Yesterday I visited a few local gun stores which were all packed!

Lot's of people buying...

Prices (on some items) are up.



Anyone here doing any panic buying?


I admit I have done some recent panic based buying (ammunition and magazines) but nothing major.

Although I have tossed around the idea of buying another AR15 private party.


All with the notion of clinton era gun laws (or worst) in my head.




Note: all fore mentioned ammunition magazines and the firearms they belong to will be lost in the gulf of mexico per a tragic boating accident to occur in the near future.

I have $1.20 to my name so I won't be getting anything for a while. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to eat next week, let alone buy anything gun related. If anything I'm likely to be selling stuff in the post-Obama price gouging future.

The most popular range in the Cincinnati area, which doubles as a gun store (Target World) has been advertising an "assault weapons sale" in fear of an Obama presidency, as if on January 21st half their stock will be illegal to sell.

However, I am planning on purchasing an SKS soon just in case. How much should I expect to pay for such?

Oh, please, Obama is not going to snap his fingers and ban everything when he gets in office. There's still a little thing called Congress.

They were saying on the red eye on fox that ammo sales have been up becuase of the economic crisis.


Oh, please, Obama is not going to snap his fingers and ban everything when he gets in office. There's still a little thing called Congress.Ignorance is not bliss in this case buddy. Obama and his cabinent and supporters is going to bring the weapons bans back.

I bought a red ryder yesterday.

Can't buy real guns so this'll have to do.

I bought a red ryder yesterday.

Can't buy real guns so this'll have to do.

Bow and Arrow.

I have collected around 25, 30rd mags for the m-16 or m-4 that I'm taking home on block leave in three weeks and puting them in my room at home. They might be worth something in the future.

Oh, please, Obama is not going to snap his fingers and ban everything when he gets in office. There's still a little thing called Congress.

This is probably true. I doubt he'll go and make an executive order or anything, but Congress will be in the favor of his party platform, which is expressly not very 2A friendly. No huge rush on anything.

Oh, please, Obama is not going to snap his fingers and ban everything when he gets in office. There's still a little thing called Congress.

yeah, but a lot of congress is on his side.

Bow and Arrow.

actually, making a crossbow is one of my home projects

Don't forget gun law is a nonissue right now for most people (and politicians, those self-serving bastards). I wouldn't worry TOO much.

The supreme court is also quite 2A friendly.

Don't forget gun law is a nonissue right now for most people (and politicians, those self-serving bastards). I wouldn't worry TOO much.

The supreme court is also quite 2A friendly.

I wouldnt call them 2a friendly considering a little less than half of them were against it.

I wouldnt call them 2a friendly considering a little less than half of them were against it.
This.

The recent 2A victory was only by 5-4, which I would say does not put them Supreme Court in a favorable position concerning firearms ownership. Should any of the conservative members drop out within the next Presidency, which I will assume for the sake of this thread to be Obama, then a 2A-unfriendly Justice is of good chance, especially considering Congress is, at the moment, quite Democrat in number.

The most popular range in the Cincinnati area, which doubles as a gun store (Target World) has been advertising an "assault weapons sale" in fear of an Obama presidency, as if on January 21st half their stock will be illegal to sell.

However, I am planning on purchasing an SKS soon just in case. How much should I expect to pay for such?

Target World ftw. Awesome place. I introduced a couple friends to shooting there.

What kind of prices are they charging?

Target World ftw. Awesome place. I introduced a couple friends to shooting there.
We gotta meet up sometime and go shootin' there, even if I am a little wary of the place -- the walls and ceilings look like Swiss cheese!

I've seen some really unsafe people there, almost so that I feel the need to wear a vest. :D

Either way, I did buy my first firearm there, a Mosin-Nagant for $106.50

BTW each time I've been there looking for an SKS they haven't had 'em in stock. So I'm unsure of the pricing at the moment.

BTW each time I've been there looking for an SKS they haven't had 'em in stock. So I'm unsure of the pricing at the moment.

SKSs have been going up for the past couple of years, where you used to be able to pick up a Chinese or Yugo for $100-150 now they're more like $200-250 for a good one. Russians are going for more like $300-450 if you can find one.

I think the Yugo was the last SKS made and they have almost all been surplused now so I'm guessing the days of the SKS being a cheap surplus rifle are about over.

