Here's a guide I'm writing about cops in relation to driving. It's not done yet, and the formatting is kind of bad still. But I hope you'll enjoy it's semi-done state while I'm still working on it. It's a bit irresponsible, but it has information for -everyone-.


How to avoid tickets

First of all, be very aware of cops. Always. Know where they sit, know where your radar detector makes a false alert (and how STRONG that false alert is...since it could be a REAL alert some day), pay attention to what's driving behind you. I've gotten very good at spotting them.

You'd be surprised at some of the things cops do. Having a radar detector helps you get in their head a little bit, and you can more easily avoid getting caught.

Here is some behavior that cops exhibit which is good to be familiar and aware of:

They will drive past you, hit the brakes and do a 3 point turn and come follow you. Sometimes they do it because they can tell you're speeding, but don't have a working radar gun in the car, or the car has LIDAR (which can't be used while moving, or through windows).

By coming up from behind and pacing you, they can tell how fast you're going, and see if you're weaving or anything... and run your plates... etc. Sometimes they just stop and turn around to follow you because they know you and your car, and think they can catch you in the act of doing something bad. WATCH OUT for this. Always watch a cop in the rearview mirror once you have passed him, whether he's driving or sitting. Awareness is KEY.

A lot of the time they do this, they won't have their radar on (or don't have working radar, or just have LIDAR...). So you really have to WATCH for it.

Sometimes they'll nail their brakes as soon as you go past (watch for this in the rearview), pull over, and radar your backside. This is not very common. Usually they just spin around to follow you.

If they're in front of you a little ways, but think you're messing around or speeding... they might turn into a parking lot, and pull out the radar gun. This happens a lot.

Sometimes if they're in front of you, they'll turn off onto another road, make a quick block, and pull out behind you. Now they run your plates, radar you, etc. They also do this by pulling into parking lots. Once they turn off, you think they're gone... and might start speeding again.

Sometimes, you will go by their speed trap, or just pass by the place where they happened to be sitting. Then a couple miles down the road, they will come speeding up at 90+ MPH and radar you. This happens most at night, when there's not many people around.

Being behind you is very advantageous to them.

Another trick they use is the "no headlights". They will drive up behind you with no headlights on. Sometimes they use their parking lights, sometimes they don't. Always pay attention to your rear view mirror, especially if a cop has gone by you on the other side of the road.

Sometimes they'll just sit somewhere and not use their radar. Sometimes they'll sit there and leave the gun blasting away, and you pick it up a mile and a half down the road from them.

Sometimes, they'll wait for you to go by. They'll have no lights on, and will be hiding behind a hill with the radar pointed away from you. You are then fucked, UNLESS you knew beforehand that they like to sit there and slowed down. SOMETIMES the radar will bounce back and you'll get a light reading, but usually not.

Tips for when you DO get pulled over:
Treat the cop like a person. Be polite. Do not admit to doing ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY street racing. Often, a cop will not have enough to give you a ticket unless you give him an admission of guilt. Like in the instance of my 85MPH in a 55 zone... they had me on radar. They just did not have a visual to back it up. They needed an admission of guilt, but I knew it and wouldn't give them one.

Not admitting to anything also makes it easier if you decide to have a lawyer take care of the ticket.

If they ask you if you know how fast you were going, say NO, or say the speed limit. If they ask you if you know the speed limit, say NO. If they ask you if you were speeding, say "I don't know" or "no".

RUNNING from the cops:

Stupid idea. Don't do it.

If you want to escape, here's some scenarios you MIGHT get away with it...

You should only try these in an area that you know very well!! If it's dark out, be wary of getting out and walking. You will look suspicious.

Scenario 1:
You are speeding, and the cop is driving the opposite direction, and radars you. You know he radar'd you because you have a detector. Otherwise, you know he knows you were doing something bad because it was obvious (you are going way fast, your engine was screaming, or something like that).

You watch in your rear view mirror -like I told you-, and you see him hit his brakes. His car will likely start to turn. He is preparing to do a 3 point turn, or attempting a u-turn.

AS SOON AS HE HITS HIS BRAKES, YOU TURN ONTO A SIDE ROAD.

Then, you turn again. And again. You drive for a few hundred feet, then you park your fucking car, and you get out, lock it, and you start walking towards whatever gas station/wal mart or whatever is nearby. Get away from it.

If you are not near anything, or are in a residential area, you park your car, lock the doors, and take out your cell phone. Call your friend. If by some miracle the cop finds you, you play the stupid card. You are parked because you're using a cell phone and didn't want to be dangerous while driving.

Since you turned off before he had a chance to turn around, he wasn't able to get your license plate. He now has no evidence against you, unless you give him some with an admission of guilt.

FWIW, I've never been found or questioned after using the "turn off the road as soon as you see his brake lights". Once they lose line of sight, and have no plate number, they have nothing. Even if they find you. JUST DON'T ADMIT GUILT. They can't prove WHO was driving the car either. You lent your car to a friend is always a viable excuse, as long as they don't catch you in it. Don't give them probable cause or an admission of guilt, and they can't do anything.



Scenario 2:
Cop is sitting somewhere, a school parking lot for instance, and sees you fucking around on the road. You see him (in the rear view, or otherwise) shift his car out of park. You know this because his brake lights came on, and then you saw his reverse lights turn on for a split second.

He is coming for you, but has to get out of the parking lot first.

You can employ the same tactics as in scenario one.

Break line of sight immediately. Make a few turns. If you must continue driving, go in a different direction than you were originally.

