im a big supporter of ron paul, but ive been getting heat at school for it. nobody will tell me why its bad to support ron paul and im just curious if anyone out there on totse has any good reasons not to like support him. all kinds of posts are accepted, whether it be about him or me. dont be shy :)

because he is a fad and a lot of people just jumped on his bandwagon just to be different. when asked about it 90% of his supporters either a) politically ignorant and support him based solely on name recognition and the "pop culture" factor or b) will only discuss libertarianism and how great that is and not bring up anything about ron paul the candidate or man or whatever. i could go into it more, but most likely all the hate coming your way is probably due to people thinking that ron paul is just a gimmick.

Just curious - high school or college? What are they saying? I'm wondering if they're just Obama supporters or if they have real reasons for disliking him.

because he is a fad and a lot of people just jumped on his bandwagon just to be different. when asked about it 90% of his supporters either a) politically ignorant and support him based solely on name recognition and the "pop culture" factor or b) will only discuss libertarianism and how great that is and not bring up anything about ron paul the candidate or man or whatever. i could go into it more, but most likely all the hate coming your way is probably due to people thinking that ron paul is just a gimmick.

this is an interesting point, that ive somewhat believed.

I am a huge Ron Paul suppoter. But Im open about the fact I understand his policies, ive looked at his voting record, his statements. I did this with pretty much every canidate to a certain extent for each party (im a big Kucinich fan too, but im dissappointed he suppoted Barack Obama). Once I watched the debates and liked what he said, I went out and researched him a lot and came to the conlcusion I liked him.

I know a lot of dumbasses who supported him, who barely know anything about him besides he wants to get out of Iraq. I know ppl who are pretty ignorant and stupid on a lot of issues who jumped on the bandwagon, and i try hard to not be these people. I rofl whenever news teams or whatever interview supporters at rallies cuz theyre complete nitwits. I remember one lady saying she liked sarah palin becuz "she isnt afraid to say what she believed" when the CNN anchor probed about her policies adn mcccains, and what Palin actully did the lady couldnt answer anything.

Back on topic: There are obviously those Democrats who won't hear him becuz hes a Republican. Their are those people who support a lot of the things bush and the fake Republicans have done. And I think a lot of people are somewhat afraid of him. His ideas are so revolutionary and would change are country so much. I mean how many mainstream politicians have similar stances on issues like him? We've been so conditioned by the media to do what were told, and listen to the crap the broadcast. It is really shattering a lot of people's belief systems no matter what age. It is easier to write him off and forget about it, than to listen and analyze what he said and realize what is going on

im a junior in high school. most of the people who tell me im stupid are mostly for obama(who is huge at school by the way) but a few are for mccain. and i dont just like ron paul because hes a fad or whatever, i actually pay attention to what he does and what he wants to do just to avoid confusion. one of the bigger things people are saying is that hes a gun wielding pot smoker(which i have no problem with) and hes an crazy old guy whos outdated. i tell them that they are fucking ignorant and stupid for thinking that but they dont listen.

because he is a fad and a lot of people just jumped on his bandwagon just to be different. when asked about it 90% of his supporters either a) politically ignorant and support him based solely on name recognition and the "pop culture" factor or.

This fits the description of 95% of barrack Obama's supporters I have met. All of Paul's supporters I know had those views before Paul came along, and they will still have them long after he is gone. This is just where I live and some of the friends I talk to on the internet, so I can't speak for everyone.
I have NEVER met a single person who supports Paul who was politically ignorant.


b) will only discuss libertarianism and how great that is and not bring up anything about ron paul the candidate or man or whatever. i could go into it more, but most likely all the hate coming your way is probably due to people thinking that ron paul is just a gimmick

Paul's views were the epitome of libertarianism, you cannot discuss Paul's views without talking about libertarianism(whether you actually use the word or not). Isn't it a good thing to see people moving past the "candidate" and focusing only on the ideas. Also, Paul really doesn't have much charisma, he doesn't try and sway people by talking big, he just told it like it was and that was it. I think his lack of charisma was his biggest problem though(of course other than the media constantly taking a shit on his campaign).
The only real big thing about Paul, the candidate, was that he was the only person in either party who's campaign wasn't in debt, which in my opinion speaks volumes.