^ All the more reason to pick one up soon. I can certainly spare $200 - $300, I was at the gun shop not too long ago and the fella tried to tell me I shouldn't expect to pay any less than $400 for an SKS, and that's what he normally sold 'em for. I knew that was crap.

^ All the more reason to pick one up soon. I can certainly spare $200 - $300, I was at the gun shop not too long ago and the fella tried to tell me I shouldn't expect to pay any less than $400 for an SKS, and that's what he normally sold 'em for. I knew that was crap.

I paid 350 for my brand new saiga 7.62x39. TYhat was like a year and a half ago.

This is probably true. I doubt he'll go and make an executive order or anything, but Congress will be in the favor of his party platform, which is expressly not very 2A friendly. No huge rush on anything.

This. Obama is not for banning guns outright, but there are most likely (and unfortunately) going to be alot more red assholes in Congress for the next few years than blue ones.

To be honest, if you are panic buying just because of Obama, you are an idiot who thinks we live in a monarchy. Obama isn't your problem, those west coast assholes are the ones that want to ban guns.

I wanted to pick up another private sale AR and AK but didn't get around to it. The gun show was on last weekend and I had some spare cash but didn't get the chance to go.

This. Obama is not for banning guns outright, but there are most likely (and unfortunately) going to be alot more red assholes in Congress for the next few years than blue ones.

To be honest, if you are panic buying just because of Obama, you are an idiot who thinks we live in a monarchy. Obama isn't your problem, those west coast assholes are the ones that want to ban guns.

i thought dem is blue and repub is red? Do you mean commie by red? Because republican is red and they generally are with the 2a and are not against guns. The democrats are the blue and generally against guns.

Yesterday I visited a few local gun stores which were all packed!

Lot's of people buying...

Prices (on some items) are up.



Anyone here doing any panic buying?


I admit I have done some recent panic based buying (ammunition and magazines) but nothing major.

Although I have tossed around the idea of buying another AR15 private party.


All with the notion of clinton era gun laws (or worst) in my head.




Note: all fore mentioned ammunition magazines and the firearms they belong to will be lost in the gulf of mexico per a tragic boating accident to occur in the near future.

And here I was actually feeling sorry for you when you said you lost your firearms in the gulf... :rolleyes:

i thought dem is blue and repub is red? Do you mean commie by red? Because republican is red and they generally are with the 2a and are not against guns. The democrats are the blue and generally against guns.

Ooops, you are right. I did get them mixed up. :o

It's a shame, really. I'd much rather have Obama as president than McCain, but I damn sure don't want a congress that is so blue that the Pubs can't even filibuster. We need levelheadedness in Washington, and that is one word I will not use to describe most of the Democrats in Congress.

I suppose it would be a good time to be a gun shop owner, scaring people into buying your wares at the moment. Has the massive drop in scrap metal value had an effect on gun values yet?

Well, gentlemen, it's happened.

I don't know about you fellows, but I'm gonna bankrupt myself buying cool shit before it becomes illegal/has to be registered.

I'm going to sell whatever I have that isn't guns and use it to make more guns happen. Starting tomorrow.

I might want to go looking for a Makarov tomorrow at the pawn shops. :)

Paycheck tomorrow, and even though I'm laid off you can guarantee I'll be buying something with it. :D

Don't forget the most important thing to stock up on is ammunition for the coming fall of the country/revolution and practice. A gun won't do you any good if you can't fire it accurately!

Don't forget the most important thing to stock up on is ammunition for the coming fall of the country/revolution and practice. A gun won't do you any good if you can't fire it accurately!

Unless you spray-fire from the hip.

Don't forget the most important thing to stock up on is ammunition for the coming fall of the country/revolution and practice. A gun won't do you any good if you can't fire it accurately!
Gonna be purchasing 1,000 rds. 7.62x54mm silver tip tomorrow. :cool:

Unless you spray-fire from the hip.

With heat seeking bullets.

Oh, please, Obama is not going to snap his fingers and ban everything when he gets in office. There's still a little thing called Congress.

And who controls Congress again? That's right, the liberals.

liberals.

If it were ethical for me to use an ignore list, you would be the first person on it. >:/

If it were ethical for me to use an ignore list, you would be the first person on it. >:/

I wish you would put me on your ignore list, then you wouldn't respond to my posts with you unintelligible drivel.

Not buying out of fear..just happens to be a time when I have some money to my name ...and was planning to buy a gun...sadly it has fallen during this period.