Same tactics. If you by some horrible luck actually are found/pulled over.... don't admit to anything. Say you are driving to a different store or something. Don't let him trick you with questions. You were never on that road at that time.

Scenario 3:
Cop is stuck in traffic, saw you break the law, but can't get room to turn over.

Same as 1 and 2. Turn off the road. If it's daylight, park and start walking. CALMLY.

Scenario 4: The highway

You're on the highway, in a fast car. You're doing 120-140MPH.

You come around a slight curve, and there you see it.... a cop. Your radar detector didn't save you from him. He's got a visual of you, and you're DEFINITELY going over 90mph.

IF:
1.) You're in a fast car
2.) you know the area
3.) You don't hit your brakes when you see him
4.) He's in a crown vic
5.) You know how to drive

Well, KEEP GOING. Put your foot to the FLOOR and top that sucker out. In all likeliness, they won't chase you. They'll call ahead and tell someone to intercept. Problem is, they don't have your plate number. If they do chase you, they'll never catch up.

Get off, park behind a denny's or something, and go eat somewhere else. They don't have shit on you. Just don't be near that car until the heat is off.

If you're in a slow car, and you just topped it out getting to 120mph, well... good luck.

You might be able to hold it at 120 till the next exit, then get off and get back on the highway going the other way before he catches up to you. He's GOING to find you if you get off the highway and then drive normally, since you won't put much distance on him before he starts catching up to you. Those crown vics can hit 140 though, and don't take THAT long from 0.

This scenario banks on you already going very fast, while they are stopped. This gives you the needed distance to "run" right away. It's pretty damn risky, so be careful.

Really running (and escaping)

So you're going for it. The cop is on your bumper with his lights on, and you've got a reason to endanger your life, and everyone else's.

Cop has to be: 1 or 2, Crown Victoria only.

You better have:

1.) A fast car. 14 flat second quarter minimum. Good brakes. It better be reliable.
2.) Some amazing driving skills and a clear head under pressure.
3.) A good knowledge of the area.
4.) Enough gas to go flat out in your car for 5-6 minutes MINIMUM.

Go go go! Don't panic. Just don't panic. Remember to shift, and be safe. You'll have to take some risks, but if you wreck... they've got you!

Traffic is the enemy. The police have lights and sirens, you don't. Traffic is unpredictable. Avoid it!

Avoid the highway. It's death. Predictable exits. Easy landmarking. The cops will have you for sure. More cops will be showing up, and expect to see a helicopter.

If you're on the highway, I hope you're in a -FAST- car. Dust the cops, do a U-Turn at one of the turn arounds, drive normally if you've "lost" them, and then get off the fucking highway, and park in the back of a Denny's or something! Remember... it's not running till they're behind you with their lights on. You can also dust them, exit, and drive safely and calmly home.

Getting away:
Lose them. It's like a movie. Break line of sight. Take quick turns THAT YOU CAN MAKE. DO NOT WRECK TRYING TO TURN 90 degrees at 100MPH. Take a FEW turns. You're literally on a race track, hoping your car and driving skills are better than his. LOSE HIM.

Once you break line of sight for more than a minute or so, STOP BREAKING THE LAW UNLESS THE COP GETS BEHIND YOU WITH HIS LIGHTS ON AGAIN. Get out of the immediate area. If the officer sees you again, chances are there are more than one _____(insert your car) in the immediate area. If you're not breaking the law, he's got no real reason to pull you over!

Once you've broken line of sight for a couple minutes and have gotten out of the immediate area, park your car, get out, and get on the bus or something. Start walking. Go to a coffee shop and sit down. NOT where you parked your car! If they can't put you and the car together, you're golden. Have a coffee or a sandwich. Chill the fuck out.

You're going to be paranoid, shaking, and scared. You're alright. Just go home (NOT IN YOUR CAR), and don't answer the door to anyone. Police aren't allowed inside without a warrant. You're safe. Don't park your car at your home for a while. Make it disappear.

They may have your plate number, but they don't have YOU. They won't come to your house and arrest you. They might come and ASK, but the answer is "I don't want to talk to you." and closing the door. They have no right to question you, unless you AGREE to talk to them. Without an admission from you, they have nothing but a plate number. You do not have to talk to them, so don't.

Unless someone died, they won't investigate it further. 90% of the time they won't even come to your door looking for you, especially if they roll by the house and see the car isn't there.

Go to the DMV and say your license plate fell off, and you need a new one. Pay the money, get your new license plate, and be glad that you're not in jail.

This will prevent that same cop from targeting your car if he happens to see you out and about. They DO remember plates.

GETTING CAUGHT!

Knowing when you're caught is key in the "running, but not running" scenarios.

Know this: Until they are -reasonably- behind you, with their lights on: YOU ARE NOT RUNNING. YOU ARE SPEEDING.

If they ask you if you were running from them, the answer is -ALWAYS- "No, sir.".

If you take a turn, and then another turn, and you can still SEE a police car, and they're flooring it towards you (you can tell when they're gunning it)... you are caught.

Just drive NORMALLY until they come up behind you and pull you over. Take a few deep breaths, calm down, and get your story straight. You didn't see them until they were in your rear view mirror WITH THEIR LIGHTS ON, and you weren't doing anything illegal anyway. -wink!-

Do not pull over and wait for them. Don't keep driving erratically. Pulling over for them before they get to you is almost an admission of guilt. Continuing to attempt to escape increases the chance they think you were running, and depending on what you do, they can write you tickets for it.

