Ok this is what I think happened.

Flight 93 was shot down obviously. Debris fields over several miles, plane is nowhere to be found, no fires from jet fuel, ect...

Some fast acting military commanders managed to see through all of the phantom planes, and military inputs, and various other Wargames and called it like it was and decided to bring it down. But the people who set up 9/11 promptly made up a cover story "citizens overpower terrorists and tragically die".

They couldn't have the public know that the plane was shot down because that would force the public to ask why? Why could we respond to this plane but not the others? Then when they found out why we couldn't (radar inputs, war games), they would start to ask why again. Why were there so many similar exercises going on at the same time? and then because they questioned that part of the "official" story they would question the rest of the parts and then the whole master plan would unravel before their very eyes.

Well that's my theory anyway. Input?

Good. If this is true, then many, many lives were saved. Better to have everybody on the plane die rather than everybody on the plane, plus all the extra people killed in the WTC. It's a possibility, but it's pretty tough to know for sure... Only time will tell, I guess.

Sounds like a reasonable theory. Especially, when you consider that 93 was the last of the four crashes. "Oh, that's just a drill", isn't as believable when you've already had three hijacked planes crashed in Kamikaze attacks.

I don't know much about this but I just looked it up on wikipedia (which I know isn't 100% reliable) and it says... "The remains of everyone on board the aircraft were later identified." Wouldn't this mean they found it? As I say I don't know [anything] about this but just thought I would add this.

The events of 9/11 were an elaborate scheme for the United States military to have a reasonable excuse to send troops into the Middle East. The masterminds of 9/11 knew that they were going to have to hit America right where it hurt - in their homeland. The loss of people were seen as negligible, but fundamental to the effectiveness of the operation.

That's that. Flight 93 was simply an expendable resource.

The events of 9/11 were an elaborate scheme for the United States military...

This is where I stopped, facepalmed, and then pressed the quote button.

I thought it crashed, not shot down.

There was a Kiwi on board, he, with the others, decided to make a attempt to take the control cabin back over.

I think that once they got there, control was lost over the plane, & it crashed.
I think they also knew by then about the other planes & that they were being crashed into the towers etc.
That by taking over the cabin they could stop a bigger attack by the plane, even if they lost their lives doing it.

But thats what I would expect a Kiwi to do in that situation though....
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On a conspiracy note...
If the planes were being remote controlled, & the passengers got up to the control cabin, & found it empty, they would crash the plane before the word got out.

They probably just thought "fuck it"

Then one of the control cables for the elevators snapped, and wammo, into the ground it goes.

Well for those of you who don't know much about Flight 93 here's some facts

-it was the last plane to crash

-no human remains were found on the site (quote from the coroner Wally Miller "I stopped being coroner after 10 minutes there were no bodies" and he stated "to this say I have not seen a single drop of blood, not a drop") Of course they state that they have "recovered" the bodies, but I guess they just won't show us....

-The plane was in pieces (by pieces I mean 99.9% of plane was in chunks smaller than a suitcase) over an 8 mile radius. This was filmed by Fox (look it up), but strangely footage was never seen on t.v. again

-The crater where the plane landed had no plane in it. Ever single witness (literally, every single one) and News Corp. would state how little wreckage there was.

-There were no fires. Personally I find this rather strange considering how every other plane loosed an enormous fireball on impact.

-The gov. says they have recovered 95% of the plane and they will not release photos (personally I don't doubt this, but the reason they will not release the photos is because you can see the plane in itty bitty pieces)

I thought it crashed, not shot down.


Well they said it crashed, but there was no plane to verify that it "crashed".

This is where I stopped, facepalmed, and then pressed the quote button.

Prove me wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkivdEGph9A

Prove me wrong.

Prove yourself right. It can't be proved either way at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkivdEGph9A

I don't doubt 95% of the plane was found. It was found it little pieces though, suggesting it was blown up. Why else will they not show us the plane?

I don't doubt 95% of the plane was found. It was found it little pieces though, suggesting it was blown up. Why else will they not show us the plane?

ever think that when a plane full of fuel hits the ground it might explode?

Theory /failed

ever think that when a plane full of fuel hits the ground it might explode?

Theory /failed

Explode? Where was the fire and scorch marks? Hell, where was the plane? Ever think when a plane hits the ground it doesn't magically disappear?

Kbasa/epic phail

Explode? Where was the fire and scorch marks? Hell, where was the plane? Ever think when a plane hits the ground it doesn't magically disappear?

Kbasa/epic phail


Really, I see plenty of burn marks and debris, you just admitted that you have no doubt that 95% of the plane was found in small chunks.

