The Ascendant speaks of Nirvana firsthand

Recall that Nirvana is the stated goal of religions that profess the desirability of ESCAPE from the vicious cycle of eternal transmigration of the soul beyond death. Nirvana has everything to do with that and nothing whatsoever to do with one's moral code, behavior or so-called 'clean thinking'. A modicum of good intent is presumed.

Nirvana is basically one's blessed return to Plain Life, and I cannot emphasize enough the word "plain". Your body is something natural and mortal and when it dies, your sojourn is over, plain and simple. You haven't lent credence to any falsehoods, haven't become complicit in any devilish schemes, such as any schemes that promise eternal life or reincarnations; nor ceded your natural authority to any 'powerful' consortium or any religion per se. Your body is certainly NOT "the temple" of any 'spirit', but it is merely part-and-parcel of the Natural World, indistinguishable from animals, forests, clouds or the wind. Oh you can still get angry at times, but there's no larger scheme by which to 'get even' because life is KNOWN to be a zero-sum game ...you'll receive unearned benefit in one area of life, and suffer undeserved punishment from another (the opposite) side/province of the sphere. Enjoy the first and learn to accept the latter unbegrudgingly. Once you dispel entanglement/possession by the Devil you'll KNOW that you're home free and clear. It's your detractors who were sent from down below, not you!

But whoa! you'll be a sitting duck for any sorceries the Devil can whip up, wherein the Dark and Invisible 'spirit' realms revolt against your INNOCENT egress from this slimy existence. The sorceries will always feign an unruly congress of souls with one image (like a son of man) acting the white knight. It's a singular charade, BELIEVE ME, the Devil's last DESPERATE effort to recall you to its service everlasting. But no! you're too smart for that; you don't find witchcraft awe-inspiring or even engaging, so when your number's up you'll die, period, nothing more. That's the way it will be because the Dark Invisible Realm seeks only to harvest your credence, however slight, and thus your engagement, and thence your corruption -- oh it's just horrible! But wait, you know that you're already home free and clear. Eventually the sorceries weaken and peter out, though perhaps never fully, so one must accept the inevitability of only posthumous recognition of the righteousness of his sojourn.

Religion is an unwitting accomplice to the Dark Realms ie. evil. Here's just one minor example. The scriptures say "the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire". (Yo, look it up if you're not familiar). That's a lie that gets folks to lend credence to the belief that recall is inevitable even after Nirvana is achieved. It's such total crap, all of it; for there is no mental test, no ethereal venue, no ongoing process of any kind but for the despised witchcraft, the Devil's assault of imagery and torture and words into your head and about your person. Hold fast by not holding at all, for the arena and all its players, though sublimely compelling, are totally fake.

Your worst detractors are most likely your kinfolk, for they are but reincarnated reprobates from yesteryear looking to hitch a ride with a newborn superstar(*) as yourself. Get free or they'll surely drag you down down down. You are the planet's honored guest for just this one go-around -- accept His Gracious Terms and ENJOY.

So Nirvana is the ultra-PAINFUL path wherein you realize that The Creator doesn't set moral standards for us. Alas, virtue is its own reward and not a passport into any 'higher' society. If you transgress, the police and local prosecutor will mete out your comeuppance. The so-called 'soul' is a rental at best... turn it back in when you're done. Have nothing to do with cerebral venues, spiritual or any unseen realms, demigod worship, image worship ...and you'll again be one of God's Natural Creatures, a true unbeliever, disavowed of filthy magic and exempt from dreaded afterlives. You'll be on schedule, but not clamoring, for your personal appointment with the Grim Reaper. It sounds mixed up but that's the Way the Truth the Light. You have to be in the actual shoes of the ascendant to know (and yes, boast) of all this. :cool:

Note: the sorceries cited above are stronger in this age than ever in the past. I suppose it's partly because of TV and the species becoming so jaundiced and disconcerted in its Last Days. Anyone who ascends beyond the Devil's grip now is likely to really catch hell. The evil is real and the sorceries inflict real physical pain. But it's worth it! You've won the gold mine, righteous egress; be not worrisome that others got the shaft.

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* The term "newborn superstar" is used to denote the exact opposite of "an old soul". Fresh souls are FAR outnumbered by (filthy) reincarnates, so God makes new souls ever better and better equipped to recognize and trounce evil. If there's going to be Deliverance, it won't be prompted by old (compromised) souls!

Nirvana is a band that started in the late 80's Seattle underground music scene. The music they played involved power cords and the screeching vocals of a heroin addict. They made a major impact on the music at the time, and helped inspire many other Seattle alternative bands. The band split up when it's lead singer married a no talent wannabe cocaine addled cunt, and blew his brains out with a shotgun, leaving his infant child to be raised by a mother more unfit than a scorpion.

Seriously, you could have shortened your OP by saying:

Nirvana is heaven.
or
Nirvana is enlightenment.
or
Both.

