Tonight, around 12:20, I tried for my first time, I was completely successful, EXCEPT, I quit- I got my astral body out except my legs, but I was too scared. I in-fact right now am in almost a state of shock from the experience, I never really thought I could just do that, only took me a few seconds too.

So let me get on with it, I have a few questions about why I quit and why I got scared, (one more breath and I would have fully left my body).

1. Can your physical body be hurt when you project?
2. If I need to wake up, how do I?
3. How the heck do you get back to your body, this is what I'm mostly concerned about, can your body reject you coming back in? What if I get locked out...?
4. While leaving your body, as you know, your heart rate accelerates really fast, can this damage your health? And on top of that, will your heart rate continue that fast while your gone? Doesn't seem too healthy...
5. What happens if someone shakes my body while I'm astral projecting?
6. What type of entities can I expect during astral projection? Will any hurt me?
7. If me and you (whoever responds) are both astral projecting at the same time, could I meet up with you in the astral plane?


Edit: Just so you know, because I know people astral project while asleep, I was wide away in case that is important for any reason? I wasn't trying to go to sleep either, just wanted to astral project and did, well, half way and you know the rest...

1. Can your physical body be hurt when you project?

As far as I know, nope. Unless someone sneaks in while you're out of your body and baseball bat's you, you should be fine.


2. If I need to wake up, how do I?

I think you can just think of it, or think of returning into your body. I did it once but I forget


3. How the heck do you get back to your body, this is what I'm mostly concerned about, can your body reject you coming back in? What if I get locked out...?

No you can't get rejected, you are connected a cord.
Did you see one? Some people don't.


4. While leaving your body, as you know, your heart rate accelerates really fast, can this damage your health? And on top of that, will your heart rate continue that fast while your gone? Doesn't seem too healthy...

This set me back at first. You should always be in *good* health before you attempt any of this stuff,
but-- from what I've read... that actually is your heart chakra going mad. If your heart rate is going too fast for you, it would be best if you tried "lucid dreaming" and going astral from there. Doing it from consciousness is VERY hard, and I failed so many times (out of at least 300-400 times I only got out once, and just barely).
Make sure you are hydrated.
Oh, and your heart is a very strong organ. Unless you have heart problems or get pain/palpatations (which usually is minor anyways, trust me youd KNOW if you have a heart problem... you couldn't walk up any stairs without needing a nice long rest)... you should be fine. Still exercise and drink tons of water *regardless*.

5. What happens if someone shakes my body while I'm astral projecting?

You will wake up!
It might not be good though, if someone sets off a firecracker in your room while you AP, that can shock your system. Best to do this with no one around.


6. What type of entities can I expect during astral projection? Will any hurt me?

You can meet light and dark ones. If you see angels or your spirit guide (if you ask for it), you should probably feel good about it.

KEY TEST: If you're unsure if it is a negative or positive entity, ask it to go away. If it doesn't, it is bad.
DO NOT MERGE WITH ANYTHING. That's dumb. I've heard you can...? Don't try, even if you can't do it... just don't try.
PS: Always ask for white light.

7. If me and you (whoever responds) are both astral projecting at the same time, could I meet up with you in the astral plane?

Never tried this, but sounds like a good experiment.


Edit: Just so you know, because I know people astral project while asleep, I was wide away in case that is important for any reason? I wasn't trying to go to sleep either, just wanted to astral project and did, well, half way and you know the rest...

That might have been, it could be due to fear. Astral projecting in sleep is so much nicer, plus if you go lucid... you can really have some good dreams.


PS: Note I'm not an expert on the subject, take my answers 'as is' since I really am just forwarding stuff I've read from other people.

Hopefully someone educated on this can answer it.

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Hey, thanks for responding, but with the heart rate thing, so that's your heart chakra? How can I tell the difference so I know not to be freaked out? I mean when I got back into my body my real heart was beating super fast because I was in shock
that I actually did that and that my "heart" was beating so fast before I left.

But I do have an extremely healthy heart and I am well hydrated because I run miles everyday and do yoga, but I do however have asthma, can that play a role in my astral projecting? And I take asthma medicine that increases my heart rate, nothing to the extent of caffeine I don't believe, I just know it says minor increase in heart rate on the bottle. I don't even notice a difference when I have taken my medicine, drink caffeine and run, seems the same to me, but you can never be too safe to check. ^.^

Edit: oh yeah, with the "try to lucid dream first", I have no idea how to do that, I keep a journal to write my dreams every night and I do, except the past week I haven't been remembering much. =/

Wait a minute! How am I able to consciously astral project on my first try just by wanting to and yet I can't even remember my full dreams or lucid dream at all, what's up with that? Aren't they all connected in some way, form or fashion if I'm not mistaken?

