View Full Version : Red Phos from MK153 SMAW (USMC rocket launcher) tracer rownds
determined
2008-11-23, 14:33
There is an anti armor rocket launcher system used by the Marines called the SMAW system that that uses a 9mm tracer round to "walk" the impact of the rocket on to your target. Does any one have imput on this trsacer round and the posibility of it having red phosphorous used as the "tracer" elementl in the back of the projectile for easy spotting?
The rownd comes in a a standard 7.62 mm (nato) casing with a 22 mm Winchwester primer crimped to the inside of the nato casing that houses the propellant to push a 9mm projectile out in "virtually" thet same flight path & pattern as its counterpart 83mm rocket. There is a tracer burning element on the back of the 9mm projectile to allow the gunner to identify where the 9mm tracer is impacting in relationship to his sights' alignent to his eye and relatioship to his target. This is because the 9mm tracer will take on the same flight path as the rocket asimmilating trajectory and distance. But DAMN IT I cant find this answer anywhere. Is it red p or not. I guess a person could mix the substance on the back of this said named tracer with Iodine crystals + watter and see if it reacts the same as red p would, but then again not knowing what the reaction will be can make one think.... ""Well whats the worst that can happen???"" and then the pucker effect hits.
Anny guidance on the subject?? I ask because this might not be a hard thing to obtain in large quantities with some witt
TheWhiteMan000
2008-11-23, 18:24
the biggest problem would be uncapping the shells in an o2 deprived environment, mineral oil would work but if any thing splashed you would be dealing with a hot flame that water wont extinguish
IIRC only white phosporous autoignites in the atmosphere.
Red phosporous is just ignited easily. Strike anywhere mathces and striker pads on normal matches have red phosporous in them.
FullMetalJacket
2008-11-24, 11:27
You find it too difficult to source RP, and assume you'll be able to source bulk, specialty use milspec ammunition?
stateofhack
2008-11-24, 15:58
You find it too difficult to source RP, and assume you'll be able to source bulk, specialty use milspec ammunition?
i loled :D
determined
2008-11-25, 02:02
Not tryng to source anything or any one I'm just looking for some guidance. I've looked elsewhere and fownd no answers. Please help.
Humbly submitted
determined
stateofhack
2008-11-25, 11:57
Not tryng to source anything or any one I'm just looking for some guidance. I've looked elsewhere and fownd no answers. Please help.
Humbly submitted
determined
Start gathering strikers buddy, but if you look hard enough, you can find places which sell RP:p
Eldorhan
2008-11-25, 12:27
Start gathering strikers buddy, but if you look hard enough, you can find places which sell RP:p
Distress flares for mah boatz ! Or....
378 Phosphorus from phosphoric acid 1 fa small quantity only be wanted for illustration it may be made of other substances ns undeJ Put phosphoric acid mixed with half its weight of charcoal into a green glass tube sealed at one end about a foot in length and half an inch in diameter Coat that part of the outside of the tube which is to be heated with a mixture of two parts of clay and one of sand previously mixed with cut thread or flax and bind the whole on with iron wire A retort coated in the same way ??? be used with equal convenience It is to be placed in a furnace as shown below and the beak of it made to dip under the surface of warm water in a bason When the retort is brought to a red heat phosphorus will distil over and fall into the water
379 Phosphorus from ivory black Wühler recommends to calcine ivory black which is a mixture of phosphate of lime and charcoal with fine quartz sand and a little more ordinary charcoal in cylinders of fire clay at a very high temperature each cylinder has a bent copper tube attached to it one branch of which descends into a vessel containing water
380 Phosphorus from urine Evaporate the uriné to dryness then expose it to a high temperature in the manner of the last experiment Phosphorus will at length pass over and may be collected in warm water The carbon of the animal matter decomposing the phosphoric acid which it contains
381 Second method Add a solution of nitrate of lead or nitrate of mercury to urine collect wash and dry the precipitate Mix it with one fourth its weight of charcoal and distil by a red heat as before The nitrate of mercury is to be preferred because it is more easily decomposed
382 From phosphate of soda Add to a solution of phosphate of soda a solution of acetate of lead phosphate of lead being thrown down and acetate of soda remaining in solution The precipitate is to be treated as in the last experiment
383 Ta purify phosphorus That obtained by the foregoing experiments is of a reddish color and impure To purify it tie it up in a piece of wash leather soak it in hot water and squeeze the bag with a wooden squeezer in the manner that lemons are squeezed letting the phosphorus which oozes out through the pores of the leather fall into the water It will now be pure and colorless
384 To cast phosphorus in sticks Procure a slightly tapering glass tube close one end with a cork and warm by immersion in hot water Dissolve the phosphorus in hot water contained in a basin with a spout to it when melted pour the liquid phosphorus water and all into the tube holding it over a vessel to catch what water or phosphorus may be spilled When congealed by gradual cooling the stick of phosphorus will usually fall out upon the cork being removed or if not it may be thrust out with an iron wire
