Hey,
I am 16, in Sixth Form.
At GCSE level, I got
History-A
RE-A
English Lit- A
English Lang- A
Double Science Award- B, B
Maths- C
Business studies - C (REALLY should have got an A, was to confident and thought I had it in the bag)
ICT Diploma - 4*C

In A level I am studying;
History
Re
English Language
English lit

I am thinking the police do Fast track for graduates;
So first I will do a criminology degree, then a joint degree in Psychology and Forensic Science (just so I know what they are all talking about haha.
Another decision- stay in UK or go to USA?
In UK, there is:
My family
Chance of promotion to like Bank Robbery or drug Squad
In USA:
Better weather (thinking of Miami area)
Chance of going into the /F/B/I/

So comments, ideas improvments?

You're trying to determine between becoming a Cop in the US, or the UK?

If you're a UK citizen, just stick with the UK.

Australia is constantly importing police from the UK and ireland to here to boost numbers. The same with nurses. So become a cop in the UK, and then move to the best country on earth.

People that are trained within the UK police force have opportunities to take their skills anywhere in the world.

US cops have the opportunity to retire into mall security.

Okay, cool. I should get fast tracked to sargeant if I have a degree right?
Also, access to evidence locker FTW!:)

People that are trained within the UK police force have opportunities to take their skills anywhere in the world.

US cops have the opportunity to retire into mall security.

Care to explain this notion I've never heard of before?

Care to explain this notion I've never heard of before?

Ex-cops, within the US, are often hired to be security guards.

Police in the US often don't get the necessary training to handle what's thrown at them. I'm not referring to SWAT or anything beyond local police forces.

Ex-cops, from the UK, are often hired as consultants, bodyguards, and are actively recruited by most major police forces.

Police in the UK receive a great deal of training and their expertise is recognized on a world-wide level.

Ex-cops, within the US, are often hired to be security guards.

Police in the US often don't get the necessary training to handle what's thrown at them. I'm not referring to SWAT or anything beyond local police forces.

Ex-cops, from the UK, are often hired as consultants, bodyguards, and are actively recruited by most major police forces.

Police in the UK receive a great deal of training and their expertise is recognized on a world-wide level.

Sources of this? You must've read this somewhere to know it.

I think the level of training US cops undergo is hard to gauge currently, because many police departments are raising their requirements (i.e. needing at least a bachelor's degree to get hired). Plus, like every institution, including police forces in the United Kingdom, there are going to those who are ambitious and those who prefer to stay in the lower ranks, which could be a choice that is not their own. There are plenty of smart able cops who become administrators or go on to work in federal agencies and do not ever come close to being security guards in malls. And from what I've seen, it's the young police academy rejects that fill those security officer jobs. Retired police officers usually have a pretty good pension, and if they take a job like that, it's because retirement bores them, but they are too old to be cops again.

Last I checked American cops have a lot more to deal with than UK coppers.

Sources of this? You must've read this somewhere to know it.

It's simply what I've been told by cops. You'll notice that I didn't say that they had to work as mall security. A good friend of mine that's finishing up his Master's in PoliSci is looking to join a police force and has been doing extensive research on an international level, I can ask him about it if you would like some information.

hmm.

do ya wanna die by getting stabbed by chavs/niggers

or getting shot at by niggers/spics.

Last I checked American cops have a lot more to deal with than UK coppers.

english police do not carry pistols (im not sure about tazers). that means they need to be far more skillful when dealing with people. the american method of policing is well documented and it doesn't give the impression that american police are as trained as they should be.

english police do not carry pistols (im not sure about tazers). that means they need to be far more skillful when dealing with people. the american method of policing is well documented and it doesn't give the impression that american police are as trained as they should be.

I thought as of the mid 1990s, all cops in Britain now carry a gun.

And yes, Euda, I would like some more information, because I've never got the impression that American cops must retire to be security guards. As I said, there are a multitude of American federal agencies one can go on to to do work beyond the "k lets set up a speed trap" shit of the bored small town cop.

I thought as of the mid 1990s, all cops in Britain now carry a gun.

And yes, Euda, I would like some more information, because I've never got the impression that American cops must retire to be security guards. As I said, there are a multitude of American federal agencies one can go on to to do work beyond the "k lets set up a speed trap" shit of the bored small town cop.