Note: Back home there have been instances of gang violence during this past Halloween and people were stocking up on ammo. I just posted this for consideration when they post statistics of spending on weapons during this election.

Gonna be purchasing 1,000 rds. 7.62x54mm silver tip tomorrow. :cool:
isnt ballistic silver tip just a polymer tip? Do you mean steel core? Dont waste your money on silvertips just get ball and steel core.

Ooops, you are right. I did get them mixed up. :o

It's a shame, really. I'd much rather have Obama as president than McCain, but I damn sure don't want a congress that is so blue that the Pubs can't even filibuster. We need levelheadedness in Washington, and that is one word I will not use to describe most of the Democrats in Congress.

I really dont understand why people want obama as president.

-he is unqualified.
-he really has no political backround and has not accomplished one good thing in his political career.
-he has a bad immigration plan(think new emancipation proclamation)
-If he doesnt do that he said he will allow immigrant to get in the back of the line(rewarding them for commiting a crime)
-He wants to be a socialist and wants redistribution of wealth but does not practice it himself(he has a sister living in poverty in boston and a brother living in poverty in kenya which he has not helped at all)how can he have redistribution if he doesnt even help his own family, he doesnt practice what he preaches.
-he has donated less money to charity in the last 6 years(under $3500) than most middle class americans have and he is a millionare.
-He makes these bullshit promises of "tax cuts" for middle class and says he will make up for the money by taking it from the top 2%. this is cleary a ploy to get the popular vote as the majority of americans are lower/middle class and they also make up most of the tax revenue.
-he promises that basically under his power everyone will be rich. but really in socialist countries the poor do not just get rich or dissapear. And in these socialist countries it eliminates the middle class and makes a poor class and rich class.
- he makes people think they wont have to worry about bills and gas prices anymore.
-he has proposed 200billion more in spending
-he is very authoritarian
-he wants to silence those who oppose or disagree with him.

i think he has used the lure of money (tax breaks/cuts) to get people to vote for him and it shows how ignorant people are and how greedy they get when it comes to "saving" a little money.
it almost seems like he is going to take money from everyone else except himself. I would like to see how much he will pay in taxes or give up towards redistribution.

Also a common thing in sales is to offer a sale and then take 10% off but make the price higher to compensate. so basically it lures the people into buying but they pay the same price anyway.I think this analogy could be applied to tax cuts.

He wants to be a socialist and wants redistribution of wealth but does not practice it himself(he has a sister living in poverty in boston and a brother living in poverty in kenya which he has not helped at all)how can he have redistribution if he doesnt even help his own family, he doesnt practice what he preaches.

How does he "want to be a socialist"? Because he believes that tax cuts should go more to lower income brackets? How is letting the highest income tax brackets get the most tax cuts different? Let alone, how has that road been helping us out lately?

Have you ever wondered if they have ever asked him for money?

-he has donated less money to charity in the last 6 years(under $3500) than most middle class americans have and he is a millionare.

I've donated $0. I won't be donating at all. I believe in personal charity over some faceless organization. It also keeps the administration costs down too, you know?

Of course when the VA comes calling I might change my mind, but the government should be taking care of them anyway. :(

He makes these bullshit promises of "tax cuts" for middle class and says he will make up for the money by taking it from the top 2%. this is cleary a ploy to get the popular vote as the majority of americans are lower/middle class and they also make up most of the tax revenue.

It could very well have been. Was it anything different than what McCain did by saying he was the only person who knew how to catch bin Laden? Or that he was a war vet that knew how to win wars? Or that he wasn't the socialist, communist, faggot, Jewish nigger?

Politicians from any side say things that resonate with people to get them elected. Considering that he only got a slight majority of th epopular vote, I can't say he sold out completely.

he promises that basically under his power everyone will be rich. but really in socialist countries the poor do not just get rich or dissapear. And in these socialist countries it eliminates the middle class and makes a poor class and rich class.

I've never heard him say he is going to make me rich. Then again, he wasn't my candidate, so I didn't listen to everything he said. I was more concered with Palin not getting anywhere close to the White House.

Either way, you are just going to have to accept that either we progress to a planned economy and government or a major portion of people will need to die off. This isn't a thread for my neocapitalism rants, sufficing only to say that resources we have left do not support it.

- he makes people think they wont have to worry about bills and gas prices anymore.

Never got that impression either. Hell, I read his entire platform from his website as well...

-he is very authoritarian

As opposed to whom?

-he wants to silence those who oppose or disagree with him.

