does jesus approve of blazing?
scripture's please

Apparently you arent ever supposed to harm your own body, and while marijuana has positive effects, it also has negetive effects, most christians will say dont do it. However, by this logic you should never take prescription medicine that has ANY negetive side effects at all, eat fatty foods, ect.

Apparently you arent ever supposed to harm your own body, and while marijuana has positive effects, it also has negetive effects, most christians will say dont do it. However, by this logic you should never take prescription medicine that has ANY negetive side effects at all, eat fatty foods, ect.

I think fatty foods harm your body more than marijuana.
Marijuana isn't that hard on your lungs if your smoking through a pipe. My family is christian and they say blazing is bad and im gona go to hell for doing it etc etc.
i just wan't to see a scripture where it says its bad or not

I think fatty foods harm your body more than marijuana.
Marijuana isn't that hard on your lungs if your smoking through a pipe. My family is christian and they say blazing is bad and im gona go to hell for doing it etc etc.
i just wan't to see a scripture where it says its bad or not

The bible never directly refers to it but christians generally agree that anything that alters your conscience is a no no.

The bible never directly refers to it but christians generally agree that anything that alters your conscience is a no no.

ahh
alright

ahh
alright

Btw if your parents are honestly putting ideas in your head that youre going to burn in hell for all all eternity for smoking a plant, even if you are an otherwise law abiding citizen, then I would suggest emancipating yourself because they are obviously unfit for parenting.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

Btw if your parents are honestly putting ideas in your head that youre going to burn in hell for all all eternity for smoking a plant, even if you are an otherwise law abiding citizen, then I would suggest emancipating yourself because they are obviously unfit for parenting.

naw dude Yes my parents are crazy but don't trip. I can handle them.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

so thats a ''yes jowie, you can blaze'' ?

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

But this obviously doesnt include ALL plants. You wouldnt eat poison ivy would you?

true.
so it just brings up an argument?
theres no fucking answer?

i just looked in my bible genesis9:3 and it doesnt say the green herb specifically.
so damnit.

true.
so it just brings up an argument?
theres no fucking answer?

i just looked in my bible genesis9:3 and it doesnt say the green herb specifically.
so damnit.

Even if you did find a way to interpret the Bible in a way that says its OK to blaze, and then presented this arguement to your parents, it wouldnt matter to them. I can almost guarantee that yours parents' justification for not allowing you to smoke pot isnt because the bible says so, but rather because of the amount of anti-marijuana propaganda they have been subjected to in the past that has warped their view on the subject.

Well i guess regardless i have to honor my mother and fathers wishes.

I blazed for 4 years and now im getting drug tested my first one is friday, and ill fail cuz ive smoked everyday for the last 4 or 5 months.
But I guess ill quit till im 18 and out of the house

But this obviously doesnt include ALL plants. You wouldnt eat poison ivy would you?
Probably not, because it damages your temple.
But marijuana doesn't damage your temple, it actually encourages brain growth and gives you a different angle of reality. Which I think is a necessary part of growing up.
Of course it does put a lot of tar in your lungs, but that damage can be reversed with a little bit of discipline.

Personally, I don't think there is any legitimate reason why Christians believe they should not smoke pot/use drugs. But they feel that someone else has better answers then they can find on their own, they feel that they are dependent on a religion for answers. It is an old, rusty, corrupt system.

Including Christianity, most religions seem to have originated from astrology, ritual drug use and the anthropomorphizing of the observations made and experiences had.

If you're worried about mom and dad being pissed then take the precautions you feel are necessary. Don't be worried that you're doing something that will change anything that might happen when you die; you don't know that and neither does anyone else. If you're interested in what exactly people meant when they said "God" before organized religion and before the telephone game changed it all into stories about people, then keep on puffing and contemplate whats happening to you.

Organized religion itself is shit, so I'd say it doesn't matter.


Pack a bowl and think about that.

A burning bush talked to Moses and it was god talking to Moses wasn't it you think it was a burning bush or Moses smoking the bush what ever the plant was I don't know

Doesnt relate to your question but I think you all will find this (http://realmagick.com/articles/22/322.html) article interesting.


I think the main reason Christians are against marijuana is because it is illegal and it would look bad to support an illegal activity.

http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm

But this obviously doesnt include ALL plants. You wouldnt eat poison ivy would you?

Go forth and poison ye.

Doesnt relate to your question but I think you all will find this (http://realmagick.com/articles/22/322.html) article interesting.


I think the main reason Christians are against marijuana is because it is illegal and it would look bad to support an illegal activity.

