that a civillian can make or purchase legally that would stand a chance against armored vehicles?

Molotov cocktails the only option?
I'm not asking for instructions, just give me the names.

You could get a destructive device license...

Depends on the armor but absolutely. Most centerfire hunting rifles with a steel core bullet load will penetrate light armor.

The question you should be asking isn't what weapon, but what caliber and what load.

Depends on the thickness of your armor and the range you expect to be shooting at.
7.62x39 will quite capably handle most commercial armor for cars, as will .30-06, 7.92x57, .308, .338 Lapua, .408 Chey-Tac, and of course the famed .50 BMG
Hundreds of legal weapons chambered in all of these calibers.

Depends on the thickness of your armor and the range you expect to be shooting at.
7.62x39 will quite capably handle most commercial armor for cars, as will .30-06, 7.92x57, .308, .338 Lapua, .408 Chey-Tac, and of course the famed .50 BMG
Hundreds of legal weapons chambered in all of these calibers.

The thing is, I don't exactly know if It'll ever happen or what kind of armor that could be deployed.
So I just want the biggest bang possible.
Since the abrams has no air conditioning molotovs may be the best available choice..

Depends on the armor but absolutely. Most centerfire hunting rifles with a steel core bullet load will penetrate light armor.

The question you should be asking isn't what weapon, but what caliber and what load.

Forgive my ignorance on the subject, I just want to be prepared for the worst possible scenario.

IED's anyone? :D

Sabotage. With the way the trend of PMCs are going, you could expect tank mechanics to be RIF'd and get hired as a tank mechanic contractor.

Aside from that, improvised EFP mines (best case probably you could go for a mobility kill), precision fire to disable thermal and optical sensors, and raids on depots while vehicles are stopped for maintenance. Taking on armored vehicles is not in keeping with the effective enabling of 4th Generation warfare. Manipulate the tactical situation so you're not going to run into armored vehicles (AVs). If it's not a choice, find a way to use an AV's strength against itself.

Successful assymetrical warriors find ways to not be too affected by the mighty nation state's armor and airpower, and best case, use it against them for purposes of morale (like when artillery or airstrike missions level a school, hospital, or church).

A really great resource on this type of thing is John Robb's book "Brave New War" and his blog http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/. Really interesting stuff.

Sabotage. With the way the trend of PMCs are going, you could expect tank mechanics to be RIF'd and get hired as a tank mechanic contractor.

Aside from that, improvised EFP mines (best case probably you could go for a mobility kill), precision fire to disable thermal and optical sensors, and raids on depots while vehicles are stopped for maintenance. Taking on armored vehicles is not in keeping with the effective enabling of 4th Generation warfare. Manipulate the tactical situation so you're not going to run into armored vehicles (AVs). If it's not a choice, find a way to use an AV's strength against itself.

Successful assymetrical warriors find ways to not be too affected by the mighty nation state's armor and airpower, and best case, use it against them for purposes of morale (like when artillery or airstrike missions level a school, hospital, or church).

A really great resource on this type of thing is John Robb's book "Brave New War" and his blog http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/. Really interesting stuff.

Thank you.
I figured that a good way to avoid a confrontation with one would be to set up as many obstacles as possible
possibly even blowing a road from underneath.

i saw some video a while ago about and thrown shaped charges that are used by militia in africa against tanks. the shaped charge ensures penetration without damage to the thrower. it had a little parachute on it to ensure that it always flew nose-cone first. anyone got the video?

if i were an angsty teen rioting in downtown paris in the year 2012, and the frenchies deployed APCs, i would probably try to get some black paint and covering their windscreen, or maybe a cloth or something.

Russian HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) grenades match your description.

Sabotage. With the way the trend of PMCs are going, you could expect tank mechanics to be RIF'd and get hired as a tank mechanic contractor.

Aside from that, improvised EFP mines (best case probably you could go for a mobility kill), precision fire to disable thermal and optical sensors, and raids on depots while vehicles are stopped for maintenance. Taking on armored vehicles is not in keeping with the effective enabling of 4th Generation warfare. Manipulate the tactical situation so you're not going to run into armored vehicles (AVs). If it's not a choice, find a way to use an AV's strength against itself.