Fuck it, here's a whole website full of photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

so tell me, if it was shot down where are the bodies if you claim the bodies disappeared?

I really don't think you're in any position to claim what would happen to a plane which hits the ground at an 80 degree angle at highspeed.

Prove yourself right. It can't be proved either way at the moment.

And yet you've already ruled out the possibility of United States military involvement.

Really, I see plenty of burn marks and debris, you just admitted that you have no doubt that 95% of the plane was found in small chunks.

Fuck it, here's a whole website full of photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

so tell me, if it was shot down where are the bodies if you claim the bodies disappeared?

I really don't think you're in any position to claim what would happen to a plane which hits the ground at an 80 degree angle at highspeed.

Those pictures don't look much of anything.
Granted, I can't imagine there would be much of anything left from the crash anyway, but that honestly just looks like any old pile of rubble with a few officials standing around it - to make it look "official", obviously. Bullshit. I don't believe it. Especially since this (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/CeeCeeLyles.jpg/CeeCeeLyles-full;init:.jpg) was found, which completely makes sense, considering the rest of the steel-bodied plane was practically vaporized.

By the way, Question Authority, where do you live in Virginia?

Really, I see plenty of burn marks and debris, you just admitted that you have no doubt that 95% of the plane was found in small chunks.

Fuck it, here's a whole website full of photos.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

so tell me, if it was shot down where are the bodies if you claim the bodies disappeared?

I really don't think you're in any position to claim what would happen to a plane which hits the ground at an 80 degree angle at highspeed.

Umm no burn marks?
A couple of singed trees and a smoking crater that's about it.

I would imagine all the jet fuel would cause some pretty massive forest fires to erupt, and at the very least all of that dry grass to burn.

Look at some plane crash photos yourself.

Usually when a plane hits the ground it doesn't keep on going to the center of the Earth

Those pictures don't look much of anything.
Granted, I can't imagine there would be much of anything left from the crash anyway, but that honestly just looks like any old pile of rubble with a few officials standing around it - to make it look "official", obviously. Bullshit. I don't believe it. Especially since this was found, which completely makes sense, considering the rest of the steel-bodied plane was practically vaporized.

By the way, Question Authority, where do you live in Virginia?

Exactly. They look like nothing.

Good point how could simple paper and plastic survive if bodies and several tons of metal not?

I don't know much about this but I just looked it up on wikipedia (which I know isn't 100% reliable) and it says... "The remains of everyone on board the aircraft were later identified." Wouldn't this mean they found it? As I say I don't know [anything] about this but just thought I would add this.

Keep in mind that its been proven that American Airlines has been caught editing the wikipedia page of flight 93 along with CIA. they traced the IP address of the person who edited it. Im not saying dont listen to what it says, but keep it in mind.

I think the Passport of one or more of the terrorists magically fell out of the plane on flight 93 to.

My favorite part is that 5 guys with plastic box cutters overpowered 90 ppl on the plane lol. Like im srry but thats just utter bullshit. Id take my fuckin laptop and knockout one of them fuckin dooncoons. 93 is just to perfect a story, the passengers overpowering the "hijackers" would have happened on all the flights if they were actully hijacked by terrorists with plastic box cutters.

And dont forget Donald Rumsfeld or Colin Powell(i forget now) said flight 93 was shot down, youtube it if you dont believe me.

By the way, Question Authority, where do you live in Virginia?

Oops sorry screwed up that quote Death Insurance -_-

Umm I live in Harrisonburg, VA. It's in the Shenandoah Valley about 45 minutes from Charlottesville.

Keep in mind that its been proven that American Airlines has been caught editing the wikipedia page of flight 93 along with CIA. they traced the IP address of the person who edited it. Im not saying dont listen to what it says, but keep it in mind.

I think the Passport of one or more of the terrorists magically fell out of the plane on flight 93 to.

My favorite part is that 5 guys with plastic box cutters overpowered 90 ppl on the plane lol. Like im srry but thats just utter bullshit. Id take my fuckin laptop and knockout one of them fuckin dooncoons. 93 is just to perfect a story, the passengers overpowering the "hijackers" would have happened on all the flights if they were actully hijacked by terrorists with plastic box cutters.

And dont forget Donald Rumsfeld or Colin Powell(i forget now) said flight 93 was shot down, youtube it if you dont believe me.

O yes wikipedia is a very valuable tool but also a propaganda machine for corporations and government.

The passport magically fell out of one of the planes that flew into the WTC. I don't get it. So it flies out of a plane going 500mph, out of a building, out of a raging jet fuel inferno, and then into the middle of Manhattan and is able to be read? *Sniff* I smell bullshit!