Maybe. Then again, some good God-fearing Christians have no problem with bombing abortion clinics and killing gays. . . .

IMHO, Xians oppose blazing because it makes you feel good right away and there is no hangover to speak of.

Of course, long-term use results in COPD, cancer and other unpleasantness, but what the hell. . . .

i still dont know the answer
lol
:/

i still dont know the answer
lol
:/

Jesus isn't here to give you an answer.

Christianity is corrupt.

Plants are not inherently evil.

Maybe. Then again, some good God-fearing Christians have no problem with bombing abortion clinics and killing gays. . . .


and I know several God-fearing Christians that have no problem with smoking marijuana.

I think the people who bomb abortion clinics and kill gays would probably be wrecking havoc regardless of if the church told them gays and abortion are evil. I think that some people just will do things regardless of what society considers good or bad, society will just influence how they go about them. Just the same there are people will never smoke marijuana regardless of how accepted it is. I have to admit that I find the people in the middle who do what they are told to the be the most dangerous....


I remember reading somewhere something along the lines of "How people worship God tells us about people, but tells us nothing about God"

Of course, long-term use results in COPD, cancer and other unpleasantness, but what the hell. . . .

I disagree:

(Here's where I demonstrate my acceptance of my perception.)

After googling 'cannabis cause copd' the first result I got was this (http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/155/1/141) , an eight year* study which claims the opposite you do. That regular cannabis use causes no acceleration in decline of lung function with age and has no association with COPD.

*Long term.

Sure, smoking a lot of pot can harm the lungs. I can personally testify to that. But according to that study, it doesn't contribute to COPD.

It has also been known for sometime now that THC destroys precancerous cells, which is probably why it is so rare for pot heads to develop lung cancer. But who says you have to burn it to get high?

I'm not sure what you mean by other unpleasantness, but I suppose if they wanted to smoke pot enough they could just choose not to suffer that unpleasantness, right? ;)?

Anyways ... I think you would enjoy this (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_writings6.shtml) article Arms. Highs do not come in joints.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

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This is how I see it [I am a christian, btw]:

There is no verse in the bible that says specifically, "thou shalt not indulgeth in the chroniceth"

But, it's kinda of like how we're not supposed to get shitfaced when we're drinking.. Even Jesus drank wine..

I think it's not a big deal if you smoke a bowl.. but the thing is that you have to be disciplined enough to know when to stop..

It's not okay when you no longer have control over your conscience or your judgment anymore..

Ephesians 5:18, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit."

I think this rule applies to anything that has potential to alter your mind..

Genesis 1:29:
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. " (King James Version)

"And God said, See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the land and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food."
(Amplified Bible)


Collins Concise Dictionary:
food 1. any substance that can be ingested by a living organism and metabolized into energy and body tissue.
3. anything that provides mental nourishment or stimulus.

Genesis 1:29

I always found the meat quote particularly interesting seeing as mary jane seeds produce more plant protein then any other plant (including soybeans), as well as certain amino acids important to human health.



Also some fun facts regarding automobiles: The first diesel engines made by Rudolf Diesel were designed to run on hemp seed oil. Henry Ford also liked hemp:

Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.

And as far as biomass fuels go, other plants cannot produce nearly as much biomass as pot. And as far as cellulosic ethanol goes, hemp hurds (a by-product of the fiber industry) are at least 70% cellulose.

http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm

Thanks for sharing that. maybe it will open up some assholes mind a bit.

I think most Christians would say it's immoral because it's illegal. But so is stoning your unruly children to death and forcing a woman to marry her rapist... but I'm taking those out of context...

to quote the chapelle's show:

"let he who is with out sin throw the first rock, and i shall smoketh it"

I asked the retards:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080930235927AAcGkOK

"god" gave it to our earth, so it must be perfectly fine.

Basically, if you feel like your "wronging" "god", just smoke bushies, not hydros.

You know what i mean?

A burning bush talked to Moses and it was god talking to Moses wasn't it you think it was a burning bush or Moses smoking the bush what ever the plant was I don't know

This part of the bible was referring to a UFO in the sky communicating with moses, this is a recurrent theme in the bible and all religious text, why do you think they associate the sky with gods or deities and heaven. :eek:

The Vedas, which I believe in, condemn all intoxication. This is strict, but it has many more advantages than disadvantages. Besides, devotional chanting of the holy names brings a much better high. And you get to munch out on prasadam, vegetarian food offered to Krishna. Prasadam is actually anything offered to Him for His enjoyment such as flowers, incense, fire, water, etc. It literally means "God's mercy".