You could have been correct, had your OP said: Nirvana is imaginary like heaven and enlightenment.

You could have been correct, had your OP said: Nirvana is imaginary like heaven and enlightenment.
It's not heaven, not enlightenment, not ease and definitely not imaginary. It's one's blessed return to plain life after having scored sufficient credits fighting against EVIL to have earned a cake-walk (but for the despised witchcraft) to The Exit. I didn't make that crystal clear?? ..my apologies.

So long as one realizes that he is already home free and clear, then the Devil's incessant pain delivery can be discounted as unimpressive and non-causal. The very fact that the Devil's retaliation is constrained to ambushes coming out of the cozy cover of darkness, bears mute testimony to your (the ascendant's) success and to The Creation's loathing of evil.

Police regularly make use of psychics to help solve the real troubling homicide cases (yes, all that witchery is horribly real)! But the seeming benevolence of bringing killers to justice is just a veneer to impress; for all psychic phenomena is the Devil's chicanery and its essential use is entrapment/reincarnation and for encouraging and perpetuating every imaginable horrid depravity into human endeavor. [That way, the Devil/Savior figures, heaps of guilt and shame will accrue, and ordinary people will be more-than-eager to accept (what they think is) an opportunity to "perform better next go-around". But no, his is a siren call, betrayal his only intent; for he'll batter you with sorcery and when you succumb, get engrossed or awe-struck and reincarnate, he'll later claim, "Fool! it is not by your own works that you are saved, but by Grace alone"].

Yes, witchcraft is out there for real. Explore, watch, learn; it's out there really and it STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. And while all this evil chicanery perpetuates, mankind is extinguishing about 10 or 20 perfectly WONDERFUL animal species each day. God (the hypothetical) is very very angry about our deep purple passion for what might casually be termed "The Dark Side". It's not funny!!! ...a million children marched into the ovens to burn to death; thousands perish as jumbo jets attack the twin towers. Those are some of the "miracles of salvation". Harumph!

Really, you'd have to be in my shoes to know precisely what gives. I'm gonna fix it though. I'm gonna end the Devil once and for all. How, you ask? With disbelief, non-credence, non-attentiveness. He hates that more than anything! It lames him, kills him.

All these issues, angles and parameters have been extensively clarified in the OP and here.

It's not heaven, not enlightenment, not ease and definitely not imaginary. It's one's blessed return to plain life after having scored sufficient credits fighting against EVIL to have earned a cake-walk (but for the despised witchcraft) to The Exit. I didn't make that crystal clear?? ..my apologies.

It is still not clear. First off if it is not imaginary, please provide proof that it exists anywhere outside of the imagination. Good luck.

Secondly,

What is blessed return to a plain life? Is that a state of mind? (enlightenement)

What is the Exit? Is this death, and does this plain life speak of an afterlife? (heaven)

Who determines evil, and how? We need to know so that we can play whack a mole and get enough tokens for Nirvana, right?

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Then you prattle on about witchcraft, magic, devils, etc.

The only think you have made crystal clear, is that you are bat shit crazy.

It is still not clear. First off if it is not imaginary, please provide proof that it exists anywhere outside of the imagination. Good luck.
Ha! All I've claimed is "plain life"; and proof of its existence is unnecessary
What is blessed return to a plain life? Is that a state of mind? (enlightenment)
What is the Exit? Is this death, and does this plain life speak of an afterlife? (heaven)
Not to "a" plain life, but just to "plain life". It's kinda like life without spooks, without gods, without heroes, without icons, without lies, and without naivety. I suppose a fair measure of it is "a state of mind", but that's hardly the essence. The essence is in the word "blessed" in my phrase, "blessed return to plain life". It is something that The Creation mandated for you, a simple realization as to who your allies are and aren't, and why. No it isn't death and it doesn't bode an afterlife. The "exit" is simply your inevitable date with destiny, to wit the Grim Reaper. It's PLAIN... you've delighted the (hypothetical) Almighty by fighting evil effectively (or you've done the preliminaries and they suffice). You've also earned the Devil/Savior as an unrelenting unrepentant enemy. But he/it can only hurt you from the Dark Side, not openly. And hurt he DOES!
Who determines evil, and how? We need to knowThat is so very easy an answer. What must hide from the Light, hide from all scrutiny, IS therefore an abomination, an evil that is far to filthy to survive in the open. BEWARE of Greeks bearing gifts from out of some spooky witchy dark side.
Then you prattle on about witchcraft, magic, devils, etc.
As stated, our public servants are already duped or won over; the cops retaining psychics to take a bite out of crime. And the psychics DO DELIVER RESULTS, as is very thoroughly documented in scores and scores of cases. I on the other hand disavow all dark phenomena, all magic. So I'm not the loon here. The lunatics are those who were foolish enough to violate the 1st and 2nd Commandments, clinging on to an image of a savior in their heart-of-hearts. Pretty stupid, that.

nirvana is a band

Blind faith ...now there was a great band! (too) :rolleyes:

Nirvana is heaven.
or
Nirvana is enlightenment.
or
Both.