Yup that's the government. "They hijacked our planes with exact-o knives and sporks and we couldn't do a thing to stop them!"

I didn't hear about that you think you could find me the link?

... Especially since this (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/CeeCeeLyles.jpg/CeeCeeLyles-full;init:.jpg) was found, which completely makes sense, considering the rest of the steel-bodied plane was practically vaporized...

Hm, Mariot... you know there was a Mariot across the street from the WTC. I know because I've been there.

Not saying this affects what REALLY happened, just interesting.

Umm I live in Harrisonburg, VA. It's in the Shenandoah Valley about 45 minutes from Charlottesville.
Oh, never mind. I live in Chesapeake.


Hm, Mariot... you know there was a Mariot across the street from the WTC. I know because I've been there.

Not saying this affects what REALLY happened, just interesting.

To be honest, I don't think that really does relate to the evidence. In a city such as New York City, considering its girth and abundance of traveling people, hotels are bound to be on just about every corner. Still, nice observation.

Anyways, I've got this.


http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/237_new_baltimore_debris_2050081722-12682.jpg

Despite the apparent lack of plane wreckage and human remains at the Flight 93 crash site (see (After 10:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001)(see 10:45 a.m. September 11, 2001), a large amount of paper debris is found there, mostly intact.

Faye Hahn, an EMT who responds to the initial call for help, finds “pieces of mail” everywhere. [McCall, 2002, pp. 31-32]

Roger Bailey of the Somerset Volunteer Fire Department finds mail “scattered everywhere” around the site. He says, “I guess there were 5,000 pounds of mail on board.” [Kashurba, 2002, pp. 38] Some envelopes are burned, but others are undamaged. Flight 93 had reportedly been carrying a cargo of thousands of pounds of US mail. [Longman, 2002, pp. 213-214] Whether this is later examined as crime scene evidence is unclear: According to Bailey, over subsequent days, whenever a lot of this mail has been recovered, the post office will be called and a truck will come to take it away. Several of the first responders at the crash site also see an unscorched bible lying open on the ground, about 15 yards from the crash crater. [Kashurba, 2002, pp. 43, 110 and 129; Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 6/13/2006]

Local coroner Wallace Miller will later come across a second bible at the warehouse where the Flight 93 victims’ belongings are kept. [Washington Post, 5/12/2002]

Other paper debris rains down on the nearby Indian Lake Marina (see (Before 10:06 a.m.) September 11, 2001). According to witness Tom Spinelli, this is “mainly mail,” and also includes “bits of in-flight magazine.” [Mirror, 9/12/2002] Other paper items will be recovered from the crash site in the following days. These include a fragment of Ziad Jarrah’s passport and a business card linking al-Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui to the 9/11 hijackers. [CNN, 8/1/2002; Washington Post, 9/25/2002]

Source (http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?day_of_9/11=complete_911_timeline_shanksville__pennsylvania&timeline=complete_911_timeline).

You might note that on the page I posted, you can see an article talking about the lack of debris from the wreckage. Zing!

Death Insurance:

Yea that's pretty far from where I live, but I did go to Chincoteage and Assateage Islands this summer they were awesome.

But yea, good stuff there.

Flight 93 was always the most puzzling of the planes.

Where was it going? What brought it down? Where is the plane (in the crater)? Why is there no plane and yet unscorched debris? ect...

I didn't hear about that you think you could find me the link?


here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

Ohh wow, Jesus even the government can't keep the lies strait...

Thanks a lot droppinds :D I'm going to have to use that in the future

Its a going hypothesis...Not a theory.

Anyway, I would prefer 93 to have been shot down. Nothing wrong with that. All the government did by saying that the passengers brought it down was a national rallying cry. But then again, we'll never know what actually happened on that flight...now will we?

The events of 9/11 were an elaborate scheme for the United States military to have a reasonable excuse to send troops into the Middle East. The masterminds of 9/11 knew that they were going to have to hit America right where it hurt - in their homeland. The loss of people were seen as negligible, but fundamental to the effectiveness of the operation.

That's that. Flight 93 was simply an expendable resource.

this.

Its a going hypothesis...Not a theory.

Anyway, I would prefer 93 to have been shot down. Nothing wrong with that. All the government did by saying that the passengers brought it down was a national rallying cry. But then again, we'll never know what actually happened on that flight...now will we?

Rallying cry to bring more support for War, and it also doubled as covering up what really happened.

All truth is revealed in time...

Rallying cry to bring more support for War, and it also doubled as covering up what really happened.