In ANY scenario where you THINK you're getting pulled over, and you can't attempt to escape... the best thing you can do is continue to drive normally!

Remember: It's not "running from the police" until they know beyond a reasonable doubt that you know they want you to pull over.

REALLY getting caught!!

Okay, so you messed up bad. You ran. They chased. They know you were running beyond a reasonable doubt. You are screwed. Why didn't you LISTEN to me??

It's possible you're going to jail. It's also possible you're losing your license.

Still, don't admit to running. If they ask why you ran, say "I wasn't running."

IF you get arrested, cooperate. Don't admit to anything, but cooperate fully. Always be polite and respectful. This will make it a lot easier when you are in court, with your lawyer (court appointed or private). It'll only hurt for a couple grand. Maybe a suspended license.

You'll be spending the night in jail, and probably have court in the morning. The cuffs will hurt, the cops will be assholes. Just try to become their friends, but remember they are your enemies. They will try to get you to admit to what you did, but DON'T DO IT. The cops are NOT your friends. Relate to them like a human, but always remember that they're really NOT trying to help you.

ONLY the district attorney can make you a deal, no cop can. They will not go easy on you if you admit to what you did.

The best you can really hope for at this point is that they won't make the cuffs too tight, and that they'll be gentle when they shove you in the car/pull you out. They also won't tell the judge that you're an asshole during their testimony, if you cooperate, which will help. Your goal is to get them to think of you like a person, instead of just some punk-ass. But remember, they're NOT trying to help you, and anything you say to them WILL be used in court.

Some cops are lenient when you run, as long as you pull over quickly and easily and give them no trouble. You can try the "I panicked..." excuse. I doubt it'll work, but it's possible. If you're trying to say you panicked, LOOK panicked. Sweat. Rub your face. Dab at your forehead with a napkin. Apologize profusely, and beg for forgiveness. Tell him the pressure was too much. Tell him that stuff at home is really tough, and you are just stretched too thin. Your wife is out of a job. Your son was just diagnosed with ADHD and is failing in school. Relate to him like a human being. You MIGHT get lucky, and get off with a couple tickets. You might still go to jail. If you still go to jail, you just admitted to running from a cop. Sucks for you.

Notoriety

If you pull this crazy shit a lot, they will know you and your car. They -will- target you. If they see you, they'll follow you as much as they can without it being harassment. They'll wait for any little thing, so they can pull you over. They will become your enemies, so be aware.

Even though they know your car, without real proof of what you have done, they can't "get' you. Just never admit to anything, and make your car disappear for a week or so (and return with new plates) if you pull something really crazy.

Once they hate you, watch out. They will continue to hate you, until you get a new car. I don't recommend it.

General tips:

Only use a rear plate, unless they enforce it strictly where you live. This helps a LOT with reducing LIDAR detection of your car, and it helps with cops not being able to get your plate number.

Only the DA can make a deal with you.

Never admit to anything to a police officer.

Break line of sight. Once out of line of sight, they have nothing on you.

Park your car once you're out of sight, lock it, and start walking if possible. If not possible, get on your cell phone.

Know where they like to sit. Know what their cars look like.

Know their behavior, and know their sneaky tricks.

If you pull a lot of shit, go to the DMV and tell them your plate fell off, and get new ones. Cops will remember your car and your plates, and this helps.

Reasons to listen to me:

I have never run from the police before. Ever. What I'm about to say is NOT real at all, and is only for entertainment purposes.

I've escaped from them numerous numerous times, using all the methods I've put in this guide.

All of these happened in a 300WHP turbocharged 3350lb "Rally Rocket" car with a 5 speed manual transmission.

Story 1, completely not true:

I have escaped from the police during broad daylight rush hour traffic, where they were directly on my bumper with their lights and siren on directly before the chase. After losing them, I parked my car and walked. Nothing ever came of the chase, despite him obviously having my plate number. Nothing.

After losing him for a couple minutes, I was driving to a place I could safely park my car. I saw him again, at least I think it was the same cop. It was the same area, at the very least. He did not attempt to pull me over, or follow me.

We learn: breaking line of sight is everything.

Story 2, that is untrue:

A cop went to my house once while I was not there, with 9 tickets for me. He talked to my father, who told him that I was indeed driving on the night of the incident, in that time and place. I got the tickets for reckless driving, unsafe speed, etc. etc. etc.

He said that I was running from him, but he couldn't give me a ticket for evasion of police because he didn't have lights or a siren, because he was not driving a police vehicle at the time. He said his buddies were en-route in police cars, but that my car was too fast and I got away before they showed up. Since I never saw a police light, it was not evasion even though there was a cop in the car behind me.

My friend, who was ALSO screwing around speeding, weaving, and driving recklessly on the same night, had the same officer show up at HIS house. HE did not receive ANY tickets, because he said "I don't want to talk to you" and closed the door. Without any proof that he was driving, he could NOT be given any tickets.

What we learn is: Without talking to you after the fact, they can't prove it was YOU, and can't give you tickets. Especially if the car is not there. We also see that without any real sign of police like lights or siren, it's not evasion ("running"). So if the cops show up, don't talk to them! You don't even have to open the door! *It's the law!*

Story 3. Again, this never really happened, and is only entertainment:

Running from 2 city cops, I drifted around a corner and gunned it down the road past a sheriff's car heading the direction I was coming from. I didn't even hesitate when seeing the sheriff's car, I just kept my foot to the floor and blew past him at 80mph or so, still accelerating. The sheriff knew me and my car, and that I would just run. He didn't flip his lights on, he didn't even attempt to turn around. He just kept going. Notoriety actually HELPED me, since he didn't bother chasing. Nothing came of the chase.

