some very smart people are talking about how dmt could let us perceive other dimensions. this isn't hard to believe considering the consistency of dmt 'trips' from individual to individual, and how the trips parallel religious teachings. many times people come out of these 'trips' absolutely certain of other life in the universe. what do you guys think? research the man rick strassman. he isn't some drugged out wacko, he's a respected part of the scientific community, recognized by the government. your thoughts?

I have read that the Pineal gland has cells that are very similar to the rods and cones in the eye. The difference being that the cells don't seem to be intended to perceive light, but instead something else.

I think that DMT can have some effect on the Pineal gland like you mentioned but also does a lot of other things to other parts of the brain. Therefor whatever it is you are perceiving is somehow being overlaid with thoughts from other parts of your brain. Using DMT, or perhaps another substance in the future, you probably could see other frequencies with proper training. The brain the way it is right now just doesnt know how to react to the incoming information.

Dr. Strassman proposed that the pineal gland releases DMT into the buddy, and that it could be used as a trigger for higher dimensional beings to contact us. I can't remember if he postulated a reason behind these contacts either. I've only read "DMT: The Spirit Molecule", not his newer book.

His trials were interesting, and so were his theories, but I've decided to withhold judgment until I know more about him. Personally, I can believe that our pineal gland produces DMT, and that it is the root of the mystical experience. I don't know about contacting otherworldly entities, if anything I believe it's more likely that these "beings" are fundamental archetypes tucked deep away in our collective unconsciousness.

Having never used DMT, I can't say for sure. However, I've experienced entity contact on mushrooms and salvia divinorum, and through more standard mystical experience, and I've come to believe every time that there are no spirits, there are only facets of our subconscious and bundlings of energy personified by belief.

I do have an immense respect for Strassman and his experiments however, and look forward to reading his new book.

his reasoning was the consistency of certain elements on dmt 'trips' means that what is perceived isn't just a mental construction. like many people experience entities that you can interact with. the experiences are so detailed are other worldly that he figured past experiences and personal characteristics could not be the reason for what you see under it's influence. there is a lot surrounding the pineal and dmt that makes you kind of wonder what it's really all about. every religion praises the pine cone(a metaphor for the pineal gland, as it is shaped like a pine cone), the pineal is the geometric center of your brain, dmt is found in almost every ecosystem in some way. the stuff is way far out. this man is no joke...

At UNM, Dr. Strassman performed clinical research investigating the function of the pineal hormone melatonin in which his research group documented the first known role of melatonin in humans. He also began the first new US government approved and funded clinical research with psychedelic drugs in over twenty years. Before leaving the University in 1995, he attained the rank of tenured Associate Professor of Psychiatry, and received the UNM General Clinical Research Center's Research Scientist Award.

http://www.rickstrassman.com/bio.html

As to the gland being like an eye:

''Curiously, this gland is light sensitive and actually has a lens, cornea, and retina.''

Dr. Rick Strassman


''A recent hypothesis proposed by David Klein, head of Neuroendocrinology at the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD), suggests that the Pineal gland has primitive retinas, and that it exercised the dual function of both capturing the image and producing melatonin. He believes that over time this latter function had migrated to the pineal gland, an emancipated organ, while the degeneration of the retina as a product of melatonin in mammals continues without coherent explanation.''

David Klein

For thousands of years, the pineal gland was recognized as the human body’s connection to deeper realms of thought—a window into other dimensions. While this notion has faded with the passing of time, science has begun to focus its efforts toward understanding the secret functions of the “hidden eye.”

http://current.com/items/89366587/scientists_say_pineal_gland_is_an_eye.htm

I have no trouble perceivng/sensing other dimensions and stuff at will, but I have been doing this sort of stuff professionally for about twenty years, and on an amateur basis for another twenty-five.

All my own experiences with DMT and salvia have been strictly party-time stuff.

I have no trouble perceivng/sensing other dimensions and stuff at will, but I have been doing this sort of stuff professionally for about twenty years, and on an amateur basis for another twenty-five.

All my own experiences with DMT and salvia have been strictly party-time stuff.

Do you remember what you experienced the first time you looked into another reality?

like hey lets all get fucked up on dmt? i never really thought of it as that sort of thing

Liittle snippet of information, I beleive what is the pineal gland in humans also apears in a living fossil called a tuatara, and I can't quite remember but I think it perceives infrared or something, as a literal third eye hidden under the skin.

