i posted this in BLTC, but it didnt do much good there. anyways, i was wondering what the best way to go about making a pod tincture would be. i real a lot that high % alcohol works good, and cold water. but i wanna make the dose very small. very potent. any ideas?

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Start with that, then ask SN, i am sure he has something to say about this. I will try to get some pdfs i have about something similar to this for you later on (hopefully).

Evaporate to opium like tar, more fun to smoke, and if you're desperate to make a tincture, just dissolve back into a shot of alcohol. :)

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Evaporate to opium like tar, more fun to smoke, and if you're desperate to make a tincture, just dissolve back into a shot of alcohol. :)

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How good was that stuff? I need some way to support my opiate habit a bit cheaper.

A tincture's easy, just use ground (powder) pods in everclear and act as if you were making sloe gin. Change the grounds every couple of days until they retain their flavour (rinse them and chew them if you can still poppiness the solution is saturated), voila.

A tincture's easy, just use ground (powder) pods in everclear and act as if you were making sloe gin. Change the grounds every couple of days until they retain their flavour (rinse them and chew them if you can still poppiness the solution is saturated), voila.

Holy shit i remember you, didn't you have some kind of seizure like a long time ago and nearly drowned if your bath tub?

alcohol tincture takes to long, i want to get high by saturday, will hitting it with acetone or hcl work? both are poisonous but its only in small doses, ok ok bad idea but what about iodine?

more importantly i actually obtained some poppy seeds a while ago, 150g bag of generic coles brand seeds, there small purple and look like tar gravel or something. apperently you have to get a specific type since theres more then one breed of poppy. yet the packet doesnt say what breed of poppy's it comes from, any ideas on how to find that out, id ask it in bltc but im lazy and had no intentions of asking it in the first place.

How good was that stuff? I need some way to support my opiate habit a bit cheaper.

Assuming you were meaning me, 10 pods (home grown), split into two doses felt like 80mg dihdrocodeine. That was without a tolerance really, and the second time me and some friends were smoking it in joints. I thought it was pretty much the same as poppy pod tea, but smoking it over an evening is more fun and relaxing than drinking the tea.

I wouldn't really recommend it for a regular thing, fucking around with gummy sticky stuff got everything sticky, its practically impossible to store, and you get small amounts from pods. Better, if that's ones best source of opiates, to just make pod tea when you need/want it.

I wouldn't really recommend it for a regular thing, fucking around with gummy sticky stuff got everything sticky, its practically impossible to store, and you get small amounts from pods. Better, if that's ones best source of opiates, to just make pod tea when you need/want it.

I bet if you did an acid/base and left it in freebase form it would be a lot easier to work with. I read that 1-3 pods is enough for someone with no tolerance, and they are ~$1/pod. Might be a good idea to order a few hundred pods and do a nice big extraction. I'd love to try it, but I have a small room and a roommate. :mad:

I bet if you did an acid/base and left it in freebase form it would be a lot easier to work with. I read that 1-3 pods is enough for someone with no tolerance, and they are ~$1/pod. Might be a good idea to order a few hundred pods and do a nice big extraction. I'd love to try it, but I have a small room and a roommate. :mad:

i wanna do a 100 pod tincture. i hear upping the pods though doesnt make it better. im thinking first a 50 pod wash for 15 days then another 50 pod wash using the same alcohol for 15 days. i dont mind the time. its one month to discover if this is useful to you. ill take it. if it works ima be ordering up pods like theyre becoming ILLEGAL

I bet if you did an acid/base and left it in freebase form it would be a lot easier to work with.

Hence what a friend of mine will be devoting his time to with this years harvest. :)

Assuming you were meaning me, 10 pods (home grown), split into two doses felt like 80mg dihdrocodeine. That was without a tolerance really, and the second time me and some friends were smoking it in joints. I thought it was pretty much the same as poppy pod tea, but smoking it over an evening is more fun and relaxing than drinking the tea.

I wouldn't really recommend it for a regular thing, fucking around with gummy sticky stuff got everything sticky, its practically impossible to store, and you get small amounts from pods. Better, if that's ones best source of opiates, to just make pod tea when you need/want it.