I think Christians are hypocrites because they fast and pray all day. They starve themselves that affects their body.

This part of the bible was referring to a UFO in the sky communicating with moses, this is a recurrent theme in the bible and all religious text, why do you think they associate the sky with gods or deities and heaven. :eek:

Lol UFO. The sky is associated with gods or deities and heaven because it is the unknown and the infinite

The Vedas, which I believe in, condemn all intoxication. This is strict, but it has many more advantages than disadvantages. Besides, devotional chanting of the holy names brings a much better high. And you get to munch out on prasadam, vegetarian food offered to Krishna. Prasadam is actually anything offered to Him for His enjoyment such as flowers, incense, fire, water, etc. It literally means "God's mercy".

Some people don't think of a marijuana high as 'intoxication'

The only problem is this, coming from a VERY Christian family I know that you probably won't be able to change their minds. It's sucks,I know. They've simply been instilled with a fear of such mind-altering substances, and the irony behind it all is that the people who told your parents all of this bull-shit were the same assholes smoking joints and dropping acid every day in the 60's. (BTW, Coked Out Hippies are the WORST, I have NO idea how the fuck we got on the topic of making biscuits, but by damn you've never talked about it till you've talked about it for 4 hours)
Christianity as a whole has been perverted by people like Billy Graham and the other evangelists to fit their expectations and how they wish to live their lives.
Unfortunately you are looking a book that was written in one language, translated to another, then translated to Latin and further into just about every other language in the world today. The problem being this: One person working too late could fuck up one word and change the entire meaning of the statement. Just look to it for guidance, take the lessons from it and you will be able to follow God's will. In fact it's pretty much said that if nothing else Love God and Do to other people what you'd want done to you. I don't think I'll be arresting anyone for thinking differently than I do today...;)

being that marijuana is illegal smoking it would be in violation of Romans 13. and it does say in the talmud that one should not use substances that alters one's thinking.

being that marijuana is illegal smoking it would be in violation of Romans 13.

There is no mention of marijuana or any other drug in the 10 commandments. You think laws like this (unjust) are really the important ones? You think Jesus never broke the law? The law making marijuana illegal came about relatively recently and because of racism and business. And it's not illegal everywhere.

You know what's funny, I'm a an atheist, and even I know that Jesus was given three things by wise men when he as born. 1. Frankinsense 2. Myrrh(sp) 3. Gold
History has been skewed a little bit about what these things were and now it's been changed to something else. At that time though, frankinsense was hashish. Myrrh was an opiate, and gold was still gold. At this time, these things weren't seen as mind altering drugs, but as medicine that held holy importance. They allowed you to communicate with god. The used to dissolve the hash and opiates into olive oil to make a holy oil. They then applied it to your forehead, which has major vein running through it. It would then enter the bloodstream through osmosis, and would get you high as a kite. This is how Jesus cured people, or did you think it was magic. The use of marijuana was incredibly widespread throughout the world, and I think it was 200 years ago or less, it was mandatory that you grew marijuana in England, and you were fined if you didn't. Actually, right up until they prohibited drugs at the beginning of the 20th century, Cocain was used as an anti-depressant, and marijuana was used to level you while on it. Very effective actually. Opiates were common place as well, and used during the world wars as a pain killer. That's why the poppy is the symbol of remembrance for the fallen soldiers and those who fought in that war. Really, it's only been about the last 100 years or so there was any objection to the use of marijuana or drugs in general. I think people are just stupid, and don't realize that after alcohol prohibition ended because it was fueling organized crime, drug prohibition became the norm. Why, cause it's fucking profitable to prohibit things, when the government and those who run it can make sure they are the only ones selling it. It's about money, and drugs aren't against God. The bible even ok's the consumption of liquor, which is much worse than pot, but it does talk moderation.

The bible never directly refers to it but christians generally agree that anything that alters your conscience is a no no.

kinda like that wine jesus drank...

being that marijuana is illegal smoking it would be in violation of Romans 13. and it does say in the talmud that one should not use substances that alters one's thinking.

Like ... sugar, LOL fair go! Lot's of things alter thinking including naturally occurring, endogenous, opiates and hormones.

If you use Romans 13 to support prohibition, how does following man made laws apply to the despots like Pol Pot or Hitler. Does that mean because there was a law made by the nazi government, it was ok for Hitler's followers to gas the jews?

The Vedas, which I believe in, condemn all intoxication. This is strict, but it has many more advantages than disadvantages. Besides, devotional chanting of the holy names brings a much better high. And you get to munch out on prasadam, vegetarian food offered to Krishna. Prasadam is actually anything offered to Him for His enjoyment such as flowers, incense, fire, water, etc. It literally means "God's mercy".