If I get more answers to my questions I'm going to astral project again tonight and stay like that, and if anyone else is going to project tonight too, maybe we can try to meet each other while projecting and see how that works...?

Hey, thanks for responding, but with the heart rate thing, so that's your heart chakra? How can I tell the difference so I know not to be freaked out? I mean when I got back into my body my real heart was beating super fast because I was in shock
that I actually did that and that my "heart" was beating so fast before I left.

Thats what I've heard, but I personally also experience a really fast physiological heart rate as well.

Did you experience anything before you did it? I find I feel like I start spinning around and around faster before I get close to APing.

But I do have an extremely healthy heart and I am well hydrated because I run miles everyday and do yoga, but I do however have asthma, can that play a role in my astral projecting? And I take asthma medicine that increases my heart rate, nothing to the extent of caffeine I don't believe, I just know it says minor increase in heart rate on the bottle. I don't even notice a difference when I have taken my medicine, drink caffeine and run, seems the same to me, but you can never be too safe to check. ^.^
As long as you do that, you should be fine :P
If you can run miles and do yoga, you're probably healthier than half the people that AP...

Edit: oh yeah, with the "try to lucid dream first", I have no idea how to do that, I keep a journal to write my dreams every night and I do, except the past week I haven't been remembering much. =/
Yeah thats the bitch part... you gotta find something common in your dreams and then realize them

My steps are:

1) Find the common sign

2) [hardest part] everytime you see it in real life, make a mental note

3) Continue making mental notes until *every time* you come across is you think of it. If you have to force think of it, you're not there yet. You should recognize it every time without thinking of "am I lucid dreaming?".
This step is hard to explain, the best example I'd give is:
- If you walk around your house going "am i lucid dreaming?" every 5 minutes... thats a slow way to get there
- If you go to a park (and you have parks a lot in your dreams for example), you go "its a park, am I dreaming?" because you saw the park and connected it to your dream, you're on the right track.

4) When you dream, eventually you will hit it. Dream journals just help you recall dreams better
** It is possible to lucid dream and forget the dream apparently.


I've achieved a lucid state before, but it actually wasn't at the place I always dream about. I looked at a clock at this massage place, and looked back and saw it was totally different and went "WTF!? how!? thats not scientifically possible... ! dream !", and in excitement woke up at 5:30 in the morning.

Wait a minute! How am I able to consciously astral project on my first try just by wanting to and yet I can't even remember my full dreams or lucid dream at all, what's up with that? Aren't they all connected in some way, form or fashion if I'm not mistaken?
I think they are, but it seems that lucid dreaming occurs within the brain, as you use the depth of your intelligence to paint your own world.
Astral is in the astral realm, where things are sort of defined...? I haven't actually wandered around-- still getting there :p

Also, some say that you astral project 2-3 times a week anyways, which may cut off dreaming time?

Really are you fucking serious astral projection doesn't fucking exist that is a dumb idea its pretty much impossible people who say they did it are lie. And dreaming while your sleeping and astral projection are two different things

Really are you fucking serious astral projection doesn't fucking exist that is a dumb idea its pretty much impossible people who say they did it are lie. And dreaming while your sleeping and astral projection are two different things

Well first of all, I was wide awake and wasn't even trying to go to sleep. So thanks, but no thanks, and I just for myself found out it isn't a lie. But your body is asleep during AP and during lucid dreaming of course it is. lucid dreaming and astral projecting do seem to have their similarities and differences though.

Well first of all, I was wide awake and wasn't even trying to go to sleep. So thanks, but no thanks, and I just for myself found out it isn't a lie. But your body is asleep during AP and during lucid dreaming of course it is. lucid dreaming and astral projecting do seem to have their similarities and differences though.

Just ignore him, he's trying to elicit a bait from you. They've proved it too, so just forget the troll.

1. Can your physical body be hurt when you project?
2. If I need to wake up, how do I?
3. How the heck do you get back to your body, this is what I'm mostly concerned about, can your body reject you coming back in? What if I get locked out...?
4. While leaving your body, as you know, your heart rate accelerates really fast, can this damage your health? And on top of that, will your heart rate continue that fast while your gone? Doesn't seem too healthy...
5. What happens if someone shakes my body while I'm astral projecting?
6. What type of entities can I expect during astral projection? Will any hurt me?
7. If me and you (whoever responds) are both astral projecting at the same time, could I meet up with you in the astral plane?


Edit: Just so you know, because I know people astral project while asleep, I was wide away in case that is important for any reason? I wasn't trying to go to sleep either, just wanted to astral project and did, well, half way and you know the rest...

