A President needs to put the American Public's needs ahead of his own. John McCain already has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own.
When he was a POW in North Vietnam, The North Vietnamese were going to release him from captivity early when they found out that his father was an Admiral.
Mr. McCain refused. He told them to release people who had been there longer than him first.
He had no idea what they would do. He may very well have been killed the next day.
I believe just like John McCain put his fellow Pow's needs ahead of his own, he will also put the American people's needs ahead of his own.
We need a man with a character like that as our president!

I can't tell if this is a serious thread or not...

He is serious. He is just a really bad troll, with terrible ideas.

Being a pincushion in Vietnam, does not qualify one to be president. Choosing to stay does not.

He is serious. He is just a really bad troll, with terrible ideas.

Being a pincushion in Vietnam, does not qualify one to be president. Choosing to stay does not.

I am not saying that being a POW or refusing early release qualifies anyone to be president.

I am saying that it speaks to the character of the man.

Since he has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own, he is likely to put other people's needs ahead of his own in the future.

It would take a moron to disagree with that.

In this election, I could give two shits about character...I want someone who can fix the economy

I think this also speaks well of his character


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

In this election, I could give two shits about character...I want someone who can fix the economy

If you do not care about the character of the person we elect as president, you are a fool.

If you do not care about the character of the person we elect as president, you are a fool.

why? as long as he does his job (keeping the country running well) why should I give two shits about what he does behind closed doors?

why? as long as he does his job (keeping the country running well) why should I give two shits about what he does behind closed doors?

I agree with you in principle except that there tends to be somewhat of a correlation between the character of the president and his performance as the leader of the country. I find, anyway.

Though it's very hard to qualify "character".

If he were really going to put country first, he would have done his job in all of those years in the Senate. Instead he waits to run for President and suddenly starts saying that he has all these plans to fix everything. Not to mention that he is still a Senator and nothing is stopping him from putting these plans into action except himself. But I guess it really comes down to what he can get for himself (the Oval Office), rather than what he can do for the country (his damned job in the Senate).

And yes, I am well aware that Obama is no different in this aspect. Before Powell came out for Obama, I was seriously considering not voting for either of the two.

I am not saying that being a POW or refusing early release qualifies anyone to be president.

You are a fucking moron.

Why do you assert he is the right choice, in the very title of YOUR fucking thread? What other evidence have you provided that he is the right choice, if not his POW days?

As I said you are a troll, and none to bright.

Since he has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own, he is likely to put other people's needs ahead of his own in the future.

It would take a moron to disagree with that.

It would take someone with your room temperature I.Q. to use that as a basis for asserting he is the right choice.

I am saying that it speaks to the character of the man.

Look at the McCain before 2000. Look at him now. He lost his character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHUlA7Oe9YY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEjah3lDJvQ

If you do not care about the character of the person we elect as president, you are a fool.

Picking Palin was a character flaw. John McCain recklessly picked someone he didn't know that is severely under-qualified. Obama did the opposite and picked someone much more experienced than him.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/40115/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-understanding-real-america-in-wasilla

Skip to 2:00 to see just what the mayor of Wasilla does. Sorry if you have to watch an ad but comedy central jews youtube.

As for being a governor? Alaska is unlike any other state. They get money from oil, distribute it to the citiizens, and not much else.

Actual responsibilities! "But what do you do?"

Ummm... We have a staff meeting on Monday... Thursday is check day...

I am saying that it speaks to the character of the man.


It speaks of his character then, not necessarily now.

To speak about his character now, you must take recent examples. Like how he has pretty much contradicted all his potions (e.g. abortion, torture, taxes to name a few) just for the sake of getting elected and thus screwing all the people that counted on those positions.

What he said and did as a POW is completely irrevelant to what he will do as president. I expect him to do what he did as a soldier, that's what soldiers should do.

And how do you know Obama wouldn't have done the same thing? Not saying he would've, but you don't know that.

OP--with all due respect, you are a fucking moron.

McCain has track record of supporting the Shrub. We have had enough.

Picking Palin was a character flaw. John McCain recklessly picked someone he didn't know that is severely under-qualified. Obama did the opposite and picked someone much more experienced than him.



Skip to 2:00 to see just what the mayor of Wasilla does. Sorry if you have to watch an ad but comedy central jews youtube.

As for being a governor? Alaska is unlike any other state. They get money from oil, distribute it to the citiizens, and not much else.

