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easeoflife22
2008-08-25, 18:48
So you have Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, buddhism, all with a billion plus followers, and conflicting beliefs. The only thing they can agree on is that they all know they are right. That means that at least 3 of 4 of those religions are just made up. Technically, If you think you are right, that means that 3 huge mainstream religions are made up. Considering they share pretty similar supernatural crap, logically they must all be made up. You'd actually have to be retarded to not see this conclusion.

CharChar
2008-08-25, 19:04
So you have Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, buddhism, all with a billion plus followers, and conflicting beliefs. The only thing they can agree on is that they all know they are right. That means that at least 3 of 4 of those religions are just made up. Technically, If you think you are right, that means that 3 huge mainstream religions are made up. Considering they share pretty similar supernatural crap, logically they must all be made up. You'd actually have to be retarded to not see this conclusion.

Buddhism is not a mainstream religion.

Christianity and Islam generally agree with each other and don't really care if the other was wrong, its pretty much the same anyways.

Buddhism does not have anything real supernatural in it ether. Buddha was pretty much Agnostic.

easeoflife22
2008-08-25, 19:39
Buddhism is not a mainstream religion.

Christianity and Islam generally agree with each other and don't really care if the other was wrong, its pretty much the same anyways.

Buddhism does not have anything real supernatural in it ether. Buddha was pretty much Agnostic.

Why did you tip toe around the original argument?

Christianity believes in Jesus being the son of God, and the holy trinity. Islam believes in the prophet Muhammad, and has a whole set of different rules to live by. Buddhists believe in reincarnation and Karma, that's supernatural. Even if Islam and Christianity share the belief of a singular god, the religions are very much different. I still stand by the fact that their are 4 separate religions in which the followers believe they're right. If none of them are exactly the same, or even close, no more than one can be right. Most likely they are all wrong. As a religious person, how can you ignore the fact that billions must be wrong, and not think that maybe it's you.

CharChar
2008-08-25, 20:11
Why did you tip toe around the original argument?

Christianity believes in Jesus being the son of God, and the holy trinity. Islam believes in the prophet Muhammad, and has a whole set of different rules to live by. Buddhists believe in reincarnation and Karma, that's supernatural. Even if Islam and Christianity share the belief of a singular god, the religions are very much different. I still stand by the fact that their are 4 separate religions in which the followers believe they're right. If none of them are exactly the same, or even close, no more than one can be right. Most likely they are all wrong. As a religious person, how can you ignore the fact that billions must be wrong, and not think that maybe it's you.

Actually Islam also believes Jesus was another gift sent from God. Reincarnation and Karma have not really been proven wrong yet. Yeah theres also a chance they are all wrong, its not really known yet, but if anyone wants to follow that, then it should be fine. The other people shouldn't really be bugged about it and should just go on they're life looking or waiting for answers. By the way I'm not really religious. Actually more Agnostic.

zik
2008-08-25, 21:25
Those religions don't really conflict that much. Christianity and Islam are both part of a larger tradition. Buddhism is rooted in Hinduism. Beyond that the Dharmic religions don't necessarily claim they are the only true religion, that's something you only see in fundamental Christianity and radical Islam. A better question to ask is, of all the world religions which one has a system of symbols that most correctly represents reality as we can ascertain it. Out of the religions discussed in this thread, Hinduism and Buddhism are in the lead. Islam and Christianity have some potential in their esoteric cores, but these seem to be fading and unaccessable.

People need symbolic systems to live their life by. They need concepts to help them understand birth, death, and everything in between and beyond. These systems become delusional though, when they don't correspond to reality. We must remember, though, that from our human perspective we are incapable of viewing the whole of existence and thus can not, at least in this state of evolution, know the full truth of anything. Reality is filtered through our perception, altered by our perspective, and glossed over with our sentiment. Despite this shortcoming, we can still explain and explore our shared reality and look toward the microcosm in order to better understand the macrocosm.

scovegner
2008-08-25, 21:28
Well I definitely know with christianity they teach that jesus is the only way to heaven and to worship anyone else is bad ..