Keep trying.

I don't think you can get locked out. You can come back different. You can die. Or leave your body. But I don't think you can just float around.

To get back, just think about it.

You shouldn't be getting hurt before during or after. A fast heartbeat is natural, usually it calms down though.

You'll probably return if someone disturbs you. You need peace to concentrate.

You can expect any entity you can imagine. They can affect you energetically.

If you are both experienced, you will be able to connect. Otherwise it will probably be too much information.

I think they are, but it seems that lucid dreaming occurs within the brain, as you use the depth of your intelligence to paint your own world.
Astral is in the astral realm, where things are sort of defined...? I haven't actually wandered around-- still getting there :p

Also, some say that you astral project 2-3 times a week anyways, which may cut off dreaming time?

Well, tonight since I've read up on some stuff, I'm going to fully astral project if I can, which I know can because of last night, I'll post what happened or what I did and I'll just let go tonight instead of being scared since I know I can't be hurt and I know what to expect.

Edit: I just read that if not all your chakras are opened you can hurt yourself or the part of your body where the chakra isn't open won't move up with your astral body, anyone know about this? I got my arms head, neck and chest up, and upper stomach then I stopped. I have done practices to open up my chakras several times, but I never feel any results except my third eye, which is always open. I suppose I'll open them later or, attempt to before I project tonight if I can fully do it. Although, I do, do yoga, could this be how my chakras are open? Interesting indeed. ^.^

I read two other things, one being your third eye controls astral projection alone, which would make sense, and would explain how I'm to so easily do it because my third eye is completely over active compared to my others.
And second I read if you have an over active chakra and others aren't up to speed to it, when you try to astral project, the over active chakra send its energy to the others to balance everything out.

Either way, I feel I'm in good shape, I just hope someone replies on what they know about this.

I don't think you can get locked out.

it´s called depersonalization ..

The heart thing scares the shit out of me too

The heart thing scares the shit out of me too

Yeah, I realized, don't worry about it, I plugged up a heart monitor to myself last night while I "semi-tried" to astral project. I had to the same heart beat constantly, and I focused on my heart too, I could feel my heart, then I could feel my heart chakra beating differently and much faster.

I tried that out first, then I exhausted myself to do it again so I didn't get to astral project yet. It seems I blew my best chance of ever doing it until I get more practice in.

Yeah, I realized, don't worry about it, I plugged up a heart monitor to myself last night while I "semi-tried" to astral project.

Are you in the hospital? :eek:

Are you in the hospital? :eek:

No, I have some hospital equipment, my brother's girl friend is a traveling nurse, and my brother was going into medicine and did for a little over a year then decided to go into computers instead, so, I have lots of neat things.

Why not just astral project and do things on the physical plane simultaneously? Multi-task, it just takes imagination and the power of lucid "day-dreaming".

^ That's far out.

Why not just astral project and do things on the physical plane simultaneously? Multi-task, it just takes imagination and the power of lucid "day-dreaming".

are you talking about nirvana? samadhi?

or just being in two places at once?

also, I find the best way to astral project is to go deep into meditation and focus on breathing. if you know how to control the flow of energy then it will happen automatically after about a half hour

also, I find the best way to astral project is to go deep into meditation and focus on breathing. if you know how to control the flow of energy then it will happen automatically after about a half hour

shit, it takes me only 5 minutes to get my heart chakra going crazy then get my upper torso and head and arms up. legs/pelvis area is actually kinda difficult...

Just ignore him, he's trying to elicit a bait from you. They've proved it too, so just forget the troll.

Sorry? They've proved astral projection is real? Actually proved it scientifically, with proper experimental procedure?


You can't make that statement without some pretty sturdy documentation - I would love to read it!

If you could give a link that would be great...

Sorry? They've proved astral projection is real? Actually proved it scientifically, with proper experimental procedure?


You can't make that statement without some pretty sturdy documentation - I would love to read it!

If you could give a link that would be great...

I believe it would indeed be impossible to prove astral projection, you just have to have done it to know it. The only thing you can even notice different looking from the outside is a persons heart chakra beating extremely fast, faster than a heart can go, and you can feel that, and be hooked up to a heart monitor and nothing will change so you can't mistake that beating for your heart, but that would only say something about chakras.... So that's the only scientific proof I could ever come up with and I firmly believe in it from experience and I love science and I don't do any sort of drugs so I'm not your "far-out maaan" guy telling you, you can leave your body like a crazy person, etc. Its just a spiritual ability you have that does not go against or with science in any way, its out of scientific touch IMO.

shit, it takes me only 5 minutes to get my heart chakra going crazy then get my upper torso and head and arms up. legs/pelvis area is actually kinda difficult...