No, you must be thinking of somewhere else.
Thanks for the advice, I guess I will stick to good ole blighty then.
What about my degree choice, that should get me the knowledge and skills to get fast tracked right?

What about my degree choice, that should get me the knowledge and skills to get fast tracked right?

Criminal Justice and Political Science spring to mind.

Why be a cop if you can't carry a gun?

Although homocide looks like a lot of fun, enough to have OVER 9000 TV shows about it.

Either Birmingham or Manchester cops are the only ones who carry a gun in the whole of the UK, because they know it's fucking retarded to attempt to tackle an insane drunken idiot with a meat cleaver on a rampage. Anywho, either go for the US, or get imported to Australia. As long as it's out of the poor excuse of a kingdom called Britain, it's all good.

as a police officer, you take a oath to enforce laws that are cruel, unjust, and wrong. you sicken me. you are no different then a mafia thug. just a enforcer for organized crime.

you would capture someone, and put them in prison, for smoking a plant, or owning a weapon. that is disgusting.

i hope you end up shot.

My cousin works for the CIA. Got in through foreign service. Worked in embassies and such. It's an alternative to police forces.

What about the Ministry of Defence police? They carry submachine guns around power plants and airports.

For NSW police you don't need a degree. Only need higher school certificate.

Don't think you can just waltz right into the US, it's hard to get a visa there as of the Sept. 11th attacks.

Hey,
I am 16, in Sixth Form.
At GCSE level, I got
History-A
RE-A
English Lit- A
English Lang- A
Double Science Award- B, B
Maths- C
Business studies - C (REALLY should have got an A, was to confident and thought I had it in the bag)
ICT Diploma - 4*C

In A level I am studying;
History
Re
English Language
English lit

I am thinking the police do Fast track for graduates;
So first I will do a criminology degree, then a joint degree in Psychology and Forensic Science (just so I know what they are all talking about haha.
Another decision- stay in UK or go to USA?
In UK, there is:
My family
Chance of promotion to like Bank Robbery or drug Squad
In USA:
Better weather (thinking of Miami area)
Chance of going into the /F/B/I/

So comments, ideas improvments?

You should do more research.

For starters, you'd need to choose an American city to live in, as many PDs require residency just for you to submit an application (Miami requires Florida residency, in particular).

And you don't need to be a police officer to join the FBI. You need to be a citizen, and you need certain education or skillset requirements that qualify you (ie. if you knew one of their target languages fluently, that would allow you to apply).

But uh...yeah, before you think about being a cop in the US, you should actually live here. It can be a vastly different experience just in between cities, and you're talking about entirely different countries?

As for Euda's comments on UK/US...it sounds like you're just talking about their elite forces, in which case I'm quite sure that our SWAT matches up to them quite well. Normal British cops carry around batons, write people up, and to my knowledge, their authority isn't even respected much. I have heard good things about some of their special units though...but still...it's Britain. They're gonna be going after chavs and Jason Statham, innit?

as a police officer, you take a oath to enforce laws that are cruel, unjust, and wrong. you sicken me. you are no different then a mafia thug. just a enforcer for organized crime.

you would capture someone, and put them in prison, for smoking a plant, or owning a weapon. that is disgusting.

i hope you end up shot.

Do you think it is possible for someone to join the police or the army and not become so institutionalized? Just go for the skills, the excitement, protecting the people etc and come out later with the same ideals, without being weeded out along the way?

as a police officer, you take a oath to enforce laws that are cruel, unjust, and wrong. you sicken me. you are no different then a mafia thug. just a enforcer for organized crime.

you would capture someone, and put them in prison, for smoking a plant, or owning a weapon. that is disgusting.

i hope you end up shot.

So...I am a criminal as well. The BEST place for a criminal is where he can have no suspicion AND investigate his own crimes XD.

Your an idiot if you think you need that many qualifications to get in the UK police. You only need life experience. Which i can almost guarantee at your age you do not have.

inb4lifestoryabouthislifeexperiences

So...I am a criminal as well. The BEST place for a criminal is where he can have no suspicion AND investigate his own crimes XD.

You fucking idiot.

last i checked american cops have a lot more to deal with than uk coppers.

this!

Question for you Yanks.

If I'm in Canada now, doing my degree, would it be possible to work in the States without getting citizenship? (ie, via greencard)

I hate the RCMP and I'm pretty sure you've gotta have a couple of years as a traffic cone before you can apply for dedicated services (homocide, robbery, gang, etc).