TheMessiahComplex
2008-08-25, 22:12
Technically, If you think you are right, that means that 3 huge mainstream religions are made up. Considering they share pretty similar supernatural crap, logically they must all be made up.

Eh, that's not really a sound logical conclusion. If 3 out of 4 are wrong that doesn't necessarily mean the 4th is too. Unless you're saying 'having supernatural crap' is in and of itself enough of a reason to think it's made up.

BrokeProphet
2008-08-27, 09:08
Unless you're saying 'having supernatural crap' is in and of itself enough of a reason to think it's made up.

Most everyone does....

That is exactly what me, and the invisible pink dragon in my garage thinks.

Do you think I just made that last part about my dragon friend up?

If you do, then perhaps you (like most every other human on the planet) think having supernatural crap is, in and of itself is enough, a reason to think I made it up. People dismiss supernatural crap (things without natural explanation or evidence) out of hand, more often than not.

It is only when the supernatural crap makes you more comfortable (I will exist forever and see my dead granny again in paradise) or feel special (I am more spiritually evolved, God has a plan for me etc.) or it just makes your world seem more interesting (why yes, bigfoot came right through the trailer park last night, see his footprint? Am I on T.V.?) that proof of the supernatural is not required.

The Methematician
2008-08-27, 14:14
Assuming that OP is actually right about the 3/4 of them are wrong part...

We then found out that 3/4 of them are following the mono-God system, have a system of prophets, and the day of Judgment,....a more-o-less similar system of hell and heaven, of angels and satan,...

and only one of them that is totally different,...talking about enlightenment, re-incarnation,..karma,....

guess who's is actually the "right" one ???? the 1/4 out of them ???

Rust
2008-08-27, 16:12
^ Brilliant logic!

"I dig up 4 rocks; 3 of them are black, the other one isn't. Therefore, I've found gold."

... This thread is full of shitty reasoning, beginning with the OP.

TheMessiahComplex
2008-08-27, 22:11
Most everyone does....

That is exactly what me, and the invisible pink dragon in my garage thinks.

Do you think I just made that last part about my dragon friend up?



Ok let me explain what I was getting at a little better.
His logic is that the 4 religions he cited are mutually exclusive, only one can be true.
Therefore, 3 are false. And since they share common elements with the fourth, the fourth is also false.
All I'm saying is that on it's own isn't really sound unless you add the stipulation that anything dealing with the supernatural is false. With this stipulation, the whole argument about 3 out of 4 of them being false becomes irrelevant anyways. If you take that stipulation out and just have the argument that 3 out of 4 are false that doesn't necessarily mean that the fourth is false as well.
Basically what I'm saying is to rule all four out you need more info than what he put in his first post.

Also, if your dragon is invisible then how can it be pink too? It's one or the other man.

ArmsMerchant
2008-08-27, 22:20
Buddhism is not a mainstream religion.

.

While estimates vary between 200-500 million adherents, the generally agreed number of Buddhists is estimated at around 350 million (6% of the world's population). This makes Buddhism the world's fourth largest (in terms of number of adherents) religion.

(above from googling)

Not exactly a splinter group.

MR.Kitty55
2008-08-28, 04:11
religion is straight retarded, think in layman's terms...

Snakes can't talk.

People can't come back to life.

People can't part water (or walk on it).

Any source that claims the opposite or similar things of these nature is obviously full of shit.

I mean if some guy came up to you and started saying all these logically backwords things he would just be in a mental hospital. However, religious people are the majority so they run the hospitals...crazy world....


Than again, if you assume that there is a correct religion you can safely assume the other three are full of shit...But doesn't everyone think at least 3 religions are full of shit?

Galgamech
2008-08-28, 11:57
religion is straight retarded, think in layman's terms...

Snakes can't talk.

People can't come back to life.

People can't part water (or walk on it).

Any source that claims the opposite or similar things of these nature is obviously full of shit.

I mean if some guy came up to you and started saying all these logically backwords things he would just be in a mental hospital. However, religious people are the majority so they run the hospitals...crazy world....


