I'll make this as short and sweet as i possibly can, but i have a lot of explaining to do, sorry.

I just stumbled upon astral projection and lucid dreaming about 3 months ago, and it sounds fascinating, but i can't do it...

Dreaming: i haven't been able to remember my dreams since birth, but since i got started on this I've already remembered 3, all within a 2 week period in October. I think that is progress, but i still cant lucid dream, when i wake up and remember my dream i feel stupid for not knowing i was in a dream "of course i wasn't fucking that supermodel in Cancun, why didn't i realize it was a dream!!!". any tips here?

Astral Projection: this is very weird for me. No shit, i can seriously provoke the "vibrations" your supposed to feel right before you project anytime i want, even if i'm standing up wide awake, but they only last maybe 2 seconds tops. all i have to do is "feel" my essence leaving my physical body, like i would if i was projecting and i feel the weird tingly feeling. Even though i feel this i CANNOT project when i lay down and try... The closest i have ever came to astral projecting was on my very first attempt believe it or not.. I was laying there concentrating like the tutorials i read told me to, i began with REM, and i felt my hands sort of get weightless and feel like they were floating upward, even though i knew physically they were still on my stomach, i freaked the fuck out and opened my eyes and since then, i cant even get my mind completely calmed down to concentrate when i try.

Dreaming: i haven't been able to remember my dreams since birth, but since i got started on this I've already remembered 3, all within a 2 week period in October. I think that is progress, but i still cant lucid dream, when i wake up and remember my dream i feel stupid for not knowing i was in a dream "of course i wasn't fucking that supermodel in Cancun, why didn't i realize it was a dream!!!". any tips here?

Here is my advise: stop doing drugs and stop masturbating, you'll be more aware (If only I would take my own advise :(). meaning you'll remember more because you'll be more conscious of what is going on. Ask yourself during the day "Is this a dream?" explain your answer, convince yourself this is not a dream. Look at a clock and try to do other things that are different in dreams.

Astral Projection: this is very weird for me. No shit, i can seriously provoke the "vibrations" your supposed to feel right before you project anytime i want, even if i'm standing up wide awake, but they only last maybe 2 seconds tops.
That is probably just some sort of Qi circulation thing of some sort. The actual sensation is much more intense.


all i have to do is "feel" my essence leaving my physical body, like i would if i was projecting and i feel the weird tingly feeling.

That is part of it, but as I said before, it is much more intense.

Even though i feel this i CANNOT project when i lay down and try... The closest i have ever came to astral projecting was on my very first attempt believe it or not.. I was laying there concentrating like the tutorials i read told me to, i began with REM, and i felt my hands sort of get weightless and feel like they were floating upward, even though i knew physically they were still on my stomach, i freaked the fuck out and opened my eyes and since then, i cant even get my mind completely calmed down to concentrate when i try.

In my experience, I have never Astral Projected because I wanted too. The first time I did it I was researching lucid dreaming and such, then I got up and walked to my bed for sleep. It seemed to be a few seconds after I lied down and stopped moving when the sensation began.

The perception of my body in my mind started vibrating and stretching as my heart chakra began to speed up. My brain vibration began imploding on itself and everything was very fuzzy. These sensations were increasing exponentially.

This rapid increase was very frightening and I thought it was my heart that was rapidly beating rather than my heart chakra, and really believed that I might be dying. So I pulled myself out of what ever the fuck that was, and thought for a short while. I eventually decide to lay back down, if the sensation starts again, then I will let it go where it will.

So I lay down and sure enough this sensation comes back and I accept it as I am getting more and more dissacociated by the moment. My speeding heart, imploding sand-brain, and the sucktioning of my being reached a point that was so intense that I literally accepted the possibility that I was going to die.

I let go . . .


This has only happened to me a few times since, and I have theorized that this is some sort of energy pulse hits my signature every now and again. I don't know what it was, maybe someday I will understand, maybe someday I will be able to transmute upon command, but for now I'm still trying to figure it all out.

So remember, when this happens, if you do not accept death, the transition will fail.

Good luck.

i am new at this gig too. for the first time today though i had a lucid dream. i had about an hour to catch a nap before the second half of class started, so i went to my dorm, had a dream where i was about to die. i called my own name twice and "woke up". i immediately realized i was not physically awake, shortly after my alarm went off. i am hoping i stumbled onto something great.

i am working up to astral, idk about separation and all. will try.

thanks for the tips Vanhalla. You are right, the feeling i provoke isn't as nearly as strong of the feeling i got the night when i first tried to project and my hands were all weird feeling. But i don't understand when you say you never astral projected because you wanted. I'll know right away when i lay down that i want to, and thats the only reason i begin the whole process of concentrating on staying awake while my physical body falls asleep. i feel like my main problem is keeping my mind clear of wandering thoughts. The method i use was actually giving to me by someone here on totse. I count down from 12 visualizing each number, then i count down from 13 without visualizing each number and that gets my mind pretty peaceful, but as soon as I'm done counting, my mind picks back up again and i begin getting random ass thoughts, i cant keep my mind clear. This shit is very weird, and i hope i get this going for me.