What's more, Palin reached her level of incompetance as mayor. She hired a city manager to do her job, redecorated her office (TWICE) at taxpayers expense, bought a fancy SUV for herself--we called it the mayormobile--and so forth,

She is a liar, a hypocrite, a "middle-class"millionaire in $150,000 worth of designer clothing from Saks and Neiman-Marcus.

I think this also speaks well of his character


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf. The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.

Hmm..

OP--with all due respect, you are a fucking moron.

i was going to go into a big long thing to reply to this thread, but this pretty much sums up what i was going to say anyway.

There was a baseball strike in America, 1994. They brought in what were called "replacement players" College level and minor leaguers.
A famous manager of the time said (paraphrased) " I don't care how hard these guys try, I don't need someone who gives 110%, I don't need truckdrivers who are going to play their hearts out, I need real players."

McCain can try his heart out, but character will not win world battles.
It's time to value knowledge, intelligence, internal wisdom and I guess some street smarts, over valor and character.
And as far as character goes, McCain is a shill for his handlers these days.
Even today he continues to evoke Joe the Plumber, who can't buy his own plumbing business because Obama will stop him via taxation.
Joe the Plumber is totally discredited as making less than $50K per year, which would mean Obama would help him,
but John McCain keeps referencing Joe the Plumber as a person only he can help.
Hello, get with the program , dude.
Speaking of valor and character, John McCain was willing to die for an utterly worthless war effort in Vietnam.
He was stupid to be in that position to begin with, and he isn't any brighter now.
People who protested against the Vietnam war are more worthy and valient than stupid grunts who simply follow orders.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk131/narikbond/obama_hype.jpg

He's like Infomercial-gone-presidential candidate. I'm surprised his ads don't say "Obama Inc."

"Financial problems? Medical problems? Wanting something fresh and new?! We have the thing for you! Obama can fix all your problems. This new product slices, it dices it uses a scalpel on the economy. It's like voting for FREE MONEY! Call now! Operators are standing by."

He has a logo, and his dictator posters are good for a laugh. There's a sucker born every minute. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. ect...

why? as long as he does his job (keeping the country running well) why should I give two shits about what he does behind closed doors?

Because if you elect a person of bad character, they may rip off taxpayers behind closed doors. That would not bode well for the economy.

If he were really going to put country first, he would have done his job in all of those years in the Senate. Instead he waits to run for President and suddenly starts saying that he has all these plans to fix everything. Not to mention that he is still a Senator and nothing is stopping him from putting these plans into action except himself. But I guess it really comes down to what he can get for himself (the Oval Office), rather than what he can do for the country (his damned job in the Senate).

And yes, I am well aware that Obama is no different in this aspect. Before Powell came out for Obama, I was seriously considering not voting for either of the two.

I believe that Obama is also a senator.

You are a fucking moron.

Why do you assert he is the right choice, in the very title of YOUR fucking thread? What other evidence have you provided that he is the right choice, if not his POW days?

As I said you are a troll, and none to bright.



It would take someone with your room temperature I.Q. to use that as a basis for asserting he is the right choice.

My friend, you can insult me all you like. It appears that you are the one who needs a checkup from the neck up.

Look at the McCain before 2000. Look at him now. He lost his character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHUlA7Oe9YY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEjah3lDJvQ

The only response I have to this is that figures do not lie, but liars DO figure.

What he said and did as a POW is completely irrevelant to what he will do as president. I expect him to do what he did as a soldier, that's what soldiers should do.

And how do you know Obama wouldn't have done the same thing? Not saying he would've, but you don't know that.

You assume wrong about soldiers. There were soldiers who were offered early release from North Vietnam that took it.

<< Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant View Post
OP--with all due respect, you are a fucking moron.>>

<<i was going to go into a big long thing to reply to this thread, but this pretty much sums up what i was going to say anyway.>>

You people like to call other people names. You are really talking about yourselves.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk131/narikbond/obama_hype.jpg

He's like Infomercial-gone-presidential candidate. I'm surprised his ads don't say "Obama Inc."

"Financial problems? Medical problems? Wanting something fresh and new?! We have the thing for you! Obama can fix all your problems. This new product slices, it dices it uses a scalpel on the economy. It's like voting for FREE MONEY! Call now! Operators are standing by."

He has a logo, and his dictator posters are good for a laugh. There's a sucker born every minute. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. ect...

