Most of you have probably seen my posts here, and I come off as an atheist. To some extent that is true, I don't believe in any form of theology. I found God all on my own, through the understanding of physics, and by philosophizing life. I found God, but it wasn't what religions talked about, it was a purer form and understanding of God, much more profound than what religion could instill in you. I wouldn't have been so sure, except I found the same answer by looking for truth and trying to understand the Universe in two separate ways. I used the same technique though.

With physics, I whittled everything down to a single building block, which was energy. Everything seemed to made of this stuff, the building block of the universe. The eventual conclusion is that the entire universe is energy simulating all things.

Through philosophical thinking, I whittled down my own existence. I realized that objective observation is non-existent, as all ways I perceive the Universe are all subjective. All of my senses are simply created within my head, and even the objective things of reality are all viewed subjectively by us. Once you realize this truth, you also realize that their is no way to even know that our bodies and brains exist at all, and we are left with just the conscious or Will. I know that I'm conscious and within my conscious your conscious' exists, and if that's possible, we must be of the same conscious. Our souls are simply partitions of the same conscious. Really, we're all one conscious, and the partitions are simply created by knowledge. As free will, we are all one thing, lacking anything to bias our function. Once we taste knowledge our will is no longer free, and the knowledge creates a bias of our will. However, one thing we can probably all agree on is that we're all partitions within each others conscious, and are all interconnected as One conscious of many partitions.

Now when you take the physics deduction, and add it to the Philosophical deduction you find that that the Will and Energy are defined exactly the same way. Will is the drive of all conscious, Energy is the drive of all creation, but Energy and will seem to be the same things looked at in two different ways. Once you see that they are no different you realize that what you're truly viewing is a single Will, or what we have come to know as God.

However, I don't believe everyone will understand this, but I will say this one truth. No matter how you choose to define the universe, our world, and us, you're always going to end up with a theory that can never be tested. In the end, we're all left in the same position, which is having faith in our definition. I think on closer inspection that ultimate definitions through Physics, philosophy, or religion aren't different at all, and the faith we share in these things is all the same. Call it Will, call it the unified theory, Call it energy, Call it God. It doesn't matter, it's all just metaphors for describing the same thing, and our faith in all of these things is one in the same, and so are we.

^Well said. You are pretty much on the same page as me, a bunch of Christian mystics (notably St John of the Cross and St Teresa of Avilla), a host of assorted shamans and sages and weird holy men, Sufi Muslims, and more modern writers such as Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, Wayne Dyer, Neale Donald Walsch, and a bunch of other folks whose names I can't recall.

I think it is key to stress than none of this can be proven--at least not by any 'scientific" means--any more than one can "prove" the proposition that the truth shall set you free--or that I can "prove" that my wife and I love each other. This is all stuff that is better experienced than explained.

If you are curious as to why I don't believe in religions, it's because all religions are simply the creation of biased partitions or souls. As a result they bias people's view of God and bias peoples will in a consistent way to satisfy the wills of the creators. Essentially, religions make the followers extensions of the Will of the creators by controlling their perspective to bias them in a similar fashion. Christ however was a pure soul. He only asked us to follow ten commandments and to live a life of love and forgiveness. Christianity, the religion founded in his name is not pure. It has a designed purpose to sway the wills of the follows in a specific direction. That direction also seems to be quite dynamic over the ages to sway the wills of the followers for a specific ends. Essentially, your will is being enslaved through indoctrination and limitations of knowledge, and fortifying that knowledge in a shield of positive feeling. This is called brainwashing. The same thing happens when you only have mainstream media as your source of knowledge, and don't create a broad sense of the world within your mind. Of course, we know what they're trying to will, which is essentially the consumer driven economy. It's just as fucked up as religion in my opinion.

Edit: I forgot the ultimate Irony. The old testament explains control as the work of the devil, as the devil is the one who tried to take God's thrown. God represented free will, the devil represented slavery. When someone controls your mind, or impose their will on you in a non-constructive way, that is what evil is. The church is evil, because it is no longer there for Christ's purpose of perpetuating open minds, questioning of establishments, love, and forgiveness. These things will bring us greatness, but Christianity is more concerned with limiting knowledge and working as a single will that doesn't fulfill this purpose.