Successful assymetrical warriors find ways to not be too affected by the mighty nation state's armor and airpower, and best case, use it against them for purposes of morale (like when artillery or airstrike missions level a school, hospital, or church).

A really great resource on this type of thing is John Robb's book "Brave New War" and his blog http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/. Really interesting stuff.

I'm curious how you would sabotage a tank. It's not like crushing a sharpening wheel and putting the dust into an oil filter that you poked holes in.

You could go for the batteries, but who knows.

I'm curious how you would sabotage a tank. It's not like crushing a sharpening wheel and putting the dust into an oil filter that you poked holes in.

You could go for the batteries, but who knows.

I suppose thermite to the main casters would fuck their day up.

Some of you guys are issing the point. A CIVILIAN can LEGALLY OWN device X that is capable of penetrating armor.

For lighter armor as in cars any decent calibre rifle would probaly do the trick.

For IFV's I guess a .50 is an option depending on where you live.

For tanks I guess your only option would be to get permits to handle and store high explosives. HOWEVER it is still illegal to use high explosives to construct IED's or similar devises clearly intended for military or terrorist use. I do know that there are states in the US where it is legal to own an RPG, dont know which ones though and I guess it would be tough as hell to convince them authorities you're in need of it for your sport/personal protection.

I suppose thermite to the main casters would fuck their day up.

M1 Abrahams use turbine engines instead of regular diesel/gasoline engines. This gives them several weak points. THe first is that a turbine engine needs a big air inlet to suck in air, this air is then sucked into the turbine via big propellors. Throwing a molotov in the inlet woulnd't do much since the air going into the turbine is going to be ignited anyway. THe vehicle is otherwise totaly shielded from the outside world, meaning that no liquid will seep through. Thermite being sucked into the turbine just might do some damage, not sure though since it might as well just be combusted along with the rest. What turbines can't have though is heavy objects hitting the propellor blades. Getting stones, chucks of metal in there would seriously fuck up the turbine and atleast immobalize the tank. However the inlets are shielded so that stuff thats to big can't get in. You'll have to remove those covers first.

If you trying to just stop a tank, an IED blowing of a track would be best and safest. However tracks are easily repaired too. If you have a .50 rifle you have no chance of penetrating its armour but the electronics generously applied on its turret are easily put out of commision by a barret or 12.6mm PTRD.

Equally effective are Anti-Tank trenches hidden from view. They work like cat traps. A tube is inserted into the ground at an agle where the cat can get in but can't climb out again. Digging a ditch like this and then hiding it, behind bushes, a wall, etc. and waiting for the tank to tumble in is often a good idea. Putting wood logs in an upright position on the bottom of the trench prevents the tank from moving around to much to try and gain momentum to climb out. In the Second World War the Germans often augmentented these trenches by hidden Tellermines, or soaking the ground in pitch and then igniting the trench once the tank is in.

For tanks I guess your only option would be to get permits to handle and store high explosives. HOWEVER it is still illegal to use high explosives to construct IED's or similar devises clearly intended for military or terrorist use. I do know that there are states in the US where it is legal to own an RPG, dont know which ones though and I guess it would be tough as hell to convince them authorities you're in need of it for your sport/personal protection.

if i was being engaged by an armor plated vehicle, i would guess that i would probably be on the wrong side of the law anyway, thus allowing me to disregard the legal issues of possessing destruction devices without a permit

I suppose thermite to the main casters would fuck their day up.

I was thinking about droping it down the bore of the gun.

I was thinking about droping it down the bore of the gun.

Good luck getting up there without being MG'd down.
Unless you did it while the tank is unoccupied.

Good luck getting up there without being MG'd down.
Unless you did it while the tank is unoccupied.

I'd infiltrate by getting a job as a mechanic.

If I had it my way i'd get the loading mechanism or where the shells are kept in the tank.

.50 bullets lathe turned from tungsten and handloaded into .50 BMG casings.

Or, as HIFH did with a .338 LM, sub caliber tungsten bullets in a sabot fired from a .50 BMG.


Now, I'm not saying these would stop tanks, I'm just saying these would be the easiest anti penetrating munitions to get ahold of.

