Hello, I'm in Australia so I don't get to vote on who is the President of the United States of America, however I do hear all about the race to the white house.

If I got to vote I'd lean towards Obama. Why? Because he really does seem to talk the talk well, but you will know more than I do...Do you think he can back up what he says? And if he can, do you think he will or will he break his promises? Can his ideals work or are they unachievable dreams?


If you can answer these and the answers are good, I would recommend using your vote well...

Fuck you, you dirty criminal. You don't see us telling you who you should vote for King of the Dingos.

No politician can back up their word. They're all full of shit. Corruption in the government is systemic.

No politician can back up their word. They're all full of shit. Corruption in the government is systemic.

pretty much this. i can't guarantee that obama will keep his word or anything, but at least most of the things that i think he is going to lie about i already don't believe, if that makes any sense. i think that he is going to be pretty much solid on his foreign policy promises, if that's what your asking.

Fuck you, you dirty criminal. You don't see us telling you who you should vote for King of the Dingos.

No politician can back up their word. They're all full of shit. Corruption in the government is systemic.

Point taken but why don't YOU stop bitching about and actually doing something about it.

I like him based on the fact he says he will pull troops from a stupid war that he quoted as costing Americans (Not just Americans I can assure you...how much national debt do you have now...And I'M a criminal?) $10 Billion a month.

There's supposedly a global economic crisis and your other prime candidate wants to waste more money??

Politics is fucked, you have to decide who is the lesser of two evils assuming you want the lesser and not the greater (of two evils).

And fuck you, I'll do whatever I want, whether it's to tell you to vote who I want, to jump off a cliff, to stick your cock in a shoe, I own you :cool:

You have to realise you live in a supposedly mighty country and you're not just voting for your countries best interests but a whole lot of others. So fuck you if you make the wrong decision.

Fuck you, you dirty criminal. You don't see us telling you who you should vote for King of the Dingos.



Oh and I couldn't leave without pointing out how well your username reflects you personally, you're a fucking half wit, if that.

I didn't say who to vote for I said to use your vote well. Left to interpretation much? Think for yourself cunt.

Point taken but why don't YOU stop bitching about and actually doing something about it.

I like him based on the fact he says he will pull troops from a stupid war that he quoted as costing Americans (Not just Americans I can assure you...how much national debt do you have now...And I'M a criminal?) $10 Billion a month.

There's supposedly a global economic crisis and your other prime candidate wants to waste more money??

Politics is fucked, you have to decide who is the lesser of two evils assuming you want the lesser and not the greater (of two evils).

And fuck you, I'll do whatever I want, whether it's to tell you to vote who I want, to jump off a cliff, to stick your cock in a shoe, I own you :cool:

You have to realise you live in a supposedly mighty country and you're not just voting for your countries best interests but a whole lot of others. So fuck you if you make the wrong decision.

Oh and I couldn't leave without pointing out how well your username reflects you personally, you're a fucking half wit, if that.

I didn't say who to vote for I said to use your vote well. Left to interpretation much? Think for yourself cunt.

At least in your second post you acknowledge you are trying to tell people who to vote for, trying to throw it in my face like a snobby bitch, only to come back in this last post to deny it. It was clear you were telling people to vote Obama in the first post, thus me telling the guy from Oz to fuck himself . Fucking sheep fucker.

At least in your second post you acknowledge you are trying to tell people who to vote for, trying to throw it in my face like a snobby bitch, only to come back in this last post to deny it. It was clear you were telling people to vote Obama in the first post, thus me telling the guy from Oz to fuck himself . Fucking sheep fucker.

In my second post? It was my first and I said if I want to tell you who to vote, I will - Doesn't mean I did, you dense cunt.

You interpreted it that way - If I say I don't like the bible does that mean I hate Jesus and don't believe in god too?

The sheep fucker comment is so stupid, on so many levels. One is because it's not Australians that are stereotyped as sheep fuckers (except to morons that don't get the true joke), another is because juvenile comments are what you have been reduced to, and another element of your stupidity is your vocabulary (the lack of).

Are you going to vote or not?

Wait, what am I thinking...you're not ever old enough to vote are you? Are you wearing an anarchy shirt that you paid taxes on in a Walmart or something?

That's the impression I get from you, because of the stupidity that you are displaying.

And smart people are 'fucking sheep fuckers' to you, because that's your best insult for someone you can't outwit.