Story 4, never happened:

I was speeding, and I crested a hill. A sheriff's car was there, and caught me doing 15+ over the limit. He started turning his car around, and began chasing me. I hammered it, and brought my car up to around 120MPH, a speed I knew he wouldn't be able to safely sustain on that road. I lost him.

Later that night, my car was parked at a friend's house nearby. I was in the backyard. I heard a car pull up, and I watched the shadows as a police officer got out, walked up to my car, and investigated it. He looked at the plate number.

He left, after doing nothing, because he had no proof. He knew it was the same car.

About 20 minutes later, I drove to my own house, which is very near to where the incident happened. As I rounded the corner, I saw a police car idling in the road. It was shining it's light on my house. He shined his big spotlight on my car, and then back on my house. I drove past him very calmly. He did not give chase, or attempt to do anything to me. Again, he KNEW it was the same car. It was a message like "I know where you live, punk. I know it was you.". But he could NOT do anything to me, because he had no proof. I drove away, and slept at a friend's that night. Nothing ever happened.

Story 5:
I went past a couple of cops sitting with just their parking lights on, talking. I was driving my 3000GT, and did nothing illegal as I went past them. I kept driving, and a mile down the road started doing about 85. It was a 55mph zone.

My radar detector went off, I hit the brakes down to 55, and I looked in the rear view. Just then, the cop's headlights crested the hill. I get pulled over. They asked me how fast I was going, and I said 55. He asked if I was sure I was doing 55, I said yes. They had no proof, since they didn't get a visual of my car doing 85, just the radar. I did -not- get a ticket. I got a ticket for having tinted front windows.

Lessons learned: They can't give you a ticket for it when they don't have a visual of it!

Radar Detectors

This is slightly separate, so it's down here instead of up at the top.

If you need to read this guide, you need one of these. If you speed a lot, it's invaluable. It's like another set of eyes. It's best used IN SUPPLEMENT to your own senses. It will not save you by itself, but a good detector combined with all the tips and awareness info contained in this guide, plus some work by you, will help a LOT in the fight against getting pulled over.

Buy a Beltronics RX65, a Bel Driver STi, or an Escort Passport 8500 X50. The Passport 9500i is what I use, but it's not necessary to have all those features.

The Bel Vector 900+ series is also VERY good, especially if you are on a budget. Accept NO OTHER if you can't afford to buy a $300+ detector.

A Valentine V1 is also very good, but I prefer the proven effectiveness of the Bel or Escort models. Valentine's are said to false - a lot-, and some have other problems. Still, a very good detector... but the Bel and Escorts are better, IMO.

Check out www.radarbusters.com and www.guysoflidar.com for lots of tips and facts about radar detectors, as well as actual tests. Their results reflect what I have said here: Bel STi driver, RX65 or Passport X50, or Bel Vector 900 (preferably the 995).

COBRA IS GARBAGE. Plain and simple. Don't buy into the hype. Whistler is mediocre. Radio Shack doesn't even sell theirs any more (but they had a few REALLY good ones, once upon a time. They're outdated now.) BEL OR ESCORT IS THE WAY TO GO.

Overall, I URGE you to at least buy a Bel Vector 995. If you can't afford that, spend at least $100 on a detector, and get it from Bel. They are the BEST bang for the buck. But please, consider how much money it's going to cost you if you get a ticket.... and just at LEAST buy a Bel Vector 995.

A) Make sure you have boobs.

B) Squeeze them together and twizle your hair.

A) Make sure you have boobs.

B) Squeeze them together and twizle your hair.

That might work if you're slutty looking... it has before. But most people coming here looking for advice have neither tits nor "twizle"-able hair.

I dunno if you guys have unmarked radar cars there, but I like to keep an eye out for late model commodores or falcons parked in suspicious spots, like on a nature strip or next to a busy road.

I've avoided two tickets in the past week by slowing for suspicion.

I dunno if you guys have unmarked radar cars there, but I like to keep an eye out for late model commodores or falcons parked in suspicious spots, like on a nature strip or next to a busy road.

I've avoided two tickets in the past week by slowing for suspicion.

This is good advice, I should've put it in my guide...

Slowing for suspicion has saved me a few times too. Usually our radar cars are marked, but sometimes slowing down for what might be a cop on the highway is a good idea.... or what might be a cop on the side of the road.

It's all about being aware. :D

Some other fun tips:

-They're not always in Crown Vics. I've seen police Tauruses, Mustangs, and Impalas. My local sherrifs department even has a Prius, but if you can't get away from that you should just kill yourself.

-If they're hanging on your bumper waiting for you to screw up, just pull into the nearest available parking lot and sit there. It annoys the shit out of them.

-(got this one from a friend) If you're really serious about running from the police, wire a switch to one of your brake lights. When you get some distance between you and the cop, make a turn and hit the switch. The cop will come around the corner, see 1 brake light, and assume it's not you. This only works at night and if you don't have a stupidly identifiable car.

-Drive an ex-police Crown Vic.

Theoretical tactics:

-Have a radio jamming device in the car.

-Smoke dispensers.

Some other fun tips:

-They're not always in Crown Vics. I've seen police Tauruses, Mustangs, and Impalas. My local sherrifs department even has a Prius, but if you can't get away from that you should just kill yourself.