All truth is revealed in time...

ok...yea. War. it covers up what you think happened

ok...yea. War. it covers up what you think happened

Either way Flight 93 only helped support for the war.

To give you an example the Democrats and Republicans have never been more united than in their vote to go to war. Sure a few people thought rationally, but they were a very very small minority.

9/11 was just the catalyst for a greater plan for a NWO.

Mark my words, war is coming. Already Obama has not carried through with his plan. He said 18 months we would be out, but now it's 2011. Now we just need to start a war in that time....

Either way Flight 93 only helped support for the war.

To give you an example the Democrats and Republicans have never been more united than in their vote to go to war. Sure a few people thought rationally, but they were a very very small minority.

9/11 was just the catalyst for a greater plan for a NWO.

Mark my words, war is coming. Already Obama has not carried through with his plan. He said 18 months we would be out, but now it's 2011. Now we just need to start a war in that time....

never before?? I'm pretty sure there was that even known as "Pearl Harbor" that pretty damn well united the country as well.

and what's wrong with a New World Order? All it is a rearranging of world powers. Such as what happened after WW2 or after the disintegration of the USSR. (ww2 United States became a superpower..Disintegration of USSR-US becomes sole superpower aka hyperpower) Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing the US go back to pre-ww2 status, it would be good for us. We wouldnt be spending billions of dollars in keeping millions of troops stationed around the world.

With the way its going, we'll be out by (or at least out of Iraqi cities and patrols) the end of this year..seeing as the Iraqis have yet to sign the pact, and the UN wont extend the Mandate (which, I agree, is a good thing)

The whole plan was to withdraw by 2011, obama only said "18 months" because he was catering to anti-war liberals. To withdraw from a country, any country, with as many troops as we have in Iraq right now (130k troops with 65 ton abrahms tanks, Bradley fighting Vehicles, blackhaws, etc, etc) would take longer than 18 months...unless, of course, we left our heavy armor behind. Which we wouldnt do because they are so fucking expensive.

PS: War is already here, IE Iraq has been going on for 5 years. Afghanistan for 7 years and Hamid Karzai is already calling for US/NATO forces to withdraw from the country.

never before?? I'm pretty sure there was that even known as "Pearl Harbor" that pretty damn well united the country as well.

and what's wrong with a New World Order? All it is a rearranging of world powers. Such as what happened after WW2 or after the disintegration of the USSR. (ww2 United States became a superpower..Disintegration of USSR-US becomes sole superpower aka hyperpower) Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing the US go back to pre-ww2 status, it would be good for us. We wouldnt be spending billions of dollars in keeping millions of troops stationed around the world.

With the way its going, we'll be out by (or at least out of Iraqi cities and patrols) the end of this year..seeing as the Iraqis have yet to sign the pact, and the UN wont extend the Mandate (which, I agree, is a good thing)

The whole plan was to withdraw by 2011, obama only said "18 months" because he was catering to anti-war liberals. To withdraw from a country, any country, with as many troops as we have in Iraq right now (130k troops with 65 ton abrahms tanks, Bradley fighting Vehicles, blackhaws, etc, etc) would take longer than 18 months...unless, of course, we left our heavy armor behind. Which we wouldnt do because they are so fucking expensive.

PS: War is already here, IE Iraq has been going on for 5 years. Afghanistan for 7 years and Hamid Karzai is already calling for US/NATO forces to withdraw from the country.

So did the Gulf of Tonkin incident that launched us into the Vietnam War, and as we all know that was a complete fabrication.

Pearl Harbor was instigated and welcomed by the U.S. government. We had just come out of the depression and nothing spells business like war. The U.S. cut trade with Japan and did various other things to force them to attack, the Australian Navy also warned the U.S. that a Japanese fleet was moving toward them days before the attack of course the U.S. ignored it.

WHAT? The NWO is an absolutely horrible thing for 99.99999% of the peoples of this world. It is not simply a rearranging of world powers it is a fusion of all of them. All just Constitutions will be burned and replaced with fascist ones. We will have no more rights simply for our "safety".

The UN has no real power, we'll find some way to keep troops in the Middle East, whether it be by more fake terrorist attacks, or the engineering of the collapse of the Iraqi government, war with Iran, we'll find someway.

So did the Gulf of Tonkin incident that launched us into the Vietnam War, and as we all know that was a complete fabrication.

Pearl Harbor was instigated and welcomed by the U.S. government. We had just come out of the depression and nothing spells business like war. The U.S. cut trade with Japan and did various other things to force them to attack, the Australian Navy also warned the U.S. that a Japanese fleet was moving toward them days before the attack of course the U.S. ignored it.