M1 Abrahams use turbine engines instead of regular diesel/gasoline engines. This gives them several weak points. THe first is that a turbine engine needs a big air inlet to suck in air, this air is then sucked into the turbine via big propellors. Throwing a molotov in the inlet woulnd't do much since the air going into the turbine is going to be ignited anyway. THe vehicle is otherwise totaly shielded from the outside world, meaning that no liquid will seep through. Thermite being sucked into the turbine just might do some damage, not sure though since it might as well just be combusted along with the rest. What turbines can't have though is heavy objects hitting the propellor blades. Getting stones, chucks of metal in there would seriously fuck up the turbine and atleast immobalize the tank. However the inlets are shielded so that stuff thats to big can't get in. You'll have to remove those covers first.

If you trying to just stop a tank, an IED blowing of a track would be best and safest. However tracks are easily repaired too. If you have a .50 rifle you have no chance of penetrating its armour but the electronics generously applied on its turret are easily put out of commision by a barret or 12.6mm PTRD.

Equally effective are Anti-Tank trenches hidden from view. They work like cat traps. A tube is inserted into the ground at an agle where the cat can get in but can't climb out again. Digging a ditch like this and then hiding it, behind bushes, a wall, etc. and waiting for the tank to tumble in is often a good idea. Putting wood logs in an upright position on the bottom of the trench prevents the tank from moving around to much to try and gain momentum to climb out. In the Second World War the Germans often augmentented these trenches by hidden Tellermines, or soaking the ground in pitch and then igniting the trench once the tank is in.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/wallpaper/imgs/m1abrams005.jpg

Fuck blowing the tracks up, just blow a caster apart and they have to take it to a shop. bonus is they are all exposed.

Also:
The major application of uranium in the military sector is in high-density penetrators. This ammunition consists of depleted uranium (DU) alloyed with 1–2% other elements. At high impact speed, the density, hardness, and flammability of the projectile enable destruction of heavily armored targets. Tank armor and the removable armor on combat vehicles are also hardened with depleted uranium (DU) plates. The use of DU became a contentious political-environmental issue after the use of DU munitions by the US, UK and other countries during wars in the Persian Gulf and the Balkans raised questions of uranium compounds left in the soil (see Gulf War Syndrome).[8]

.50 bullets lathe turned from tungsten and handloaded into .50 BMG casings.

The problem lies with the fact that a hard metal like that will fuck up your bore within a small amount of shots. All your lathe turned solids are made of pure brass, bronze, or copper. If you wanted to have a tungsten or steel penetration core, you'd have to electroplate it with a soft metal jacket, which is not unheard of, but would have to be dead center and tight consistent. Think of a football with a weight on one side. How well would that fly, and for what range? The problem with sabots is that they're just not that accurate.

With such being the case, however, you probably couldn't expect to do much moar damage with that than with a normal FMJ, AP, API, or something like that. Especially since with small arms fire, you're still going to just be aiming for optical and electronic equipment on the exterior, as well as any other targets of oppurtunity.

The problem lies with the fact that a hard metal like that will fuck up your bore within a small amount of shots. All your lathe turned solids are made of pure brass, bronze, or copper. If you wanted to have a tungsten or steel penetration core, you'd have to electroplate it with a soft metal jacket, which is not unheard of, but would have to be dead center and tight consistent. Think of a football with a weight on one side. How well would that fly, and for what range? The problem with sabots is that they're just not that accurate.

With such being the case, however, you probably couldn't expect to do much moar damage with that than with a normal FMJ, AP, API, or something like that. Especially since with small arms fire, you're still going to just be aiming for optical and electronic equipment on the exterior, as well as any other targets of oppurtunity.

If you turn it on a lathe, the conducting surface is going to be rotationally symmetric. If you get a rotationally symmetric block of copper or lead to electroplate the bullet and place the electrodes along the rotational axes, you will end up with a fairly constant depth of metal along the surface of the projectile. This, of course, assumes that the resistance of the the bullet and sacrificial metal remain constant between the ends for all rotation.