My local department has a Charger, 5.7l Hemi, and DAMN that thing looks intimidating. Although, it really isn't if you think that it can only go fast in a straight line with no one else on the road due to it's width and soggy suspension.

Also, I lol'd at the Prius thing, because that thing would have trouble keeping up in a chase with a Geo Metro :D

(no, not really, but you get the idea :D)

Ah, right, the Chargers. I knew I was forgetting one.

Some douchebag deputy crashed their Prius, by the way.

Every time you get pulled over (or 'spotted' by a Cop).
Remember where you were, the time, the area, anything else.

Because next time you get pulled over they will ask you a question about something related to that 'contact'. Or state a 'fact'.

It will have a detail wrong, you have to correct them on it.
If you don't, then they know you are bullshitting them & thats when they get tough on you.


Other wise, smile, be nice, tell them what you are going to do before you do it.
Give them time to ask you not to do that.

Don't wave your arms about or point to things.
Keep your hands where they can see them, I link my thumbs together, after showing that theres nothing in my hands.
Like I twist my hands palms out so they can see, I look too, as if I could have grease on my hands & want to check. Then link thumbs.

My local department has a Charger, 5.7l Hemi, and DAMN that thing looks intimidating. Although, it really isn't if you think that it can only go fast in a straight line with no one else on the road due to it's width and soggy suspension.

Also, I lol'd at the Prius thing, because that thing would have trouble keeping up in a chase with a Geo Metro :D

(no, not really, but you get the idea :D)

width is very, very good, and 'soggy suspension' soaks up bumps, making it less likely to lose control on rough public roads.

My local department has a Charger, 5.7l Hemi, and DAMN that thing looks intimidating. Although, it really isn't if you think that it can only go fast in a straight line with no one else on the road due to it's width and soggy suspension.

Also, I lol'd at the Prius thing, because that thing would have trouble keeping up in a chase with a Geo Metro :D

(no, not really, but you get the idea :D)

No way dude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJz6L9QAm8M&feature=related

The easiest way to not get trapped in the first place is to know where and when the PD is where it is. There is a road that goes 55, then 40 for literally 150 feet, and then 55 again. There are no less than five little nooks and breaks in the trees where cops can and do sit and rack up a shit ton of tickets every months. Simple shit like this is the most effective.

In other news, I was playing "Fuck the Police" by NWA in my car (friend picked it out) with the windows down and a cop next to me. The looks between us and the cop were the most uncomfortable and rewarding ever.

I'm fairly sure they toughen up the suspension on the Charger cop cars.

No way dude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJz6L9QAm8M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j89gCCuA57o

Fuck yes.

Also, Nereth, why, might I ask, is width good?

Also, I pointed out the soggy suspension because in case of a real chase, I doubt it could keep up with any even decently handling car. And no, I'm not talking about ripping though urban neighborhoods miraculously avoiding small children and puppies, I mean every day situations.

What if it had to take a turn quickly? It couldn't. What if it's in a high speed pursuit and has to make a quick maneuver to avoid a civilian? It probably couldn't.

The easiest way to not get trapped in the first place is to know where and when the PD is where it is. There is a road that goes 55, then 40 for literally 150 feet, and then 55 again. There are no less than five little nooks and breaks in the trees where cops can and do sit and rack up a shit ton of tickets every months. Simple shit like this is the most effective.

In other news, I was playing "Fuck the Police" by NWA in my car (friend picked it out) with the windows down and a cop next to me. The looks between us and the cop were the most uncomfortable and rewarding ever.

nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j89gCCuA57o

Fuck yes.

Also, Nereth, why, might I ask, is width good?

Also, I pointed out the soggy suspension because in case of a real chase, I doubt it could keep up with any even decently handling car. And no, I'm not talking about ripping though urban neighborhoods miraculously avoiding small children and puppies, I mean every day situations.

What if it had to take a turn quickly? It couldn't. What if it's in a high speed pursuit and has to make a quick maneuver to avoid a civilian? It probably couldn't.

Width does exactly the same thing as lowering the CG (reduces lateral load transfer, increasing lateral grip), without the penalty to longitudinal load transfer that a RWD car suffers from lowering the CG.

As to the soggy suspension, I have two things to say:

1) When designing performance suspension, the rule of thumb is to have your suspension as soft as it can be without hitting the bump stops or w/e. This can cause some bad transients, but smart design is used to put an upper limit on 'how soft can we go?'.

2) The suspension is probably 'heavy-dutied' on cop cars, just as rocko says. They change a lot of things on cop cars so they go faster/handle better/don't fall apart from pit maneuvers/jumping up kerbs.

Hey Nerf, can you come up with an engineering solution to the problem of my shorts being too big/cheats for elefunk?

This is the most intelligent write-up I've read since the last time I read the totse text files.

wonder if these dumbasses know that prius's arent that slow...

wonder if these dumbasses know that prius's arent that slow...

Yes, we realize that. All you do is bitch and moan, so why don't you go back to SG?

Just because we call a Prius slow doesn't mean it's slow, maybe we like to make fun of it.

wonder if these dumbasses know that prius's arent that slow...

^ wonder if this mungweed is one of those people a few taps short of a saloon who believe that buying a Prius goes some way to helping the environment.

wonder if these dumbasses know that prius's arent that slow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8hgclX_oSQ

"It'll beat any SUV"

LOLOLOLOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8hgclX_oSQ

"It'll beat any SUV"

LOLOLOLOL

Would like to see it against the Toyota TRD Tundra ;).