Going crazy? there's no need to make yr heart chakra go crazy, in fact that's kind of going against what would be needed.

if you know how to breath and channel yr energy properly yr heat chakra should just beat slow and steadily, unless something in the environment effects it (which is why its nice to meditate in a place that's quiet & calm but at higher levels its not even needed anymore)

I don't know if most people know this, but there's two sides to yr "heart" or heart chakra or whatever...

Left/right...inferior/superior.

try and activate yr right side and see what happens.

Going crazy? there's no need to make yr heart chakra go crazy, in fact that's kind of going against what would be needed.

if you know how to breath and channel yr energy properly yr heat chakra should just beat slow and steadily, unless something in the environment effects it (which is why its nice to meditate in a place that's quiet & calm but at higher levels its not even needed anymore)

I don't know if most people know this, but there's two sides to yr "heart" or heart chakra or whatever...

Left/right...inferior/superior.

try and activate yr right side and see what happens.

It just beats very fast and intensely, and everything I've read says it does too... But I'll look that up. I first experienced it, then I read upon it that it does infact beat very intensely before you leave the body. So, you may just be different. Everyone is different so, for example, you take so long to get relaxed, I take about 2 minutes...

I might get back into this kind of stuff. A few years ago I was really fascinated with it, and managed to astral project for a few seconds while meditating. I think I may have done it a few times while sleeping also, but not nearly as vividly as that one time and not fully lucid.

The first and perhaps only time I've done it was when I was trying to project, it was day, and I was focusing on some music in another room. I remember losing all physical feeling and my "heart" beating really really fast, and eventually I rose out of my body and floated up towards the ceiling. Then I opened my eyes and freaked the fuck out because I was really close to the ceiling and I kinda had warped vision, like I was super aware. Then I snapped back to my physical self and opened my eyes again, and I realized I did it.

It was fucking weird seeing with my eyes closed, I wish I had managed to remain stable instead of freaking out. I could've had a lot of fun. Every time I try or get close I always freak out though. I really want to actually project sometime, but the last time I really tried to was a few years ago in 9th grade.

Anyway, it's definitely real. No doubt.

as real as anything else isn't

For those who astral project,I'd like you to try something.
When you are out of body;ask a guide to show you the next day.

I've had my first psychic experience this way.
I seen the next day before it occurred. T'was an experience


On an unrelated note,I do remember a feeling of merging.It is quite odd.

I'll have nothing to do with with teachers/entities/gurus/angels/demons/spirits/helpers or whatever

I'll have nothing to do with with teachers/entities/gurus/angels/demons/spirits/helpers or whatever

Whats wrong with a teacher? If Jesus or Buddha were to help me what I'd have no problem with that, what's so wrong with them? Asking questions never did anyone harm.

It was fucking weird seeing with my eyes closed, I wish I had managed to remain stable instead of freaking out. I could've had a lot of fun. Every time I try or get close I always freak out though.

this. which is why all I've done is experimenting with it the past fews nights, which I haven't been freaking out lately because I've memorized the routine and gotten use to it.

Whats wrong with a teacher? If Jesus or Buddha were to help me what I'd have no problem with that, what's so wrong with them? Asking questions never did anyone harm.

nothing is "wrong" per se, it is just a personal disposition of mine that have arisen through the conditions of my life

which is to say specifically that I have never had a teacher and will never need one and I find the human dependence on others to tell them what to do very...unbecoming of a true human

teachers/gurus do have their place and the gods know I somehow end up teaching people although sometimes they don't even realize it, but they are in the end more chains and useless junk

everything you want you contain

I believe it would indeed be impossible to prove astral projection, you just have to have done it to know it. The only thing you can even notice different looking from the outside is a persons heart chakra beating extremely fast, faster than a heart can go, and you can feel that, and be hooked up to a heart monitor and nothing will change so you can't mistake that beating for your heart, but that would only say something about chakras.... So that's the only scientific proof I could ever come up with and I firmly believe in it from experience and I love science and I don't do any sort of drugs so I'm not your "far-out maaan" guy telling you, you can leave your body like a crazy person, etc. Its just a spiritual ability you have that does not go against or with science in any way, its out of scientific touch IMO.


But the guy I quoted said that "they" have proved it...

I've got an open mind about these things, but to say that somethings been proved requires some evidence...

Astral projecting isn't hard at all, you just need to balance out yourself with the elements.

Try reading this e-book http://highmagic.net/pdf/initiation.pdf and doing the "Magic Mental/Psychic Training" after that, try doing the rest. This book is like the compendium of learning how to develop your psychic abilities.