What the hell is the point of this post? You're such a douchebag I can't even point and laugh at you. I just shake my head at how embittered someone can be. You ever heard of a thing called marketing? Does McCain himself not use marketing? Maverick and his only reason for picking Palin are MARKETING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

Republicans have one of the best marketers around: Frank Luntz. This guy pioneered the little graph things you see on CNN and is responsible for such things as:
global warming being referred to as climate change
oil drilling -> energy exploration
inheritance tax -> death tax
Palin was picked specifically to appeal to morons like you. The republicans liken american voters to american idol watchers.

Political marketing has been around forever. "I like Ike."
"A return to normalcy" "It's the economy, stupid"

"Joe the plumber", was coined after the media twisted one of obama's best moments against him.

One of two people will become president. Neither is perfect. One wants to defend the status quo. One plans change. The majority of people benefit more from obama's plans, even if he fails to carry them out in full. That is why he is gaining support. The other side realizes that they can't convince people they can change things, so their strategy has been to label the other a socialist, a commie, someone with a shady background, etc. Obama has spent 113 million dollars in commercials informing people of just how shitty the $5000 tax health credits are and they're so effective that McCain barely mentions them anymore. Now please tell me, logically, why the majority of over 40 million people who can't afford health insurance should vote against their interests? I guarantee you if mccain had a good plan for change he would be marketing it just as strongly and would have just as much support. He can change the 5000 credit dollar plan, but this far in the game it would be just as much fail. If it's such a good plan why isn't he making counter-arguments in his commercials? The problem is that he is too status quo and even marketing geniuses like luntz aren't saving him this time.

One of the most effective obama ads I've seen plays a recording of McCain himself proudly boasting that he voted with Bush 90% of the time. If that's not serious ownage I don't know what is.

What else is a great idea? Spending freeze? WTF is that shit? I guarantee you he won't be freezing military spending. The war on iraqis won't stop. It'll just cut back on pesky things like science and aid to the poor(one of his bases) while he takes a year to bullshit. More status quo BS.

Seriously, his campaign is a steaming pile of shit. Don't blame the evil socialists for his lack of persona, orator skills, and his general cluelessness about this country and his lack of ideas for improving it.

A President needs to put the American Public's needs ahead of his own. John McCain already has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own.
When he was a POW in North Vietnam, The North Vietnamese were going to release him from captivity early when they found out that his father was an Admiral.
Mr. McCain refused. He told them to release people who had been there longer than him first.
He had no idea what they would do. He may very well have been killed the next day.
I believe just like John McCain put his fellow Pow's needs ahead of his own, he will also put the American people's needs ahead of his own.
We need a man with a character like that as our president!

Too bad your an acolyte,I might have took you serious.:mad:

What the hell is the point of this post? You're such a douchebag I can't even point and laugh at you. I just shake my head at how embittered someone can be. You ever heard of a thing called marketing? Does McCain himself not use marketing? Maverick and his only reason for picking Palin are MARKETING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

Republicans have one of the best marketers around: Frank Luntz. This guy pioneered the little graph things you see on CNN and is responsible for such things as:
global warming being referred to as climate change
oil drilling -> energy exploration
inheritance tax -> death tax
Palin was picked specifically to appeal to morons like you. The republicans liken american voters to american idol watchers.

Political marketing has been around forever. "I like Ike."
"A return to normalcy" "It's the economy, stupid"

"Joe the plumber", was coined after the media twisted one of obama's best moments against him.

One of two people will become president. Neither is perfect. One wants to defend the status quo. One plans change. The majority of people benefit more from obama's plans, even if he fails to carry them out in full. That is why he is gaining support. The other side realizes that they can't convince people they can change things, so their strategy has been to label the other a socialist, a commie, someone with a shady background, etc. Obama has spent 113 million dollars in commercials informing people of just how shitty the $5000 tax health credits are and they're so effective that McCain barely mentions them anymore. Now please tell me, logically, why the majority of over 40 million people who can't afford health insurance should vote against their interests? I guarantee you if mccain had a good plan for change he would be marketing it just as strongly and would have just as much support. He can change the 5000 credit dollar plan, but this far in the game it would be just as much fail. If it's such a good plan why isn't he making counter-arguments in his commercials? The problem is that he is too status quo and even marketing geniuses like luntz aren't saving him this time.

One of the most effective obama ads I've seen plays a recording of McCain himself proudly boasting that he voted with Bush 90% of the time. If that's not serious ownage I don't know what is.