^^

yeah lets build a toyota hilux to try and compete with the holden/ford sport utes...


great idea ay

First gen Prius runs a 0-60 of 13 seconds, and a 1/4 mile of about 19 seconds according to magazine times I've seen. THAT IS FUCKING SLOW. You have to go back to the early-mid 1980s for even a Corolla (hardly a performance car) to be that slow.

Some other fun tips:
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-Drive an ex-police Crown Vic.

This only helps about half the time..

And Crown Vic P71s are usually limited to 130mph, and yeah, once we hit 3rd gear (about 90mph) it takes quite a while to hit that 130...


In other news, I was playing "Fuck the Police" by NWA in my car (friend picked it out) with the windows down and a cop next to me. The looks between us and the cop were the most uncomfortable and rewarding ever.

Similarly, I drove through a DWI checkpoint with "Bad Boys" by inner circle fucking cranked (Cops TV show theme song for those not in the know.) Got a warning about the noise ordinance and sent on my way.

Guide

...or just don't drive like an irresponsible prick and save the fancy stuff for the track?

^ yeah I've read through this thread a couple of times and thought something along those lines.

^^^Well you see, she's an excellent driver, and not at all the reason noone can take someone saying they are a good driver at face value...

The ability to take corners really really fast > Awareness and driving so traffic flows smoothly;)

A girl I was dating was pulled over for 65 in a 55, got a 10 over ticket. Next weekend I drove down to see her and I checked, sure enough, speed limit didn't turn to 55 until about a half a mile after where the cop said he clocked her. I assumed she was wrong, as she's a girl (sorry Seph), but I stand corrected. Cop clocked her at 65 in a 70, waited for the speed limit to turn to 55 before he pulled her over. I told her to fight it, but she didn't, paid it and let it go. Her loss.

I was pulled over once going 91 in a 55. My Escort 8500 X50 (excellent choice) blew up just before the crest of a hill, and I managed to slow from 110+ to 91 before I got solidly clocked. Worse comes to worst: chick cop. I chose honesty. She says: Have you been drinking? No mam, but I've been driving for about 12 hours (true), and I'm about an hour away from home (true) and I'm anxious to get there (true). Do you know how fast you were going? Probably 80 or 85... I clocked you at 91... Ok... Do you know the limit? 70 (true, as far as I knew)? Limit here is 55... Oh...

I got off without a ticket. She didn't even run my license. She told me to slow down. I thanked her.

ALWAYS HIDE YOUR DETECTOR! Way I see it, a radar detector is an admission of guilt. If you actually get pulled over, pull it first thing, stash it under a seat or anywhere else out of sight. I think it helps. It's helped me.

edit: I want to add, sometimes cops are nice to you. Story thats true: A buddy and I were ripping down the highway at 110 plus, he on his motorcycle, I in a tuned to hell GTI. Cop comes out of no where, I spot him right behind me when the detector goes off. Pulls us both over, makes us get out, frisks us. We were easily going 130 when he paced us. Cop says how fast were you going? We glance at each other, I say 80 tops. Cop says well I was going 110, you were pulling away from me damn fast... Really officer, couldn't be... He writes a ticket for 80 in a 70. I'd take that over reckless driving any day. Adapt to your situation.

^^^Well you see, she's an excellent driver, and not at all the reason noone can take someone saying they are a good driver at face value...

The ability to take corners really really fast > Awareness and driving so traffic flows smoothly;)

Did you even read what I wrote?

90% of it is about being aware of what the police are doing around you. If I had to sum it up quick it'd be:

"Be aware, pay attention, don't run, and here's what to do if you DO run, and here's how to talk to cops without fucking yourself over."

And yes, I am a good driver. I say that because I studied how to control a vehicle at www.turnfast.com and then applied their methodology to cornering in the dry, wet and especially the snow (Where you really learn about how a vehicle reacts at the traction limit, with a small punishment for error), I pay an extreme amount of attention, and I know what my limits are. I have an extreme amount of experience, and I've never been involved in a wreck since teaching myself how to drive.

So eat a dick jimany cricket, so something blocks the bullshit from flowing out of your mouth.

I wrote this guide to cover -MOST- situations in which someone would encounter police while in a motor vehicle.

Even if you aren't breaking the law, the guide is applicable. You will be pulled over, even if you are someone who never breaks the law. The awareness and police behavior information is especially relevant to someone who drives at night. Being aware of what is going on around you is part of being a good driver.

A few of the regular members (the ones who aren't self righteous douche bags) have "admitted" (no one actually does these things...) to speeding, and low-grade evasion of police like described in my guide. The information contained in it could prove useful to them, especially regarding the law on line of sight, what is running, and interaction with the police.

I covered awareness of police, radar detector selection, how to talk to police when in trouble for the various things described in the guide, and the actuality of running.

This guide is nowhere near what you would find in the text files. It contains a wide range of information based on knowledge of the law here in the USA, as well as practical experience. I even say several times NOT to run. I think 99% of you would die/kill someone/end up in jail if you tried it.

The fact that it contains illegal and irresponsible activities does NOT mean that the information contained within the guide is invalid or not valuable.

So get fucked, every single one of you who is giving me shit for writing it. It's relevant to this forum.

I am a good driver. I say that because I studied how to control a vehicle at www.turnfast.com...