Go away and make room for someone that has a brain and a valid message to post instead of your crap.

Don't worry, I could use the ssystem so I don't have to pay attention to what you say but I won't. As stupid as you are you still deserve a voice, if only to ignore or to realise how the stupid people think so us smart people can exploit you by pretending we relate to your type...Which really explains why you think the system is corrupt :) Which it is, to cater to stupid people like you.

Jesus fucking Christ. This guy makes a perfectly reasonable post, asks for your opinions, and you start giving him shit for being Australian, and saying "omg teh government is all corrupt!11"? Grow the hell up, or keep the bullshit in SG with the rest of the retards.

To the OP:
For me, it comes down to Obama's intelligence and that he seems to have genuine integrity. I think McCain has poor character (picking a ridiculously inexperienced, naive VP, just to get women votes is perhaps the biggest example, though the type of bullshit he's been slinging at Obama recently is another great example), poor judgement, is too close-minded, and really isn't going to do a damn thing to change this country. I really don't give much of a shit about most of the issues, but the one that I do care about is healthcare, and Obama's plan to socialize it is great.

I live in Canada currently, and althoguh there are long waits for certain services (ie. up to 3 months to schedule an MRI), money is never an issue. Morons use socialized healthcare as a way to call Obama a "socialist" or "communist", and in my eyes, that kind of idiocy is only a small step up from being racist.

Anyways, it really looks like Obama has this race in the bag. I'm really excited.

I am also Australian.

Obama seems to be running a spin focused campaign, the same usual policies coated in a healthy helping of *CHANGE*.

When I look at Obama see "New Labour" and "Kevin 07".
I'm a little saddened that the US democrats haven't gone the full monty with Blairite politics and jettisoned their ideological baggage entirely, but I guess for that to happen Hillary would have had to won the primaries.

If I could vote I'd vote for McCain, but I would have considered voting for Hillary had she won the democrat primaries as I believe that she'd be pragmatic enough to, once president, listen to advisers, set her own agenda based on what needs to be done and tell Pelosi to fuck herself if necessary.

I am also Australian.

Obama seems to be running a spin focused campaign, the same usual policies coated in a healthy helping of *CHANGE*.

When I look at Obama see "New Labour" and "Kevin 07".
I'm a little saddened that the US democrats haven't gone the full monty with Blairite politics and jettisoned their ideological baggage entirely, but I guess for that to happen Hillary would have had to won the primaries.

If I could vote I'd vote for McCain, but I would have considered voting for Hillary had she won the democrat primaries as I believe that she'd be pragmatic enough to, once president, listen to advisers, set her own agenda based on what needs to be done and tell Pelosi to fuck herself if necessary.

Are you fucking retarded? McCain's policies are pretty much identical to Bush's. I mean, I doubt either candidate is going to be a massive difference from the past, but thinking McCain is going to do anything new is delusional.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I don't see much of a difference between Obama and McCain.

Nader!

Are you fucking retarded? McCain's policies are pretty much identical to Bush's. I mean, I doubt either candidate is going to be a massive difference from the past, but thinking McCain is going to do anything new is delusional.

Where the fuck did I say anything about what I thought McCain would be like?

You admit yourself that you don't think there's going to be a massive difference, so what the hell's your point?

To use your own ideas here:
-McCains policies are identical to Bush, Obama is not much different from McCain. So we can surmise that you also think Obama won't be much different from George Bush.

I am also Australian.

Obama seems to be running a spin focused campaign, the same usual policies coated in a healthy helping of *CHANGE*.

When I look at Obama see "New Labour" and "Kevin 07".


i would definitely agree with this. being from waaay down south myself, i see parallels in obama's campaign and rudd's campaign last year. both try to appear like a "fresh face" in a government that is supposedly old fashioned. i have also noticed that both are using the internet as a tool to rake in younger voters, as well as appearing to be fun loving. I have seen obama go on Ellen DeGeneres' show and rudd go on Rove (a comedic talk show, similar to that of Ellen)

however, the australian media, and i think the rest of the worlds media really only see america for their foreign policy, since thats the news that affects the rest of the world (well, the economy does too, but 95% of the people dont really watch or understand that part, and with the current crisis, people are starting to get into it.), so a lot of the views on this years candidates, the current administration and america in general by the australian media is only formed by things like the iraq occupation.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I don't see much of a difference between Obama and McCain.
damn straight

Where the fuck did I say anything about what I thought McCain would be like?