Hare Krsna Fagget

I think a lot of the crap about "not altering ones consciousness" has more to do with social control then being alright in God's eyes.

For one, it is shitty to have to deal with really drunk people. Therefore, I can understand why they would make a 'rule' against that.

But drugs were also used by the shamans and magic men to speak with God. I think after the development of different 'classes' within society, the priest class (or whatever) decreed that only they were the ones who could speak with God, so that they could rule however they saw fit.

Smoking weed is a no-no by many, many christians on 2 accounts (that I know of):

1) Harms you physically, and provides no positive benefit to health (unlike prescription drugs)

2)Alters your mind. IMO though, since everything alters you mind (Chocolate, being dehydrated, working out all create chemical changes in your brain) that only things that alter your mind in a way in that you'll be less able to defend you faith, or uphold you moral standards should be prohibited. Some dominations ban caffeine and such. IMO only things like recreation drugs, excessive alcohol, etc. should be bad.


Keep in mind even if you don't think number 1 is true, and you don't care about number 2 marijuana still alters your brain chemistry in a way that man wasn't intended for.

Keep in mind even if you don't think number 1 is true, and you don't care about number 2 marijuana still alters your brain chemistry in a way that man wasn't intended for.

"Intention" is a funny word. Don't even get me started on intentions; God doesn't command schizophrenics to be killed because they have a "brain chemistry that man wasn't intended for". Give me a fucking break, everyones' brain chemistry is unique and cannabinoids are naturally found in the brain.

Also, #1 is blatantly false, but this isn't BLTC so I won't dwell on it. You can look up the research yourself.

Probably not, because it damages your temple.
But marijuana doesn't damage your temple, it actually encourages brain growth and gives you a different angle of reality. Which I think is a necessary part of growing up.
Of course it does put a lot of tar in your lungs, but that damage can be reversed with a little bit of discipline.

Well the reference to the body as a temple was really only in the context of mad crazy sex, according to Paul at least.

Blaze.

Smoking weed is a no-no by many, many christians on 2 accounts (that I know of):

1) Harms you physically, and provides no positive benefit to health (unlike prescription drugs)

2)Alters your mind. IMO though, since everything alters you mind (Chocolate, being dehydrated, working out all create chemical changes in your brain) that only things that alter your mind in a way in that you'll be less able to defend you faith, or uphold you moral standards should be prohibited. Some dominations ban caffeine and such. IMO only things like recreation drugs, excessive alcohol, etc. should be bad.


Keep in mind even if you don't think number 1 is true, and you don't care about number 2 marijuana still alters your brain chemistry in a way that man wasn't intended for.
Number one is wrong, as you said we may think (or know, more like)

And, how do you know that brain chemistry isn't meant to be altered? It alters itself throughout our entire lives. Perhaps drugs are the next step...up? or down to something...

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).

I think he only takes offense when you smoke the tree of knowledge.

No. you are allowed to use drugs. period. nothing in the bible states that you can not use mind altering drugs. any christian that says otherwise is not fit to call themselves a christian, because christ told them to be as wise as serpents and they are being fucking morons.

no man has the right to tell another what to do, except to prevent him from harming or hindering another. that goes all the way to the top. the laws stating that you can not use drugs are illegitimate decrees enforced by armed thugs. they can be morally ignored.

http://christiansforcannabis.com/

:p

Opiates are the mass of my religion.

(I mean 'drugs' in general--not opiates specifically.)

I'm not a Christian, but I am a pothead. I can't cite Bible references to throw at your parents, but the link I just posted could probably help you with that.

I do think that JC was probably someone who would get along better with heads than uptight Moral Majority feebs. If Jesus were to cast his eyes upon his latter-day fan clubs he'd probably weep more than he did while being crucified - at least that experience had to END at some point, but monotheist inanity never seems to end.

We've been looking at a couple of millennia of doctrines that seem to constantly revolve around the idea of repudiating impulse-based joy and replacing it with the idea of joy..with righteousness and 'the holy spirit' which is joy in the abstract. If it's physical, they call it 'worldly' and thus 'not with God'. It's not just Christians who do this. Muslims and orthodox Jews can be just as tedious about it. It all depends on the sect.

The thing that makes it inane is that if God made life, why would God create humans with these impulses in the first place if they are so evil? Why don't humans, like most animals, only get horny when they want to make babies? And why would our brains be wired to receive the molecular keys of certain plant compounds in a way that results in JOY if God did not want human beings to take drugs? Oh, but God isn't supposed to have to explain why he does ANYTHING, he's to be taken as perfect, end of story.

