fuck about it, and the majority hate it, and avoid the subject like the fucking plague.


I almost think he is trolling.........

Fuck you Stupid Noob.

I had an A in chem in highschool (obviously HS chem isn't the same the point remains I can do the "boring shit" extreamly well)

People in LT are actually here for the love of chemistry? Is this a joke? People come to LT, WD, SYN and DF(chem) to learn how to make drugs. I can guarentee you motherfuckers who are claiming otherwise that if chemistry didn't involve drugs, their would only be one person in this forum and that person would be interested in the synthesis of jizz in their own asshole (stupid noob).

You people are seriously cuntbuckets.

Who the hell gives another human shit about their motivations for getting employed? I can not fathom how one would become emtionally upset about another persons intentions for employment, nonetheless the want to get high when they themselves are drug users? God damnit.

I can also guarentee that if Stupid Noob said "This is a good post" and actually gave positive information and wasn't an asshole at all in his first post that 100% of you assholes would follow behind him and tell me how great of a person I am. Haha.

Edit - SN's going to lock this, fo sho.

Who the hell gives another human shit about their motivations for getting employed? I can not fathom how one would become emtionally upset about another persons intentions for employment, nonetheless the want to get high when they themselves are drug users?

Because idiots like you fuck up, get caught, and increase the heat on all involved.

Hey guys lay off. He's going to be a freshman in college, and he has an interest in chemistry. Do you all know how many freshmen change their majors/career goals during 4 years of college? For all we know, he could take the classes for a year and completely change his views and pursue research instead.

And @ OP, doctors actually don't take that much chemistry. You should take O chem and see how you like it.

AFAIK, this.

I'm a freshman too (and in LT partially for my love of chemistry, which LT helped me realize. Came for the drugz, stayed for the chemistry), and I had my first chemistry 161 lecture today. I never realized how much people hate chemistry (dumbasses :mad:), and the professor actually was encouraging everyone who either didn't love chemistry (almost everyone laughed:(:mad:) or needed it as a prereq. to drop out. He is actually a biochem PhD who is working on the biosynthesis of vitamins, and is trying to get a biochem BS program started, hopefully in time for me to switch to it. Seems like a great guy.

Not that I have a great amount of respect for OP or anything...

You people are seriously cuntbuckets.


Nice!

Now the question arises, why ask a bunch of "cuntbuckets" for advice on what to do with the rest of your life?!

Fuck you Stupid Noob.

I had an A in chem in highschool (obviously HS chem isn't the same the point remains I can do the "boring shit" extreamly well)


...and no one cares, please tell me your trolling us :( no one can be this idiotic, go shoot up some raid.

/thread

I don't like the reason you are trying to get a degree, so I will post here and cry to you. I don't have a degree myself but I get so much more pussy than you from my girlfriend :p

Pope, let me tell you something I tell very few people on totse (because they'd bitch at me for giving advice in BLTC without having direct experience): I don't do drugs. Not even weed. I haven't made drugs. I only study them. I don't use chemistry as a door to something else, either to med school or to make drugs; drug research and chemistry are simply two of my hobbies and there is sufficient crossover for me to research both simultaneously.

SN, for example, started his chemistry education not because of drugs, but because of explosives, and plenty of the old timers got their start that way too. About 2 months ago I talked to an 86-year old former research chemist that headed PKU research in my state for 15 years. How did he get his start? Nitrations and explosives back in the Great Depression, when "amateur scientists" were rare and making drugs was the hobby of only one group of companies. You don't come to chemistry for the drugs. Chemistry allows you to come with the drugs, or with the explosives, and if taking drugs leads you to fascination with chemistry you'll also likely be able to sustain your interest. But if you come to the field searching for a door to something else you'll be a) bored out of your skull, and b) wasting your time...

This PDF (http://www.chem.utah.edu/pdf/undergrad_program/optons_biological.pdf) is a sample of what you'll have to take to major in chemistry with a biological interdisciplinary (which is what you'll want if you're thinking of med school, professional chemistry is much more difficult). Do you need to know physical chemistry to make drugs? Advanced inorganic lab? Calculus III and advanced physics? Probably not (though I'm sure there are some applications at the higher echelons). What happens when you realize that you're interested in only a subset of chemistry? You'll quit, which will be the proper choice because there's enough information outside of college for you to be able to learn how to make drugs (in a relatively professional sense) without the degree. It's too bad that you equate your willingness to "go through the boring" shit with a willingness to "go through the boring, long, and unbelievably difficult without an equal interest in math" shit; you're just not going to make it through chemistry with that kind of attitude.