What else is a great idea? Spending freeze? WTF is that shit? I guarantee you he won't be freezing military spending. The war on iraqis won't stop. It'll just cut back on pesky things like science and aid to the poor(one of his bases) while he takes a year to bullshit. More status quo BS.

Seriously, his campaign is a steaming pile of shit. Don't blame the evil socialists for his lack of persona, orator skills, and his general cluelessness about this country and his lack of ideas for improving it.

You, like most people, really need to stop paying so much attention to political ads. Obama spent a quarter of a million dollars every half hour for the last month on TV ads. Of course you're going to see more anti-McCain and pipe-dream Obama rhetoric. I tend to get information from websites dealing with voting history and tax information. Obama votes for special interests. I want someone who votes for American interests.

I don't have to pay for people to go to the doctor. I don't have to put money in people's pockets. I don't have to send people's kids to college. Just being an American shouldn't be a free ride.

Also, you should find this article interesting. It would be a lot like his presidency.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-money.html

You, like most people, really need to stop paying so much attention to political ads.

The aim of political ads is get people to know more about a political candidate and his policies. Given this, why wouldn't we want to pay attention to them? Although I do realise you qualified it with "so much" so I kind of see your point. I guess paying too much attention, if there is such a thing, can theoretically be a bad thing.



Obama spent a quarter of a million dollars every half hour for the last month on TV ads. Of course you're going to see more anti-McCain and pipe-dream Obama rhetoric. I tend to get information from websites dealing with voting history and tax information. Obama votes for special interests. I want someone who votes for American interests.

Kindly explain your reasoning for why you think Obama votes for special interests.


I don't have to pay for people to go to the doctor. I don't have to put money in people's pockets. I don't have to send people's kids to college. Just being an American shouldn't be a free ride.

First of all, I don't think you literally have to pay for other people to go to the doctor, or put money in people's pockets. That being said, I am not familiar with Obama's policies (being a non-American and all), I can't comment on it too much. Although I have to say that implementing socialist polices does not equate giving everybody a free ride. There are certain things that are better run by a centralised agency/government that is accountable to the people, instead of by profit-oriented corporations. You, along with a lot of Americans, seem to have an innate distrust of socialist polices, despite not fully knowing what they really entail (this is examplified by your calling them derogatory names such as "free ride"). I suggest you maybe study Hugo Chavez a bit, see what he's done for his country, and keep in mind that he's a socialist.

You, like most people, really need to stop paying so much attention to political ads. Obama spent a quarter of a million dollars every half hour for the last month on TV ads. Of course you're going to see more anti-McCain and pipe-dream Obama rhetoric. I tend to get information from websites dealing with voting history and tax information. Obama votes for special interests. I want someone who votes for American interests.

I don't have to pay for people to go to the doctor. I don't have to put money in people's pockets. I don't have to send people's kids to college. Just being an American shouldn't be a free ride.

Also, you should find this article interesting. It would be a lot like his presidency.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-money.html

My reasons for voting are hardly relevant. Ron Paul and Obama both have shown that they can break records in campaign contributions by the common population.

Republicans are no strangers to big spending, and they have extremely talented marketers. Frank Luntz is one of my idols. The whole point was: don't be bitter that Obama has more support and is pulling off a better marketing strategy, when there is NO disadvantage that the republican campaign has in terms of resources. If McCain can't match donations it's because he sucks ass at motivating people, and that's a flaw in a candidate. Every single presidential candidate has used slogans, gimmicks, and whatnot. Maverick and Sarah Palin's entire persona are great examples.

Also, I won't discuss your socialismphobia in this thread. You're trying to define what an American is for me and I'm afraid my rant would be too long to stay on topic.

The aim of political ads is get people to know more about a political candidate and his policies. Given this, why wouldn't we want to pay attention to them? Although I do realise you qualified it with "so much" so I kind of see your point. I guess paying too much attention, if there is such a thing, can theoretically be a bad thing.
Yes, but by and large they are exaggerated misquotes and manipulated facts. A very bad source for information. Shouldn't be that way, but it is.

For instance, I saw one where McCain is seen saying "I voted with Bush over 90% of the time" or something. Obama voted with Bush 41% of the time, but Obama didn't vote 40% of the time. So he only opposed Bush roughly 20% of the time. At least McCain had voted. Obama just voted "present" or "no vote": telling me he is very well indecisive.