Than again, if you assume that there is a correct religion you can safely assume the other three are full of shit...But doesn't everyone think at least 3 religions are full of shit?

I think you are missing the point

BrokeProphet
2008-08-28, 22:25
Ok let me explain what I was getting at a little better............
Also, if your dragon is invisible then how can it be pink too? It's one or the other man.

No, I agree the logic in the OP is faulty. He raised a good point though, and that is this: People have no problem dismissing the other religions of the world as full of shit and believing they have found the right one. They have absolutely no evidence that the other religions are full of shit, except evidence that also show their religion is full of shit.

I was just making a point that people dismiss supernatural shit all day long, until it has intristic value to them. (comfort, self-importance etc.)

BTW...The dragon told me he is pink. He only talks to me, I think.

I can defend my dragon all day long with whatever I have to (you will never disprove my dragon).

Galgamech
2008-08-29, 03:28
People have no problem dismissing the other religions of the world as full of shit and believing they have found the right one. They have absolutely no evidence that the other religions are full of shit, except evidence that also show their religion is full of shit.

Ignorant people who know little about any of the religions do this. The core parts of many religions are very similar.

Buddhism teaches to find your own path and Hinduism states there are 'many paths to the mountain top.' These eastern religions are much more open to different thoughts.

Followers of Christianity or Islam may believe that they are following the one true way but they also are taught to accept it if someone else doesn't agree with them and tolerate this. These two Abrahamic religions are extremely similar in a lot of their teachings.

If you cut all the bullshit everyone who has been called a Prophet or an Enlightened Being or the son of God or an incarnation of God on earth or whatever all taught similar things.

"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama


Tolerance is also important to all these religions.


I can defend my dragon all day long with whatever I have to (you will never disprove my dragon).But with my experience of this world I know that your dragon is extremely unlikely and therefore unbelievable to me. Until you can prove it or make it sound in any way possible.

CharChar
2008-08-29, 05:39
While estimates vary between 200-500 million adherents, the generally agreed number of Buddhists is estimated at around 350 million (6% of the world's population). This makes Buddhism the world's fourth largest (in terms of number of adherents) religion.

(above from googling)

Not exactly a splinter group.

Yeah you're right. Still kinda small compared to the other three.

If you take Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism which comes out on top as far as followers?

You'd think it would be bigger because China has a huge population.

The Methematician
2008-08-29, 09:22
Followers of Christianity or Islam may believe that they are following the one true way but they also are taught to accept it if someone else doesn't agree with them and tolerate this.

Links or it didn;t happen !!!!11!!

BrokeProphet
2008-08-29, 21:37
Ignorant people who know little about any of the religions do this. The core parts of many religions are very similar.

I realize the definition of religion...this is how they are similar.

The similarities stop there.

Oh except for this:

"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal." The Dalai Lama

Yes they have the same goals. Whoopity shit. They may all emphasize this, but they go about completely different ways to teach and practice this.

For example: we can both seek to bring about peace in country X. You can try to use diplomacy, and I can drop several nuclear payloads on the country.

We still both had the same goal, though. So we are the same?

But with my experience of this world I know that your dragon is extremely unlikely and therefore unbelievable to me. Until you can prove it or make it sound in any way possible.

My dragon is unlikely until I can prove it to you?

Do you believe in God?

If so, what proof do you have to justify this belief...otherwise my fucking point is made.

Tolerance is also important to all these religions.

There are many different types of Buddhism, I myself studied Nicherin Diashoni's. All we had to do was to chant a magic phrase to a magic scroll on the wall. We never had sermons or cannons that spoke of any kind of tolerance whatsoever.

Namyo ho renge kyo, was all we had to know.

We made fun of christians constantly. Perhaps we should have chanted more.

Hinduism believes Jesus to be an aspect of Vishnu...which is decidedly different than what christians believe. Hinduism is pretty accepting of all religions. I work with a Hindu, and he is pretty tolerant.