Does anyone know the policy for Canadians applying to a relatively large police force (as a detective) or the FBI?

Question for you Yanks.

If I'm in Canada now, doing my degree, would it be possible to work in the States without getting citizenship? (ie, via greencard)

I hate the RCMP and I'm pretty sure you've gotta have a couple of years as a traffic cone before you can apply for dedicated services (homocide, robbery, gang, etc).

Does anyone know the policy for Canadians applying to a relatively large police force (as a detective) or the FBI?

Even for local police, you have to be a US citizen.

"Within the law enforcement community, experience in dealing with criminal acts, without resorting to a firearm, is prized. It's a great starting point for further organizational training".

You're joining the old bill?!

You were bullied in school, weren't you, you little cock?

Question for you Yanks.

If I'm in Canada now, doing my degree, would it be possible to work in the States without getting citizenship? (ie, via greencard)

I hate the RCMP and I'm pretty sure you've gotta have a couple of years as a traffic cone before you can apply for dedicated services (homocide, robbery, gang, etc).

Does anyone know the policy for Canadians applying to a relatively large police force (as a detective) or the FBI?

I think you can be a cop if you have a green card. You need to look at specific cities though, because I'm pretty sure it varies. Your best bet is to be a citizen though...you'll have a bunch of other shit to worry about, so if you're a citizen it'll make things a lot easier.

I think you can be a cop if you have a green card. You need to look at specific cities though, because I'm pretty sure it varies. Your best bet is to be a citizen though...you'll have a bunch of other shit to worry about, so if you're a citizen it'll make things a lot easier.

Damn.

All right totse women of the US, who wants to get hitched?

I think you can be a cop if you have a green card. You need to look at specific cities though, because I'm pretty sure it varies. Your best bet is to be a citizen though...you'll have a bunch of other shit to worry about, so if you're a citizen it'll make things a lot easier.

Ehhh...it might vary, but I've looked at several cities now and they have all said must be US citizen. Big and small cities, mind you.

Rykoshet, why not be a cop in Canada? I'm sure Toronto or whatever has plenty to offer you.

Ehhh...it might vary, but I've looked at several cities now and they have all said must be US citizen. Big and small cities, mind you.

Rykoshet, why not be a cop in Canada? I'm sure Toronto or whatever has plenty to offer you.

Actually, it might have been that you can take the test while you have a green card, but you can't be a cawp unless your have your citizenship. Either way, it would be better to be a full citizen before starting the process.

Ehhh...it might vary, but I've looked at several cities now and they have all said must be US citizen. Big and small cities, mind you.

Rykoshet, why not be a cop in Canada? I'm sure Toronto or whatever has plenty to offer you.

The road to being a detective is 10 times harder here.

Also, we have no real crime except for the gangs which we let run around without catching.

Finally, I hate Canada. Military or Police, I'd much rather be in the US.

In what way do the police in the USA have more to deal with?

+ no normal police have guns in the UK, only if you spend 2 years as a normal cop then transfer to firearms rather than transfer to be a detective.

Also you are a moron anyway, you think you're going to be some kind of Denzel-Washington-in-Training-day esque character. Ha

+ You will probably fail your A levels unless you put 10x more effort than you did for GCSE, truss.

In what way do the police in the USA have more to deal with?

+ no normal police have guns in the UK, only if you spend 2 years as a normal cop then transfer to firearms rather than transfer to be a detective.

Also you are a moron anyway, you think you're going to be some kind of Denzel-Washington-in-Training-day esque character. Ha

+ You will probably fail your A levels unless you put 10x more effort than you did for GCSE, truss.

You are truly delusional if you don't think crime is worse in the US, and that police have more serious, interesting jobs here.

http://vancouver.ca/police/recruiting/faq.htm

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081021/CGY_police_recruit_081021/20081021/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

You are truly delusional if you don't think crime is worse in the US, and that police have more serious, interesting jobs here.

You are fucking delusional. Explain your reasoning. If you think that since handguns are illegal there is no gun crime then you are a moron.

# New York has a population of 8 million, London 7 million
# London's crime rate is about 7 times that of New York
# Police budgets are comparable
# New York has 40% more cops on the beat.

You are fucking delusional. Explain your reasoning. If you think that since handguns are illegal there is no gun crime then you are a moron.