TLDR? If you want to make drugs, go make drugs; there's enough information (and entire classes of OChem) online for you to figure most things out yourself. As far as careers go, I personally wouldn't take a career with a wide supply of precursors because a) I don't do drugs myself and would have little use for them, and b) you can make almost anything even without the "professional precursors". This is where research comes in handy, something they don't teach very much of in the universities. If you don't have access to LAH, there's no doubt that there's an alternative chemical that you can use for the same purpose. This goes back to the "find a chemical for a use" clause, precursors don't mean much to a man with sufficient motivation.

...

+1

I hate it when I say some random little fact about a drug, and someone assumes I am a "druggy." As much as it pisses me off, I can't imagine how much worse it is when you don't even do drugs but are still interested in the clandestine manufacture and chemistry of them.

If I was gonna lock it, I would have, my point is that you need to rethink your goals. Nshanin put it quite well actually. You wanna make drugs? Then make drugs. You don't need a degree or awesome job to get chemicals, and if you think you do, well then, you have a whole lot more reading to do son.

If I was gonna lock it, I would have, my point is that you need to rethink your goals. Nshanin put it quite well actually. You wanna make drugs? Then make drugs. You don't need a degree or awesome job to get chemicals, and if you think you do, well then, you have a whole lot more reading to do son.

Why couldn't you have just said that in the begining instead of being such an asshole?


I DO want to be a psyciatrist. I really like psychology but would rather be a shrink then a psychologist. IF that doesn't work, might as well do chemistry, right?


Nshanin did put it nicely.



edit= stupid noob, I keep mixing you up w/ MetaFaggot, probally because both of you are serious dicks and he would pull a fucked up move like that.

Why couldn't you have just said that in the begining instead of being such an asshole?


I DO want to be a psyciatrist. I really like psychology but would rather be a shrink then a psychologist. IF that doesn't work, might as well do chemistry, right?


Nshanin did put it nicely.



edit= stupid noob, I keep mixing you up w/ MetaFaggot, probally because both of you are serious dicks and he would pull a fucked up move like that.

Shrink = psychologist/psychiatrist, but psychologist != psychiatrist. One is trained and need's a Ph.D (psychologist, IIRC), and the other one has no requirements (anyone can call them self a psychiatrist).

Shrink = psychologist/psychiatrist, but psychologist != psychiatrist. One is trained and need's a Ph.D (psychologist, IIRC), and the other one has no requirements (anyone can call them self a psychiatrist).

uhhhh psychiatrists need a degree from medical school so they can prescribe their own pharmacological courses of treatment. Psychologists by definition don't have an MD, so they have to refer patients to get them prescriptions. They both have their own "requirements."

Shrink = psychologist/psychiatrist, but psychologist != psychiatrist. One is trained and need's a Ph.D (psychologist, IIRC), and the other one has no requirements (anyone can call them self a psychiatrist).

You are so dumb.

A shrink is a psyciatrist.

A psyciatrist can prescribe medications because he went to medical school.

A psychologist has had to go to graduate school. He can NOT prescribe meds because he didn't go to med school.

A THERAPIST doesn't need any requirements.

God.

Oh, my bad. :o

AFAIK, this.

I'm a freshman too (and in LT partially for my love of chemistry, which LT helped me realize. Came for the drugz, stayed for the chemistry), and I had my first chemistry 161 lecture today. I never realized how much people hate chemistry (dumbasses :mad:), and the professor actually was encouraging everyone who either didn't love chemistry (almost everyone laughed:(:mad:) or needed it as a prereq. to drop out. He is actually a biochem PhD who is working on the biosynthesis of vitamins, and is trying to get a biochem BS program started, hopefully in time for me to switch to it. Seems like a great guy.

Not that I have a great amount of respect for OP or anything...

Get into that bro. Biochem is where it's going to be in the next few years. Plus it's such a theoretical mind fuck. If we can program life then we face the weird paradox of scientific creationism. But yeah, Biochemistry is def at that point where we have a large enough grasp on the practical applications, yet we need lots of grad students to do all of the work.

:) Crude and to the point.

If you look at his post he is a fucking scum anyways, seen him post on other website with the same name, fucking piece of shit.

I thought you were talking to me, got mad, then re-read.

Lol, atomoxetine withdrawal

Get into that bro. Biochem is where it's going to be in the next few years. Plus it's such a theoretical mind fuck. If we can program life then we face the weird paradox of scientific creationism. But yeah, Biochemistry is def at that point where we have a large enough grasp on the practical applications, yet we need lots of grad students to do all of the work.

I'm planning on it, and a good friend of mine is getting a genetics BS in the make-your-own-degree program, I don't remember exactly what it's called. I'm not sure if I should go to graduate school, but I think I might want to get a MS.