Back on topic: There are obviously those Democrats who won't hear him becuz hes a Republican. Their are those people who support a lot of the things bush and the fake Republicans have done. And I think a lot of people are somewhat afraid of him. His ideas are so revolutionary and would change are country so much. I mean how many mainstream politicians have similar stances on issues like him? We've been so conditioned by the media to do what were told, and listen to the crap the broadcast. It is really shattering a lot of people's belief systems no matter what age. It is easier to write him off and forget about it, than to listen and analyze what he said and realize what is going on

You've nailed it. Due to conditioning people are subconsciously, and of course some consciously, afraid of his ideas.

I was always kind of conflicted about publicizing my support for him because I personally find some of his economic policies to be ass-backwards.

His commitment to nonintervention and political freedom, however, are the best I've seen in any politician that's managed to make the news.

This fits the description of 95% of barrack Obama's supporters I have met. All of Paul's supporters I know had those views before Paul came along, and they will still have them long after he is gone. This is just where I live and some of the friends I talk to on the internet, so I can't speak for everyone.
I have NEVER met a single person who supports Paul who was politically ignorant.



Paul's views were the epitome of libertarianism, you cannot discuss Paul's views without talking about libertarianism(whether you actually use the word or not). Isn't it a good thing to see people moving past the "candidate" and focusing only on the ideas. Also, Paul really doesn't have much charisma, he doesn't try and sway people by talking big, he just told it like it was and that was it. I think his lack of charisma was his biggest problem though(of course other than the media constantly taking a shit on his campaign).
The only real big thing about Paul, the candidate, was that he was the only person in either party who's campaign wasn't in debt, which in my opinion speaks volumes.



You've nailed it. Due to conditioning people are subconsciously, and of course some consciously, afraid of his ideas.

McCain doesn't have charisma. Marketers take care of that. The problem with ron paul is that his end-goal is to limit the power of government, and that includes his own party. Oh, and you can't just go against the federal reserve like that. He'd die in a mysterious car crash or we'd discover some stories about him raping babies and kicking dogs.

McCain doesn't have charisma. Marketers take care of that. The problem with ron paul is that his end-goal is to limit the power of government, and that includes his own party. Oh, and you can't just go against the federal reserve like that. He'd die in a mysterious car crash or we'd discover some stories about him raping babies and kicking dogs.

You have a point, McCain has absolutely no charisma. I think he would be doing a lot better in the polls if he did because a lot more people are swayed by charisma than they would like to admit.

Ron Paul's end goal is giving people more responsibility over their own lives, and in order for this to happen the government has to be a lot smaller. Plus, I think we can all agree that a government working within its means is a good thing. How small the government should be should be up to debate, and I look forward to the time when they openly debate how best to shrink the government instead of how to make it spend even more money we don't have.
Going back to the fear of the ideas, a lot of people in the country are like the child who doesn't want to tie their own shoes yet, and would rather have mommy should do it, without taking into account what the effects this would have.

I have heard that about a weak before Kennedy was killed he signed an executive order that ended the federal reserve. I can't remember where I read it, I should go and see if I can find anything to back it up. The thing is that it sounds entirely too believable.

I was always kind of conflicted about publicizing my support for him because I personally find some of his economic policies to be ass-backwards.

His commitment to nonintervention and political freedom, however, are the best I've seen in any politician that's managed to make the news.
This country has a lot of problems, but the easiest thing to fix will be our foreign policy. Bring all our troops home, get out of all that NATO and UN shit, blah blah. Taking on our domestic problems like poverty and such is on a whole other level.

I have heard that about a weak before Kennedy was killed he signed an executive order that ended the federal reserve. I can't remember where I read it, I should go and see if I can find anything to back it up. The thing is that it sounds entirely too believable.
he didn't end the FED or try to. He started printing money regulated by the federal government. He printed like $500,000 worth of these notes. Then LBJ came in and ended that little thing...

95% of all supporters of Ron Paul under the age of 25 are only interested in legalizing pot.

95% of all supporters of Ron Paul under the age of 25 are only interested in legalizing pot.

better than ppl supporting a canidate for "change" and knowing nothing else about him lol.

at my school i know of maybe 2 or 3 ron paul fans. there are actually alot of independents, but they are so stupid as to why. i dont mind the fact they are voting independent, but when i ask them why they like nader or whoever, they say cus they hate obama/mccain(nothing wrong with that) but they cant say anything they like about independents or their polices. that just pisses me off, if your gonna support someone, be knowledgeable on their polices, not just because its different or u hate the main canidates. im not saying you guys are like that, im just ranting about stupid dumbass people at my school.

