http://tinyurl.com/6jvzd6

Those guys got some pretty decent shit, too.

:eek:

What is the second from top AR15?

Mexico is being crazy violent lately, that's some pretty graphic shit.

http://members.cox.net/svnative/nog16.JPG
That guy's stare is freaky ..

This reminds me of b0g.org:(

We get about 2- 3 of those here. Not only drug related, but robberies and kidnappings as well.
You can tell the motive because of the modus operandi they used.

When it's a robbery it will usually be two guys in a motorcycle, with pistols and the occasional shotgun. Usually they'll stop the occupants of the second from last vehicle at a semaphor, take their vehicle, possetions, and shoot the occupants. Sometimes they will let them live tho.

On the other hand, when its drug related, they'll ambush the target vehicle as it leaves some familiar establishment, usually the home or workplace, pin it between two vehicles, and then proceed to fire from 300 - 500 rounds into the target, usually with AK's and some kind of 9mm subgun.
I still don't get why the ammo expenditure tho.

For kidnappings they'll simply crash one of their vehicles into the back of yours lightly, forcing the occupants to vacate the vehicle at which point another team will overpower the victims, executing the rest.
Your regular stickup will be done by a very nervous and possibly drugged up gangster, who will take you from behind, bang his pistol grip on your head, and rob you while unconscious.

And yes, all these people can do this in broad daylight, with witnesses around, because no one will dare stand up to them. Most of the criminals are also policemen as regular jobs, so whoever dares be a witness or declare against them, they will simply murder their families. It's that easy.

Mild.

Mild.

On screen, yes. In person, not quite. It kind of makes one hope one's own demise will not be so undignified.
You know, it gets one thinking, facing a dead corpse, particularly one killed so unceremoniuously, whether anything one does in life amounts to something. Whether all one sought, riches, power, glory, respect, counted for anything at all.
Because Death is the great equalizer. No matter who one was in life, no matter what one did, the end is the same for all: A rotting mass of putrid meat no one wants to get close to.

It gets one thinking on the purpose of life. And the nature of Death.

So many lives, wasted away. I can not think that anyone would not feel pity, or at the very least a shadow of sadness, for what once was, for what could have been of these men, had they not chosen the path of violence.
And those who claim to feel no pain, no revulsion, at the sight of these dead bodies, they have lost the empathy of humans; they have let their souls be hardened far too much. Or maybe they don't show it to protect their own psyche. Death, violent death, is a tough reality of this world. But that doesn't mean we don't feel shitty about anyone's death. After all, we are all humans, brothers of species.

It's a very sad sight :(.

Mani loled the picture of the guy in the suv slumped over with a flattop ar15 by the center console had no sights on it.

Sorry lava they got what they deserved. Just think of all the lives they directly and indirectly ruin and take by smuggling drugs.

This is what prohibition looks like.

Did you fail to read anything LavaRed posted? Prohibition on drugs, murder, extortion....


That is what corruption or evil looks like. Just like the Hussein sons Uday and Qusay.


I want a gold Santa Muerte ring as a war trophy.

Fun shit fun shit, I live about 45 minutes away from Nogales. Its a pretty shit hole of a town. I only been there once but it was defiantly not somewhere id like to live, shit was just a ghetto.

Well hopefully god willing I can get a medical waiver for my vision for the border patrol ill get to be shooting fucking scum drug dealers like those stupid fucks.

Did you fail to read anything LavaRed posted? Prohibition on drugs, murder, extortion....


That is what corruption or evil looks like. Just like the Hussein sons Uday and Qusay.


I want a gold Santa Muerte ring as a war trophy.

was that directed towards me or the poster above you?
Fun shit fun shit, I live about 45 minutes away from Nogales. Its a pretty shit hole of a town. I only been there once but it was defiantly not somewhere id like to live, shit was just a ghetto.

Well hopefully god willing I can get a medical waiver for my vision for the border patrol ill get to be shooting fucking scum drug dealers like those stupid fucks.

You may want to keep statments like that to yourself if you actually want to get hired. That is not what the border patrol are about.

was that directed towards me or the poster above you?


You may want to keep statments like that to yourself if you actually want to get hired. That is not what the border patrol are about.

Yea I realize that, but I doubt they going to look up my shit here on totse. But I'm definatly not stupid enough to go in and be like "SO when der we get tur shoot us soom mexeecans?"

Because Death is the great equalizer. No matter who one was in life, no matter what one did, the end is the same for all: A rotting mass of putrid meat no one wants to get close to.

That was fucking poetic.

That was fucking poetic.

Man atleast you didnt say "hey broz that was teh EPIC" shit is getting annoying.

was that directed towards me or the poster above you?



Parallax.

Crazy, absolutely crazy. Not too dissimilar to the pictures I've seen of Iraq.

Man atleast you didnt say "hey broz that was teh EPIC" shit is getting annoying.

Well, I didn't think it was teh EPIC, I think it was beautiful put, short, true, and to the point...
"Poetic" was the first word that popped into my head, so there you have it.

What is the handgun in the second pic from the bottom?