Islam and Christianity...tolerant? Are you fucking braindead? Perhaps you should read the old testement (the tie that binds them in your argument for similarity) to get an understanding of this tolerance.

Old testement is obsolete you say?
Google gay marraige to understand christian and muslim tolerance.

Sententiae
2008-08-31, 17:29
So you have Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, buddhism, all with a billion plus followers, and conflicting beliefs. The only thing they can agree on is that they all know they are right. That means that at least 3 of 4 of those religions are just made up. Technically, If you think you are right, that means that 3 huge mainstream religions are made up. Considering they share pretty similar supernatural crap, logically they must all be made up. You'd actually have to be retarded to not see this conclusion.

Similar supernatural crap? You need to look more into them. And 2 out of 4 of those don't necessarily accept linear and dualistic explanations of the universe, and therefore do not assume theirs is the only way. If you're going to make generalized statements, you might want to look into them first. And given the fact they the other 2 are very similar in their core, mayhaps they are not as mutually exclusive as you might have presumed. Also, given your line of reasoning, three of them being wrong by one being right, one would HAVE to be right, otherwise you end up back at square one. You can't say that it' right to eliminate the others and then say it's wrong to eliminate it and stay ion a logically sound foundation. You'd actually have to be retarded not to see this conclusion.

Ok let me explain what I was getting at a little better.
His logic is that the 4 religions he cited are mutually exclusive, only one can be true.

You might want to look up these religions before you start saying what they believe and that they are mutually exclusive. Hinduism by and large, and Buddhism do not disallow other religions, Gods, or anything else. It's mostly western world religions that are mutually exclusive.

Therefore, 3 are false. And since they share common elements with the fourth, the fourth is also false.
All I'm saying is that on it's own isn't really sound unless you add the stipulation that anything dealing with the supernatural is false. With this stipulation, the whole argument about 3 out of 4 of them being false becomes irrelevant anyways. If you take that stipulation out and just have the argument that 3 out of 4 are false that doesn't necessarily mean that the fourth is false as well.
Basically what I'm saying is to rule all four out you need more info than what he put in his first post.

First, your logic doesn't quite pan out. You seem to think that A.) Any one of them must at one point be right (to exclude the others in rightness) B.) that any of them must be wrong, and C.) because some of them are similar, if one is wrong the one which is similar must be wrong.

And also, your stipulation makes the entire discussion moot. It would be like saying, "Did you know I am the the best person in the universe? Oh yea, don't forget to add the stipulation that says I'm the greatest person in the universe. By assuming in your statement that anything with supernatural occurances in it is false, the arguement is over. There's no need to extrapolate further, because with this basic assumption, no matter what is said afterwards, 4/4 of those religions must be wrong. All based on the initial statement upon which the entire discussion would have centered around.

Also, if your dragon is invisible then how can it be pink too? It's one or the other man.

Being invisible means it cannot be seen, but does not mean it doesn't have color. Invisible would just mean it's outer layer is able to bend light around it. Therefore, it could be any color. There's actually a new fabric which does that, but it only works on a microscopic level at the moment...and remember the context, his imaginary dragon friend should have magic powers, so it could have been one of those things that fades in and out too. Too bad my FPS ate it.

Sententiae
2008-08-31, 17:50
Yes they have the same goals. Whoopity shit. They may all emphasize this, but they go about completely different ways to teach and practice this.

For example: we can both seek to bring about peace in country X. You can try to use diplomacy, and I can drop several nuclear payloads on the country.

We still both had the same goal, though. So we are the same?

No, you're not the same, but you did manage to solve the problem, and arrive at a similar destination, with peace in that country. The question is which is appropriate? But that enters into moral and economic questions as to rightness and efficiency. However, as in religions case, you go about it differently and end up with the same result.



There are many different types of Buddhism, I myself studied Nicherin Diashoni's. All we had to do was to chant a magic phrase to a magic scroll on the wall. We never had sermons or cannons that spoke of any kind of tolerance whatsoever.

Namyo ho renge kyo, was all we had to know.

We made fun of christians constantly. Perhaps we should have chanted more.