You admit yourself that you don't think there's going to be a massive difference, so what the hell's your point?

To use your own ideas here:
-McCains policies are identical to Bush, Obama is not much different from McCain. So we can surmise that you also think Obama won't be much different from George Bush.

I didn't say that Obama's not much different from McCain. I said that as president, we probably can't expect either one to be drastically different frmo the past.

McCain, as I said earlier, has poor character, poor judgement, and bad policies. Obama does not.

You said that Obama wasn't a change at all. That's not true, but for you to then say you'd prefer McCain is just absurd, given that the proposed McCain government would be pretty much identical to Bush.

EDIT: Hell, even McCain's foreign policy sucks. Dealing with enemies, he'd rather do the exact same, unsucessful thing that Bush did, instead of even trying a diplomatic approach.

So, what's the deal? Racist or just a moron? I can understand why there are going to be Americans for McCain...there are always going to be tons of assholes that are just completely attached to their political party, who won't be swayed by damn-near anything. However, I can't imagine an intelligent outsider really thinking that McCain is a better choice than Obama though unless he's got some type of prejudice against Obama.

Policy-wise I don't like either of them. I appreciate it's infuriating when some smart arse foreigner tells you how everything is better in their country and how shit things are in your country, but seriously, your two party system sucks balls. Notice how even in a supposedly informed and free thinking environment such as this forum, the threads have degenerated over a few months from actual discussion of policy ideas to tit-for-tat jibes at the other candidate. This is inevitable when you essentially only have two candidates running, it's so tempting to try and dig up shit on the other guy rather than going through the more arduous process of explaining why your guy's policy will benefit the country more.

I don't fully understand the write-in system; can you still write in candidates who dropped out of the party race earlier? If so, I would probably write in Kucinich. If not I'd either not vote or vote Obama, purely for the colour of his skin.

and tell Pelosi to fuck herself if necessary.


Yeah right! The only ones who would have done that were Paul and Kucinich. Everyone else loves her because she plays politics for them. We are talking about a woman who kept saying, when the Democrats were in the minority, that her party should be given the majority so they can hold the current Administration accountable. Now when people ask, "Where the fuck is shit storm of accountability?" She just says Congress is too busy with other stuff. Her house and office over here in San Francisco constantly have protesters surrounding them.

Most Congressional Members come back home on their vacations to listen to what their constituents want. You know... do their jobs. Being from one of the most liberal areas in this country and not doing the bidding of the angry liberals, no one ever sees her around here. If she ever does come home on vacation, she does a damn good job of moving around invisibly. I hope her district does kick her ass out for Sheehan. I'm not saying Sheehan actually belongs in government... because she really doesn't... but to show the rest of Congress that if they don't do their jobs they will get replaced. If the replacement has no qualifications for the job... so be it. They work for us, they should listen to us. Pelosi doesn't listen to anyone except the big spenders in Congress.

Can his ideals work or are they unachievable dreams?

The only thing worse than a politician is a naive and inexperienced politician.

[a] criminality is hereditary. We all know what australian is, it's just the british version of alcatraz....ie; prison island far away from the mainland. And just like ex-felons, they should not be allowed to exercise their rights, cos they'd chosen the path of wrong....there fore your need for opinion here is moot.

Skin color is every thing. Fact : black voters will absolutely vote Obama solely because he's black, like them. You might not want to believe this, our resident nigger here might not agree with this (although he KNOWS it's true), and even Obama himself knows about this, as we can see, he spent more of his time talking to white people, and all his electoral champaign are designed to best suite the liberal, white voters. Why ? Because he knew black voters will vote him regardless.

Therefore; it is the sacred duty for every white and proud American citizens to vote for the white guy, McCane, or.. Mac Can ...err.. whoever he is. All that matters is [B]HE'S WHITE !

p/s : And don't try to complain about the racist nature of the political system here, Australians too, is doing the same. Look at the Chinese-Australian MP that is in charge of environment-related something. She was elected JUST because she's a Chinese-Australian, because they don't want to be seen as 100% white parliament. Hell, she wasn't even an australian born to begin with! lol !

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I don't see much of a difference between Obama and McCain.

McCain seems to have policies based more on what is currently happening and what will be happening in the next 4 years. Whereas Obama seems like the guy running for class president that will put soda in all the water fountains and a slide from the top floor to the bottom floor.