Kindly explain your reasoning for why you think Obama votes for special interests.
Take a look at both candidate's records, specifically look at ACORN, ACLU and NAACP.
Obama (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?category=13&go.x=2&go.y=2&can_id=9490&type=category)
McCain (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?category=13&go.x=7&go.y=5&can_id=53270&type=category)


There are certain things that are better run by a centralised agency/government that is accountable to the people, instead of by profit-oriented corporations.
When the government acts as a bureaucracy between you and a large for-profit corporation, nothing good can come of that. (e.g. tax increases) That's exactly what Obama's plan entails.

You're trying to define what an American is for me and I'm afraid my rant would be too long to stay on topic.
No, I'm not. I said what I, as a young professional in the United States, should not have to do. Followed shortly by a statement of detestation of the government supporting people. Don't you lefties remember what your hero and savior said? "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

When the government acts as a bureaucracy between you and a large for-profit corporation, nothing good can come of that. (e.g. tax increases) That's exactly what Obama's plan entails.

Hmm? Actually that is not what socialism is all (as in the government acting as a bureaucracy between the people and a corporation) about. In fact, I suspect you don't even know what true socialism entails (you seem to keep associating negative things like "tax increases" with it, all the while completely ignoring the social good that it can bring).

Although I probably can't argue with you on Obama's plan, maybe he does intend to increase taxes I don't know. I just hope that you can keep an open mind about socialism.


No, I'm not. I said what I, as a young professional in the United States, should not have to do. Followed shortly by a statement of detestation of the government supporting people. Don't you lefties remember what your hero and savior said? "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

What's wrong with that quote? And also, don't call us derogatory names like "leftists". We are entitled to our believes and we believe that socialism is a superior system.

Hmm? Actually that is not what socialism is all (as in the government acting as a bureaucracy between the people and a corporation) about. In fact, I suspect you don't even know what true socialism entails (you seem to keep associating negative things like "tax increases" with it, all the while completely ignoring the social good that it can bring).
Who the fuck is talking about socialism? I never said anything about socialism. You and Zay brought up socialism. I just said what I don't have to do. I won't vote for someone who wants to make me pay for others' financial inefficiency.

Also, I never compared anything to socialism in this thread. However, I will address your statements.

I do know what socialism entails. I never said the word "Socialism" in this thread until this post. I said Obama's plan uses the government as a bureaucracy that stands between you and a large for-profit corporation that provides health care. You said it is not socialism, I never said it was. Capiche?

Although I probably can't argue with you on Obama's plan, maybe he does intend to increase taxes I don't know. I just hope that you can keep an open mind about socialism.
That's what pisses me off so bad, people say "Obama wants to lower taxes." Yeah, he wants to, ideally, every politician wants to. No one can crunch exact numbers for his plans, that worries me.


What's wrong with that quote? And also, don't call us derogatory names like "leftists". We are entitled to our believes and we believe that socialism is a superior system.
Nothing is wrong with that quote. In fact, I like it. I wish Obama and other "gimmie" Americans would heed it.

That's wonderful you consider socialism a superior system. However, as Gadsden said, "Don't tread on me."

Who the fuck is talking about socialism? I never said anything about socialism. You and Zay brought up socialism. I just said what I don't have to do. I won't vote for someone who wants to make me pay for others' financial inefficiency.

I see. So maybe we brought up socialism when you didn't. That's not a big deal. This is a discussion forum and everybody is free to bring into the debate whatever they want to talk about. No need to start the swearing.

Also, Obama's plan is (most likely, I say this because I 1. am not familiar with his policies and 2. I don't know which of his policies you are referring to) not about making you pay for others' financial inefficiency. If you truly believe this, kindly present your reasoning.


Also, I never compared anything to socialism in this thread. However, I will address your statements.

I do know what socialism entails. I never said the word "Socialism" in this thread until this post. I said Obama's plan uses the government as a bureaucracy that stands between you and a large for-profit corporation that provides health care. You said it is not socialism, I never said it was. Capiche?

I see. If indeed it is true that Obama just wants a bureaucracy to stand between the average citizens and a corporation then I think I am against it too. Though you have to show why you think this is so.


Nothing is wrong with that quote. In fact, I like it. I wish Obama and other "gimmie" Americans would heed it.

That's wonderful you consider socialism a superior system. However, as Gadsden said, "Don't tread on me."

Heh. People wanting to introduce socialist ideas to you are not "treading" on you. Although I can see that with that attitude you will be not very receptive to us.

