Has anyone noticed how much people are ignorant of the real issues (War on Drugs, Military Industrial Complex, Various other stuff) which are always ignored and avoided?

The reason was simple, no one KNEW anything about this kind of stuff. Up until what? 10-15 years ago? the only way you could learn an OBJECTIVE truth about the corrupt nature of our country was by either talking to a primary source or reading a book that was hard to find. Why have these problems never been addressed before? Simple, because the elite controlled information they could funnel out what information was fed to us (There are 5 major corporations which control ALL mainstream news sources) in the past that was all people had, what the elite told them. If people wanted another UNBIASED side to things they would have to read a complex book, problem? Most people lacked the knowledge or education to even GET to that book or know where to start.

Look at the power we now have...The INTERNET lets all this information (corrupt politics, societal values) become available to literally ANYONE at ANY POINT IN TIME. You don't need to have a high IQ to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_of_the_United_States

The point is this information is AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. Everyone can now know how fucked up something like the war on drugs is. Everyone can now read, watch and learn about the true actions of United States imperialism from something or someone OTHER than the United States political system....



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ALL people have to do is know about this stuff. Thats it. The revolution is one of knowing, not even doing.

I'll explain...

Corrupt politicians could get elected in the past because they could keep their scandals hidden from the public, the only way their scandals would come out was if they were really fucked up because the government had to to prevent chaos. However, because the information is impossible to suppress now with the Internet EVERYONE can see this stuff. And if everyone can see the truth and how fucking corrupt politics are in this country then the revolution has already won. If people know about this stuff they won't elect leaders who will perpetuate the problems...End of problems. People have power in democracy they just need to be educated about politics.


The Internet will put democracy in an IDEAL state. The reason democracy has never worked here because EVERYONE needs to be educated for it to work, people could be educated but they could never know about how the government worked. Now, with the Internet they can know without being smart.


Why do you think Ron Paul had so much success? The Internet. The worst thing anyone can ever say is things will never change because all change takes is education, which we now have with the Internet. Easy to read universally accessible truthful information is available at anytime of the day now. If people can ever realize that simply by knowing and spreading what they know will change EVERYTHING then EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE.

If a public is informed politicians will have to abide by what they say, the great thing is, misinformation can still occur but truth is at everyones hands...Anyone can go to wikipedia and read about anything in easy language. If everyone knows about globalization than people won't vote for a politician who supports it.










If people ever realized how much power they have right here, right now than everything would be forced to change. If people realize this than a third party WILL take power if not the 2012 election than the next one.




People can denounce truth but they damn well can't argue with it. If the people in this country ever realized how much power they have then utopia is possible. It starts with believing in change. Everything you say has an effect. If I post this and 1 person tells another person and they tell someone and it keeps going think about the effect I just had. People can now become united from every part of the globe in a matter of seconds and speak whatever they want because of the Internet.


knowledge is power and it can no longer be suppressed. Spread the PRAGMATIC word, the revolution is a mental one. If people know this than they've already won.

I wholly agree. The internet made me the person I am today. I can't even begin to explain the way this network has expanded my mind in ways that nobody I've ever met could have.

Precisely.

Which is why the internet will become heavily, heavily, heavily regulated in the next 10-15 years.

If you think otherwise, just take a look at newspaper publications, radio, and TV.

Precisely.

Which is why the internet will become heavily, heavily, heavily regulated in the next 10-15 years.

If you think otherwise, just take a look at newspaper publications, radio, and TV.

one of obama's flaws is that he voted for telecom immunity. Not that it outweighs mccain's flaws, but it's there.

Precisely.

Which is why the internet will become heavily, heavily, heavily regulated in the next 10-15 years.

If you think otherwise, just take a look at newspaper publications, radio, and TV.


I really doubt it will be possible. Don't you see? If people know about oppression thats all it takes to prevent it. The government knows the masses hold the power, its why they're kept down.

Information cannot be suppressed. There is a youtube video I wanted to post with this that IS AMAZING. Its talks about things how something like 6 billion texts sent a day, think about the spread of information. If people ever realized how much power they have we would be unstoppable in a positive way

IT IS LITERALLY OUT OF CONTROL. True utopia/revolution is upon us for the first time ever because you can literally read and watch whatever you want. Self-education is now infinite and EASY

It's very possible, and will be easily implemented. If they want they can concoct reasons, it doesn't really matter, they will slowly implement more and more restrictions and regulations on the internet and people will take it. You don't punch the public in the face, you start with love taps.