My question is the following:

For DMT to be released within the brain during death, or when the body is preparing for death, does this not mean that the process to release DMT is ingrained genetically within the human mind? How would the evolutionary development of this process be explained?

What does this mean? Does it mean magic? That would be fun.

Liittle snippet of information, I beleive what is the pineal gland in humans also apears in a living fossil called a tuatara, and I can't quite remember but I think it perceives infrared or something, as a literal third eye hidden under the skin.


i've heard of people living in pure darkness for 15 days and they start seeing infrared...pretty amazing, though i'm not about to be cooped up in the dark for 15 days to see if it holds water.


My question is the following:

For DMT to be released within the brain during death, or when the body is preparing for death, does this not mean that the process to release DMT is ingrained genetically within the human mind? How would the evolutionary development of this process be explained?

What does this mean? Does it mean magic? That would be fun.

they say it's released during times of high stress, not like puberty which occures because of a genetic thing. how would the evoltuionary process of anything be explained? as far as i know the evoution of most creatures on earth is a theory and not a fact because it isn't something observable. take an anthropology course and see how much these researches actually know about our lineage...heres a hint; just about nothing.

what it means is that with default neurochemisty your mind percieves your normal reality. when you dump some dmt on the sites that usually pick up seritonin, your looking at something thats always there-just not always percieved. thats my opinion. since our reality is actually just product of a chemical(seritonin) who is to say what you see on dmt isn't just a way to 'pick up' (think radio) another reality....

Salvia and DMT are NOT party drugs, DMT your completely gone from where your body is, and salvia would be amazingly TERRIFYING in a party, it's already terrifying as it is, unless your meditating while on it.

(I'm talking about taking two bong rips of a full bowl of 80x salvia.)

^ not at all. though i don't like salvia, it doesn't have the clean feeling dmt does

You don't think salvia at 80x out of a bong isn't terrifying? I litterly became an object while on it and my entire existence was erased. I had no memory of what I was before, and solely believed more then anything else in my life that I was that object and that was the entire existence. Salvia is almost one of the MOST intense drugs I've ever done. It's as if it takes you, throws your brain against a wall, smears you all over, shoves you under a couch, then spins you around the world faster then light, then makes you a rock on the ground for 10 years, then puts you back into human form and back to normal completely all within 15 minutes leaving you sitting there going holy fucking shit wtf just happened?... Is that memory even mine??? And you just laugh at it because it's just that intense, insane, amazing, terrifying, impossible, and just happened a few minutes ago.

I think he was say it is "not at all [a party drug]"

My question is the following:

For DMT to be released within the brain during death, or when the body is preparing for death, does this not mean that the process to release DMT is ingrained genetically within the human mind? How would the evolutionary development of this process be explained?

What does this mean? Does it mean magic? That would be fun.

Yes it would mean that.

Why it is there is what the whole topic is about. No one knows.


If all is well....true...then it's our tie to all things "higher". Our way of becoming altered, naturally, in order to reconnect to the very far away reality of real existence we left when we become embodied.

You don't think salvia at 80x out of a bong isn't terrifying? I litterly became an object while on it and my entire existence was erased. I had no memory of what I was before, and solely believed more then anything else in my life that I was that object and that was the entire existence. Salvia is almost one of the MOST intense drugs I've ever done. It's as if it takes you, throws your brain against a wall, smears you all over, shoves you under a couch, then spins you around the world faster then light, then makes you a rock on the ground for 10 years, then puts you back into human form and back to normal completely all within 15 minutes leaving you sitting there going holy fucking shit wtf just happened?... Is that memory even mine??? And you just laugh at it because it's just that intense, insane, amazing, terrifying, impossible, and just happened a few minutes ago.

i'm saying it is a not something to be taken lightly, and i don't think it is something to be taken period. i feel sort of out of it after salvia. after dmt my mind is clear, the only difference is the utter fucking awe.

I have no trouble perceivng/sensing other dimensions and stuff at will, but I have been doing this sort of stuff professionally for about twenty years, and on an amateur basis for another twenty-five.

And people with split personality disorder have no problem talking to people that aren't there, some have been doing it professionally for 20 years.

Joking aside, I've read The Spirit Molecule. Strassman did a great job convincing me that alien abductions and near death experiences are simply the body releasing large amounts of DMT for no reason at all it seems. It's implied in the book that DMT might be released by the brain due to intensely stressful situations which is the best guess I'd say seeing as how we know DMT is found throughout the human body but we're clueless as to what it's really there for.