95% of all supporters of Ron Paul under the age of 25 are only interested in legalizing pot.

67% of all statistics are made up.

Ron Paul isn't for the legalizing of pot, he will just put the decision down to the state level where it belongs.

he didn't end the FED or try to. He started printing money regulated by the federal government. He printed like $500,000 worth of these notes. Then LBJ came in and ended that little thing...

Yeah its Executive Order 11110 which he signed 5 months before his assassination. I read he brought 4.3 billion dollars into the economy.

95% of all supporters of Ron Paul under the age of 25 are only interested in legalizing pot.

A lot of them are interested in legalizing pot but to say thats the only issue they looks at is a little ridiculous. They don't want the country to be in war, they dont want to be have to pay social security(considering we will never see any of that money), they dont want to pay income tax, and they want to see something done about the economy(though most of them will probably admit they dont understand his economic policies).

Fuck, I know a ton of people who seem to think that Obama wants to legalize marijuana so they support him.

As Mack09 said, Ron Paul never said he wanted to legalize marijuana, he just wanted it to become a states issue. If that were to pass I thin it would remain illegal in at least half of the country.

Fuck, I know a ton of people who seem to think that Obama wants to legalize marijuana so they support him.


Me too....its so annoying.

He is just a fad to most people and if McCain wins people will forget about him and go back blaming everything on the president.

I have NEVER met a single person who supports Paul who was politically ignorant.

You haven't been looking very hard then. There are plenty of Paultards here on Totse alone.

about independents or their polices. that just pisses me off, if your gonna support someone, be knowledgeable on their polices, not just because its different or u hate the main canidates. im not saying you guys are like that, im just ranting about stupid dumbass people at my school.
I agree with you 100%, that shit pissed me off. Or the people who love to say how bad and corrupt government is blah blah blah, then they go and vote for Hilary Clinton

Fuck, I know a ton of people who seem to think that Obama wants to legalize marijuana so they support him.

Damn idiots, I think very early in his state senatorial career he did support decriminalization. Then he decided he wanted to climb the political ladder...

As Mack09 said, Ron Paul never said he wanted to legalize marijuana, he just wanted it to become a states issue. If that were to pass I thin it would remain illegal in at least half of the country.
I thot he said he supported decriminlization at a federal level, maybe im wrong? But he does suppot ending the War on Drugs, thats what really matters. I read he asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate the DEA(i think it was DEA) because he said they were lying and misrepresenting the facts about marijuana to the American people. But the GAO cameback and said it didnt matter if they were, becuz they are legally bound to say things that discourage people from doing drugs whether or not its true(in laymans terms).

I think its on his wikipedia page, im just lazy...

I thot he said he supported decriminlization at a federal level, maybe im wrong? But he does suppot ending the War on Drugs, thats what really matters. I read he asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate the DEA(i think it was DEA) because he said they were lying and misrepresenting the facts about marijuana to the American people. But the GAO cameback and said it didnt matter if they were, becuz they are legally bound to say things that discourage people from doing drugs whether or not its true(in laymans terms).

I think its on his wikipedia page, im just lazy...

Yeah, he is against making cannabis illegal at the federal level but he is not going to make it mandatory that cannabis is decriminalized. So he's not for or against the legalization, he just wants to bring it down to the state level.

Ron Paul is against the War on Drugs because it is a failed system; but make no mistake he is not for drug use. He just believes that rehabilitation is better than incarceration.

Ron Paul is against the War on Drugs because it is a failed system; but make no mistake he is not for drug use. He just believes that rehabilitation is better than incarceration.

ron paul is against the war on drugs because that is very statement is impossible. you cant have a war on something like that. just like the war on illiteracy. its just impossible. true its a failed system and he doesnt encourage drug use but u just cant have a war on something like that.

ron paul is against the war on drugs because that is very statement is impossible. you cant have a war on something like that. just like the war on illiteracy. its just impossible. true its a failed system and he doesnt encourage drug use but u just cant have a war on something like that.

You meant that you can't have a literal war on a phenomenon.

You meant that you can't have a literal war on a phenomenon.

yea, thanks for that. i couldnt think of the words lol

Ron Paul has been warning about the dangers of our monetary policy for decades.

I am not sure why the fucktards at your school, wish to tease you about being for the one of the only strict constitutionalists in government, who warned about the market collapse for decades, that is their problem, not yours.