^^I'd say Beretta 92F, but the grip panels look a bit odd, at least I haven't seen 'em before...
I'll bet Lava nails it.

^^I'd say Beretta 92F, but the grip panels look a bit odd, at least I haven't seen 'em before...
I'll bet Lava nails it.

taurus copy of the beretta 92f , 92, or m9.

Well, I didn't think it was teh EPIC, I think it was beautiful put, short, true, and to the point...
"Poetic" was the first word that popped into my head, so there you have it.

my bad i wasnt trying to be mean or anything just pointing out that the epic shit is getting annoying.


Yeah lets call things that are not epic at all epic!

Sorry lava they got what they deserved. Just think of all the lives they directly and indirectly ruin and take by smuggling drugs.

I know they got what they deserve. It still is not a happy sight. Its human life, wasted away. And for what? for the earthly gratification of wealth and power? In my humble opinion, not worth it. Like I said before, it is painful to see life wasted away down the evil path of violence.
Certainly wealth and power are worthy goals, but they don't hold a candle against a peaceful, dignified death. All the people that these men might have harmed and killed are reflected in their own final state of demise. So works the Law of Compensation.

Did you notice the faraway look in the eyes of that guy? Does it not make you wonder what were his last thoughts? Perhaps he was thinking of his family? Of those he loved and left behind? Or perhaps it is the look of final defeat, that cold, dead bitterness of final resignation, that you were bested by your enemies?

And then you realize that this corpse, repugnant in its final corruption, was once a human being like your own self. Someone who loved and hated, someone with ambitions, dreams, weaknesses, mortality. Someone lured by the lust of worldly glamour, perhaps, or even moved at first by the desire to defeat social injustice.

It is that crucial moment when you realize that no matter what evils this man may have wrought upon society, it is lamentble that his life was cut down in violence. Just as anyone's would be, perhaps even more so when one starts to ponder what tiny grain of sand may have steered him down the path of evil and inhumanity.
It makes one stop and reflect on the frailty of the human condition.

I just don't like dead bodies you know? They get me thinking a lot, which, I'm told, is not a thing a man should do in excess. Not when contemplating life and death anyway.

I'm not a pacifist. All of you know me well enough and know that I completely advocate the use of force when necessary to defend our God- given rights. But blood- lust is a bad thing. Violence is a terrible thing. It may sound utopic but the only way to prevent violence is through mutual respect. Easy to say, tough to achieve, but worth the fight.

And even tho I would consider any predator of society like these men to be my ideological enemy, I still hope, for their sake, that they may have seen the evil of their deeds and repented, turned to God for salvation, in their last moments.
It is after all the least I would ask for myself in the final moment.

link doesnt work for me :(

Some pretty deep thoughts from LavaRed in this thread I see, I quite agree with the first post not too much with the second.

It's true that we should be saddened when witnessing such pointless waste of human life, however I cannot stop perceiving those dead men as evil, true crime might have been the only path available towards economic success, I know that there are severe social inequalities in that particular region of the world, but I think nothing can justify deliberately embarking on an abusive violent path.

Some have blamed prohibition for that, I think moral corruption, human greed and the breakdown of traditional values also play a part, then obviously the government is the biggest culprit.

Corruption among politicians and members of law enforcement agencies is probably what allows the situation to degenerate to such an extent, the complete lack of rule of law, where armed non-state actors such as those drug cartels have more or less the freedom to commit whatever act, no matter how atrocious.

Some have blamed prohibition for that, I think moral corruption, human greed and the breakdown of traditional values also play a part, then obviously the government is the biggest culprit.

Corruption among politicians and members of law enforcement agencies is probably what allows the situation to degenerate to such an extent, the complete lack of rule of law, where armed non-state actors such as those drug cartels have more or less the freedom to commit whatever act, no matter how atrocious.

Oh, I totally agree with this. Its our ugly daily reality.
There is no question that these men deserved to die. But it is sad when any human dies. Especially from violence.
I just hope God forgave them for their sins.

I know they got what they deserve. It still is not a happy sight. Its human life, wasted away. And for what? for the earthly gratification of wealth and power? In my humble opinion, not worth it. Like I said before, it is painful to see life wasted away down the evil path of violence.
Certainly wealth and power are worthy goals, but they don't hold a candle against a peaceful, dignified death. All the people that these men might have harmed and killed are reflected in their own final state of demise. So works the Law of Compensation.

Did you notice the faraway look in the eyes of that guy? Does it not make you wonder what were his last thoughts? Perhaps he was thinking of his family? Of those he loved and left behind? Or perhaps it is the look of final defeat, that cold, dead bitterness of final resignation, that you were bested by your enemies?

And then you realize that this corpse, repugnant in its final corruption, was once a human being like your own self. Someone who loved and hated, someone with ambitions, dreams, weaknesses, mortality. Someone lured by the lust of worldly glamour, perhaps, or even moved at first by the desire to defeat social injustice.