Staying in Vietnam to get "tortured" is just the story McCain is trying to sell you.

"In the company of his fellow POWs, and later in isolation, McCain slowly and miserably recovered from his wounds. In June 1968, after three months in solitary, he was offered what he calls early release. In the official McCain narrative, this was the ultimate test of mettle. He could have come home, but keeping faith with his fellow POWs, he chose to remain imprisoned in Hanoi.

What McCain glosses over is that accepting early release would have required him to make disloyal statements that would have violated the military's Code of Conduct. If he had done so, he could have risked court-martial and an ignominious end to his military career. "Many of us were given this offer," according to Butler, McCain's classmate who was also taken prisoner. "It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to 'admit' that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was 'lenient and humane.' So I, like numerous others, refused the offer."

"He makes it sound like it was a great thing to have accomplished," says Dramesi. "A great act of discipline or strength. That simply was not the case." In fairness, it is difficult to judge McCain's experience as a POW; throughout most of his incarceration he was the only witness to his mistreatment."

Here read something http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1

No, I'm not. I said what I, as a young professional in the United States, should not have to do. Followed shortly by a statement of detestation of the government supporting people. Don't you lefties remember what your hero and savior said? "And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

Just being an American shouldn't be a free ride.


That's ultimately where your reasoning stops short. It's really just your sense of entitlement over others' sense of entitlement. I can objectively state that you didn't make money by yourself. Nobody does. A person on welfare receives less in benefits from society than a person paying 39% of their taxes. You consider "redistribution" stealing, but it isn't. Spare me your emotional diatribe. No policy of Obama stops you from working hard.

y brought up socialism. I just said what I don't have to do. I won't vote for someone who wants to make me pay for others' financial inefficiency.


Monopolization is inefficiency. Elimination of competition is inefficiency. Overuse of the judicial system for Patent and copyright enforcement is inefficiency. Prevention of crime is inefficiency. Education is inefficiency. The fact that all income taxes americans pay goes to paying off unprecedented foreign debt is inefficiency.

When your holy corporations stop paying their obvious debt to society, I expect to see them stop relying on our highways, stop tying up our legal system over frivolous lawsuits and things like patent enforcement, I want them to stop using our police forces to enforce copyright so they can fare as well here as they do in third world countries where bootlegs are sold on the streets and in stores and it's hard to find originals. I want to see you compete against more competent and educated foreigners. Well see how loyal your holy corporations are to you. More importantly I want to see how your life goes when you get hit by a car or get cancer through no fault of your own and see how you fare when the other guy has no insurance.

The fact is, your party, since I'm assuming your labeling of me is indicative of your own attachments to your party, has steered ridiculously far from its principles, and McCain would just be a continuation of that. In the name of conservatavism, inefficient financial firms are given money to merge together, failed auto industries are given money to keep competing against superior car makers like toyota and honda, and the people are forced to pay for a useless war far more expensive than aid to the poor. Furthermore, after money is spent blowing shit up, american companies are given money to do a half-assed job rebuilding. THAT is redistribution of wealth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy
Aid to the poor and giving people an equal chance to compete keeps financial dynasties from forming that ultimately cause the opposite of capitalism to happen. Saying that corporations can't have as much influence as a government body is absurd. Thus, the money game is more complex than merely "checking" something that can be accumulated. It's about controlling something with vast psychological properties.
I'll vote for republicans when they get a real conservative on board.

Vote McCain. Obama is a socialist, and make the niggers already on welfare get more money for sitting on there asses and selling crack all day.

Vote McCain. Obama is a socialist, and make the niggers already on welfare get more money for sitting on there asses and selling crack all day.

Hey, idiot, this nigger made more money crashing the economy than you'll ever see in your life, and his broken firm gets your tax dollars. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15738661 btw, if you live in the type of place where "niggers" are a problem, Obama will be more of a help to you. Then again you're probably too stupid to understand that. All hail the maverick. You betcha! *wink*

Joe Biden, sort of repeating the words of Joe Lieberman, spoke recently of a probable test of Obama , should he get elected.
John McCain, speaking of his readiness, is talking about how he was" tested" when during the Cuban Missile crisis , he was sitting in his military aircraft, with orders to bomb Cuba, while awaiting the go-ahead to carry out the mission.
Had he carried out the mission, he thinks a nuclear war may have resulted.
He was that close to nuclear war and thus , he was tested and passed the test, is his claim.