It's interesting to see that despite country, culture, religious and philosophical beliefs that people have such similar experiences but I do not believe that this is solid proof of other dimensions and entities from within those dimensions trying to contact us, I'm sorry Mulder but I'm pulling a Scully here.

What I truly dislike about these kind of books is they always start out trying to wow you with insane implications which I think is a huge discredit to their hard work and research. Show me the evidence first and I'll conclude what I want to conclude about the information you've gathered, don't plant those kind of seeds at the beginning because most people will allow those seeds to grow into a tree of bullshit.

i suggest you try some dmt before you go around jumping to conclusions

i suggest you try some dmt before you go around jumping to conclusions

This.

I have no trouble perceivng/sensing other dimensions and stuff at will, but I have been doing this sort of stuff professionally for about twenty years, and on an amateur basis for another twenty-five.


What exactly do you mean? How do you perceive / sense other dimensions?

You mean you can actually see them? What do they look like?

Or do you mean you sense them in another way...?

Have you trained yourself to "observe" them or is it an innate ability?

Woah - that's a lot of questions! apologies - but you've piqued my curiousity!

IMO other dimensions are simply wave lengths we cannot 'pick up' . the waves we pick up with our eyes and ears and just a tiny portion of the known spectrum. i could be totally wrong thoug.

DMT doesn't seem to be very bad for people, how can i get some if i wanted?

b;10779785']DMT doesn't seem to be very bad for people, how can i get some if i wanted?

From your friendly neighbourhood drug dealer!

And I would suggest that it is rather dangerous, and should be treated with an appropriate amount of respect...

^ you're mistaken. in fact the rick strassman suggests dmt has healing qualities. you can eat your weights worth in mushrooms and not od, your body has the enzymes to break tryptamines down very fast. i hate it when people talk about shit they don't know anything about...

I am rather tempted to try it, but i dont like breaking laws :(

^ you're mistaken. in fact the rick strassman suggests dmt has healing qualities. you can eat your weights worth in mushrooms and not od, your body has the enzymes to break tryptamines down very fast. i hate it when people talk about shit they don't know anything about...


Well if one person you don't know says something, then it must be true! ;)


I didn't actually mean physically damaging...

FYI, just because your body can "break something down", doesn't mean it's physiologically "safe" - your body can "break down" benzene, methyl iodide, dioxin, cyanide...

as far as i know a shit load of people have died from the things you listed. no one has ever died from dmt

as far as i know a shit load of people have died from the things you listed. no one has ever died from dmt


Again, I didn't actually mean physically damaging. I was simply pointing out some flaws in your logic.

well if you research strassman's work, religion, philosophy, and try dmt- you won't need to ask me anymore. in fact in the passed 6 months, study of these topics, plus some other sciences has helped me find god. i have never had religion put on, neither by fam or peers. all of my faith was in science. but now that i pretty much know just how little we as a people know, believing in science seems ludicrous. also the ways in which religion and science parallel each other in very subtle, untalked about ways is amazing. thats what it seems to me anyway..

believing in science seems ludicrous.


I was gonna leave this as I really don't want to get drawn in any further - originally I was asking a question of someone else, who made a rather intrguing point in such a throw-away manner I felt very drawn to ask.


Developing your own worldview is fine, commendable and unavoidable really, and by doing this you will necessarily contradict others...

But... This statement really baffles me! You don't believe in science, yet here you are, sitting on a chair, in front of a computer, posting things on an internet forum... You don't see the glaring contradiction there...?!

I'll make some assumptions here - I guess you're living in a 1st world country, surrounded by various creature comforts that are there only because of the development and application of science and technology. See, the great thing about science is, you don't have to believe in it for it to be true, and to touch your life in profound ways...

i'm not saying i don't believe in science. after all, i'm a science student. it would be crazy of me not to. i'm just saying i feel like too much emphasis it put on science and it doesn't hold all (or most) truths. the fact is we really don't know much and believing in one thing is no more wrong than believing in the other.

i'm not saying i don't believe in science. after all, i'm a science student. it would be crazy of me not to. i'm just saying i feel like too much emphasis it put on science and it doesn't hold all (or most) truths. the fact is we really don't know much and believing in one thing is no more wrong than believing in the other.


Well, that seems a fair point to me, though whether science does or does not hold "all the answers" depends, I guess, on what you consider those answers to involve.

From my viewpoint, science certainly has answers, and has its place in the grand schema, and the same can be said for spiritualism and philosophy.

At the end of the day, of course, "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

totally agree. furthermore, i don't think we're supposed to know anything.