How so?

i think he has used the lure of money (tax breaks/cuts) to get people to vote for him and it shows how ignorant people are and how greedy they get when it comes to "saving" a little money.
it almost seems like he is going to take money from everyone else except himself. I would like to see how much he will pay in taxes or give up towards redistribution.

Also a common thing in sales is to offer a sale and then take 10% off but make the price higher to compensate. so basically it lures the people into buying but they pay the same price anyway.I think this analogy could be applied to tax cuts.

NEWS FLASH: Assholes have ran populist platforms for years
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/15/nation/na-populism15

How does he "want to be a socialist"? Because he believes that tax cuts should go more to lower income brackets?


To be fair, you need to add the clause "even those who don't pay income taxes." That and "even if the 'tax cut' ends up giving welfare money to the lower income brackets that was requisitioned from the higher brackets." The difference is one group worked and earned the money whereas another was given the money from the federal government. People can still support it and distinguish it from socialism, but that is essentially what the vague economic maneuverings he's thusfar alluded to boil down to as far as taxes are concerned.

isnt ballistic silver tip just a polymer tip? Do you mean steel core? Dont waste your money on silvertips just get ball and steel core.
Czech silver tip is mild steel core, light ball.

My election purchase was my G-17 and a couple 33 round mags. I plan on getting a Kel Tec Carbine for the magazine simplicity factor.

I named my G-17 "Barack The Glock" :D

Because I know it is something Obama truely thinks I must own.

I really dont understand why people want obama as president.

-He makes these bullshit promises of "tax cuts" for middle class and says he will make up for the money by taking it from the top 2%. this is cleary a ploy to get the popular vote as the majority of americans are lower/middle class and they also make up most of the tax revenue.

it almost seems like he is going to take money from everyone else except himself. I would like to see how much he will pay in taxes or give up towards redistribution.

Ok, your first point, is not completely true. It's something like over 50% of the revenue from taxes comes from the top 10%. So he wants to jack up the everyone above middle class, and shift even more of the tax burden onto the upper class, and just let everyone else coast by. Way to punish people for working to be successful. Other than that, I agree with your points, and even learned a few things, like how little he has donated to charity. And he'll probably make a rule that president is a tax exempt job.

Ok, your first point, is not completely true. It's something like over 50% of the revenue from taxes comes from the top 10%.

I've heard differently from a variety of individuals. Cite it or I'll call BS.

I've always heard that the middle class compromises most of the tax revenue in the US.

To be fair, you need to add the clause "even those who don't pay income taxes." That and "even if the 'tax cut' ends up giving welfare money to the lower income brackets that was requisitioned from the higher brackets." The difference is one group worked and earned the money whereas another was given the money from the federal government. People can still support it and distinguish it from socialism, but that is essentially what the vague economic maneuverings he's thusfar alluded to boil down to as far as taxes are concerned.

Fair enough. However, I still cannot grasp the concept that trickle-down economics is better than this form of socialism because these people will pump it right back into consumer goods anyway. So really, large companies do not see a net loss of just their increase in taxes because they will get a bump in sales. (Although it will still be a net loss in most cases since the consumer money will not be equally distributed according to the business income tax)

I understand where you are coming from, and I'm not exactly comfortable with a tax credit as opposed to a deduction. Of course, for what we have now the top %1 have more money than they know what to do with and with the other the %99 will have a little more money and the top %1 will have slightly less money than they had before, but likely more than they still know what to do with.

Anyway, I shopped around Batesville today for a Mak. Four shops and they all knew wtf I was talking about, but no dice. ne fellow offered to look for one for me if I was really interested, though. I'll probably go to him. Plus he seemed to be quite a nice old man. I did see a couple of Bersa Thunders in .380, but they were a bit more expensive than I wanted to pay. I also saw an Intratec AB10, but I found it more of a curiosity than wanting to fork over $350 for that and it's 15 round magazine. .380 also seems to be more expensive than 9x18mm, especially if I get ones with brass cases.

I also saw a $40 small drill press that chucked standard hand drill bits, so I'm going to be checking that out, perhaps tomorrow. I'll be converting that bad boy to a mini milling machine. :)

Last time I checked this was a weapons forum so maybe we can get back on topic. Myself ill be saving up for a M4 with extra magazines, 1000rds of .223 to go with it, 1000rds of 7.62x39, and 500rds of .308, and possibly that sexy 75-100rd drum ive seen for the AK-47. Those are my main priorities to get but as im poor as hell I have to start saving and hopefully buy those at minimum and id like to get a nice pistol grip shotgun.