That is awul buddhism.....you should have been learning about the Dharam, and Samsara, and how to remove yourself from it. If you didn't, either you were learning the wrong things from your teacher/temple/monk, or not putting yourself into it. Either of which would explain why you got nothing out of it. Making fun of people is not something buddhists generally do.

Hinduism believes Jesus to be an aspect of Vishnu...which is decidedly different than what christians believe. Hinduism is pretty accepting of all religions. I work with a Hindu, and he is pretty tolerant.

Islam and Christianity...tolerant? Are you fucking braindead? Perhaps you should read the old testement (the tie that binds them in your argument for similarity) to get an understanding of this tolerance.

Old testement is obsolete you say?
Google gay marraige to understand christian and muslim tolerance.

Hinduism is actually an amalgam of different religious teachings. The Dutch said, "Fuck this" while trying to take their census and just labeled everyone Hindu. Seriously. that's why if you pry into it, you'll see some sects of hinduism holds that there are millions of gods, another that there are three, and yet another in which there are none. So, naturally that would produce a tolerant religion. Islam, true Islam, as well as Christianity, are tolerant. Their scriptures and teachings involve avoiding judging others, an aversion to direct physical violence, although Islam allows for it for non-worshipers in specific situations, as does Christianity and Judaism.

The problem is with current adaptations of the religions. They all want to pick and choose, especially Christianity and Islam. Christianity has a habit of ignoring the Old Testament, unless it backs a conservative viewpoint. Then it's part of the Bible. Islam ignore basic precepts to adopt more militaristic lifestyles based on Fajah's(could be way off on the name, but I'm looking for: religious teachers akin to advisors for the layman) and not on Mohammad's originally statements.

Also, you're quite right about your dragon. There is no more real evidence of that than there is of any god, afterlife, etc. because of this, the journey for an answer which satisfies the self must be a personal one. Until you can prove anything either way, God will just have to chill in your garage with your dragon.

CharChar
2008-08-31, 21:11
Hinduism believes Jesus to be an aspect of Vishnu...which is decidedly different than what christians believe. Hinduism is pretty accepting of all religions. I work with a Hindu, and he is pretty tolerant.

Islam and Christianity...tolerant? Are you fucking braindead? Perhaps you should read the old testement (the tie that binds them in your argument for similarity) to get an understanding of this tolerance.

In India a lot of Hindus beat their sons and daughters for switching beliefs. I know a family from India that had to get out.

Islam and Christians do get along very well. You just listen to what the mass media tells you.

Sententiae
2008-09-01, 00:49
In India a lot of Hindus beat their sons and daughters for switching beliefs. I know a family from India that had to get out.


I know "christian" and "atheist" families alike who beat their children for things such as spilling a glass of water, or not getting a beer for daddy fast enough. Beatings are pretty common world wide, irregardless of religion and country of origin, and for all manner of stupid reasons. It's the teachings of the religion which are in question here, not the practitioners of the religion.

TheMessiahComplex
2008-09-02, 21:40
First, your logic doesn't quite pan out. You seem to think that A.) Any one of them must at one point be right (to exclude the others in rightness) B.) that any of them must be wrong, and C.) because some of them are similar, if one is wrong the one which is similar must be wrong.

And also, your stipulation makes the entire discussion moot. It would be like saying, "Did you know I am the the best person in the universe? Oh yea, don't forget to add the stipulation that says I'm the greatest person in the universe. By assuming in your statement that anything with supernatural occurances in it is false, the arguement is over. There's no need to extrapolate further, because with this basic assumption, no matter what is said afterwards, 4/4 of those religions must be wrong. All based on the initial statement upon which the entire discussion would have centered around.




Ok I think you need to go re-read what I posted. Everything you just said that I quoted right there, is almost exactly what I said in the first place.
I don't get why you did that.

Xandre
2008-09-02, 23:32
Well... fuck it, I can't think of a better analogy, so here goes.

The way I see it, you could compare th major religions to social theories. You got fuckin Marxism, Neo-Marxism, Social Action theory, Feminism et. al.