Basically, I think it is possible to have a very good chance at getting a good plating of metal using DIY methods. At least good enough to land a hit where you want it with any rifle at reasonable distance.

that a civillian can make or purchase legally that would stand a chance against armored vehicles?

Molotov cocktails the only option?
I'm not asking for instructions, just give me the names.

Just look at the iraq. I.E.D 's. now I am not promoting attacking our own country just pointing out an IED could be made almost as easily in the homeland as in iraq.

Emergency reponse to terrorism is a cool college class. I am taking it right now and we learn all about the different methodologies of attack. i will definetly be keeping my terrorism handbook for operational responders because it is just so interesting. Ther is only 6 students in the class so it must be fairly new.

Just look at the iraq. I.E.D 's. now I am not promoting attacking our own country just pointing out an IED could be made almost as easily in the homeland as in iraq.

Emergency reponse to terrorism is a cool college class. I am taking it right now and we learn all about the different methodologies of attack. i will definetly be keeping my terrorism handbook for operational responders because it is just so interesting. Ther is only 6 students in the class so it must be fairly new.

I'd disagree with that. Alot of the IEDs are made with military explosives or improvised using artillery shells. Now, one might be able to make explosives at home (See also: Oklahoma Federal Building), but artillery shells coming with a primer, explosive, and nice packaging is not so easy to come by in the continental US.

What is the class like? I can't really figure anything else to say in that except "DONT PANIC!" and just give out medical advice for different cases of attack like explosives, chemical, biological, and subcritical nuclear attacks. What else is there to say, really?

Tell Putin you're starting a revolution and he'll send you all the RPGs you could use.

Tell Putin you're starting a revolution and he'll send you all the RPGs you could use.

That's a good fucking idea!!!!
what's his number?

1-900-PUTIN

Duh.

no. 555-0123

"The 12.7x108mm can be used to engage a wide variety of targets, including armored vehicles, as proven in both Iraqi wars. An M1A2 tank was heavily damaged by what the analysts believed was 12.7 mm fire from either a NSV or DShK machine gun at the gates of Baghdad International Airport on April 4 2003."

You guys are saying you couldn't damage a tank with a .50, could this quote from wiki be true?

I was thinking about droping it down the bore of the gun.

that was actually used as a stealthy sabotage tactic against enemy artillery batteries in WW2

"The 12.7x108mm can be used to engage a wide variety of targets, including armored vehicles, as proven in both Iraqi wars. An M1A2 tank was heavily damaged by what the analysts believed was 12.7 mm fire from either a NSV or DShK machine gun at the gates of Baghdad International Airport on April 4 2003."

You guys are saying you couldn't damage a tank with a .50, could this quote from wiki be true?

possible exaggeration. never seen the effects first hand, but i would expect engineers would have thought about militaries using large caliber weapons, and would prepare for it accordingly. i would guess it was repeated fire and it made lots of dents in the outside steel, so the untrained eye thought it was damaged

They could also have hit weak points like sights and tracks.

that was actually used as a stealthy sabotage tactic against enemy artillery batteries in WW2



possible exaggeration. never seen the effects first hand, but i would expect engineers would have thought about militaries using large caliber weapons, and would prepare for it accordingly. i would guess it was repeated fire and it made lots of dents in the outside steel, so the untrained eye thought it was damaged

Did the panel blow off? If not that the impact wasn't even strong enough to set off the ERA. Sometimes bystanders who arent educated in military vehicles will see a small explosion on a tank and think it got damaged but its only the ERA underneath doing its work, no real structural damage done, just some panels that need replacing.

If you can really get in close to do the nastywork, a few pounds of thermite will melt thru the engine compartment and destroy the engine, or in the case of a tracked vehicle, if it stops long enough, you could use thermite to burn thru the tracks and/or burn a hole in hatch, and drop in a Molotov cocktail. Failing that, Napalm and/or a flamethrower.

You could always make your own tank...
*dreams*

You could always make your own tank...
*dreams*

You could, you know?
Just find an old caterpillar, build a turret for it, mount your very own pipe smoothbore gun of the right diameter, and you're pretty much set.
Or you could go cheap and build a tank destroyer, without a turret.