It is that crucial moment when you realize that no matter what evils this man may have wrought upon society, it is lamentble that his life was cut down in violence. Just as anyone's would be, perhaps even more so when one starts to ponder what tiny grain of sand may have steered him down the path of evil and inhumanity.
It makes one stop and reflect on the frailty of the human condition.

I just don't like dead bodies you know? They get me thinking a lot, which, I'm told, is not a thing a man should do in excess. Not when contemplating life and death anyway.

I'm not a pacifist. All of you know me well enough and know that I completely advocate the use of force when necessary to defend our God- given rights. But blood- lust is a bad thing. Violence is a terrible thing. It may sound utopic but the only way to prevent violence is through mutual respect. Easy to say, tough to achieve, but worth the fight.

And even tho I would consider any predator of society like these men to be my ideological enemy, I still hope, for their sake, that they may have seen the evil of their deeds and repented, turned to God for salvation, in their last moments.
It is after all the least I would ask for myself in the final moment.

Spoken like a true knight.

This world is very overpopulated anyway. It just away for it to equalize out. Now do i want to give my life up for the sake of the earth? No, I human and humans are naturally selfish. But when my time comes it will just be one less "cancer" cell in the cancer spots we call cities.

taurus copy of the beretta 92f , 92, or m9.

Got it.

my bad i wasnt trying to be mean or anything just pointing out that the epic shit is getting annoying.

Ah ok. :)

I consider these people to be as much enemies of the United States as any Taliban camel jockey. No pity.

On screen, yes. In person, not quite. It kind of makes one hope one's own demise will not be so undignified.
You know, it gets one thinking, facing a dead corpse, particularly one killed so unceremoniuously, whether anything one does in life amounts to something. Whether all one sought, riches, power, glory, respect, counted for anything at all.
Because Death is the great equalizer. No matter who one was in life, no matter what one did, the end is the same for all: A rotting mass of putrid meat no one wants to get close to.

It gets one thinking on the purpose of life. And the nature of Death.

So many lives, wasted away. I can not think that anyone would not feel pity, or at the very least a shadow of sadness, for what once was, for what could have been of these men, had they not chosen the path of violence.
And those who claim to feel no pain, no revulsion, at the sight of these dead bodies, they have lost the empathy of humans; they have let their souls be hardened far too much. Or maybe they don't show it to protect their own psyche. Death, violent death, is a tough reality of this world. But that doesn't mean we don't feel shitty about anyone's death. After all, we are all humans, brothers of species.

It's a very sad sight :(.

This is how I feel man. I don't know where the empathy is but it's gone. A wise person told me that if you want to be a good combat leader in the army, you've gotta replace a lot of that shit with a warrior spirit. If you stop and contemplate how many of theirs will get killed and how many of yours will, you'll find it far harder to make crucial decisions.

I don't know exactly what I believe yet, but hopefully one day I'll get a chance to find out.

As far as the shootout goes, hopefully no cops were killed.

Got it.



Ah ok. :)

im not positive is that is a taurus that was just my guess.

As far as the shootout goes, hopefully no cops were killed.

Something tells me the cops didn't let them get many shots off at all... I'm pretty sure some of those guys were shot in cold blood.... If there is ever such a thing in mammals

Something tells me the cops didn't let them get many shots off at all... I'm pretty sure some of those guys were shot in cold blood.... If there is ever such a thing in mammals

Saves the taxpayers the cost of a trial and execution.

Saves the taxpayers the cost of a trial and execution.

Fair play too I guess, I'd be quite liberal with 'suppression' fire too if the 'bad guys' were armed with American assault rifles

If the cartel members had flash hiders and bayonet lugs on their rifles they would've won.

No doubt.

If the cartel members had flash hiders and bayonet lugs on their rifles they would've won.

No doubt.
Or atleast some sights maybe they would have aimed?

No dude, they'd be unstoppable if they'd had the deadly shoulder things that go up.

No dude, they'd be unstoppable if they'd had the deadly shoulder things that go up.

Or what about the .50 cal heat seeking round that cooks the target at the same time so you can eat his vaporizes brain?

Well, that killed my erection.

AWESOME!!!!! Hell yeah, Mexican military guys are the awesomity of the awesome.

This is what prohibition looks like.

Seconded. Trying to tightly restrict such a concrete market will only cause the price of the product to stay so high, leading people to take extraordinary measures to try to cash out. Users will try to get their fix no matter what if they want it bad enough, and pushers therefore will try to get it to them in exchange for money no matter what. Laws are often no match for desire for profit, and your best bet would be to take away the profit potential by easing restriction.

As for worrying about decriminalization/legalization creating a new generation of junkies, just remember this: education, not legislation. Come straight and don't bullshit about the potential harm of drugs. Also, if you legalize and tax drugs with the market currently being what it is, just imagine how much revenue can be generated.

Fun shit fun shit, I live about 45 minutes away from Nogales. Its a pretty shit hole of a town. I only been there once but it was defiantly not somewhere id like to live, shit was just a ghetto.

Well hopefully god willing I can get a medical waiver for my vision for the border patrol ill get to be shooting fucking scum drug dealers like those stupid fucks.

Sounds like you live in Tucson or Sahuarita? Where you at?