You could have been correct, had your OP said: Nirvana is imaginary like heaven and enlightenment.

True, "heaven" is a state of mind as opposed to a location, as is "hell"--and as is "enlightenment."

Higher states of consciousness are not only existant, but also becoming more wide-spread as more people evolve spiritually. It ill becomes you to deny the existence of something merely because you have not experienced it--yet.

You will.

Higher states of consciousness are not only existant, but also becoming more wide-spread as more people evolve spiritually. It ill becomes you to deny the existence of something merely because you have not experienced it--yet.

You will.

You sound quite sick, gun dealer. No matter. You can experience witchcraft all YOU want and deem it something HOLY (or 'spiritual'); but you don't understand. That is exactly how the Devil (evil incarnate) hoodwinks folks, is by sorcery and witchcraft. Undershoring it all is simply bloodthirst, and nothing whatsoever else. When something comes at you from outer darkness (ie via witchcraft alone), then it is your HIGHEST CALLING to see that for what it is: the Devil attempting to gain firm foothold. Read scriptures; there isn't a single kind word given to sorcery or to those who love and practice falsehood.

^How about "love thine enemies"?

Now that the librarian has kindly given me more comp time, I can respond to your fear-ridden and ignorant post in some detail. Kinda takes me back to the days when my wife and I would do psychic readings at festivals, and fundies would picket us, threaten our clients, or invade our little pavillion brandishing tracts and calling us devil-worshippers. Pathetic, really, and almost funny--being that THERE IS NO DEVIL--that is a myth, perpetrated by the priesthood to instill fear in the flock and keep them in line.

Nor is there a hell, that being not so much a location, but a state of mind. At least that's what Pope John Paul II said--but some radical Prods consider him the anti-christ.

Nor is there evil--I know, this is a rather sophisticated concept, not easy even for the relatively evolved to grasp. Good and evil are simply labels we place on things we approve or disapprove of--and those labels say more about the labeller than that which is labelled.

Thing is, we all create our own reality. Nothing any of us do is inappropriate by our lights, given our level of evolution. In short, there are no victims, no villains. There are no "bad" people--only people who see things differently from us, and they deserve to be loved as much as anyone else.

Since we all have immortal souls, and many lifetimes to manifest on the physical plane, whatever may happen in any single lifetime is simply no big deal.

In the final analysis, it is all about love. And our only enemy is fear, not some mythical being.

(BTW, I don't do withcraft, although I was a solitary Wiccan for a year or so back in the day. Today, I don't like to use labels, as they are limiting. There are no limits, save those we place on ourselves by our doubts and fears.)

Since we all have immortal souls, and many lifetimes to manifest on the physical plane, whatever may happen in any single lifetime is simply no big deal.
'Sounds like defeatism to me!

And you apparently believe that the body is the temple of some spirit. Yeecho! The body is about expedience. The soul is something concocted, quite accursed, and when near perfected it becomes absolved. That absolution applies to the ascendant's name. One can rightly leave it at that and thus get out of the melee forever. No return. No pay-out to the Devil. In order to transmigrate, in order to literally beat the Grim Reaper, one must make a pay-off to pure evil. Witchcraft is obviously required to make transmigration feasible. (It's not natural for critters to exist beyond death.)

I am doing my exit in full public view and there isn't anything anyone can do to prevent me from boasting gleefully of my ascension to said (the only true) Exit. This boasting on my part should lead to the eventual weakening of the so-called "spiritual" mechanism. If that's the mechanism that keeps Homo Sapiens dominant in the Natural World then so be it. I prefer that Earth be returned to its original and rightful owner(s) and I am very confident of this happening before 2013.

(Although I continually use the word "I", it is a non-sequitor. Lamentably, language is not well designed to convey much actual Truth of the human condition in this regard.)

Heard an interesting quote as a metaphor of life; something along the lines of;
'We all come from a raincloud, and we are each droplets of rain. Falling, closer and closer to a lake below we go, and when we hit the lake, no raindrops remain, only the lake.'

Thanks for the metaphor, scovegner.

Y'know, it's not terribly complicated. New souls are born with a degree of innocence. New souls are keen and meek and wonderful and they won't take any crap from haughty muckity-mucks. So their names get trampled by all you OLD SOULS. But in actuality, God approves of you, and your name is made fresh and clean at one point. You've achieved nirvana. The Devil is resentful and begins its systematic torture of the ascendant through sorcery, attempting (through subterfuge) to lure the defenseless being into an eternity of servitude to evil, bloodthirst and deviltry.

God made one new soul firm enough to resist lending credence to those entreaties that originate from nether darkness. That man was me, now long since fully retired from any kind of 'duty'. The remainder is to just let Nature take its course!