ALSO can anyone recomend some good websites to order cheap M4/Ar-15s? I heard its a LOT cheaper online, also if anyone has any ammo website recomendations, I know Cheaperthandirt.com has some great prices on ammo.

I also saw a $40 small drill press that chucked standard hand drill bits, so I'm going to be checking that out, perhaps tomorrow. I'll be converting that bad boy to a mini milling machine. :)

If you do, I'll have a lot of questions to ask. I have that mini mill myself and would be more than willing to try and help figure out how to use it... which is something I haven't had enough time to do properly, and it's been bothering me. I've had it what? Two years collecting dust?

Also, with the Obama situation, I am opposed to it for personal reasons on principle and because I know people who will not be able to send their children to school with his new tax cuts. They took on the financial responsibilities of a sibling and her children (as well as another sibling to a lesser extent), and haven't been able to provide as much for their own. They also donate large amounts to charity, which kind of disgusts me when Obama makes such a big deal about donating and volunteering (something I myself do as well donating) when he, with his extravagant wealth, has apparently donated very, very little. But I do normally try and keep politics out of the weapons forum, even though I'll thumb my nose and claim mod privileges to anyone who complains.


ALSO can anyone recomend some good websites to order cheap M4/Ar-15s? I heard its a LOT cheaper online, also if anyone has any ammo website recomendations, I know Cheaperthandirt.com has some great prices on ammo.
How cheap is cheap?

As a gun owner I am obviously not a large fan of Obama but I would like to point out to those whom criticize his charitable donations that the man has given approximately $149,000 to charity between the years 2000 and 2006. Of course, this is in consideration of the fact that in that time period his income totaled approximately $3.8 million dollars - but it does not consider any gifts to charity which were later non-deductable, as many are not.

As a gun owner I am obviously not a large fan of Obama but I would like to point out to those whom criticize his charitable donations that the man has given approximately $149,000 to charity between the years 2000 and 2006. Of course, this is in consideration of the fact that in that time period his income totaled approximately $3.8 million dollars - but it does not consider any gifts to charity which were later non-deductable, as many are not.

Hmm. I may start a thread in the Politics forum because those numbers don't match what I'd read.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmMxMDk1MDNlMjI2NTQwYmE5NjEwZTJkZTM2YjRiNzI=
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/obama-tax-returns-low-on_n_93353.html

I just think it's completely unfair (and yes, I'm one of those who thinks life is unfair and we deal with it... until it's unfair for the sake of being fair, which is something I find preposterous) that Obama only donated an additional 6% of his income when my friends who are in an upper tax bracket but not making near a million a year (nor will they ever, so it seems) will have to pay almost double what they were when they are in a less economically stable and propitious position, despite their donating what I suspect is over 10% of their wages to charity. In fact, I'm almost certain of it, but couldn't bear to bring myself to ask such a highly personal and inappropriate question.

I also saw a $40 small drill press that chucked standard hand drill bits, so I'm going to be checking that out, perhaps tomorrow. I'll be converting that bad boy to a mini milling machine. :)

Can you tell me how? The mills I've seen and used look just like bench drills, except the base thingo or whatever you call it that you put your job on is height adjustable in very fine details, same with the drill part and it also has automatic back and forth movement.

I can't see a bench drill doing the back and forth movement.

Then again I may have this completely wrong as I have not used a mill for probably 4 years.

Can you tell me how? The mills I've seen and used look just like bench drills, except the base thingo or whatever you call it that you put your job on is height adjustable in very fine details, same with the drill part and it also has automatic back and forth movement.

I can't see a bench drill doing the back and forth movement.

Then again I may have this completely wrong as I have not used a mill for probably 4 years.

The way I understand it is that there is almost no difference between a milling machine and a drill press, other than a milling machine usually is made much more sturdy and a drill press has the problem where the head wants to retract fully by spring tension. My plan is to either take off the bed and use the base, or use the bed if it has enough room and make an extremely simple Cartesian machine for the X-Y plane (basically something you can put together with basic parts plus a drill press) and use the drill head as the Z plane. Once I get the Cartesian machine working like I want, I can mill a sturdier Cartesian bed out of steel or aluminum stock. I would also want to convert it to CNC, but I would need a Z axis on the bed if I were to base it off a drill press.