He's increasing taxes in his words, [during] "the worst economic crisis since the depression." So jobs are dying, prices are rising. And he is going to destroy the income of the people that run this country. As romantic as it sounds, Main Street doesn't run the country. It's Wall Streets country. We just live in it.

I hope this post lingers until 2012 when Obama has already said "I can't do any of those things I promised, sorry." He'll probably be a lame duck anyways.

Dear 2012: I told you so.

P.S.: McCain is so bi-partisan, he was the only Republican in the Keating 5 scandal. Take that, you wretched oafs! McCain can make things work.

I didn't say that Obama's not much different from McCain. I said that as president, we probably can't expect either one to be drastically different frmo the past.

McCain, as I said earlier, has poor character, poor judgement, and bad policies. Obama does not.

You said that Obama wasn't a change at all. That's not true, but for you to then say you'd prefer McCain is just absurd, given that the proposed McCain government would be pretty much identical to Bush.

EDIT: Hell, even McCain's foreign policy sucks. Dealing with enemies, he'd rather do the exact same, unsucessful thing that Bush did, instead of even trying a diplomatic approach.

So, what's the deal? Racist or just a moron? I can understand why there are going to be Americans for McCain...there are always going to be tons of assholes that are just completely attached to their political party, who won't be swayed by damn-near anything. However, I can't imagine an intelligent outsider really thinking that McCain is a better choice than Obama though unless he's got some type of prejudice against Obama.

The 'deal' so to speak is the embracing of Blairite campaigning without the clear political realignment that usually comes with it.
I wouldn't support a social democratic party that hadn'd taken the walk to the center. (UK Labor under Blair, Australian Labor under Hawke/Keating and again under Rudd).
Regardless of McCain, Obama represents "change" for the worse.
The US isn't going to be invading any more countries anytime soon, regardless of who's in the white house.
It isn't that McCain is positive change, it's that Obama isn't a pragmatist in the way someone like Blair is, he's embraced spin-focused campaigning sure...
but the company he's kept, William Ayers, his church, tends to suggest he's a radical.
Nobody changes their political views so quickly... first he's happily sitting for years in a church that blames whitey for everything, including AIDS...
Meeting and greeting William Ayers?
what the hell?

I don't buy it that this is simply a coincidence.
Even on the left side of politics, there's a clear divide between left wing social-democrats/democratic-socialists, and trots. In most places far left kooks are marginalized even by people on the left of left wing political parties.
(This to me strikes me as being like one of the *local* politicians where I live hanging out with Rick Kuhn, a nutcase trot professor at a nearby uni)
It would be odd, but not worth bothering about. However questions have to be raised when someone is running for friggin president.

When I say he's the same old, I mean that he's advocating the same usual democratic catch cries (OMG HEALTHCARE!), while coming out with this mantra of "change".
At least "new" labour and social democratic parties around the world have the decency of having some sort of ideological shift before they go around acting as if they're the newest and most exciting thing since sliced bread.
He's advocating the same stuff as always.

I know McCain will probably be like Bush without the invasions, but I have no idea what Obama will be like.
If he measures up to his 'substance' then he'll probably just be a rubber stamp for a democratic congress.
And if the company he keeps does say something about his actual views? who knows.

[a] criminality is hereditary. We all know what australian is, it's just the british version of alcatraz....ie; prison island far away from the mainland. And just like ex-felons, they should not be allowed to exercise their rights, cos they'd chosen the path of wrong....there fore your need for opinion here is moot.

Skin color is every thing. Fact : black voters will absolutely vote Obama solely because he's black, like them. You might not want to believe this, our resident nigger here might not agree with this (although he KNOWS it's true), and even Obama himself knows about this, as we can see, he spent more of his time talking to white people, and all his electoral champaign are designed to best suite the liberal, white voters. Why ? Because he knew black voters will vote him regardless.

Therefore; it is the sacred duty for every white and proud American citizens to vote for the white guy, McCane, or.. Mac Can ...err.. whoever he is. All that matters is [B]HE'S WHITE !

p/s : And don't try to complain about the racist nature of the political system here, Australians too, is doing the same. Look at the Chinese-Australian MP that is in charge of environment-related something. She was elected JUST because she's a Chinese-Australian, because they don't want to be seen as 100% white parliament. Hell, she wasn't even an australian born to begin with! lol !