If you study these theories, you'll see that they all have bits that make sense in different ways, they are all different, yet all equally sensible.

I mean, you can't think in terms of right OR wrong when dealing with these things... I'm an atheist btw, but I can accept why people believe.

Galgamech
2008-09-03, 03:33
I mean, you can't think in terms of right OR wrong when dealing with these things...

Tadaa

Agent 008
2008-09-03, 16:17
Religion is not about what's real and what's not, what exists and what doesn't - let's leave it to scientists to figure out. It's about philosophies to live by. The rest are concepts used to explain these philosophies.

I can't believe there are so many nutters who take everything literally. (I don't mean the OP obviously, I'm with him here).

wolfy_9005
2008-09-03, 16:35
Notice how both christianity and islam both have a "prophet" or "messanger" from god? i.e. jesus and muhammed. Their the same person. Muhammed is the arabic name and jesus the englishised name. And they both hate the jews. The only major difference is the name. Everything else is just stupid. The christians had their extremists long ago, now days not so much. But the islamics now have a large ammount of extremists. Basically, their the same religion, but their simply different factions.

This makes no sense to me. And religion is the same.

Deviate
2008-09-04, 09:32
Notice how both christianity and islam both have a "prophet" or "messenger" from God? i.e. Jesus and Muhammed. They're the same person. Muhammed is the Arabic name and Jesus the Englishised name. And they both hate the jews. The only major difference is the name. Everything else is just stupid. The Christians had their extremists long ago, now days not so much. But the Islamics now have a large amount of extremists. Basically, their the same religion, but their simply different factions.

This makes no sense to me. And religion is the same.

Fuck off, Muhammed and Jesus were different people, Muhammed referred to the Jews as people of the book, and said that God (Allah) favoured them over other groups. Also neither Jesus nor Muhammed hated the Jews in any way, Jesus was Jewish himself for fuck sake. Both were born in different places, did different things, taught different lessons. And from what I gather, even though I have met very few likeable Muslims, there aren't that many extremists.

Hexadecimal
2008-09-06, 08:27
So you have Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, buddhism, all with a billion plus followers, and conflicting beliefs. The only thing they can agree on is that they all know they are right. That means that at least 3 of 4 of those religions are just made up. Technically, If you think you are right, that means that 3 huge mainstream religions are made up. Considering they share pretty similar supernatural crap, logically they must all be made up. You'd actually have to be retarded to not see this conclusion.

I contend that all four of those religions espouse the exact same core belief and that the separation of them into individual belief structures occurs only as a result of the religion being spread amongst multiple languages and being filtered through the imagery of different regional cultures.

Trace religion as far back as history allows us and you end up with the simple experience: the individual cannot succeed, help was needed, help was found when hope in everything known to be failed. Add several thousand years of divergences in human invention, literature, language, philosophy, etc. and you end up with several hundred thousand theological ideals all around the globe. Then add in war and the lesser manifestations of destruction and you're down to about 30 major theologies. All sourced in the same experience, all added to and adapted to diverging cultures over the ages. Look closely, and you'll see that they're still identical. If people want to pretend one culture's presentation of the experience is more accurate than another...whatever helps them sleep at night, I guess.

Cordova
2008-09-13, 01:41
I think Judaism is more mainstream than Budhism.

Just throwing that out there.

IamCancer
2008-09-13, 02:29
All I know is I am Right and while I'm in heaven fucking my bitches and shizzz I'll be qatching you burn in your version of hell.

Agent 008
2008-09-13, 16:49
All I know is I am Right and while I'm in heaven fucking my bitches and shizzz I'll be qatching you burn in your version of hell.

"Fucking bitches" is a sin, and therefore you need to go to hell to indulge in that.

All you can do in heaven is play chess with the archangels and maybe chat to God occasionally, although I've heard he's not a very nice person. I bet they even keep the female angels separate so as to not tempt you.

I bet Lucifer even has access to Totse down there, after all the reason he got kicked out of Heaven was because he was all about information and freedom of speech.