I did a bit of talking today with a friend about my looking around for guns and it turns out he has more guns and ammo than possibly anyone else here. He also has more loaded M16 magazines than I'd care to tell. O_o He has a C&R license and is going to try to get a FFL, so he offered to get guns for me. :)

Argon, I thought you might enjoy these few links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ymcVTnVy1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc

http://www.brusselsprout.org/CNC/

http://build.your.own.prototypes.googlepages.com/TheHomeMadeCNCMachine.htm

Cheers, mate! :cool:

Thanks. And it also seems to need mentioning: http://stusshed.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/can-a-drill-press-be-used-as-a-router/

We are doing pretty much the same thing as a router. I was pretty sure the bearings weren't going to like it. Unless, of course, it has bearings specifically designed for this, like mill-and-drill presses. I doubt I'll need a collet set for light duty stuff since, IIRC, wood grabs harder than metal. By the times the bearings are worn, I'll probaby have something to take it's place anyway.

I also need to do more research into how to put on a set of lathe jaws.

Do want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeMlwTeDH9w&feature=related

I've heard differently from a variety of individuals. Cite it or I'll call BS.

I've always heard that the middle class compromises most of the tax revenue in the US.

Well that makes sense because the majority of the population that is paying taxes, is the lower working class and middle class because they make up the majority of the pop

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obamas_patriotic_tonic.html
Almost 40% of the population doesnt even pay tax breaks how will obama ensure tax breaks for 95% of the pop?.


www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200512070900.asp
Interesting, apparently the upper class already pays the most. But according to this it could cause less of the upper class to even pay up.



His brother(half):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html


www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece
My bad it was his aunt


This is just of a guy claiming to had spoken with a college kid working at a obama phone bank but it is pretty intereesting.
www.trueobamafacts.com/
"He stumbled through a series of answers. Obama would “give” the unemployed jobs so that they could pay taxes and get a tax break. When I reminded him that would only account for 6%, he–in a tribute to the American education system–said that Obama was really talking about the 55% difference between 95 and 40. I reminded him that Obama had specified 95%, not 55%. He replied that “Obama didn’t really mean that.” I asked if he, the caller, was really supporting a candidate who lied about something so important?"
He told me to wait while he talked to his supervisor. I could overhear bits of a conversation in which he referred to me, rather politely, as “a difficult one.” (At least he didn’t call me THAT one.)
When he returned to the phone, he informed me that Obama would reach the 95% figure by initiating taxes on the 40% who don’t pay income taxes now, so that he could later give them their promised tax break. .

www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200512070900.asp
Interesting, apparently the upper class already pays the most. But according to this it could cause less of the upper class to even pay up.

Lots of stupid in that article. The rise of the top %1 income taxes couldn't possibly have anything to do with funneling the extra money into the Wall Street Casinos, could it? Or investing in other companies? Or making new industries? All I'm hearing is a bunch of spoiled rich people wiping their tears and their ass with Franklin's face.

If there is one person I would trust to know his shit about money, it would be the world's richest man:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iEoh4tPLHPMMok875VIJDcq3FOKg

Buffet also expounded a bit:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

This is just of a guy claiming to had spoken with a college kid working at a obama phone bank but it is pretty intereesting.

Yea, and Republicans believe Obama is a socialist commie hellbent on raping your daughter, aborting your unborn son, and throwing your guns into a furnace at the same time. Christians believe this and that about what Jesus said or meant. The sky is blue. Fire hot. Etc. Etc. People say make themselves to be complete morons all the times talking about topics they have no clue about. It's nothing new. ;)

Yea, and Republicans believe Obama is a socialist commie hellbent on raping your daughter, aborting your unborn son, and throwing your guns into a furnace at the same time. Christians believe this and that about what Jesus said or meant. The sky is blue. Fire hot. Etc. Etc. People say make themselves to be complete morons all the times talking about topics they have no clue about. It's nothing new. ;)



said that Obama was really talking about the 55% difference between 95 and 40. I reminded him that Obama had specified 95%, not 55%. He replied that “Obama didn’t really mean that.”


Did you read the qoute though. 95% of the pop actually wont get breaks. Only 55%.

I am done with this though, you will not change my mind I don't think some of these ideas will work. I dont think the change we are promised will necessarily be good change. Maybe these ideas and promised change will be for the better, I don't know for sure, only time will tell.