385 To handle phosphorus This must always be done under the surface of cold water or if pieces are handled in the air great care must be taken that they do not arrive at a heat above 100 and particularly that no particle adheres to the hands or gets beneath the nails As the exact heat at which phosphorus inflames depends upon various causes a slight degree of friction like that of writing with it as in Ex 387 warming the hands at the fire contact with various bodies partial oxydation &c will very often occasion combustion and if the hands be not defended with gloves and the phosphorus not kept cool the most dreadful burns may be occasioned It must be kept in bottles filled with water
386 Slow combustion of Cut several thin slices of phosphorus dry them on bibulous paper moving them from place to place upon it but never touching them with the fingers and heap them loosely together in a little tow o cotton a slow combustion goes on which often increases till the phosphorus inflames but the result is affected so much by the currents in the air and upon the manner in which the small particles of phosphorus touch each other that it is impossible to predict the result
387 Phosphoric writing Insert a small piece of phosphorus into the end of a quill Holding the quill in the hand write upon a wall with the phosphorus the characters will in the dark appear luminous A bason of cold water must be at hand to quench the flame should the phosphorus become inflamed which it is very likely to do in consequence of the heat arising from the friction
388 Luminous steam Boil in a Florence flask a little water into which has been dropped two or three small pieces of phospnorus Part of it rises in vapor along with the steam and renders it luminous when it comes in contact with the air This phosphorescent steam is not capable of setting fire to inflammable substances Upon cooling the water will not be found to have imbibed any of the phosphorus
389 Luminosity of phosphorus destroyed by various vapors Heat some sulphuric ether in a spoon and as the luminous steam of the last experiment issues from the mouth of the flask suffer the vapor of the ether to mix with it luminosity will be immediately destroyed This will also be the case when it meets with the vapor of the oil of turpentine or the vapor of naphthaline
390 While luminous phosphoric characters are shining on a wall suffer the vapor of either of the above liquids er a very small proportion of olefiant gas to mix with the white fumes arising from the letters and the phosphorescence will at once cease also the vapor and gas may be in very minute quantity
391 Phosphorized ether Boil a grain of phosphorus in an ounce of sulphuric ether contained in a phial enough will be dissolved to render the ether luminous when exposed to the air Cork the phial and the phosphorescent appearance will cease to be renewed each time the phial is uncorked Phosphoric oil See Ex 80 and 81
392 Phosphorized alcohol Repeat Ex 391 with alcohol or with spirits of turpentine instead of with sulphuric ether and a sufficient quantity of phosphorus will be dissolved to render the fumes above the liquid luminous whenever the cork is withdrawn from the containing phial
393 To inflame phosphorus under water Put a few grains of phosphorus into an ale glass and pour boiling water over it till the glass is half filled then having a bladder full of oxygen ready project a small stream of the gas upon the phosphorus holding the pipe which is attached to the bladder and which should be of the form shown in the annexed cut close to the phosphorus
394 Change from combustion in the air When phosphorus is inflamed in atmospheric air a large quantity of f f a formed which may be collected by inclosing the phosphorus in a glass jar The fumes will then condense into masses like flakes of snow they are metaphosphoric acid Combustion in oxygen See Ex 219
395 Inclose a particle of phosphorus in a phial of oxygen put the stopper into the phial aud suffer it to remain undisturbed for some hours upon opening the phial no luminous fumes will arise unless the oxygen be heated to 80 Now mix with the oxygen in the phial a small quantity of either hydrogen nitrogen or carbonic acid and set it aside as before these substances dissolve a small portion of the phosphorus aud the gas becomes phosphorescent when the stopper is removed or in other words they allow of the slow combustion of the phosphorus whereas oxygen alone does not unless at more than 80 of temperature
396 Change of color in Suffer melted phosphorus to drop suddenly into very cold water or on to the surface of ice and it will instantly change to a black color
397 Decomposed by light Phosphorus exposed to light gradually becomes covered with a film of a red powdery substance which impairs its properties to prevent this it should be kept in opaque bottles
398 To obtain crystals of Make a saturated solution of phosphorus inhotnaphtha As this solution cools crystals of a regular dodecahedral form will be obtained They may be kept in the solution itself
399 Second method Fuse phosphorus with about half its weight of sulphur suffer this mixture to cool gradually and a part of the phosphorus separates in the state of crystals The fusion of the two substances must be conducted without contact with the air or combustion ensues and this so violent ?? not to be unattended with danger
400 Combustion by friction Take a minute piece of phosphorus on the end of a match rub it upon the surface of a cork or piece of wood The friction will inflame the phosphorus
401 Lay a thin slice of phosphorus on woollen lint feathers dry paper or other ad conductor of heat it will most frequently œcorne inflamed by the heat occasioned by ts own combustion particularly with the east friction It is also much more inflammable when dusted over with powdered charcoal or flowers of sulphur
402 Lucifer or Congreve matches These are a preparation of phosphorus and are best made in the following manner The strips of wood are first dipped in melted sulphur then afterwards the points of them touched made in the following.
stateofhack
2008-11-25, 14:03
Distress flares for mah boatz ! Or....