Troll evaluation:
-White nationalistic attitude, with adequate assertiveness, yet just keeping your head above an 'ignorant' label.
-knowledge of the presence of australians in this thread and attacking them in the method done in the post is sure to incite anger.
-use of adequate grammar and spelling increases believability, an important aspect of a good troll.
-Speaking with a preachy matter-of-fact tone also increases the troll rating.
-Deliberately mispelling the name of the republican candidate is sure to incite fury by the more liberal users.

overall, i would give it a score of 8.5/10 for trolling effectiveness. It would be better if you didnt write "...err.. whoever he is". it made it too obvious and a little overkill. Using stronger language, but without profanity would also benefit your trolling skills.

But still, good work.

Nobody changes their political views so quickly... first he's happily sitting for years in a church that blames whitey for everything, including AIDS...


Fun fact: All black people (to my knowledge, myself included) blame whites for AIDS.

The epidemic started when white scientists were fucking around with monkeys in Africa and infected the black population there.

Troll evaluation:

Oh,...tq....I would take your advice to my heart.....

and then next time I might want to send you a "for your consideration" copy first....

I used to be a strong Obamma supporter but lately i've talked to some iraq and afgan vets that explained to me their views about Obamma. . Now I like Obama but he kinda scares me. He's a strong young leader, an amazing public speaker and seems to have a lot of pull everywhere. The thing that scares me is that there are a lot of similarities between him and .......... Hitler. Hitler was an amazing public speaker, Obama is. Hitler had a symbol, Obama does too. Like Hitler, Obama will be coming in right after war has devastated their countries economies and to a general population that really needs a break from war and their economies rebuilt. I can think of more similarities but i'm on the clock and don't wanna get fired. The United States just seems TOO vulnerable right now and Obama simply seems too good to be true, and usually when people say that about something, it's bad news bears. Mccain, on the other hand seems like that little nerd always talking to some hot girl, not because she's hot but because she can sway people that he can not. he seems like the nerdy best friend telling his other nerdy/cool friend to not hang out with the popular kids, "YOU CAN'T TRUST HIM" he's totally right but we don't care cause he's not as cool as the cool kids with their alcohol weed and hot chicks. But fuck, usually that nerdy kid was right.

I can not offer you a reason to vote for either of them, for I don't think that another rich old white guy could possibly make the U.S.A.'s economic problems better than a black guy,

I just feel like i'm as much of a confused outsider as you are and you don't even live in the U.S.

doesn't matter who i vote for though. When a presidential nominee can lose the popular vote but win the electoral. What does it matter? I mean yea sure it's cool to exercise your rights but I like to exercise for a reason!

Now I like Obama but he kinda scares me. He's a strong young leader, an amazing public speaker and seems to have a lot of pull everywhere. The thing that scares me is that there are a lot of similarities between him and .......... Hitler.
i've heard this argument before and i'm not trying to downplay the dangers involved with ideolotry and hero worship with a charismatic public figure, but its kind of bullshit. if you look at the criteria you gave for looking "like hitler" you've pretty much described FDR, kennedy, reagan, bush, on and on (and that not even to mention other world leaders). again, leaders can be dangerous, but at the same time it kind of silly to automatically jump to the worst case scenerio when the politics of the two figures involved are diametrically opposed. if you really want to look at it you can find a lot more similarities in bush than hitler (except that hitler was democratically elected... OOOOooooohhhhhhHHHHHHH:eek:). the problem with mccain right now is that we know his policies aren't going to work. his trickle down economic plan has gotten us in the shitter, his whole unilaterialist foreign policy isn't going to fly, he really doesn't have that much of energy policy (except more domestic drilling, which the oil companies can already do, but don't), its just not his time to be president. even if obama isn't perfect, its real hard for me to see mccain as a better option.

The thing that scares me is that there are a lot of similarities between him and .......... Hitler.

Are you fucking kidding...?

McCain is a narcissistic poon hound. Not nerdy. Too stupid and lazy to be nerdy. I hate his sleazy smirks.

The thing that scares me is that there are a lot of similarities between him and .......... Hitler.

Yeah, Hitler was totally left-wing.

/biting sarcasm

Yeah, Hitler was totally left-wing.

/biting sarcasm

Hitler had a hell of a lot more in common with Stalin then he did with Thatcher.

Hitler had a hell of a lot more in common with Stalin then he did with Thatcher.

Godwin's Law, then. ;)

Godwin's Law, then. ;)
yeah pretty much.

argumentum ad Hitlerum
:P

argumentum ad Hitlerum

haha, that's a good one