WHAT? The NWO is an absolutely horrible thing for 99.99999% of the peoples of this world. It is not simply a rearranging of world powers it is a fusion of all of them. All just Constitutions will be burned and replaced with fascist ones. We will have no more rights simply for our "safety".

The UN has no real power, we'll find some way to keep troops in the Middle East, whether it be by more fake terrorist attacks, or the engineering of the collapse of the Iraqi government, war with Iran, we'll find someway.


I agree w/ Tonkin. But w/ pearl, not so much. Why would we continue to give the Japs oil if they weren't doing what we wanted them to do?

When you say a New World Order, that's different than World Government. NWO is a rearranging of world powers. World Government is bad..I agree there. but a shifting of global power (IE China replacing the US as superpower isnt necesarily a bad thing)

Considering that under international law the rest of the world could deckare war on our sorry asses. yes it does. Did you forget that the Russians have a fleet in Venezuela? A mere THREE days sail from us? or better yet, the Iraqi Government SANCTIONING attacks on Americans?1


Furthermore, as far as pearl is concerned, please describe your sources. I know we embargoed oil, but the Aussies? Please they were too busy dealing with the Japs.

The government didn't give them oil the oil companies gave them oil, and as we all know the oil companies can do whatever the hell they want. For instance I'm sure you know about the U.S. Standard Oil and Co. gave fuel to the Nazis which they used to attack us. Every modern war has been started and sustained by the real powers that be.

The NWO means a World Government in this sense. Just look at the Unions that are taking place. The EU and African Union, the Asian Union is well on its way, and the South American Union already exists on paper. It's only a matter of time until the American Union is created, and only a matter of time before the Unions start to destroy (as they already are doing) the supposed "inalienable"rights of there people.

War is the catalyst for the NWO, once war starts new measures, once thought to be unacceptable, will be put into place for our "safety" (the beginning of this being the Patriot Act). All war started, no matter the sides in it, will be planned and steered for the greater purpose.

Here there's plenty of sources, but this should explain everything to you.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/pearlharbor.htm

"...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..." ARMY BOARD, 1944.

Just Google for more. There's a great video on Youtube explaining how WW1, WW2, and Vietnam were started intentionally, along with the greatest scam of all time (Income tax and the Federal Reserve) I can give you the link if you want, it's a very good movie.

The government didn't give them oil the oil companies gave them oil, and as we all know the oil companies can do whatever the hell they want. For instance I'm sure you know about the U.S. Standard Oil and Co. gave fuel to the Nazis which they used to attack us. Every modern war has been started and sustained by the real powers that be.

The NWO means a World Government in this sense. Just look at the Unions that are taking place. The EU and African Union, the Asian Union is well on its way, and the South American Union already exists on paper. It's only a matter of time until the American Union is created, and only a matter of time before the Unions start to destroy (as they already are doing) the supposed "inalienable"rights of there people.

War is the catalyst for the NWO, once war starts new measures, once thought to be unacceptable, will be put into place for our "safety" (the beginning of this being the Patriot Act). All war started, no matter the sides in it, will be planned and steered for the greater purpose.

Here there's plenty of sources, but this should explain everything to you.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/pearlharbor.htm

"...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..." ARMY BOARD, 1944.

Just Google for more. There's a great video on Youtube explaining how WW1, WW2, and Vietnam were started intentionally, along with the greatest scam of all time (Income tax and the Federal Reserve) I can give you the link if you want, it's a very good movie.

if you're talking about zeitgeist, I'll pass I watched both of those POS movies.

at least you provided your definition

if you're talking about zeitgeist, I'll pass I watched both of those POS movies.

at least you provided your definition

Nahh not Zeitgeist

This is Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDmAX_wOeog
(Also ignore the title, it's just to draw views)

This is by far the best, most comprehensive movie on this subject I've seen yet. Really, very very interesting. It explains everything very well, from 9/11 to WW1-2 and Vietnam, it explains the Federal Reserve and what they're doing to this country. BEST MOVIE yet.

Also try
America: Freedom to Fascism, (made by Aaron Russo a hero of mine) also very good.

Nahh not Zeitgeist

This is Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDmAX_wOeog
(Also ignore the title, it's just to draw views)

This is by far the best, most comprehensive movie on this subject I've seen yet. Really, very very interesting. It explains everything very well, from 9/11 to WW1-2 and Vietnam, it explains the Federal Reserve and what they're doing to this country. BEST MOVIE yet.

Also try
America: Freedom to Fascism, (made by Aaron Russo a hero of mine) also very good.

Freedom to fascism is probably one of the best conspiracy movies I've seen (but I use that term lightly)