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Moonius
2008-10-29, 04:17
Reading http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2107012

I went to read more about emotion. I went from the "List of Emotions" wiki to the following:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy


The revelation:


"This article is about emotional capacity.

For the GNOME instant messaging widgets, see Empathy (software).


Not to be confused with Pity, Sympathy, or Compassion."



I thought of machine elves. So I went forth to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_elves


It is very important that you read McKenna's recount! (1, 2, 3, 2, 1)



I went to:

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=dmt_pickover



I read little, but jumped to God:


Collective Autosymbolic Determinism.

Interdimensional AutoCAD. Build me, build me! My father makes plugins and tools for AutoCAD.

Ahaahahaha. Welcome to ambiguity!




Collective unconscious (unconscious of itself) = Collective determinism

Similar INDIVIDUAL unconscious, different working processing parameters due to genetics and conditioning = Individualized Collective Determinism

We still affect ourselves in unconscious ways.

Not limited to:

-Ambiguous superficiality (similar patterns of free association) - cultural conditioning

-Fear and dislike of certain characteristics due to genetic predisposition and molding.

-Symbolism! Surrealism! Inherent but unseen puns and ironies! The psychedelic circus is here, you're in it! The show's for free but you have to pay to entertain.

The ability to alter one's subjective perception (as well as conscious genetic manipulation) only changes the consequences of the above notion.

While it is currently impossible to alter ones perception (reaction, thought process, intuition, etc) to be CONGRUENT to another individual's, genetics and conditioning seems to be a determinalistic fallacy.


The Jungian model for the unconscious (paranormal, collective, psychic):

Psychic Collective Determinism, (noosphere herd mentality?)



If matter has history (cognitive history? information? Atomic autopsy?), then no matter what you do (genetics, conditioning, controlled experience) the ability to look past these Brave New World-esque notions of control is always a POSSIBILITY only hindered by AWARENESS.

This is currently 'supported' by "The Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Mechanics."

I understand that is a very vague way to say it, however, I do not have the mental stimulation required for a thorough and systematic analysis (or the knowledge to make it as credible as I believe it could be.)



In his earlier writings, Jung called this aspect of the psyche the collective unconscious. He later changed the term to objective psyche. The objective psyche may be considered objective for two reasons: it is common to everyone; and it has a better sense of the self's ideal than the ego or conscious self does. It thus directs the self, via archetypes, dreams, and intuition, and drives the person to make mistakes on purpose. In this way, it moves the psyche toward individuation, or self-actualization.


from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Unconscious


Meaning: If you and your unconscious know that your unconscious 'forces you to make mistakes' (freudian slip), if you can interpret the message it becomes a Jungian slip. Your unconscious can mold your perception of reality through the experience of your mistakes (which were not mistakes in the first place.) Communication with untapped knowledge.

If your unconscious knows how you will react, it can either keep certain things hidden from you or enlighten you.



While discussing coincidence, the only opposing view points are those of deterministic unrelation.
As fun as that is to say, it is only because we currently do not have complete (accepted?) models for the functions of "matter and energy" at a sub-atomic level, neurology, neuropsychology, imaginative psychology (interaction of perception and psychology), and genetic predispositions and their various affects.

How self-encompassing. It is uncommonly believed that there are some who can engage in acts of healing, remote viewing, telepathic communication, precognition, past life regression, etc. At some point, a field is going to JUMP past the rest, defining our understanding of reality permanently.

Maybe all of them will jump at synchronous pace.




Does anyone disagree with my assessment?