378 Phosphorus from phosphoric acid 1 fa small quantity only be wanted for illustration it may be made of other substances ns undeJ Put phosphoric acid mixed with half its weight of charcoal into a green glass tube sealed at one end about a foot in length and half an inch in diameter Coat that part of the outside of the tube which is to be heated with a mixture of two parts of clay and one of sand previously mixed with cut thread or flax and bind the whole on with iron wire A retort coated in the same way ??? be used with equal convenience It is to be placed in a furnace as shown below and the beak of it made to dip under the surface of warm water in a bason When the retort is brought to a red heat phosphorus will distil over and fall into the water
379 Phosphorus from ivory black Wühler recommends to calcine ivory black which is a mixture of phosphate of lime and charcoal with fine quartz sand and a little more ordinary charcoal in cylinders of fire clay at a very high temperature each cylinder has a bent copper tube attached to it one branch of which descends into a vessel containing water
380 Phosphorus from urine Evaporate the uriné to dryness then expose it to a high temperature in the manner of the last experiment Phosphorus will at length pass over and may be collected in warm water The carbon of the animal matter decomposing the phosphoric acid which it contains
381 Second method Add a solution of nitrate of lead or nitrate of mercury to urine collect wash and dry the precipitate Mix it with one fourth its weight of charcoal and distil by a red heat as before The nitrate of mercury is to be preferred because it is more easily decomposed
382 From phosphate of soda Add to a solution of phosphate of soda a solution of acetate of lead phosphate of lead being thrown down and acetate of soda remaining in solution The precipitate is to be treated as in the last experiment
383 Ta purify phosphorus That obtained by the foregoing experiments is of a reddish color and impure To purify it tie it up in a piece of wash leather soak it in hot water and squeeze the bag with a wooden squeezer in the manner that lemons are squeezed letting the phosphorus which oozes out through the pores of the leather fall into the water It will now be pure and colorless
384 To cast phosphorus in sticks Procure a slightly tapering glass tube close one end with a cork and warm by immersion in hot water Dissolve the phosphorus in hot water contained in a basin with a spout to it when melted pour the liquid phosphorus water and all into the tube holding it over a vessel to catch what water or phosphorus may be spilled When congealed by gradual cooling the stick of phosphorus will usually fall out upon the cork being removed or if not it may be thrust out with an iron wire
385 To handle phosphorus This must always be done under the surface of cold water or if pieces are handled in the air great care must be taken that they do not arrive at a heat above 100 and particularly that no particle adheres to the hands or gets beneath the nails As the exact heat at which phosphorus inflames depends upon various causes a slight degree of friction like that of writing with it as in Ex 387 warming the hands at the fire contact with various bodies partial oxydation &c will very often occasion combustion and if the hands be not defended with gloves and the phosphorus not kept cool the most dreadful burns may be occasioned It must be kept in bottles filled with water
386 Slow combustion of Cut several thin slices of phosphorus dry them on bibulous paper moving them from place to place upon it but never touching them with the fingers and heap them loosely together in a little tow o cotton a slow combustion goes on which often increases till the phosphorus inflames but the result is affected so much by the currents in the air and upon the manner in which the small particles of phosphorus touch each other that it is impossible to predict the result
387 Phosphoric writing Insert a small piece of phosphorus into the end of a quill Holding the quill in the hand write upon a wall with the phosphorus the characters will in the dark appear luminous A bason of cold water must be at hand to quench the flame should the phosphorus become inflamed which it is very likely to do in consequence of the heat arising from the friction
388 Luminous steam Boil in a Florence flask a little water into which has been dropped two or three small pieces of phospnorus Part of it rises in vapor along with the steam and renders it luminous when it comes in contact with the air This phosphorescent steam is not capable of setting fire to inflammable substances Upon cooling the water will not be found to have imbibed any of the phosphorus
389 Luminosity of phosphorus destroyed by various vapors Heat some sulphuric ether in a spoon and as the luminous steam of the last experiment issues from the mouth of the flask suffer the vapor of the ether to mix with it luminosity will be immediately destroyed This will also be the case when it meets with the vapor of the oil of turpentine or the vapor of naphthaline
390 While luminous phosphoric characters are shining on a wall suffer the vapor of either of the above liquids er a very small proportion of olefiant gas to mix with the white fumes arising from the letters and the phosphorescence will at once cease also the vapor and gas may be in very minute quantity