I guess I'm asking if I can acheive the same effects as pharmaceuticals for cheaper by using the tar/tea.

hydrocodone is $0.50-0.60/mg and oxycodone is $0.75-1.00/mg here. I usually take ~80mg hydrocodone to get a decent buzz, but I can usually only afford to take ~30-50mg.

Could I get the effect of 80mg hydrocodone with the tar/tea for less than $40-50?

My goodness yes.

Pods are going to be a lot cheaper than pills, with an effect a lot the same (its all opiates anyhow)

you will just have to experiment a few times and figure out how many pods YOU need to get where you want, either way, the price per dose is going to be WAAAYYY lower than that of pharms.

oxycodone is $0.75-1.00/mg here.

Jesus Christ you get fucked there. Here a 30mg roxie goes for 10 bucks which works out to $0.33/mg. My condolences.

Edit: Hmmmm.....I see a possible road trip in your future.....

My goodness yes.

Pods are going to be a lot cheaper than pills, with an effect a lot the same (its all opiates anyhow)

you will just have to experiment a few times and figure out how many pods YOU need to get where you want, either way, the price per dose is going to be WAAAYYY lower than that of pharms.

have u any experiences with pods Ew420? i love opiates and use them quite a lot, but i just hear that if ur used to oxy and stronger, that pods and seed concoctions cant compare.

So, figured I'd threadjack a little:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stuff in poppy plant matter that make the world better, primarily, is morphine. Morphine has shitty oral bioalailability. So, wouldn't it be to everyone's advantage to find a way to do this intranasaly?

How would one go from plant matter to something nose-able? Best to make tincture (or goop concentrate) then put it in nasal spray bottles? Or is it possible to actually make something in a powder?

I would say should be as simple as A/B, but IIRC, morphine is soluble in just about anything in either form. My preliminary idea is this: butane extraction to get all NP's out as well as the morphine base (naturally comes as base?). Then dissolve in some distilled H2O, and strain off all the NP's that don't go in. Next, boil off H2O, leaving yet another pile of opiate goop. Finnaly, dissolve remaining goop in NP solvent, gas out w/ HCl. Hopefully M HCl precips out.

Anyone?

BTW oxy rocks but is hard to come by if you don't know people. Back in the day I could get OC 80 for $20.

So, wouldn't it be to everyone's advantage to find a way to do this intranasaly?
I believe it has an even shittier bioavailability in the nose - something like 25% for nasal, 30% for both rectal and oral.

Just smoke yer ope. ;)

I believe it has an even shittier bioavailability in the nose - something like 25% for nasal, 30% for both rectal and oral.

Just smoke yer ope. ;)

AHHHH! You are correct sir: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intranasal+bioavailability+morphine&btnG=Google+Search&aq=o&oq= (it's the first link, says BioAv is 10% IN)

Well that really shitted my day up. On the other hand, question:
Morphine is a large molecule, so lots of intramolecular forces and junk, IE high boiling point (254C, I think). This would lead me to believe (as with other organic molecules) that some decomps when it vaporizes. But, based on the shitty, shitty BioAv of intranasal or oral, this is probably the best route. What I would like to know, though, is how much is lost on smoking?

Also, purity of compound would be dope (lol at my pun). Ideas?

Well, to add to my earlier post, I found this:


Dissolve the pill in hot water, then let the soln cool in the 'fridge. This will cause the wax to resolidify (it's quite hard to the touch at 4'C),. Once you've separated out the wax, add some strong ammonia soln to the morphine sulphate soln, and morphine freebase will precipitate out
The ammonia soln you need is simply ammonia dissolved in water (nothing else). In case anyone is curious, the reason sodium hydroxde wont work is that it forms a salt (soluble) with the phenolic OH group of the morphine molecule.

Morphine free base has a solubility of less than 1 in 1000 for water, so most should be precipitated out with the ammonia soln
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I always thought morphine base was practically miscible with H2O, so more research needs to be done. Can anyone vouch for the validity of ^^^ that? found it at http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=349
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