They keep harping on and on: ya want to be on God's team, ya have to stick to agape love. If you enjoy sex (eros) for purposes other than procreation, and/or with someone you've not dedicated your life-span and your living space to (and it has to be in the OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY-binding way or it won't COUNT) then that means you are "in league with the devil'.

It's crazy, these do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Obsession with either 'spiritual' or 'material' things can drive you mad. Obsession with impulse-based pleasures (sex and drugs) or obsession with resisting impulses and replacing them with the abstract pleasure of agape and the righteousness of being 'pure' can drive you mad. Here I define obsession as being so taken up with something you lose awareness of everything else.

All this said: I am fairly obsessed with drugs. A little? I ADORE THEM. Don't try to emulate me, it doesn't seem to work on other people as well, for some reason I am too stoned to try to figure out

Good luck on getting yourself some better parents. Parents 2.0 is fairly stable but sometimes their permissiveness gets so wide that if you don't build your own firewalls, you could end up with stuff in your system that will slow it down, choke it, or erase everything. Parents 2.0 won't protect you from anything, but also won't throw NetNanny over every window and door to the outside world.

Too bad you don't get offered as much choice in the realworld as you do on your computer.

Smoking weed is a no-no by many, many christians on 2 accounts (that I know of):

1) Harms you physically, and provides no positive benefit to health (unlike prescription drugs)

2)Alters your mind. IMO though, since everything alters you mind (Chocolate, being dehydrated, working out all create chemical changes in your brain) that only things that alter your mind in a way in that you'll be less able to defend you faith, or uphold you moral standards should be prohibited. Some dominations ban caffeine and such. IMO only things like recreation drugs, excessive alcohol, etc. should be bad.


Keep in mind even if you don't think number 1 is true, and you don't care about number 2 marijuana still alters your brain chemistry in a way that man wasn't intended for.

1. Unlike prescription drugs? Sorry, but prescription drugs do have a tendency to cause some nasty side effects. And how many prescription drugs have been recalled do to serious problems, in many cases resulting in deaths? Think of how many people die each year from prescription drug use [and I'm talking doctor prescribed, not people abusing rx pills] and reevaluate this statement.

2. So being dehydrated does not leave you unable to defend your faith? And once again, we get back to prescription drugs, which alter your mind equally or more depending on what you're taking.

And your final statement is pretty much the same as #2. Its not like people who smoke weed end up mentally deficient in some way.

I see no problem with marijuana. Scripture says, "All seed bearing plants that bring forth fruit of it's own kind is good."

Does marijuana meet the requirements? Yes!
I'm not going to argue that!

I think it should be legal. So does Ron Paul! (Who is still running for president as a third-party.) Eh, but he asked his voters not to vote for him. Which is crazy! He said if he's not on the ballot it wouldn't count. I'm probably still going to write him in. He's on the ballot in 13 states. Can you image the shock of americans if he was elected?

Scripture says, "All seed bearing plants that bring forth fruit of it's own kind is good."



Matt Lauer says: "Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two but can't remember what they are."

Matt Lauer says: "Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two but can't remember what they are."

He's referring to Anandamide (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/anandamide), which may or may not be found in minute amounts in chocolate and is actually pretty easy to make for yourself:

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2166127&

Starts on post 18

Matt Lauer says: "Researchers have discovered that chocolate produces some of the same reactions in the brain as marijuana. The researchers also discovered other similarities between the two but can't remember what they are."

LoL!!! Too cute!

He's referring to Anandamide (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/anandamide), which may or may not be found in minute amounts in chocolate and is actually pretty easy to make for yourself:

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2166127&

Starts on post 18

"Both anandamide and exogenous cannabinoids like THC enhance food intake in animals and humans, an effect that is sometimes called the 'marijuana munchies.' "

LoL!!! I never called it the 'marijuana' munchies.. I simply said.. Munchies! These scientific wordings really miss the lingo of a stoner! "Oh dude, I have the marijuana munchies." Um, nah dawg. It's munchies! "I drank these Jeagar bombs, and dude! I totally have the 'Alcohol munchies'." <~I don't think so! How 'bout, "Let's go to Waffle House?"

The bible never directly refers to it but christians generally agree that anything that alters your conscience is a no no.

Well, they down wine every mass. What about that?

light up a joint, I bet god is hitting the bong on his cloudy throne. So, Yes. He Does Approve. I talked to him once when I was high, hes a pretty cool guy... He's like a hippy that went to Yale.