Did you read the qoute though. 95% of the pop actually wont get breaks. Only 55%.

I am done with this though, you will not change my mind I don't think some of these ideas will work. I dont think the change we are promised will necessarily be good change. Maybe these ideas and promised change will be for the better, I don't know for sure, only time will tell.

My point was the guy was an idiot. I can very well see that only %55 will get the breaks, since they pretty much end at ~$650k. It's not that I believe it is a good thing, it is that I don't think its nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. Look back four years from now, it might have been a bad thing to do, but its not going to be the end of the world or the end of our nation.

My point was the guy was an idiot. I can very well see that only %55 will get the breaks, since they pretty much end at ~$650k. It's not that I believe it is a good thing, it is that I don't think its nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. Look back four years from now, it might have been a bad thing to do, but its not going to be the end of the world or the end of our nation.

Well you are ok with straight up lies and I am not. I am not ok with someone making false promises to me. I mean atleast the guy is using fact to back up what he says.

My point was we were being lied to, not whether the guy is intelligent or not.

Well you are ok with straight up lies and I am not. I am not ok with someone making false promises to me. I mean atleast the guy is using fact to back up what he says.

My point was we were being lied to, not whether the guy is intelligent or not.

Fair enough, but I still didn't vote for him. :p

Fair enough, but I still didn't vote for him. :p

Ok, now we can get back on topic here haha. Sorry for kind of hijacking.

Ok, now we can get back on topic here haha. Sorry for kind of hijacking.

Not done yet! :D

I went and bought that drill press today. $40 it was. It's an older version of this (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showpage?saleitemid=160361&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=649#enalarge). Mine has a 1/3 hp motor and is quite loud.

It does have good bearings in it, two ball races at the top and bottom of the spindle. One of the reviews on that say that the chuck falls off easilly. I'll probably have to get a ball joint fork to get this one off mine. :/ One of the bearings must have some dirt in it because it sticks in one place. Of course, it might break it up once I run it some. For some reason, they decided to put a metric depth measuring plate on it. It can plunge 5 cm according to the plate, but I set the stop nut to 4cm because it interferes with the pointer. If I took the depth gauge off the quill I can run it down about 7-8 cm. I thought I saw a tap and die set, but they just had dies, and the set was $60. I also saw a Snap-On torque wrench I would have loved to have, but not for $130.

Bah..

Prices are going on on various websites.

Spikes Tactical,

AR15 lowers went up $54 overnight.




Not only that but has anyone noticed the attitude of african americans changing?

I've ran in to a few rude blacks over the past days.

There was one crazy individual standing in down town tampa yelling something along the lines of "Cracker bitches you're gonna get yours!" etc... etc...

How cheap is cheap?

Anything Under $900, which i Realize is pretty easy to get BASIC M4, but I want one with flat top, preferably Picantiy rails(Not required but wouldnt mind), and a BIS. The one in this link is almost perfect minus the scope(I realize a nice good CCO will run $300+) If its not possible to get one for that price obviously im going to have to say up that extra couple hundred. What about gun shows? Its been MONTHS since I been to one but do you think id be able to find one for a really good price?

http://www.epicycle.org.uk/images/m4ram-2005.jpg

This. Obama is not for banning guns outright, but there are most likely (and unfortunately) going to be alot more red assholes in Congress for the next few years than blue ones.

To be honest, if you are panic buying just because of Obama, you are an idiot who thinks we live in a monarchy. Obama isn't your problem, those west coast assholes are the ones that want to ban guns.

hey we aren't ALL crazy over here

My source is completely dried up. I didn't get another, like I had intended, and several of my friends went without due to procrastination.

Not only that but has anyone noticed the attitude of african americans changing?

I've ran in to a few rude blacks over the past days.

There was one crazy individual standing in down town tampa yelling something along the lines of "Cracker bitches you're gonna get yours!" etc... etc...

You have no idea...

Not only that but has anyone noticed the attitude of african americans changing?

I've ran in to a few rude blacks over the past days.

There was one crazy individual standing in down town tampa yelling something along the lines of "Cracker bitches you're gonna get yours!" etc... etc...

Whenever that happens to me, I simply laugh, light one of my fine imported cigars with a rolled up twenty dollar bill, put on my monacle and top hat, climb into my Rolls and cruise back to my palacial estate while Tyrone or whoever he is has to walk back to the projects to sell crack for food money.

Just kidding. Srsly tho, 2000 years of white economic superiority ftw.