This is the same kind of understanding I have been gaining since I discovered Qabalah and Magick earlier this year. Just from the study of those 2 things I have gone through profound spiritual growth.

Before I discovered either I too looked at it in a philosophical and physical kind of way.
I always found it interesting to read the scientific explanation for energy and the Christian explanation for god.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, all things are made of energy, etc..

God is and always will be, God is everywhere, God is within all of us, etc..

Its also really interesting that in a round about way Heisenberg's uncertainty principle shows that nothing is real until we observe it.
I am also told that there is now mathematical models that prove there is order in the universe. I havn't looked because in all honesty I can't comprehend anything passed Newtonian physics.

Anyways I really like the way you think ;).

Most of you have probably seen my posts here, and I come off as an atheist. To some extent that is true, I don't believe in any form of theology. I found God all on my own, through the understanding of physics, and by philosophizing life. I found God, but it wasn't what religions talked about, it was a purer form and understanding of God, much more profound than what religion could instill in you. I wouldn't have been so sure, except I found the same answer by looking for truth and trying to understand the Universe in two separate ways. I used the same technique though.

With physics, I whittled everything down to a single building block, which was energy. Everything seemed to made of this stuff, the building block of the universe. The eventual conclusion is that the entire universe is energy simulating all things.



From my understanding, nothing is "made" of energy, so therefore it cannot be the building block of the universe. Energy is simply a physical quantity that particles have, it's not something in-itself.



Through philosophical thinking, I whittled down my own existence. I realized that objective observation is non-existent, as all ways I perceive the Universe are all subjective. All of my senses are simply created within my head, and even the objective things of reality are all viewed subjectively by us. Once you realize this truth, you also realize that their is no way to even know that our bodies and brains exist at all, and we are left with just the conscious or Will. I know that I'm conscious and within my conscious your conscious' exists, and if that's possible, we must be of the same conscious. Our souls are simply partitions of the same conscious.


I simply can't follow this. How do you figure that within your own consciousness that other's consciousnesses exists? This sounds like proving that others have consciousnesses too, which is no more knowable that that your body exists. Once you leave yourself to only your consciousness, it doesn't seem like you can go from anywhere from there. Anyhow, there is little logical connection in 1) You recognizing your own consciousness, 2) then thinking that there are other people, to which you presume also have consciousnesses, 3) therefore, since you can imagine their consciousness within your conscious thoughts, that they must be one and the same...? Furthermore, it all seems to be lacking on the archaic notion that consciousness is a thing, while in reality it is a set of processes.

Yes, it does exist. It is very freeing too. I liked your 'ultimate irony' ending. Being a Christian is not the same as living with the spirit of Christ.

[QUOTE=Hexadecimal;10603203. Being a Christian is not the same as living with the spirit of Christ.[/QUOTE]

A point worth repeating, I think.

Personally, Christ is one of my role models (among others) but I would be mildly insulted if someone called me a Christian.

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what an arse!!!!!

He is entitled to think of Hitler as god if he really wants to........O_o

He is entitled to think of Hitler as god if he really wants to........O_o

Yes, and I have the right to infract him for defacement.

I'm letting his post stand for now as an example of what is inappropriate here.

From my understanding, nothing is "made" of energy, so therefore it cannot be the building block of the universe. Energy is simply a physical quantity that particles have, it's not something in-itself.




I simply can't follow this. How do you figure that within your own consciousness that other's consciousnesses exists? This sounds like proving that others have consciousnesses too, which is no more knowable that that your body exists. Once you leave yourself to only your consciousness, it doesn't seem like you can go from anywhere from there. Anyhow, there is little logical connection in 1) You recognizing your own consciousness, 2) then thinking that there are other people, to which you presume also have consciousnesses, 3) therefore, since you can imagine their consciousness within your conscious thoughts, that they must be one and the same...? Furthermore, it all seems to be lacking on the archaic notion that consciousness is a thing, while in reality it is a set of processes.