I see:rolleyes: My point was you skill as a driver on a public road has nothing to do with how fast you can take a given corner, and high speed pursuits = not good;)

I see:rolleyes: My point was you skill as a driver on a public road has nothing to do with how fast you can take a given corner, and high speed pursuits = not good;)
Yes it does. There is always a maximum speed that a corner can be taken at sure, but it's down to skill (as well as your car/bike and road conditions) as to whether or not you can manage to take that corner at it's potential maximum speed.

I see:rolleyes: My point was you skill as a driver on a public road has nothing to do with how fast you can take a given corner, and high speed pursuits = not good;)

But your point is invalid.

Your skill as a driver has EVERYTHING to do with how fast you can take a corner on a public road.

I would be hurt/dead/in jail if I couldn't control my car EXTREMELY well. Applying race-style driving skills on a public road is the difference between making it through a corner close to your vehicle's limit, and being the next guy that hits a fence/pole or flips his car on COPS.

Yes it does. There is always a maximum speed that a corner can be taken at sure, but it's down to skill (as well as your car/bike and road conditions) as to whether or not you can manage to take that corner at it's potential maximum speed.

QFT.

The guys you watch on COPS that run from the cop and end up wrecking don't have very good vehicle control. So they fail.

I saw one where a guy was in a Corvette going 160mph. He blew past all the cops but the helicopter was on him. He wrecked into the back of a semi. I have no clue how good he was, but apparently not THAT good since he decided to run on the highway in traffic.

But your point is invalid.

Your skill as a driver has EVERYTHING to do with how fast you can take a corner on a public road.

I would be hurt/dead/in jail if I couldn't control my car EXTREMELY well. Applying race-style driving skills on a public road is the difference between making it through a corner close to your vehicle's limit, and being the next guy that hits a fence/pole or flips his car on COPS.
This.

If skill was irrelevant we'd all be able to drive as fast as Loeb.

Edit: God I hope that you don't think that a fast car = a fast driver, jimany. You are probably one of the kids who tries to race me in their civic with a bodykit when I'm on my fireblade. Lawl.

Are both your heads full of dicks or some shit? I said skill on a public road, then you bring up that you'd be dead if you couldn't handle your vehicle as well as you can... A good driver never gets close to the limits of their car*

Theres a time and a place to fool around, and that is certainly not a public road.

*Of course shit happens, and anyone can be caught by black ice/any other surface that provides less friction.

Just to reiterate again, being a skilled race driver and knowing your car well = good, but using said skills and knowledge fully on the street= fucking dumb.:rolleyes:

^ Wise words to anyone who cares to listen.

IMO, when it comes to running from the police (which I have never and will never do), you've got about a 30 second window to successfully get away. After that, the radio report is out, and you don't have a prayer.

Are both your heads full of dicks or some shit? I said skill on a public road, then you bring up that you'd be dead if you couldn't handle your vehicle as well as you can... A good driver never gets close to the limits of their car*

Theres a time and a place to fool around, and that is certainly not a public road.

*Of course shit happens, and anyone can be caught by black ice/any other surface that provides less friction.

Just to reiterate again, being a skilled race driver and knowing your car well = good, but using said skills and knowledge fully on the street= fucking dumb.:rolleyes:

A good driver gets as close to the limits of their car as they WANT to.

There's a difference between being good at driving and being irresponsible with how hard you push it. Some amazing drivers have died because they took their car too far.

Personally, I push my car to about 8/10th's on the street. Yes, even when I'm running from the cops. I don't go around corners at 10/10th's. EVER.

Going at 8/10th's gives me plenty of extra in case something happens.

And LOL at black ice...

It's just that "black ice" is just a way of saying "WOW I HAD NO IDEA THE ROAD COULD BE FROZEN AND I WAS DRIVING IN A WAY THAT FUCKED ME OVER WHEN I HIT SOME ICE".

Ice is never a big shiny white and bluish block like you'd see in a cartoon... it's always basically invisible.

If it's cold out, you need to be prepared for the possibility of ice.

I've only ONCE been surprised by ice. I pulled into a parking lot that hadn't been plowed, and the entire thing was packed ice. You could've skated on it. The owners hadn't salted or anything.

I damn well almost slid into a dumpster, but I turned my car and applied what traction I could to change direction. I hit nothing.

I've never been surprised by ice on a road.

I used to drive at 8/10th's in the snow and ice. Syracuse NY is notorious for icy roads. My WRX had Nokian snow tires (best you can buy as a consumer). I KNEW that it was icy out in some patches, and I adjusted my driving to that information. Winter was the best time for me to drift around corners and drive hard, because the police had ZERO chance of catching me.

There's an exit ramp in Syracuse NY (my old stomping ground), from 690W getting off at West Street. It goes from concrete to pavement as you exit the bridge, and you are still cornering.

I know it's there, and I drive in a way that when I hit it, I don't lose control.

But the first time I was ripping my car around that bridge, and I didn't know it was there, I didn't hit it and lose control. I hit it, lost some front traction, and adjusted my line outward a bit to compensate. People watching wouldn't have even known it happened.

If you go around a corner at 8/10th's and your rear end kicks out unexpectedly, you can recover. When you do it at 10/10th's, THATS IT. You aren't regaining traction, because you just took it to 10/10th's and the tires can't catch up until you scrub a LOT of speed.

When I fuck around, it's not "Initial D". I leave myself plenty of room to widen or tighten my line based on changing conditions, be it traction, other vehicles, animals, whatever. 90% of the time I could even start braking around the corner by pre-emptively counter steering to keep the rear end in line.