When they grow up, devolop their frontal lobes a bit more, and have some actual experience in the world, I think they will be changing their tune, or living with eyes wides shut, like Blanko here.

Ron Paul has been warning about the dangers of our monetary policy for decades.

I am not sure why the fucktards at your school, wish to tease you about being for the one of the only strict constitutionalists in government, who warned about the market collapse for decades, that is their problem, not yours.

When they grow up, devolop their frontal lobes a bit more, and have some actual experience in the world, I think they will be changing their tune, or living with eyes wides shut, like Blanko here.

What's wrong with the current US monetary policy?

Ron Paul seems to have a good level of intellectual and ideological integrity, he says what he believes in even if that means going against the majority of his party or losing a few points in the polls.

What's wrong with the current US monetary policy?

im sorry for this but, u r pretty fucking ignorant. there is a lot wrong with the us's monetary policy. i dont really want to explain it cus its pretty complicated(although somebody here probably could) but watch either "zeitgeist", or "america:freedom to fascism" by aaron russo they explain it pretty good

once again sorry for that outburst. dont worry, i was once wondered that, but then i saw the light

Ron Paul has been warning about the dangers of our monetary policy for decades.

I am not sure why the fucktards at your school, wish to tease you about being for the one of the only strict constitutionalists in government, who warned about the market collapse for decades, that is their problem, not yours.

When they grow up, devolop their frontal lobes a bit more, and have some actual experience in the world, I think they will be changing their tune, or living with eyes wides shut, like Blanko here.

they will never understand that. even with evidence they still dont believe it. i got into an argument with someone over obama and i at one time i felt like smacking his head to see if that would help. he told me that obama tried to do something about the housing crisis years ago and that mccain is worse about it than he is(which has nothing to do with what we were debating about) idk if thats true or not about the housing crisis(i would guess its not)

he also tried to convince me that obama is an honest good man and i almost burst out laughing at that. almost everything obama has said is bullshit. i dont think if ron paul has ever lied during a rally or debate or during an interview, im not sure but i dont think he has.

im sorry for this but, u r pretty fucking ignorant. there is a lot wrong with the us's monetary policy.

Heh. Of course I am ignorant on the subject, that's why I asked.

Anyways I prefer text-based information if you have it, please.

he also tried to convince me that obama is an honest good man and i almost burst out laughing at that. almost everything obama has said is bullshit. i dont think if ron paul has ever lied during a rally or debate or during an interview, im not sure but i dont think he has.

Unfortunately, the almost the exact same thing applies to the fucking morons that treat Ron Paul like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Heh. Of course I am ignorant on the subject, that's why I asked.

Anyways I prefer text-based information if you have it, please.

idk of any text based information, try searching the web, that usually works pretty good. but try those movies they are pretty good

Unfortunately, the almost the exact same thing applies to the fucking morons that treat Ron Paul like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

idk anybody like that, but im definitely not one of those people. i can only assume that someone like that would be pretty fucking annoying

Heh. Of course I am ignorant on the subject, that's why I asked.

Anyways I prefer text-based information if you have it, please.

I will see if I can help...

The Federal Reserve is a private organization that controls the money supply. It is owned by a small group of ultra-rich bankers. The Federal Reserve prints the money, which is backed up by nothing, then loan it to the US government at interest. Therefor for every dollar that is printed we owe the Federal Reserve money. The only way to pay the Federal Reserve back is to print/borrow more money, at interest.
You can probably see that this cycle can never lead to anything but exponential inflation and debt.
Also, 100 Percent of your income tax goes to paying off the interest.

This is why no matter who you elect the same exact bullshit will happen. Unless of course they want to end up like Kennedy.

I will see if I can help...

The Federal Reserve is a private organization that controls the money supply. It is owned by a small group of ultra-rich bankers. The Federal Reserve prints the money, which is backed up by nothing, then loan it to the US government at interest. Therefor for every dollar that is printed we owe the Federal Reserve money. The only way to pay the Federal Reserve back is to print/borrow more money, at interest.
You can probably see that this cycle can never lead to anything but exponential inflation and debt.
Also, 100 Percent of your income tax goes to paying off the interest.

This is why no matter who you elect the same exact bullshit will happen. Unless of course they want to end up like Kennedy.

So why would the US need a private organisation like the Federal Reserve bank? Also, what moral/legal authority do they have to lend money to the US government? Why can't the US government print its own money?

Also, source on 100 percent of personal income tax goes towards paying off interest please.