# New York has a population of 8 million, London 7 million
# London's crime rate is about 7 times that of New York
# Police budgets are comparable
# New York has 40% more cops on the beat.

Retard alert. Retard alert.

In any case, I'm not saying "Fuck the UK police, the US is the only place to be a cop", but I am saying it's a more serious, more interesting place to be a cop than the UK. You guys have your lame criminals that are watered down imitations of ours, and I'm sure they're a nuisance. But the UK is not a rough place, nor is it a prime, exciting place to be a cop.

Retard alert. Retard alert.

In any case, I'm not saying "Fuck the UK police, the US is the only place to be a cop", but I am saying it's a more serious, more interesting place to be a cop than the UK. You guys have your lame criminals that are watered down imitations of ours, and I'm sure they're a nuisance. But the UK is not a rough place, nor is it a prime, exciting place to be a cop.

I state some facts and you say retard alert. Retard alert.
That pretty much sums you up.
Have fun in your imaginary little world, I pity you.

Retard alert. Retard alert.

In any case, I'm not saying "Fuck the UK police, the US is the only place to be a cop", but I am saying it's a more serious, more interesting place to be a cop than the UK. You guys have your lame criminals that are watered down imitations of ours, and I'm sure they're a nuisance. But the UK is not a rough place, nor is it a prime, exciting place to be a cop.

Idiot.

Retard alert. Retard alert.

In any case, I'm not saying "Fuck the UK police, the US is the only place to be a cop", but I am saying it's a more serious, more interesting place to be a cop than the UK. You guys have your lame criminals that are watered down imitations of ours, and I'm sure they're a nuisance. But the UK is not a rough place, nor is it a prime, exciting place to be a cop.

lol what is the difference between crimes and criminals in America and crimes and criminals in the UK?

How is the UK not a rough place? That all depends where in the country you are, granted compared to like Afghanistan it isn't. How does America compare? Im pretty sure there are places in America less rough than places in the UK and vice versa.

fuck the police

Why be a cop?

The cops in the UK are all corrupt, and unless you like death threats, i wouldnt bother, you will soon see that its just another criminal orginisation.

Alot of places is like this in the us, but not as bad.

But you do have the Mafia Police and FBI, If you get involved you will bever get out of it, you cant.

lol what is the difference between crimes and criminals in America and crimes and criminals in the UK?

How is the UK not a rough place? That all depends where in the country you are, granted compared to like Afghanistan it isn't. How does America compare? Im pretty sure there are places in America less rough than places in the UK and vice versa.

Obviously there are safe places in either country, but a rough place in America makes a rough place in Britain look like not more much than child's play.

You guys sound like Ali G.

Why be a cop?

The cops in the UK are all corrupt, and unless you like death threats, i wouldnt bother, you will soon see that its just another criminal orginisation.

Alot of places is like this in the us, but not as bad.

But you do have the Mafia Police and FBI, If you get involved you will bever get out of it, you cant.

Stop posting. No cops anywhere are "all corrupt", and especially not in the UK. There's no such thing as "The Mafia Police", and yes, you can "get out" of the FBI, fuckwit.

Stop posting. No cops anywhere are "all corrupt", and especially not in the UK. There's no such thing as "The Mafia Police", and yes, you can "get out" of the FBI, fuckwit.

Ok, Mulder:rolleyes:

And Yes all cops in the Uk ARE corrupt, They do nothing unless you have got the cash/Friends.

Obviously there are safe places in either country, but a rough place in America makes a rough place in Britain look like not more much than child's play.

You guys sound like Ali G.

Get a plane to Heathrow, then go to Hackney or Brixton and say that. Please :)

Obviously there are safe places in either country, but a rough place in America makes a rough place in Britain look like not more much than child's play.

You guys sound like Ali G.

Face it - you have no idea what you're talking about.

Face it - you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://bocadosderealidad.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ali-g.jpg

Sacha Baron Cohen and?
You do realise he is a completely fictional character despite the epic trollage he performed in your country?

I doubt you have seen the roughest of the rough in your country same as I havn't in mine but I can assure you they are nothing like Ali G. If you think they are then maybe you are being influenced by what you see where you live.