You should read up on the big bang theory. Super condensed energy creating everything. Everything is born of pure energy, and nothing is made of anything but it. Really the only thing that exists is energy, that's all. Physics just defines energy's function, by observing what has materialized from it, but it will always fall short of explaining Energy itself. Energy is the Will and drive of the universe. It's not tangible, and that's the point. The universe is just the effect of the energy, like a wind sock in the wind. We can't see the wind, we can only observe it's affects. The universe is just a way of observing Energy at work.

The second part is a little harder to explain. You either get it or you don't really. I'm struggling to find a way of explaining something so abstract. The best way to say it, is that my conscious identity is primarily based on other conscious' interacting with me. Even if you're only created by me, you now exist as a creation of will. However, I'm not exactly the ultimate in Wills though, so I'm not God. I'm part of the overall Will, but I'm not will in itself. We're simply different aspects of Will, driven by a Universal will. The universe, is a manifested reality created by this Will. It is simply our realm to interact and explore all possibilities of Will. I'm too human to explain Will properly though.

Energy is simply a physical quantity that particles have, it's not something in-itself.





no, in our current understanding of physics matter=energy. how could you make a claim like that without understanding special relativity? have you heard of it? e=mc^2.....do you know what that means??? have you taken a real physics course or are you just a dummy. op, i don't think you're entirely right-though i can't prove it- i like your ideas of universal consciousness and info limiting it.

Really the only thing that exists is energy, that's all.

Nah, that's still at the surface of Reality, if you mean E=mc^2.
That is still a pretty low energy state compared to 'vacuum' (platonic) energy. There is also an inner-etheric layer you should contemplate. There are layers beyond that too. They keep on going until you reach Infinite Mind (God).
beyond that :confused:

My advice for those who find God through Science is to definitely read The Kybalion by Hermes Trismegistus. You will find that science has agreed with a lot of what was written a few thousand years ago. We are going through a period of re-learning and applying what we know. Science is finding out the same things now, that spiritual adepts have found tri-millennia ago. Of course, science still maintains its more conservative approach but as time goes on Science will find what God truly is.

Learn to apply what is written in The Kybalion and you can have a lot more mastery over your life. Teach all these esoteric secrets to those who seek it and of knowledge to those who, in their error, have fallen short. Raise up and awaken those who sleep. For you are this understanding which encourages. If the strong follow this course, they are even stronger. Turn your attention to yourselves. Do not be concerned with other things, namely, that which you have cast forth from yourselves, that which you have dismissed.

gods exists..?if our theory of expanding universe is right and further analyssis of light points to that direction spectroscopy and doppler effect so as we go backwards in time the universe becomes smaller and smaller until we come to the singularity point where sudernly we see no mother nature any further and the laws of nature simply do not exist where matter does not exists because the definition of matter is simply any thing that ocupies space and the space does not exists yet what i simply meen is that the laws that governe this universe do not exist yet where mass =0 and space =0 and gravity =0 speed=0where speed requires space to happend and time because time =distance/speed and hence we have no speed nor space time =0 so where are the laws of mother nature . they do not exist yet they are the concept of creation the mighty loard is there.

Personally, Christ is one of my role models (among others) but I would be mildly insulted if someone called me a Christian.

agreed, Christ , fictional or not was an awesome guy.

what is time the best definition of time i heard so far is that time is that thing that will prevent all the events of the universe from happening at the same time..any other definition and can time exist without matter i mean if we take all matter from our univers all the sub automic to the smallest building blocks can we still have time and can time exist without space..the topic is related to the subject god exists because god did see all the events of the universe happening at the same time because god created time to govern this univers we live in ..

If there's a God, why are arses at a perfect height to kick?

If there's a God, why are arses at a perfect height to kick?

'Cause God designed them that way, you fool!!!

. No matter how you choose to define the universe, our world, and us, you're always going to end up with a theory that can never be tested.

that's called Godel's incompleteness theorum

As Bill Hicks said:

"...all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're just an imagination of ourselves."