So why would the US need a private organisation like the Federal Reserve bank? Also, what moral/legal authority do they have to lend money to the US government? Why can't the US government print its own money?

Also, source on 100 percent of personal income tax goes towards paying off interest please.

The Us government can print its own money, under Kennedy's executive order 11110. The legal authority for them to print the money is the federal reserve act passed in 1913.
The US doesnt need this organization, and it only exists because it is making everyone in the position to shut it down insanely rich.

I got all of this information out of the film America Freedom to Fascism.

If you have any other questions i will do my best to answer them.

The Us government can print its own money, under Kennedy's executive order 11110. The legal authority for them to print the money is the federal reserve act passed in 1913.
The US doesnt need this organization, and it only exists because it is making everyone in the position to shut it down insanely rich.

I got all of this information out of the film America Freedom to Fascism.

If you have any other questions i will do my best to answer them.

Thank you so much.

Also, it then begs the question, why would congress pass this abomination of a law that is the Federal Reserve Act? It can't be that the Jews bought every congressman with their jew money...or did they?

Also, I read on the internet that part of the reason Kennedy got assasinated was because of executive order 11110. He was trying to take away the money maker from the Jewish bankers and they didn't much like it so they had it arranged that he be killed off.

Also I checked out executive order 11110 in wikipedia however it doesn't say anything about the US government being able to print its own money. It just talks about silver bullions.

Unless the jews at wikipedia are trying to keep the truth from getting out...

Executive order 11110 gave the US government the power to issue its own money, backed by silver bullion, without going through the federal reserve. Kennedy's plan(as far as I can tell) was to pay back the national debt using this money.

I have read that the act was passed during the Christmas break and most of the Congressmen had already left. This doesnt really make any sense to me because I thought there was a certain number of people that had to be present i order to have a session of Congress.
I am also horribly confused how the WCTU, even with the enormous backing from Rockefeller, was able to convince a hard drinking, all male congress to pass prohibition.

Apparently it happens.

Thank you so much.

Also, it then begs the question, why would congress pass this abomination of a law that is the Federal Reserve Act? It can't be that the Jews bought every congressman with their jew money...or did they?

in america:freedom to fascism, it explains that. pretty much what happened is that the very wealthy bankers passed this bill when part of the congress was off for the holidays. they then payed off the majority of the present congressmen to pass the bill. so yes, pretty much they did pay them off either before the bill was passed or after it was passed(which made them a shitload of money) then fucking woodrow wilson decided to sign the bill. fucking prick. :mad:

oh and the income tax does go towards the interest, but that means that it pretty much gets sent straight into the pockets of the top bankers that control the fed/country. the debt this country has will never be payed off with this current monetary system. Ron Paul has tried to shut down the fed and end the income tax for years but nobody in congress cares.

exactly, i love this thread.
we need to SHUT DOWN the FEDERAL RESERVE!!
i cant believe im living in a time when people including myself are controlled by the FED.
RON PAUL 2012, fuck the obama fad dumb teenagers

RON PAUL 2012, fuck the obama fad dumb teenagers

LOL the irony. I'm all for abolishing the federal reserve, but things like returning to the gold standard and privatizing nearly everything would do more harm to this country than good.

LOL the irony. I'm all for abolishing the federal reserve, but things like returning to the gold standard and privatizing nearly everything would do more harm to this country than good.

i guess at the very least overthrow the fed and put money printing in control of the govt like its supposed to be instead of private bankers.

however, the gold standard was put in place to minimize inflation and limiting govt budget (two very big problems today) and the theory of free market is that everything will balance out and is self-regulating. now that will probably never happen in a country that consists of greed, but its better than the govt controlling the major banking corporations.

going back to a gold standard would be very retarded.
the rothschilds have pretty much all the gold and especially when the government took all americas gold during roosevelts term...
only solution for destroying fed is to go back to an INTEREST AND DEBT FREE CURRENCY ISSUED BY THE GOVERNMENT, NOT THE PRIVATE BANKERS.
plain and simple, repeal the federal reserve act of 1913

because he is a fad and a lot of people just jumped on his bandwagon just to be different. when asked about it 90% of his supporters either a) politically ignorant and support him based solely on name recognition and the "pop culture" factor or b) will only discuss libertarianism and how great that is and not bring up anything about ron paul the candidate or man or whatever. i could go into it more, but most likely all the hate coming your way is probably due to people thinking that ron paul is just a gimmick.

You couldn't be more wrong.