I really doubt it will be possible. Don't you see? If people know about oppression thats all it takes to prevent it. The government knows the masses hold the power, its why they're kept down.

Information cannot be suppressed. There is a youtube video I wanted to post with this that IS AMAZING. Its talks about things how something like 6 billion texts sent a day, think about the spread of information. If people ever realized how much power they have we would be unstoppable in a positive way

IT IS LITERALLY OUT OF CONTROL. True utopia/revolution is upon us for the first time ever because you can literally read and watch whatever you want. Self-education is now infinite and EASY

I just hope it can happen soon enough, and that the baby boomers' relevance in affairs gets limited. We're at the hockeystick end of exponential growth in the following areas:

resource depletion(precious and industrial metals)
oil depletion
energy demand(see how that conflicts with the previous point?)
human population
animal species extinction
national debt(10 trillion now)

As soon as we stop worrying about imaginary terrorists maybe we can address shit like that.

And yes, information is readily available, and yet on an almost daily basis I'm still confronted with enormous amounts of ignorant and misinformed arguments and comments from numerous people.

The information is there, but that doesn't mean everyone's soaking it up. People are still wildly stupid and ignorant.

The information is there, but that doesn't mean everyone's soaking it up. People are still wildly stupid and ignorant.

Compared to 20 years ago the gap is enormous.

Think about how much Ron Paul got people talking about certain issues no one else is willing to address, it was all because of the Internet.

I agree that the internet is powerful and could change a lot. But it's ridiculous, how many people will still vote for McCain and Obama rather than someone like Ron Paul, and this is mostly because of the digital divide. It wouldn't take much though, to set up meetings in strategic places and show people information from the internet which tells them why they shouldn't vote for a particular person..



But there's the problem of people not trusting the accuracy of the internet... But when people say "oh yeah you learned that from the internet, so I wouldn't trust that" you can reply with something like "oh and I suppose if you call up this university professor and ask him and he tells you the same, you won't believe that either?" Cause sources on the internet can be directly linked to real-life sources and phone numbers, which people have a very difficult time arguing against.

also I think they'll be illegally censoring it before they start passing laws to censor it and in that case the internet won't be so useful for the "good" side, and more useful for the evil side.

Lately I've seen ads on tv, I think by Ron Paul, which actually told the truth about the government antagonizing Iran. The ad actually showed a picture of a google search, it freaked me out. The truth on tv...... It was so weird.

Some People knew about the war on drugs, the military industrial complex, and other conspiracies long before the Internet. Have you never heard of shortwave radio or the John Birch Society?

The idea that Wikipedia is waking people up to anything is a complete joke. Articles on 9/11, USS Liberty, and the like are complete cover-ups authored by Mossad agents and their volunteer counterparts in the Jewish-controlled "blogosphere".

I guess people should start saving the important info before it's no longer so easily obtainable in the US... And Chimro, no one takes you seriously. Go play with your action figures.

I guess people should start saving the important info before it's no longer so easily obtainable in the US... And Chimro, no one takes you seriously. Go play with your action figures.

This.

And the thing is people do know about the Military Industrial Complex, but not enough people to make the impact needed.

Its really simple actually.

Scenario A: Bad things happen Public is unaware. Result is bad things continue

Scenario B: Bad things happen. Public is aware. Result is bad things stop. You can't get elected if you go against the public.


There is a reason why politicians can't say "nigger" or even "Negro" anymore. If they did, no one would elect them. One day a politician will see his downfall not for yelling loudly but for advocating globalism or imperialism. If enough people know, the idea is not all that ridiculous...


Spread the word....Even making a small thread like this has some minor effect. Everything influences everything.

Some People knew about the war on drugs, the military industrial complex, and other conspiracies long before the Internet. Have you never heard of shortwave radio or the John Birch Society?

The idea that Wikipedia is waking people up to anything is a complete joke. Articles on 9/11, USS Liberty, and the like are complete cover-ups authored by Mossad agents and their volunteer counterparts in the Jewish-controlled "blogosphere".

Not everyone has a shortwave receiver...

Wiki and the internet does wake people up to facts regardless of whether or not what they read is factual. When they read it and go out and question people of conflicting opinion, they receive more information. The internet opens people to question what they know and what they read more than ever before because information is so cheap and readilly available.