You could, you know?
Just find an old caterpillar, build a turret for it, mount your very own pipe smoothbore gun of the right diameter, and you're pretty much set.
Or you could go cheap and build a tank destroyer, without a turret.

It can be done...
but I don't have 50,000$+ to spend
I like the tank destroyer idea..I'd armor it up

You could, you know?
Just find an old caterpillar, build a turret for it, mount your very own pipe smoothbore gun of the right diameter, and you're pretty much set.
Or you could go cheap and build a tank destroyer, without a turret.

Sweden's S Tank has no turret, but there are two distinct advantages. One, it's really low profile, two it has an auto reloading system, so it's ROF is increased significantly.

Give me a Merkava any day though.

As for a DIY main battle tank, there was a guy in Colorado who made a concrete shell for his CAT backhoe and rumbled over city hall with it. IIRC, the only reason the rampage ended was because he shot himself.

Anyway, I think his design could be significantly improved upon by the implementation of some steel plate, ceramics and cool paint. As for making a gun, you're probably better off making some low velocity design with an efficent warhead, like a direct fire mortar or rocket launcher. A big gun like that would take some pretty industrial scale machinery. Needless to say, it'd have pretty limited application against any other modern MBTs.

there was a guy in Colorado who made a concrete shell for his CAT backhoe and rumbled over city hall with it. IIRC, the only reason the rampage ended was because he shot himself.

Marvin Heymeyer, American hero.

Only swede's would build something as crazy as the S-tank or the Archer. (Imagine a Fh77B howizer on a dumper chassi)

You could build something like this on a Cat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtiger

or this:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/self_propelled_artillery/240mm/240mm.html

You could build something like this on a Cat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtiger


That's actually what I was thinking of.
10 years from now, it'll happen. Expect vid.

That's actually what I was thinking of.
10 years from now, it'll happen. Expect vid.

Oh I will. :D

"The 12.7x108mm can be used to engage a wide variety of targets, including armored vehicles, as proven in both Iraqi wars. An M1A2 tank was heavily damaged by what the analysts believed was 12.7 mm fire from either a NSV or DShK machine gun at the gates of Baghdad International Airport on April 4 2003."

You guys are saying you couldn't damage a tank with a .50, could this quote from wiki be true?

Well, that Wiki article is one of the decent ones that has a reference attached to it, so a little click click and I see pictures and a story.

"the machine-gun rounds ignited some oil or petroleum products packed in the bustle rack, or storage area outside a tank's turret, of an Abrams on the western edge of Baghdad, Voigt said. The fire spread to the external auxiliary power unit, then to the engine."

Heavily damaged?
The tank was completely fucking destroyed.
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/US-Field-Manuals/abrams-oif.pdf#prof
Check out page 9.
Oh, and check the link any way, it is a wonderful article that should be titled "the vulnerabilities and ways to destroy an abrams"
Googling images of the tank is a little tough though, it appears that two tanks were lost to engine fire early April 2003 and discerning between the 2 is a challenge.
But it does appear that fire is the "best" way to destroy one. Unless you have your own tank of course.
Pat

i would be more concerned with simply not allowing the tanks to concentrate their firepower, and worry more about the infantry support. if the tank has no soldiers around it, then hunting it would become fun and easy... stay out of site, peek and shoot anyone that mans the machine gun, come from behind it and board it, plink off electronics, etc. etc.

i would be more concerned with simply not allowing the tanks to concentrate their firepower, and worry more about the infantry support. if the tank has no soldiers around it, then hunting it would become fun and easy... stay out of site, peek and shoot anyone that mans the machine gun, come from behind it and board it, plink off electronics, etc. etc.

Big thing I see with that would be the fact that most tanks have either a coaxed MG or a remote operated MG so that they can fire their secondaries with hatches down.
Plus you start getting into concerns with thermal sights and all of a sudden peak and plink is answered by a 120mm HE round coming your way followed with a burst of .50 cal. Plus a lot of optics our hardened, on of the reasons that armies have developed 20mm AMRs, to take out hardened thermal sights. I regular bolt action or semi auto chambered in .30 cal will not do much against them. But then again, if they are stupid and strap a jerry of fuel to the outside of the tank...

http://www.militaryfactory.com/wallpaper/imgs/m1abrams005.jpg

Fuck blowing the tracks up, just blow a caster apart and they have to take it to a shop. bonus is they are all exposed.