By the way smoking Cannabis helps you meditate better. It's actually an ingredient in a tea made for learning Astral travel, I can't exactly remember from what book/site though.

Sorry? They've proved astral projection is real? Actually proved it scientifically, with proper experimental procedure?


You can't make that statement without some pretty sturdy documentation - I would love to read it!

If you could give a link that would be great...

An independent scientist put a note in a box, locked it and threw away the key. After a projection from a student of (I forget the guy's name), he read the sheet back to him, and never entered the box.

Of course, you're not really here for anyones benefit, nor do you really care about the study; let alone even care about this thread. You're just here to cause a rift-- If you've got nothing better to do... go home.

Astral projecting isn't hard at all, you just need to balance out yourself with the elements.

Try reading this e-book http://highmagic.net/pdf/initiation.pdf and doing the "Magic Mental/Psychic Training" after that, try doing the rest. This book is like the compendium of learning how to develop your psychic abilities.

By the way smoking Cannabis helps you meditate better. It's actually an ingredient in a tea made for learning Astral travel, I can't exactly remember from what book/site though.

How odd, this book has been on my mind for about a week now, I don't have any money to buy it and couldn't ever find an online pdf of the full or free version and I knew that it would come to me soon, and here you are with that book. Hm.

How odd, this book has been on my mind for about a week now, I don't have any money to buy it and couldn't ever find an online pdf of the full or free version and I knew that it would come to me soon, and here you are with that book. Hm.

It's called Synchronicity, http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2175435 I talk about it in that thread.

How odd, this book has been on my mind for about a week now, I don't have any money to buy it and couldn't ever find an online pdf of the full or free version and I knew that it would come to me soon, and here you are with that book. Hm.

It's called Synchronicity, http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2175435 I talk about it in this thread.

Im sorry I dont know much about A.P.

But can I ask what exactly are the white/dark lights aura.

And also why not go with the dark aura.. how could it be 'harmful'. I mean what could happen?

Any insight would be appreciated, I really want to start getting into this , and ill be getting books on the subject soon.

Thanks if you respond.

An independent scientist put a note in a box, locked it and threw away the key. After a projection from a student of (I forget the guy's name), he read the sheet back to him, and never entered the box.

Of course, you're not really here for anyones benefit, nor do you really care about the study; let alone even care about this thread. You're just here to cause a rift-- If you've got nothing better to do... go home.


Grow up, I really do have better things to do than try to cause "rifts" on internet forums...

I am genuinely interested in documented evidence of astral projection. What you've just given me is an anecdote about some anecdotal evidence - definately not proof of anything, and definately not science...

Do you have an actual citation for this? From a peer-reviewed journal? Or, better yet, a PDF copy of the article?

If so, bring it on! I'm very keen to read it!

Grow up, I really do have better things to do than try to cause "rifts" on internet forums...
Your posts deem otherwise.

I am genuinely interested in documented evidence of astral projection. What you've just given me is an anecdote about some anecdotal evidence - definately not proof of anything, and definately not science...
Be my guest, it is of no concern if you know or not.
No matter what I throw at you, unless it has 20 Ph D names on it, your nose will shift upwards regardless.
Or even if it did, you'd just say "I need real professors, not ones that have spend 15 years studying cognition."
Let me guess, you want it from a chemistry professor? Please.
Why are you even in this forum? Nevermind, I understand-- another troll.

Do you have an actual citation for this? From a peer-reviewed journal? Or, better yet, a PDF copy of the article?
What do you think? Its not like the articles I have for cell bio that have an intro/mm/results/discussion.

If so, bring it on! I'm very keen to read it!
Bluffing works only so far.


Im sorry I dont know much about A.P.

But can I ask what exactly are the white/dark lights aura.

And also why not go with the dark aura.. how could it be 'harmful'. I mean what could happen?

Any insight would be appreciated, I really want to start getting into this , and ill be getting books on the subject soon.

Thanks if you respond.
Don't go near dark aura's. If you're in the astral, the more bright it is, the better. Always ask for white light.

Don't go near dark aura's. If you're in the astral, the more bright it is, the better. Always ask for white light.

What do they do exactly?

What do they do exactly?

Some of them cause problems.

My friend was really depressed over a GF relationship, and something negative attached onto him and he got tons of suicidal thoughts. Some person who knew about it helped cure him.

But nothing can harm you if you don't have bad thoughts :)

Positive + light = good

Your posts deem otherwise.

hehe - nice try!

Be my guest, it is of no concern if you know or not.

eh?

If I know what?

I'm very confused...


No matter what I throw at you, unless it has 20 Ph D names on it, your nose will shift upwards regardless.
Or even if it did, you'd just say "I need real professors, not ones that have spend 15 years studying cognition."
Let me guess, you want it from a chemistry professor? Please.