Except , now we know nuclear war wasn't necessary.
But he was ready to follow orders, without question, that could have led to nuclear war.
A "true visionary" would have popped the cockpit canopy and climbed out, while saying " there's no need to bomb Cuba, we can work this out thru diplomacy".

McCain was tested, and he failed the test.

Hey, idiot, this nigger made more money crashing the economy than you'll ever see in your life, and his broken firm gets your tax dollars. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15738661 btw, if you live in the type of place where "niggers" are a problem, Obama will be more of a help to you. Then again you're probably too stupid to understand that. All hail the maverick. You betcha! *wink*

yeah, so lets vote for the nigger who made money off of crashing our economy

yeah, so lets vote for the nigger who made money off of crashing our economy

He didn't mean Obama. He meant the guy in the link, who is a wealthy black man, thus contradicting what that other guy said (i.e. "make the niggers already on welfare get more money for sitting on there asses and selling crack all day.")

does a president really need good moral character and integrity? Look at nixon, he improved our foreign relations, but also tried to cheat to win an election. Then there is clinton, he lied to us about letting a girl suck his dick, but does it really matter? All presidents are going to lie, tell half-truths, or NOT tell us things that we should know. As long as he doesn't take a vacation like californias legislature, or george bush. But I don't imagine mccain or obama would do that, maybe palin though.

Speaking of character... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04nhJ3Vd860)

Joe Biden, sort of repeating the words of Joe Lieberman, spoke recently of a probable test of Obama , should he get elected.
John McCain, speaking of his readiness, is talking about how he was" tested" when during the Cuban Missile crisis , he was sitting in his military aircraft, with orders to bomb Cuba, while awaiting the go-ahead to carry out the mission.
Had he carried out the mission, he thinks a nuclear war may have resulted.
He was that close to nuclear war and thus , he was tested and passed the test, is his claim.

Except , now we know nuclear war wasn't necessary.
But he was ready to follow orders, without question, that could have led to nuclear war.
A "true visionary" would have popped the cockpit canopy and climbed out, while saying " there's no need to bomb Cuba, we can work this out thru diplomacy".

McCain was tested, and he failed the test.

I think that is a little unfair. John McCain didn't have all the information for which to make that decision. Soldiers often do not have all the information. There may have been a few poor sods that didn't know what they were getting in to when the gates fell to the sands at Omaha Beach. Soldiers are to do what their commanding officers tell them unless they know that they would be commiting war crimes. Their commanding officers are the ones that are supposed to be the "true visionaries."

Vote McCain. Obama is a socialist, and make the niggers already on welfare get more money for sitting on there asses and selling crack all day.



Words define thoughts, thoughts define reason, reason defines action, action defines character...

A President needs to put the American Public's needs ahead of his own. John McCain already has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own.
When he was a POW in North Vietnam, The North Vietnamese were going to release him from captivity early when they found out that his father was an Admiral.
Mr. McCain refused. He told them to release people who had been there longer than him first.
He had no idea what they would do. He may very well have been killed the next day.
I believe just like John McCain put his fellow Pow's needs ahead of his own, he will also put the American people's needs ahead of his own.
We need a man with a character like that as our president!

A vote for McCain is two steps closer to Armageddon, A vote for Obama is only one step closer. Decide now

A President needs to put the American Public's needs ahead of his own. John McCain already has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own.
When he was a POW in North Vietnam, The North Vietnamese were going to release him from captivity early when they found out that his father was an Admiral.
Mr. McCain refused. He told them to release people who had been there longer than him first.
He had no idea what they would do. He may very well have been killed the next day.
I believe just like John McCain put his fellow Pow's needs ahead of his own, he will also put the American people's needs ahead of his own.
We need a man with a character like that as our president!


Fuck that! I think that coward knew they were not going to kill him, and feared being killed in combat. If he had any balls he would have single handedly liberated the whole pow camp.

If he were really going to put country first, he would have done his job in all of those years in the Senate. Instead he waits to run for President and suddenly starts saying that he has all these plans to fix everything. Not to mention that he is still a Senator and nothing is stopping him from putting these plans into action except himself. But I guess it really comes down to what he can get for himself (the Oval Office), rather than what he can do for the country (his damned job in the Senate).