i have tried binaural beats but to no avail, they seem to keep my attention focused on the sound rather than just slowing down my brain waves.

stop doing drugs and stop masturbating

this actually could be wrong, stopping maturbating is a good idea though because it will cause you to dream more often and quite frequently lucid dreaming. but drugs can still be used, im not telling you to go get wasted all the time THAT will make it harder but small amounts of weed and most opiates should help you clear your mind and calm down. but it all depends on your personality, if you think doing drugs is "dirty" then don't use them because you want to feel as clean and free as possible

and acid can help alot, it wont make you or allow you to project but just realising that what you perceive as reality can be changed so easily helps you get into the mindset to project
also have a goal i.e. go and see *insert object or place* it will help you alot

But i don't understand when you say you never astral projected because you wanted.

I didn't plan on it happening, or expect it to happen, the opportunity arose and I accepted.

i feel like my main problem is keeping my mind clear of wandering thoughts.
We gotta be martial artists with this stuff, keep practicing, every day.


i have tried binaural beats but to no avail, they seem to keep my attention focused on the sound rather than just slowing down my brain waves.You should look into Hemi-Sync, it is the best mind tuner I have ever experimented with.


this actually could be wrong


Yep, drugs can help, but they are detrimental to the overall goal. A lot of times, in the long term, whether they consciously know it or not, these drugs cover up and push away things that should be dealt with and worked through. But in the short term, they can be very beneficial.

Don't get me wrong, I smoke pot everyday ( I quit yesterday because it stopped being beneficial and was holding me back from reaching my true potential ), and I'm growing mushrooms in my closet. But it's not like you're going to eat mushrooms every week, you experience it once and bring back knowledge and applied to your life on all levels. Then you have this special bond with the spirit of the plant, and you can return with specific intents. But when you do this too much, the value is diminished.

Yep, drugs can help, but they are detrimental to the overall goal. A lot of times, in the long term, whether they consciously know it or not, these drugs cover up and push away things that should be dealt with and worked through. But in the short term, they can be very beneficial.

Not to mention that many of the stronger drugs associated with things like astral projection take control of the experience away from the user. It's better than nothing, but much better to learn to do it yourself so that nothing impairs your experience.

i agree with what you are saying about drugs covering up things you may need to face but that is only if the reason you are using them (even subconciously) is to cover up feelings. while most magick should be done while sober because magick is about using your mind to alter your reality but you cant do that if drugs are altering your reality for you. i was just saying they can be usefull because if you are a beginner you can try and "place" yourself in the same mindset you had while tripping

im half asleep right now so sorry if im rambling

i tried to take a shot or two a tequila before i concentrated, it may have loosened me up a bit, and I've smoked weed, but i don't know if I'll do acid or anything, i might try it once if it isn't addictive. I'm looking into hemi-sync, but it costs money, so I'll find a bit torrent download from somewhere lol

i tried to take a shot or two a tequila before i concentrated, it may have loosened me up a bit, and I've smoked weed, but i don't know if I'll do acid or anything

whoever has told you to do drugs has no clue what he is talking about ..

whoever has told you to do drugs has no clue what he is talking about ..

BSK everytime you post in a thread you manage to provide nothing yet somehow start an arguement.

if you feel something in my post was incorrect then post what is wrong and what you think is right don't just say "thats wrong" because if you know its wrong then you must know what is right

OK, i pretty much narrowed down my problem to the whole meditation part. i cant keep my mind clear enough to get my brain waves to the alpha waves. Hemi-sync sounds like i should give it a try, but there are about 30 different CD's so i don't know which one to pick for OBE's, and it also cost money :mad:

I recently got a hold of the following cds. The Mind Food cds aren't available on the site, as they were member's only promos that were sent out. I will try them all out and let you know my personal experience with them.

Metamusic - Ascension
Metamusic - Spirit's Journey
Metamusic - The Shaman's Heart
Mind Food - Meeting with Muses
Mind Food - Golden Mean

Edit: You could also check out brain sync. I've used one of their cds for a while now, and I happen to like it quite a bit.

i'll look into brain sync but i reallydont have a lot of money to spend right now, if its cheap i'll get it, but hemi-sync costs up to like $45 for some of the cd's i saw lol

I'm looking into hemi-sync, but it costs money, so I'll find a bit torrent download from somewhere lol


but hemi-sync costs up to like $45 for some of the cd's i saw lol

The Gateway experience Vol I-VII

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