No, not at all - all I want is legitimate research. Although it is true, a great deal of research does involve PhD students, masters students, and their supervisors. But certainly, any scientific papers with " 20 PhD students" named, would also have their proffessors named on it too - so no need to worry there!


I'm guessing that you can't provide any such thing, otherwise you would have done so, rather than just trying to provoke some ridiculous argument. On the internet, of all places...


I have no problem with astral projection - you said there was proof. All I'm asking is for is the production of said proof. Easy! Or, according to your ridiculously defensive and aggressive posts, impossibly hard...



What do you think? Its not like the articles I have for cell bio that have an intro/mm/results/discussion.

Sorry? The cell biology articles you have don't follow the accepted academic format? Errrm... I think they probably do, though I don't really understand how that relates to the present discussion...


I'm done with this guy, can anyone else provide me with this documented, scientific, evidence?

Some of them cause problems.

My friend was really depressed over a GF relationship, and something negative attached onto him and he got tons of suicidal thoughts. Some person who knew about it helped cure him.

But nothing can harm you if you don't have bad thoughts :)

Positive + light = good

mmm, some of us like the dark

Ok , but what are they supposed to be, actual people. or your own thoughts...like ids?

If I did astral project and went towards the dark light, I want to know what all it can do to me....Does it talk to you or influence your mind with say ..evil. Is it the devil and the white is angels? also when you project can you physically do something that will affect the real world.

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Ok , but what are they supposed to be, actual people. or your own thoughts...like ids?

If I did astral project and went towards the dark light, I want to know what all it can do to me....Does it talk to you or influence your mind with say ..evil. Is it the devil and the white is angels? also when you project can you physically do something that will affect the real world.

Im not sure TBH.
You can't physically do anything to anyone in real life. If you could, negative energy would take over and you'd be in a shitload of trouble.

There is no such thing as astral projection

There is no such thing as astral projection

I'm binary and don't exist either :)

There is no such thing as astral projection

You are just an illusion of yourself and the world only exists as you perceive it. Nothing is real, life is an illusion.

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I need to do some drugs and go on a huge philosophy rant... :D

You are just an illusion of yourself and the world only exists as you perceive it. Nothing is real, life is an illusion.



I need to do some drugs and go on a huge philosophy rant... :D

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But seriously, it appears that no one here can help me by providing scientific evidence for astral projection...

But... have any of you guys actually tested out your own abilities in a scientific or semi-scientific manner? By that I mean maybe, going forward and getting lottery numbers, or asking a friend to conceal a message somewhere, and then reading it during your astral travels?

It strikes me as something that I would want to do myself just to confirm my belief that I am actually "projecting", rather than it being imagininary / a dream / an indication I am becoming delusional / etc.

If not, why not? Have people simply not "got around" to it, or is there a less obvious reason which I would not be privy to?

It seems to me that the process is easily testable to give a straightforward pass/fail result...

But seriously, it appears that no one here can help me by providing scientific evidence for astral projection...

put concepts like the kohonen self organizing map, sleep paralysis and precognition into a mixer for 5 minutes, serve with an olive ..

put concepts like the kohonen self organizing map, sleep paralysis and precognition into a mixer for 5 minutes, serve with an olive ..


I assume you're trying to put forward the notion that astral projections is "beyond the realms of scientific testing" ?


It's not. It's easily verifiable/falsifiable simply using the "tests" i mentioned above...

oh I forgot, it needs a bit depersonalization.

and no, it´s not verifyable. if moore´s law continues we might have a computer big enough for this in 20 years ..

oh I forgot, it needs a bit depersonalization.

and no, it´s not verifyable. if moore´s law continues we might have a computer big enough for this in 20 years ..


Sorry - no idea what you're trying to say...

Computer? Why on earth would you need a computer to verify astral projection?


Oh well...

google is a great help if you don´t know the used words. and if you think self-suggestion can be avoided without the simulation on a computer you have no idea what you are talking about ..

Google? Thanks - I'll remember that one for next time!

I think we're crossing wires here, I'm not talking about simulations or models - indeed a degree of personal "entanglement" may even be necessary, I wouldn't know.

I'm talking simply of simple, reproducible testing of particular "abilities", and I'm asking if anyone here has tried such simple tests. I reiterate: If I felt I had such abilities, I would want to put them to the test myself, in order to determine whether they were actually what I thought they were, or whether I was simply fooling myself.