This thread is now about who is going to school/planning on going to school/went to school for chemistry/related fields. Go!

How come i don't have a school recognition of my capacities and i'm still able to get most -if not all- precursors ?

Have fun with all the brainwashing !

Get into that bro. Biochem is where it's going to be in the next few years. Plus it's such a theoretical mind fuck. If we can program life then we face the weird paradox of scientific creationism. But yeah, Biochemistry is def at that point where we have a large enough grasp on the practical applications, yet we need lots of grad students to do all of the work.

Bullshit. All that's been done is mirroring/slightly modifying EXISTING dna, not CREATING it.

Technological evolutions always stagnate then jump, stagnate and jump. Now we're in the stagnation phase, pretty much nothing great will be discovered before the next 50 or 100 years.

TheBlackPope:

Finishing college with a chemistry/physics course is an extremely bad idea if you're into making drugs. The moment you get your degree your name will be thrown on "the list".

Don't believe me ? Google it.

I dare you to go to a doctor and try to discuss chemistry.


Lol, most doctors don't know jack shit about chemistry, they just know that X medicine is incompatible with Y medicine.

They don't have a fucking clue about what exactly's in the pill.

I thought you were talking to me, got mad, then re-read.

Lol, atomoxetine withdrawal

;) Where have you been ? :mad:

Lol, most doctors don't know jack shit about chemistry, they just know that X medicine is incompatible with Y medicine.

They don't have a fucking clue about what exactly's in the pill.

Tell me about it and sometimes they do not even now! One dumbass but a familly member of mine on two different medications which caused him/her to have a seizure! Fucking moron! Lucky we managed to get all our money back and the fuck head payed for all the hospital fee's and all! God damn it, i felt like curb stoping that son of a bitch :mad: "No, no no, the seizure had nothing to do with the medication i assigned"....*doctor at the hospital*: "There is no doubt that the mixing of these two medications caused the seizure"...:(:mad: fuck head

They have hospital fees in Europe? o.0

They have hospital fees in Europe? o.0

:( Well at the begining they where saying it was all our fault and what not :(, so we where suppose to cover all these cost, but after so digging and the confirmation from the doctors at the hospital that mother fucker payed for it, i want to fucking curb stomp that sonofabitch face :mad:

Bullshit. All that's been done is mirroring/slightly modifying EXISTING dna, not CREATING it.

Check this shit out...

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html

Artificial life is an imminent possibility...


Finishing college with a chemistry/physics course is an extremely bad idea if you're into making drugs. The moment you get your degree your name will be thrown on "the list".

Don't believe me ? Google it.


How bout you link me?

;) Where have you been ? :mad:



NO U!!!!


anyways, you really have to get online...

Technological evolutions always stagnate then jump, stagnate and jump. Now we're in the stagnation phase, pretty much nothing great will be discovered before the next 50 or 100 years.

I'll disagree there. Right now is one of the most exciting times to be a physicist, with the LHC confirming or denying their whole view of the universe (well, their mathematical model at least). If they see what they want, they can confirm many of their theories, and if it doesn't they need to come up with a completely new one. 100 years ago physics thought they had it all sorted, all they had to do was tie up lose ends, then along came plank and ruined everything.

Chemistry is chugging along, there are no stunning discoveries as chemical technology is more or less limited by your imagination (check that out, it's old but i was pretty impressed. the article is free, just hit pdf (http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/NJ/article.asp?doi=a805959d)). Hell, ten years ago they mapped out human DNA. That involved bucketloads of chemists, and i would call it a pretty big score for mankind.

Regardless, I think alot of the pure chemistry has been done. We no longer sit around and debate the structures of compounds or why something happens because we simply already know. If we don't know for sure, the huge mass of techniques and equipment available makes finding out trivial. With HNMR and IR we can find the structure of a compound in a an hour, and with GC-MS, we can get a computer to do it instantly. A hundred years ago, something simple like limonene took years to figure out, now it can be done in our lunch break.

So, what happens now?

Whats happening now is applying what we have learnt, and the tools we have to solve specific problems. You still have to sit in the lab and apply your knowledge and understanding to a problem, it is only the goals that have changed. And there are many, millions of problems industry comes up with, from hydrogen fuel cells to making dyes. A massive area of interest is shrinking equipment, having probes and sensors that can do everything you would like, be handheld and be robust. It's far less romantic than what has been done previously, but it is just as challenging.

LHC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/narcissus_scorn/Things%20that%20make%20me%20happy/LHC.jpg

;)...Which is actually wrong because this was just a test and the actually experiments and all are starting next month(ish) i believe.