Should organize people in each state, to start spreading the information at public meetings. They can't arrest you for speaking to people and telling them these things. When people tell their friends, and their friends may tell some friends, that's good, but it won't do nearly as good as organizing and having meetings with the public to discuss these things intelligently, cause that'll make some noise and get noticed more. And it really won't cost that much money if you could recruit someone in each state to do it.

If you were to try this all by yourself without just contacting people in other states via the internet to help you, you'd need to spend a lot of money flying around the country, visiting the "ignorant" parts of the US, which you'd have to find first.

And it's not just adults that need to be educated on these things. Kids are the future generations so they need to be informed too.


I've noticed lately, wikipedia and bbc being editted to support McCain's campaign and the CIA. It's pretty disturbing when they start doing shit like that.

True utopia/revolution is upon us for the first time ever because you can literally read and watch whatever you want. Self-education is now infinite and EASY

Most people don't really care and are too stupid. just my opinion, but all my experience has led me to believe this. I have no faith in the masses. They are not going to educate themselves, they will not pay attention to important information, they're to lazy to act and if they do act it will be on impulse, not in a planned intelligent way. The internet will help a small percentage of people who are willing to act educate themselves, but you cannot rely on the masses.

but you cannot rely on the masses.

This is true, you can't rely on them to educate themselves with truth. They won't just decide one day to seek this information. It has to be organized... And I'm too lazy to do it, although it wouldn't be difficult for me.

We should make a truth rollercoaster, which attracts thrill seeking masses and exposes them to the TRUTH!!!

And all the "smart" people in colleges & unies? Going from one year to the next? Graduating? Not all of them are exceptionally well educated when they get out.

People only have so much time. They are only interested in certain things. Just because the "Truth is out there"? It doesn't mean that people want to hear it. As a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. No?

Disregarding propaganda pushed by well funded experts may be hard when it leads one to believe that they are hearing the truth. Why look farther when you already "know"? Why believe anything different when you've already made up your mind using the "Facts"?

"They hate our freedoms"? Basically BS. How many times have people both high & low been heard to say that though? Heck, OPpie? I wouldn't be surprised if you say it too?:D

We should make a truth rollercoaster, which attracts thrill seeking masses and exposes them to the TRUTH!!!

Bwaaahahahahahaha

the technology that could save us will be the technology that will crush us.

in 5-10 years, the average person will not be able to buy electronic devices. rare elements are running out. however, the powers that be will be more then able to find new ways to build computers, cameras, satellites, trackers... different means for Cybergod to enslave us with.

in 15 years there will be dumb serfs, who can not afford electronics, cyberpunks, that use old/stolen equipment to fight the system, and technocrats, that will subjugate the first 2.

the technology that could save us will be the technology that will crush us.

in 5-10 years, the average person will not be able to buy electronic devices. rare elements are running out. however, the powers that be will be more then able to find new ways to build computers, cameras, satellites, trackers... different means for Cybergod to enslave us with.

in 15 years there will be dumb serfs, who can not afford electronics, cyberpunks, that use old/stolen equipment to fight the system, and technocrats, that will subjugate the first 2.

Glamorous and exciting.

Glamorous and exciting.

precisely.

I really doubt it will be possible. Don't you see? If people know about oppression thats all it takes to prevent it. The government knows the masses hold the power, its why they're kept down.

Information cannot be suppressed. There is a youtube video I wanted to post with this that IS AMAZING. Its talks about things how something like 6 billion texts sent a day, think about the spread of information. If people ever realized how much power they have we would be unstoppable in a positive way

IT IS LITERALLY OUT OF CONTROL. True utopia/revolution is upon us for the first time ever because you can literally read and watch whatever you want. Self-education is now infinite and EASY

Its entirely possible. The beginnings are already here: see australian internet censorship, and the US net-neutrality debacle. In fact, it's already instilled in us not to trust things we read on the internet. Its a sad but true fact that as the ease of distributing information goes up, the reliability of said information goes down. Expect the powers that be to fully take advantage of that.

Its entirely possible. The beginnings are already here: see australian internet censorship

Is there a thread on this yet?

Glamorous and exciting.

Indeed. Although it's not quite as dramatic as a world when we are in a huge war or under a police state.

Indeed. Although it's not quite as dramatic as a world when we are in a huge war or under a police state.

I like you more and more now.

Also, did you see my nationalization thread? I would really love to hear your opinion on it (along with Lewcifer's and Nshanin's), if possible.