As I'm sure you'll agree, the human mind is capable of incredible things...

if I told you seeing a dragon in a dream is a rudimentary flight instinct in your brain from the first mammals when dinosaurs were still stomping on the playground of evolution, how can your consciousness ever be sure any dragon you have seen in a dream is the flight instinct or an imagination of an already known dragon? to make it short, you can´t, therefor you need a computer which has the capability of 2 to the power of 200 quintillions actions per second ..

if I told you seeing a dragon in a dream is a rudimentary flight instinct in your brain from the first mammals when dinosaurs were still stomping on the playground of evolution, how can your consciousness ever be sure any dragon you have seen in a dream is the flight instinct or an imagination of an already known dragon? to make it short, you can´t, therefor you need a computer which has the capability of 2 to the power of 200 quintillions actions per second ..


Well... This assumes that the mind is simply a sophisticated computer, which may or may not be true.

Whether or not the concepts are feasible in a synthetic brain is certainly interesting, and you are certainly correct in saying that we do not yet have the ability to test such an asuumption. However, this is not the question I am asking.


What I want to know, once again, is if anyone here has tested their ability of astral projection or remote viewing by using a very simple test, such as having someone write a random series of numbers on a piece of paper, putting it in a locked box, and "reading" those numbers by using the aforementioned ability.

If so, have you managed to this in reasonably well-controlled conditions, in a reproducible manner?

If you have not applied such tests, why not? Do you simply not feel the need, or is there more substantial reasoning?

on previous page I used the word precognition, if you know the person, there´s a higher probabilty your brain will know the answer ..

on previous page I used the word precognition, if you know the person, there´s a higher probabilty your brain will know the answer ..

Whilst it's kinda sweet that you're going to these lengths to avoid answering the question, it's becoming just a touch tiresome...

Thanks anyway, for the input!

Why don't you people just prove him wrong?:confused:

No need to do a lot of dodging, weaving, and less than fancy footwork when all you have to do, is document your claims...

I mean, it's customary (at the very least attempt) to provide documentation when your claims are being disputed, if you didn't you wouldn't have any credibility, everybody knows that...

So, what's the problem?

Why don't you people just prove him wrong?:confused:

No need to do a lot of dodging, weaving, and less than fancy footwork when all you have to do, is document your claims...

I mean, it's customary (at the very least attempt) to provide documentation when your claims are being disputed, if you didn't you wouldn't have any credibility, everybody knows that...

So, what's the problem?


Thank you!

A sensible and reasonable post!

Let me clarify my position here, I have no issue with believing in astral projection - I DO however have an issue with believing things without any evidence.

It's like the young-earth creationists - regardless of the clear indication that their beliefs are complete bollocks, they don't try and find the evidence to prove creationism - all they can do is to try to pick holes in evolution and the scientific method:


"This one thing was hoax - therefore all the evidence is to be mistrusted"

"this one instance of radio carbon dating was shown, through the scientific peer-review mechanism, to be inaccurate - therefore it's all wrong"


I digress...

All I mean is that I willing to believe, as long as there is evidence...

So, what's the problem?

your rudimentary knowledge of logic and empiric proving ..

All I mean is that I willing to believe, as long as there is evidence...

hahahahhaha

that generated a very suitable image of a cave-man who nonetheless existing in a mystical and magical world will refuse to acknowledge it and is bound by his cave-man reasoning and judgements

hahahahhaha

that generated a very suitable image of a cave-man who nonetheless existing in a mystical and magical world will refuse to acknowledge it and is bound by his cave-man reasoning and judgements

So you're willing to believe anything without a shred of proof?

Fair enough...

So you're willing to believe anything without a shred of proof?

Fair enough...

no, I believe nothing even with all the proof in existence

no, I believe nothing even with all the proof in existence


Awww! Wanky acid-head sentiments!

Absolutely love it !


But, returning to the subject in hand, I'll ask just once more - Has anyone here actually tested their astral projection or remote viewing abilities?

Awww! Wanky acid-head sentiments!

Absolutely love it !


But, returning to the subject in hand, I'll ask just once more - Has anyone here actually tested their astral projection or remote viewing abilities?

I test it about as much as I test out food in my mouth

I chew, I swallow, I digest, I have energy

if food doesn't give anyone else energy I don't care and I'll continue eating anyway mmm

I test it about as much as I test out food in my mouth

I chew, I swallow, I digest, I have energy

if food doesn't give anyone else energy I don't care and I'll continue eating anyway mmm


OK, so that's a no.

Anyone else?

OK, so that's a no.

Anyone else?

Find your own evidence. You're approaching an inner practice with an outer viewpoint. Instead of waiting for someone to tell you it's true, why don't you find the truth out for yourself.

Find your own evidence. You're approaching an inner practice with an outer viewpoint. Instead of waiting for someone to tell you it's true, why don't you find the truth out for yourself.