And yes, I am well aware that Obama is no different in this aspect. Before Powell came out for Obama, I was seriously considering not voting for either of the two.

it should be noted here that mccain has more ex secretary of states then obama

A President needs to put the American Public's needs ahead of his own. John McCain already has a track record of putting other people's needs ahead of his own.
When he was a POW in North Vietnam, The North Vietnamese were going to release him from captivity early when they found out that his father was an Admiral.
Mr. McCain refused. He told them to release people who had been there longer than him first.
He had no idea what they would do. He may very well have been killed the next day.
I believe just like John McCain put his fellow Pow's needs ahead of his own, he will also put the American people's needs ahead of his own.
We need a man with a character like that as our president!

He is THE only choice. NOBAMA!!! i am voting McCain in tomorrow!!! Obaba is a dangerous choice for the USA!

Staying in Vietnam to get "tortured" is just the story McCain is trying to sell you.

"In the company of his fellow POWs, and later in isolation, McCain slowly and miserably recovered from his wounds. In June 1968, after three months in solitary, he was offered what he calls early release. In the official McCain narrative, this was the ultimate test of mettle. He could have come home, but keeping faith with his fellow POWs, he chose to remain imprisoned in Hanoi.

What McCain glosses over is that accepting early release would have required him to make disloyal statements that would have violated the military's Code of Conduct. If he had done so, he could have risked court-martial and an ignominious end to his military career. "Many of us were given this offer," according to Butler, McCain's classmate who was also taken prisoner. "It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to 'admit' that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was 'lenient and humane.' So I, like numerous others, refused the offer."

"He makes it sound like it was a great thing to have accomplished," says Dramesi. "A great act of discipline or strength. That simply was not the case." In fairness, it is difficult to judge McCain's experience as a POW; throughout most of his incarceration he was the only witness to his mistreatment."

Here read something http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1

What you are saying about him violating the Military's Code of conduct if he had accepted early release, is of course absolutely true. The fact is that others received the same offer of early release and took it. McCain did not.
My question to you is this. What would you have done Tough Guy?
The fact that he would have been violating the Military's code of conduct does not diminish his resolve of character.

Fuck that! I think that coward knew they were not going to kill him, and feared being killed in combat. If he had any balls he would have single handedly liberated the whole pow camp.
He was not and is not a coward.
What would you have done smart ass tough guy. I put guy in lower case because you are low CLASS!
You probably are the coward.

Soooo...how reliable are the sources that say McCain gave "Aid & comfort to the Enemy"? Is it just old propaganda? We all know that partisans are completely willing to discount facts they know to be true & even spread falsehoods. People just don't care about honesty & truth when it comes to their own side or the other side either.

It's all about winning at any cost.

"It is alleged that McCain gave the numbers of aircraft in his flight formation, information about location of rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place. According to retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, McCain divulged classified information North Vietnam used to hone their air defense system, including “the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam. He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn … he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in.” As result, Hopper claims, the U.S. lost 60 per cent more aircraft, and in 1968 “called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.”

(Emphasis mine own)

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine10312008.html

McCain did get better treatment than other prisoners though. That is an undisputed historical fact. Why? Hey? ;)

Thus: if this were known as True by a Republican? They would deny it & say it wasn't. Same goes for Democrats: if they knew it was False? They might well still tell the tale as historical fact.

People are people & what can you do? Just give 'em the stuff you scrape off your shoe.

What you are saying about him violating the Military's Code of conduct if he had accepted early release, is of course absolutely true. The fact is that others received the same offer of early release and took it. McCain did not.
My question to you is this. What would you have done Tough Guy?
The fact that he would have been violating the Military's code of conduct does not diminish his resolve of character.

The fact that his nickname was "songbird" because he gave military information in four days does. The fact that the Vietcong found out who his father was because McCain told them, and begged for medical aid does. The entire recorded history of his time in the military (including watching the fire on the USS Forrester from a CCTV instead of helping) does.

A vote for McCain is two steps closer to Armageddon, A vote for Obama is only one step closer. Decide now

I decide not to believe in an ancient, poorly edited book of ancient Jewish fairy tales.

That is what I decide.

He was not and is not a coward.
What would you have done smart ass tough guy. I put guy in lower case because you are low CLASS!
You probably are the coward.

Don't take my comments up the ass, idiot. Why don't you go rim McCain.

Vote McCain. Obama is a socialist, and make the niggers already on welfare get more money for sitting on there asses and selling crack all day.

this^^^ everyone vote for McCain on Tuesday. He IS the right choice. Just say no to obamys terrorist socialist nazi state!