Also:

By caster you are referring to the road wheels right?
http://www.militaryfactory.com/wallpaper/imgs/m1abrams005.jpg
If you take a look at the pic you linked to you will notice that they actually carry a spare, strapped to the back of the turret. Plus they can run for short periods with one of the intermediate wheels missing, if they lose an end road wheel (not the drive sprocket, but the first or last road wheel) they can still drive the tank if they short track the vehicle.

Big thing I see with that would be the fact that most tanks have either a coaxed MG or a remote operated MG so that they can fire their secondaries with hatches down.
Plus you start getting into concerns with thermal sights and all of a sudden peak and plink is answered by a 120mm HE round coming your way followed with a burst of .50 cal. Plus a lot of optics our hardened, on of the reasons that armies have developed 20mm AMRs, to take out hardened thermal sights. I regular bolt action or semi auto chambered in .30 cal will not do much against them. But then again, if they are stupid and strap a jerry of fuel to the outside of the tank...


remote operated MG's... fuck, that was a good idea.

since when did the military know it's business better then me?

i always wondered, what if you put a bullet right down the main gun of a tank?

I think you're all forgetting something.

I'm pretty sure a katana can cut through a tank.

i always wondered, what if you put a bullet right down the main gun of a tank?
Anyone here a member of the MythBusters forum (or w/e the fuck they use to get "Fan ideas"). Seriosly post it on there, it'd be interesting.

i would be more concerned with simply not allowing the tanks to concentrate their firepower, and worry more about the infantry support. if the tank has no soldiers around it, then hunting it would become fun and easy... stay out of site, peek and shoot anyone that mans the machine gun, come from behind it and board it, plink off electronics, etc. etc.

In an urban environment like mine, I'm willing to bet that I can spot more than 100 ambush spots on a single street.
If correctly set up, and assuming everyone assigned can shoot accurate at a distance of 50 feet, infantry wouldn't be much of a problem.

I think molotovs and thermite are the most practical things so far that can be used...I just need to figure out a way to make the thermite device able to be thrown so that people wouldn't have to do something as risky as running up to the tank and placing it up there...

remote operated MG's... fuck, that was a good idea.

since when did the military know it's business better then me?

i always wondered, what if you put a bullet right down the main gun of a tank?

They do require someone to hop up to reload them though... not the coax ones though... they are contained behind the armor.
A round into the main gun seems to me to be a good way to knock a tank out of service. Typically the gun is not left loaded so you are not going to blow the tank up, and if it was loaded you are not guaranteed to do anything especially if it is loaded with a penetrator. But chipping the barrel or breach block will render the gun inoperable... the same would be likely if you just opened up with a GMPG of HMG to the side of the barrel. The gun might still be able to fire in that case, but if I was the gunner I would be b-lining it back to maintenance to get it repaired/replaced. Sure I would fire at a tank shooting at me, but I am not going to risk my main gun exploding to open up on some guy plinking me with a hunting rifle.
Best way to take a tank out though is still fire. $1 of gas... wait, with prices these days... $5 bucks of gas in glass bottles tossed towards the air intake.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/M1-A1_Abrams_1.jpg
Or on the image right there, toss it at the over filled cargo area on the butt of the turret. Specifically aimed at that jerrycan of diesel fuel. Turn 2 liters of gasoline into 20 liters of fire.
If nothing looks burnable up there toss it at the air intake located at the back of the tank. You might set it on fire or you might just suffocate the engine... either way it is likely to stop the tank.

By caster you are referring to the road wheels right?
http://www.militaryfactory.com/wallpaper/imgs/m1abrams005.jpg
If you take a look at the pic you linked to you will notice that they actually carry a spare, strapped to the back of the turret. Plus they can run for short periods with one of the intermediate wheels missing, if they lose an end road wheel (not the drive sprocket, but the first or last road wheel) they can still drive the tank if they short track the vehicle.

Well, if one is to use thermite it would weld the caster to the track, thus the track needs several links replaced along with the caster. If you get close enough to use thermite, you might as well set more than one caster alight.