391 Phosphorized ether Boil a grain of phosphorus in an ounce of sulphuric ether contained in a phial enough will be dissolved to render the ether luminous when exposed to the air Cork the phial and the phosphorescent appearance will cease to be renewed each time the phial is uncorked Phosphoric oil See Ex 80 and 81
392 Phosphorized alcohol Repeat Ex 391 with alcohol or with spirits of turpentine instead of with sulphuric ether and a sufficient quantity of phosphorus will be dissolved to render the fumes above the liquid luminous whenever the cork is withdrawn from the containing phial
393 To inflame phosphorus under water Put a few grains of phosphorus into an ale glass and pour boiling water over it till the glass is half filled then having a bladder full of oxygen ready project a small stream of the gas upon the phosphorus holding the pipe which is attached to the bladder and which should be of the form shown in the annexed cut close to the phosphorus
394 Change from combustion in the air When phosphorus is inflamed in atmospheric air a large quantity of f f a formed which may be collected by inclosing the phosphorus in a glass jar The fumes will then condense into masses like flakes of snow they are metaphosphoric acid Combustion in oxygen See Ex 219
395 Inclose a particle of phosphorus in a phial of oxygen put the stopper into the phial aud suffer it to remain undisturbed for some hours upon opening the phial no luminous fumes will arise unless the oxygen be heated to 80 Now mix with the oxygen in the phial a small quantity of either hydrogen nitrogen or carbonic acid and set it aside as before these substances dissolve a small portion of the phosphorus aud the gas becomes phosphorescent when the stopper is removed or in other words they allow of the slow combustion of the phosphorus whereas oxygen alone does not unless at more than 80 of temperature
396 Change of color in Suffer melted phosphorus to drop suddenly into very cold water or on to the surface of ice and it will instantly change to a black color
397 Decomposed by light Phosphorus exposed to light gradually becomes covered with a film of a red powdery substance which impairs its properties to prevent this it should be kept in opaque bottles
398 To obtain crystals of Make a saturated solution of phosphorus inhotnaphtha As this solution cools crystals of a regular dodecahedral form will be obtained They may be kept in the solution itself
399 Second method Fuse phosphorus with about half its weight of sulphur suffer this mixture to cool gradually and a part of the phosphorus separates in the state of crystals The fusion of the two substances must be conducted without contact with the air or combustion ensues and this so violent ?? not to be unattended with danger
400 Combustion by friction Take a minute piece of phosphorus on the end of a match rub it upon the surface of a cork or piece of wood The friction will inflame the phosphorus
401 Lay a thin slice of phosphorus on woollen lint feathers dry paper or other ad conductor of heat it will most frequently œcorne inflamed by the heat occasioned by ts own combustion particularly with the east friction It is also much more inflammable when dusted over with powdered charcoal or flowers of sulphur
402 Lucifer or Congreve matches These are a preparation of phosphorus and are best made in the following manner The strips of wood are first dipped in melted sulphur then afterwards the points of them touched made in the following.
Clear up your copypasta, looks good but messy!
Tracers don't have fucking phosphorous, Its a fuel like Al and an oxidizer. The oxidizer is what makes it burn red.
determined
2008-11-25, 17:04
You are absolutelly right. SWIM just fownd that out myself. It turnes out that there are other stockpiles of RP in there arsenal, guess I'll have to take a look.
BTW has any one ever dreamed abouth the possibility of getting iodine crystals from water treatment iodine pills.
FullMetalJacket
2008-11-26, 06:09
Tracers don't have fucking phosphorous, Its a fuel like Al and an oxidizer. The oxidizer is what makes it burn red.
Dunno 'bout YOUR army, bu mine surely does use phossytailed rounds for tracers, everything from 5.56 to 25mm.
stateofhack
2008-11-26, 07:24
Dunno 'bout YOUR army, bu mine surely does use phossytailed rounds for tracers, everything from 5.56 to 25mm.
Same for italy and ze germans :cool:
Eldorhan
2008-11-26, 07:29
" ... In US and NATO standard ammunition, this is usually a mixture of strontium salts and a metal fuel such as magnesium. This yields a bright red light. Russian and Chinese tracer ammunition generates green light using barium salts. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition
Owned.
FullMetalJacket
2008-11-27, 06:02
Good thing I'm neither US nor NATO then.
Douche.
DiamondX
2008-11-27, 20:54
The rownd comes in a a standard 7.62 mm (nato) casing with a 22 mm Winchwester primer crimped to the inside of the nato casing that houses the propellant to push a 9mm projectile out in "virtually" thet same flight path & pattern as its counterpart 83mm rocket.
Good thing I'm neither US nor NATO then.
Douche.
I think he was talking to the OP...