The Methematician
2008-09-14, 11:18
I bet Lucifer even has access to Totse down there, after all the reason he got kicked out of Heaven was because he was all about information and freedom of speech.

Are you saying that Jeff would rot in hell when he dies,

or;

Are you saying that Jeff is the creation of Lucifer ?

or;

Are you saying that totse is created as a temptation to lure us to hell ????

Agent 008
2008-09-14, 13:02
Are you saying that Jeff would rot in hell when he dies,

or;

Are you saying that Jeff is the creation of Lucifer ?

or;

Are you saying that totse is created as a temptation to lure us to hell ????

First of all, what I am saying is that Hell is not necessary a bad place for bad people.

Where do the religious people get information about Heaven and Hell? From God, indirectly or, as some people claim, directly (the Holy Writings, Messiahs and prayers accordingly).
Basically, they only get one point of view about the matter, and that point of view is God.
God essentially has the monopoly on religious mass media. Of course he's going to say that he is always right, he is the best, his rules are not to be questioned, Heaven is the place to be, Lucifer is a baddie and was kicked out of Heaven justly, and that Hell is a complete dump, full of pain and suffering, and absolutely unbearable.
What about Lucifer's point of view? We don't have it. As such, we can make out what God stands for:
1). He is against the Freedom of Speech (at least against the freedom of speech for anyone He doesn't like)
2). He is for monopolisation of power and mass media.

I believe that the Truth can only be found in a fair discussion, in which all the willing parties are allowed to take part irregardless of the popularity of their views.

Unless I see a fair debate between at the very least God and Lucifer, I cannot really say anything about Heaven or Hell, because until then I am not in possession of the relevant information.

Hope I have made my point clear.

The Methematician
2008-09-14, 16:06
First of all, what I am saying is that Hell is not necessary a bad place for bad people.

Where do the religious people get information about Heaven and Hell? From God, indirectly or, as some people claim, directly (the Holy Writings, Messiahs and prayers accordingly).
Basically, they only get one point of view about the matter, and that point of view is God.
God essentially has the monopoly on religious mass media. Of course he's going to say that he is always right, he is the best, his rules are not to be questioned, Heaven is the place to be, Lucifer is a baddie and was kicked out of Heaven justly, and that Hell is a complete dump, full of pain and suffering, and absolutely unbearable.
What about Lucifer's point of view? We don't have it. As such, we can make out what God stands for:
1). He is against the Freedom of Speech (at least against the freedom of speech for anyone He doesn't like)
2). He is for monopolisation of power and mass media.

I believe that the Truth can only be found in a fair discussion, in which all the willing parties are allowed to take part irregardless of the popularity of their views.

Unless I see a fair debate between at the very least God and Lucifer, I cannot really say anything about Heaven or Hell, because until then I am not in possession of the relevant information.

Hope I have made my point clear.

:eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Are you aware that you had just upheld Buddhism as the *only* true religion ???

In Buddhism, there ain't no heaven and hell. There's only a state of enlightenment, the nirvana....

In Buddhism, there aint no censorships nor are there any punishment for un-orthodox/controversial opinions, only questions, and lots and lots of questions....

And the only thing Buddha is asking for is : seek the truth...

Come, let us follow Him....

wolfy_9005
2008-09-18, 06:43
^ At least Buddhism makes sense(except the no alcohol, no meat, etc)

Fuck off, Muhammed and Jesus were different people, Muhammed referred to the Jews as people of the book, and said that God (Allah) favoured them over other groups. Also neither Jesus nor Muhammed hated the Jews in any way, Jesus was Jewish himself for fuck sake. Both were born in different places, did different things, taught different lessons. And from what I gather, even though I have met very few likeable Muslims, there aren't that many extremists.

Ever played chinese whispers over 5 minutes? The story always changes. Now make it 5000 years, and get back to me. And they had to translate it, so it's gonna be different anyway. Also, the muslims are at war with the jews still. The christians are still at war with the muslims and jews, and Buddhism is still there, trying to stay peaceful, and sticking to themselves