What if you fired on the smoke canisters? Would they ignite with normal ammunition? Would they ignite with incendiary ammunition?

+10 to anyone that can find pictures of naked Czech women "attacking" Soviet tanks.

I think you're all forgetting something.

I'm pretty sure a katana can cut through a tank.


Poles tried that back in '39. Didn't do them much good. ;)

Poles tried that back in '39. Didn't do them much good. ;)

Thats because they found those on eBay, they were fluukes and some chinese wholesaler went LMAO.

Use jedi lightsaber and level 3 jedi force manipulation. That pwns tank.

Thats because they found those on eBay, they were fluukes and some chinese wholesaler went LMAO.

Use jedi lightsaber and level 3 jedi force manipulation. That pwns tank.

I wonder if it would be technically possible to build a lightsaber.

I wonder if it would be technically possible to build a lightsaber.

i think i saw this somewhere, short answer is no. something to do with the whole light business

i think i saw this somewhere, short answer is no. something to do with the whole light business

That would have been so cool :(. But one can dream.
Anyways, kudos to George Lucas for his most wonderful Star Wars series.

What if you took away the oxygen intake to the turbine?

Wouldn't a molotov cocktail, as much as I hate to say it, burn all the oxygen away to at least stall the engine?

Also, say you fired a fire extinguisher directly into the intake, that should stall the engine

RPG is relatively simple.....just need an explosive charge, a detonator, and a copper cone, and maybe some pvc for el-cheaponess.

Or sticky bombs. Basically a grenade coated in tar connected to a stick. Worked against panzers atleast :)

Or a grenade down the barrel.

Or climb up on top of it and just shoot everyone inside.

climbing onto a tank and shooting into the hatch is probably harder then it looks.

What if you took away the oxygen intake to the turbine?

Wouldn't a molotov cocktail, as much as I hate to say it, burn all the oxygen away to at least stall the engine?

Also, say you fired a fire extinguisher directly into the intake, that should stall the engine

Fuel-air explosives are hard for DIY revolutionaries to detonate correctly and you wouldn't need to get right next to the tank in order to stall it, as opposd to a fire extinguisher. I think it would need to be a large extinguisher as well since the engine is really powerful (thus it sucks in a lot of air) and has alot of rotational momentum to keep it going in case it gets a fresh breath of oxygen when you get mowed down by gunfire.

if you gave me a fire extinguisher and told me to go kill that tank, i would just fucking laugh at you.

what if i stick the fire extinguisher down the main barrel?

what if i stick the fire extinguisher down the main barrel?

Lol, can you imagine the guys inside? If i were them I'd shit myself thinking it was nerve gas or some crazy shit.

climbing onto a tank and shooting into the hatch is probably harder then it looks.

I mentioned in another post that tanks usually travel in such a formation as to allow them to spray each other with coax fire in case of such situations. Just like grunts, you'll never find one alone. That's how they survive, strength in numbers. Simple concept that can be taken advantage of given the application of proper 4GW principles.

^Also very often together with infantry.

I mentioned in another post that tanks usually travel in such a formation as to allow them to spray each other with coax fire in case of such situations. Just like grunts, you'll never find one alone. That's how they survive, strength in numbers. Simple concept that can be taken advantage of given the application of proper 4GW principles.

but they wouldnt be able to position themselves like that in urban areas would they? and i wouldnt try to take on a tank in an open area, even with an RPG

i think i saw this somewhere, short answer is no. something to do with the whole light business

There amending that. You can't do it with a laser because theirs no way to bend the light in half, but you can apparently do it with plasma - it just takes a warehouse full of shit to get it to work like in the movies and apparently theirs no way to block other plasma sabers/blaster bolts, since light goes through light. I was thinking you could somehow get the plasma blade hollow and put some indestructible unfound asteroid alloy in the center like a collapsible baton, provided circuitry and power somehow evolves so you can hold that shit in your hand. If they wanted to they could probably make a light saber in the super hadron collider.

Run down of current hand held plasma torches;

http://www.pro-fusiononline.com/welding/plasma.htm

Lightsaber will eventually just become a big ass self sufficient welding torch.