You can push your car close to it's limits safely. It's all about HOW close you get, before the random number generator that is life serves you a strange card. That's when your 2/10th's that you left out come into play. There's a reasonable amount of pre determined variables though. I will never encounter a huge patch of gravel in the middle of my highway, but I know there will be some gravel and crap on the side of a sweeping turn bridge that has closed sides. I won't encounter a large patch of black ice in July while driving around in South Carolina. Maybe a deer, but not black ice.


Your underlying message is good Jimany, but you are talking about things you don't seem to understand fully, or don't have enough experience with.

Race driving skills applied on the street != irresponsibly applying race driving skills on the street

IMO, when it comes to running from the police (which I have never and will never do), you've got about a 30 second window to successfully get away. After that, the radio report is out, and you don't have a prayer.

My longest pursuit was probably about 3-4 minutes. Maybe less.

It helps to know what type of cop you are running from. If you're running from a cop from say, the Town of "Haithar", you want to run toward the closest border of "Haithar". This reduces the chances that you will run into another cop from the same area.

Gaaaaaaaw STAY THE FUCK OUTTA MY WAY!

Gaaaaaaaw STAY THE FUCK OUTTA MY WAY!
Hoodlum.

No, I understand well enough, but your just a pompous dick.

Excessive speed=bad driving automatically. There are other drivers, and some random going over twice as fast as everyone else can fuck shit up. Say someone cuts you off, and you use you super awesome driving skills(:rolleyes:) and that 20% of your cars potential to avoid him and oncoming traffic, who's to say all the other drivers involved won't be uber 1337 drivers like yourself?

Oh and we don't get any snow here at all:rolleyes: Though I'll agree with nokians. The WRs ,while not a high performance tire by any means, did well the year I drove on them, and were a pretty good deal only needing one set of tires. Mind you my idea of driving for the conditions is much slower than yours...

I think hang shit on seph for being a girl who likes japanese cars is the official gearheads passtime.

Also was totse down for like three days?

I've spent this time watching two seasons of the west wing so far. Thats like a solid 32 hours of television. I feel a little itll.

I think hang shit on seph for being a girl who likes japanese cars is the official gearheads passtime.

Also was totse down for like three days?

I've spent this time watching two seasons of the west wing so far. Thats like a solid 32 hours of television. I feel a little itll.

No it wasn't - if it happens again, try connecting through a proxy/email me.

There are a fair few people who have occasional connection issues for a few days at a time, so I can ask for a hand on your behalf if it happens again.

No it wasn't - if it happens again, try connecting through a proxy/email me.

There are a fair few people who have occasional connection issues for a few days at a time, so I can ask for a hand on your behalf if it happens again.

Cheers, though funnily enough I tend to get most productive things done during my "downtime"

I think hang shit on seph for being a girl who likes japanese cars is the official gearheads passtime.

It doesn't help that I have a bad attitude and I talk shit a lot, but what's with that?

It doesn't help that I have a bad attitude and I talk shit a lot, but what's with that?

See, even you're doing it!

See, even you're doing it!

Lol admitting you have a problem is the first step.

-(got this one from a friend) If you're really serious about running from the police, wire a switch to one of your brake lights. When you get some distance between you and the cop, make a turn and hit the switch. The cop will come around the corner, see 1 brake light, and assume it's not you. This only works at night and if you don't have a stupidly identifiable car.



Why not just turn your lights off? It seems like it would be much simpler...

Why not just turn your lights off? It seems like it would be much simpler...

Then the cop can go "Look, he's running with no lights! He's definitely guilty."

Then the cop can go "Look, he's running with no lights! He's definitely guilty."

Maybe it's different where you live, but where I am it's very easy to lose a cop if you turn your lights off and use the engine to brake (because using the pedal lights up the braking lights). I've done it quite a few times, from being suspcious of cops on me to actually having cops after you.

Hit the lights and then hit the gas, weave through a couple house /side streets and until you've lost them for a second then pull in against straight away and park your car ASAP (under a tree is best).

Then just walk off. That's all pretty much what Seph said, too.

Where I'm at streetlights are really only used on the freeways.

I once saw an interview with a policeman where he said that most of the time, police are not out looking to write tickets, rather looking for major violations.

Like anything in life, it is dependent on the person.

I once had State Trooper do a 180 to write a ticket to me for no seat belt.

I've also had a city policeman let me off at 20 miles over.

We hardly ever see State Troopers inside the city limits because we have a local police force.

There is this one, trooper, however that patrols one of the major throughways of the city, and you all of the time see him with some one pulled over on the side of the road.

I know that they have a job to do, but in my opinion, that borders on harassment.

This all goes back to the person that you are dealing with factor.

I once had a Trooper shake his finger at me and smile when he pulled up beside me and I was not wearing a seat belt.

I don't 'get' why you wouldn't wear a seatblet in the first place though. What the fuck is the point of not wearing a seatbelt?

I can understand if you're delivering something every two houses and have to keep getting out of the car, or are laying down fence posts, but for those driving around, especially at appreciable speed through town, choosing to not wear a seatbelt is just retarded.

I don't 'get' why you wouldn't wear a seatblet in the first place though. What the fuck is the point of not wearing a seatbelt?

I can understand if you're delivering something every two houses and have to keep getting out of the car, or are laying down fence posts, but for those driving around, especially at appreciable speed through town, choosing to not wear a seatbelt is just retarded.

Agreed, man. It's just fucking stupid.