Hi, I thought I would make a combat thread.

In this thread, discussions on all kinds of hypothetical combat relating to asymmetric warfare. Tactics, things that are not found in books, strategies, equipment, e&e, c&c, you know the fun stuff.

Stuff your typical member of the military isn't going to know.

Let's make this thread interesting, you have to specify the rules. For example, let's discuss the killing of a military commander first.

Location: The Free World. Easy access to firearms and ammunition, though there could be a paper trail which is very easy to get around. Explosives not easy to get. Materials to make explosives relatively easy to get. Government sponsored surveillance of the citizenry. Secret detentions. Secret courts. Detention without charge or trial. Country repeatedly violates constitution. Massive electronic, signal and human intelligence networks. I think you get it.

Target: Military commander. Travels in private jet. Bullet proof motorcades. Surrounded by body guards willing to sacrifice their own lives for that of the boss. Roads closed during travel. Overhead aerial support. I think you get it.

Equipment available: Generally limited by funds.

Personal training: Low to very low, though firearms proficiency is relatively high according to self appraisals. Proficiency under stress not tested. An untrained, unpredictable mind is the best asset in this case. I think you get it. Physical fitness is something that can easily be worked on. Cardio and strength. Do not sacrifice speed for bulk. Proficient in the tactic of loose lips sink ships. Echelon is a bitch.

Please establish any extra background information you think might be necessary, and then we can get thinking. This could very well be a suicide mission. Do you think the two words before the previous full stop will get the NSA to say hello?

The mind is a very powerful tool. Let's play mind games!

I'm confindent that you could kill ANYONE if i wanted, getting away with it is the hard part. You could walk up to the president of the united states, shake his hand and then put two bullets in his head, USSS would probably either shoot you or have you on the ground before he'd dropped but you could still kill him quite easily, just like anyone else.

The General: (Working on the fly here, feel free to pick wholes)

To me sniping is the only way to have atleast a slim chance of surviving the first 5 minutes after the shot.

Equiptment:
Savage M10 .308win (Cheap, accurate and plenty reliable or this mission) $1100
Bushnell 10x40mm scope (Once again Cheap, repeatable and reliable) $200
Harris Medium S-series Bi-pod - $100
Laser range finder - $400
Good Wind meter of some kind - $100
Sand sock - Free
200x 178gr HDY A-MAX projectiles (assuming the target isn't wearing kevlar, if so, either 155gr Lapua Scenar or 175gr MatchKings) - $100
100x Lapua .308win brass - $60
500gr AR2208 (Varget) - $45
200x Federal Gold Medal Primers - $14
Depending on enviroment, a couple of rolls of burlap and a few packs of dye - $cheap
Rental car (with fake ID) - $60
Exit plan for given state/country - varies too much, so we'll say $3000

The rest is really a play-by-ear scenario, find the weakness, find when he's going to be walking to/from the car and where that will be, find acceptable shooting possitions which will give you a chance to run like a black man after raping a white girl after the shot and, if it feels right, drop him.

Any person can kill anyone given the right motivation, circumstances, etc.
The question is if you can live with it.

Yeah, you see, you have to be able to get within hand shaking distance, and that's not going to happen.

You also can't just say you have a fake ID, you actually have to know how to obtain one that will check out on a database.

Getting intel on where he is going to be, his access routes and times is not going to be easy. This isn't a EA game or a hollywood movie.

You don't have a network to use here, you are working alone, or maybe with 2 people at the max, who also do not have a network.

You only have your mind.

You only have your mind.

In that case, i'll get back to you tomorrow :p .

i dunno, i think the safest bet, yet an unreliable method, would be to use an IED. I mean, with all that security it would be difficult to set up a good sniper's position, and even if you do, his security detail would probably have thought of it.

or you could sabotage his plane

Just poison his water supply. Worked for the Borgias you know?

The specifics, I'll leave to anyone else.

What's the policy on collateral damage? Is it ok to take out the entire vehicle, and everyone in it, if necessary? Entire building? Entire city?

You can complete your objective any way you so desire. Taking of civilian lives is discouraged and is not going to help your cause. Staff are not considered civilian.

Good luck with taking out a whole building or city block where the target is likely to be.

A vest filled with HME and a couple of young fellas that dont like the dude, plus threaten to kill their family rape their sisters etc.

Its worked in the middle east for at least 100 years with varying degrees of success.

BTW I dont know what you mean by "the fun stuff" what isnt in a book or hasnt been used by a soldier?

I hate to seem overly critical but honestly I don't understand the appeal of threads such as this. Being discussed is a hypothetical situation which in all likelihood none of us will face; personally I think we should be more concerned with the discussion of defending our homes and our lives, a combat which is altogether more important than this roleplay.

Just my $0.02

A vest filled with HME and a couple of young fellas that dont like the dude, plus threaten to kill their family rape their sisters etc.

Its worked in the middle east for at least 100 years with varying degrees of success.

BTW I dont know what you mean by "the fun stuff" what isnt in a book or hasnt been used by a soldier?

You can't do that it makes it look really bad.

The stuff you would not find in books marked 'restricted' but might find in books marked 'secret'.

I hate to seem overly critical but honestly I don't understand the appeal of threads such as this. Being discussed is a hypothetical situation which in all likelihood none of us will face; personally I think we should be more concerned with the discussion of defending our homes and our lives, a combat which is altogether more important than this roleplay.

Just my $0.02

There is nothing wrong with using collective brain power to learn new tricks which will very likely be useful one day, if history has shown us anything.

backpkr: agreed

Goldngreen: Makes no sense. Its always nice to get a new discussion going though.

I just realised how bad an idea this is!

Why would you want to have original ideas made so very public for the enemy to observe?

Sorry.