The internet is the single largest information resource ever wrought upon mankind. It holds the infinite ability to link millions of people with ideas and promises of tomorrow. It's a giant collective cerebral cortex of the information age—the most searched word? "Sex"... followed a close second by "the". Mankind: ruining everything we touch.

Its entirely possible. The beginnings are already here: see australian internet censorship, and the US net-neutrality debacle. In fact, it's already instilled in us not to trust things we read on the internet. Its a sad but true fact that as the ease of distributing information goes up, the reliability of said information goes down. Expect the powers that be to fully take advantage of that.

Wikipedia's pretty good with that sort of thing; citations are required, so you're always able to see where it came from if you need to be sure.

As for the Australian censorship, we'll see how that plays out. So far I haven't seen any real information on specifically what they are going to try to filter or how effective their efforts will be, just that there will be a blacklist determined by the government. How effective it will be has yet to be seen.

I'm not convinced that they're capable of genuinely controlling what is said on the internet. Anyone can anonymously post anything to thousands of places where millions can potentially see it; that's not exactly an easy thing to stop. The concept of ISP records is worrying, but there are still huge obstacles. I guess if they indexed the records and hashed everything by time sent (not that hard to figure out exactly when someone put something out there), then it might be concievably possible to search them. But then you could just encrypt everything to make that impossible.

So yeah, there are significant logistics obstacles, not to mention the political and legal ones. If they somehow manage to curtail software and music piracy, which there's already political and legal support for, then I might start to worry.

Wikipedia's pretty good with that sort of thing; citations are required, so you're always able to see where it came from if you need to be sure.

As for the Australian censorship, we'll see how that plays out. So far I haven't seen any real information on specifically what they are going to try to filter or how effective their efforts will be, just that there will be a blacklist determined by the government. How effective it will be has yet to be seen.

I'm not convinced that they're capable of genuinely controlling what is said on the internet. Anyone can anonymously post anything to thousands of places where millions can potentially see it; that's not exactly an easy thing to stop. The concept of ISP records is worrying, but there are still huge obstacles. I guess if they indexed the records and hashed everything by time sent (not that hard to figure out exactly when someone put something out there), then it might be concievably possible to search them. But then you could just encrypt everything to make that impossible.

So yeah, there are significant logistics obstacles, not to mention the political and legal ones. If they somehow manage to curtail software and music piracy, which there's already political and legal support for, then I might start to worry.

Oh I don't think by any means they're going to have a coherent solution to stop the spread of info on the net entirely. All they have to do however, is make it just difficult enough to keep the vast majority of the population from bothering.

Take the australian censorship dealy. Sure, you can opt out of it, but how many people actually will go through the time and effort to do it? And the people that will opt out are the people that realize the importance of the internet, i.e. those that are already here.

I think we will go town the road of "The Internet2", that project supposedly designed to only contain verified factual stuff. The old internet will go on, but will be left to hackers, conspiracists, loonies and of course the people who monitor their illegal activity.

From what I've experienced on the net - and I've been using it a long time now - most people on the internet are morons, especially from English speaking countries (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Hardly learned at all.

I think we will go town the road of "The Internet2", that project supposedly designed to only contain verified factual stuff. The old internet will go on, but will be left to hackers, conspiracists, loonies and of course the people who monitor their illegal activity.

If by verified fact you mean government approved information, sure

If by verified fact you mean government approved information, sure

How about verified by the scientific community, or whatever relevant authority on the subject.

It's a dobule edged sword. Just think of how much pull "Intelligent Design"/"Creationism has had because of the Internet.

First teach critical thinking, then teach them to use the Internet.

As for the Australian censorship, we'll see how that plays out. So far I haven't seen any real information on specifically what they are going to try to filter or how effective their efforts will be, just that there will be a blacklist determined by the government. How effective it will be has yet to be seen.
Wrong. http://users.on.net/~newton/ellis-2008-10-20.pdf

I'm not convinced that they're capable of genuinely controlling what is said on the internet. Anyone can anonymously post anything to thousands of places...
They're already blocking (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1075390&p=4) one of the world's biggest websites, 4chan.org.

Most people don't really care and are too stupid. just my opinion, but all my experience has led me to believe this. I have no faith in the masses. They are not going to educate themselves, they will not pay attention to important information, they're to lazy to act and if they do act it will be on impulse, not in a planned intelligent way. The internet will help a small percentage of people who are willing to act educate themselves, but you cannot rely on the masses.

yeah they would rather watch a dancing kitty on youtube with faggot music in the background. pretty much sums up the younger generation.