Either way most of the more dangerous criminal organisations Mafias etc. will have a presence in both of our countries. Compared, your ghettos and our staines massives pale in comparison. What is the difference between Russian Mafia in London and Russian Mafia in New York (assuming they are there, not that the specific example matters)?.

Lol@ British people claiming the UK is rougher and has more crime than the United States. Even bringing up false facts, are we uncopyrightable?

I envy your education system, I really do. :rolleyes:

So you actually have no point Azure, why post?

It wasn't actually about that anyway mostly it was about which cops have the harder job. Which is very debatable even if the USA is a more dangerous place.

If your comments are meant to be in any way related to mine you need to learn to read as I never said the UK is rougher. I am not gonna re-explain.

There's really no point in arguing about the level of violent crime, as the UK simply isn't a contender. It's a fact, and you can explore the various statistics here http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Apparently the UK has more total crime, but that isn't in the area of violent crime. You should be proud of that fact and stop thinking you live in some rough gangland hellhole.

Now, as for the question of which cops have a more dangerous job, it would make sense to look at assaults and firearm murders, since that poses the most threat to a cop:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_ove_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

If you mean that UK cops have a more dangerous job because most of them don't have guns...well, that would be a valid point. The actual environments however...not comparable.

And note, I'm just looking at general statistics there. If you narrow it down and take a major urban crime center (#6 out of 25), like Detroit, you get murder stats that are 5 times the national average.

Since people in Edinburgh cant even understand people from Glasgow you probably shouldnt go be a cop in the US. ;)

Now, as for the question of which cops have a more dangerous job, it would make sense to look at assaults and firearm murders, since that poses the most threat to a cop:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_percap-crime-assaults-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_ove_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

If you mean that UK cops have a more dangerous job because most of them don't have guns...well, that would be a valid point. The actual environments however...not comparable.

And note, I'm just looking at general statistics there. If you narrow it down and take a major urban crime center (#6 out of 25), like Detroit, you get murder stats that are 5 times the national average.

So 7.56923 isn't comparable to 7.45959. Ok.
And obviously there are more firearms murders, because every time somebody goes insane and kills there own family they have the means to do it in the USA. In the Uk the average person doesn't own a firearm and only criminals kill eachother with them, rather than their classmates as you like to do it over there. But "gangsters" for want of a better word in the cities of both countries are exactly the same. Why can you not accept this? I'm not proud of it, they're morons, but its true.

Why would there not be? Anywhere where there are lots of poor people ("projects" I think you call council estates) there is lots of crime. I don't see why you think that because it is a smaller nation there can't be serious crime, go to Jamaica or some shit and think that.

And I wasn't making up facts whoever said that. I googled New York London Crime and it was taken from the first result I found. It's probably true anyway hasnt new york been cleaned up by a mayor or something and he kicked out people who wash your car with rags. PS I don't give a shit about the details of this I won't be embarrassed if you reveal my ignorance of new york mayoral policies.

PPS check out south Africa! for your next "vacation". I hear its very friendly.

Oh yeah, what about Interpol? The US isn't a part of that, but you could get in through the UK. Rise through the ranks and such.

edit: Oh I guess the US is with Interpol. Whenever you see them mentioned in American movies though, they're always european agents. Brits or French usually.

Before u become a cop do yourself a favor and kill yourself.

Before you post pointless posts do yourself a favour and kill yourself.


Uncopywritable gets it, and your right btw with council estates and they are pretty shit. South Africa love the darkies. Anyhow you have to realise I would love to be able to say my country is better that we have less crime or that gangsters don't exist here but they do and the worst criminals are easily as bad as yours, as bad as anyones. If you look in the right place you can find scum anywhere.

I've heard that UK is a police nation....according to 13579....this may not but dont they have to deal with more shit than US? i dont know.

Oh yeah, what about Interpol? The US isn't a part of that, but you could get in through the UK. Rise through the ranks and such.

edit: Oh I guess the US is with Interpol. Whenever you see them mentioned in American movies though, they're always european agents. Brits or French usually.

Interpol is an organization used to share information about criminals and their whereabouts. It doesn't have any power in any country. It cannot make arrests.

What looks interesting for a pom is the Ministry of Defence Police. They are a civilian agency responsible for policing sites owned by the Ministry of Defence and critical infrastructure (eg. airports, ports, power stations etc.)

They are armed with sub machine guns when on patrol.

ITT: Higher crime rates are 2 kewl 4 skewl.