Fine.

I give up.

All I asked was one simple question, and it seems that no-one can come close to even attampting to answer, preferring instead to spout bullshit.

Oh well, I tried!

Lol. fcknut, you've had to reiterate your question so many times. In the end, all you wanted was a simple yes or no. Well, I don't partake in astral projection so I can't give you any information on that. Just felt like pointing out how ridiculous this whole 'beating-around-the-bush' thing has gotten.

Lol. fcknut, you've had to reiterate your question so many times. In the end, all you wanted was a simple yes or no. Well, I don't partake in astral projection so I can't give you any information on that. Just felt like pointing out how ridiculous this whole 'beating-around-the-bush' thing has gotten.

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He's going to troll you regardless, he doesn't care about your answer.

Thank you!

A sensible and reasonable post!

Why thank you.

Let me clarify my position here, I have no issue with believing in astral projection - I DO however have an issue with believing things without any evidence.

Couldn't have put it more accurately myself...
I mean, I think I'd really like experiencing it, the possibilities are endless, it'd be an interesting break from everyday life, and I could learn a load about a world that's supposedly hidden from most people.
But, I've seen way too many unsubstantiated claims of paranormal abilities over the years - so far, attempting to demonstrate said abilities have only resulted in complete and utter failure.
Not saying it isn't possible, but it'd be nice to have something to convince me...

It's like the young-earth creationists - regardless of the clear indication that their beliefs are complete bollocks, they don't try and find the evidence to prove creationism - all they can do is to try to pick holes in evolution and the scientific method:


"This one thing was hoax - therefore all the evidence is to be mistrusted"

"this one instance of radio carbon dating was shown, through the scientific peer-review mechanism, to be inaccurate - therefore it's all wrong"

Hmm, I don't know if it's totally fair to compare astral projectors to the creationists, the latter is so far out (and religiously brain washed, I might add) that taking them seriously is impossible for me, and everyone else with an understanding of how evolution works...
The difference as I see it, is that people claiming to possess paranormal abillities, when asked to demonstrate them, will either A) try to shift the burden of proof onto the disbeliever, B) dodge and weave to avoid proving their claims (sometimes to ridiculous extents), C) attempt to prove their claims and fail miserably, D) attempt to prove their claims yet only manage to produce results within the laws of probability.
Creationists attempt to prove their claims, by using non-scientific arguments they try to pass off as scientific, or as you pointed out yourself, by taking isolated cases where errors have been made, and base their line of argumentation around that.

I digress...

All I mean is that I willing to believe, as long as there is evidence...

Yup, and that's the way it should be, deciding that "something isn't possible because I haven't seen it proven" is simply retarded and close minded, yet I don't think it's unfair to ask for some sort of verifiable data.

your rudimentary knowledge of logic and empiric proving ..

Ehh, who are you again?

I came into this thread with an open mind and a genuine wish to discuss the matter at hand in a civilized manner as adults, so don't piss me off by by spewing out smart-ass one-line remarks you think sounds clever, but only serves to prove you're incapable of posting anything with just a grain of substance.

You can come back when you've got something worth spending time on!

According to Wiki, there is scientific evidence of Lucid Dreaming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream#Scientific_history

In that same article I found this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4271018.stm).

. . . "There are several theories as to why people have OBEs," says David Wilde, the researcher running the project. "A common link between them is the idea that in certain circumstances the brain somehow loses touch with sensory information coming in from the body. This triggers a series of psychological mechanisms which can lead to someone having an OBE." [/SIZE]

Mr Wilde draws an analogy with the experience of a dead arm.

"It's a little bit like if you sleep on your arm and lose sensation in it. Only with an OBE, the sensation loss is in the whole body and the brain's response seems to be to create a feeling of separation from the self."
"In this study we aim to take the theory a stage further, by looking at the way people see and experience their bodies, and how - through perfectly ordinary psychological processes - these images and experiences may create the impression of seeing their bodies from the outside."
It isn't rare for people to have more than one OBE, and they may also occur as part of the wider near-death experience (NDE) some report experiencing in life-threatening circumstances.
Mr Wilde is at pains to stress that he doesn't judge whether OBEs are real.
"If someone has had an experience, then we take that as real. We can't disprove or prove anything."


They then go on to talk of NDE, read the article if you care.

This is very interesting:
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html#a2
How valid it is, I'm not sure.
If you find any criticism, feel free to post it.


Personally, I have had a few OBE in my life.
None were voluntary, maybe it was more of a NDE, or maybe it was some sort of etheric resonance that interacted with my signal those nights.
I don't know.

But I do believe the potential knowledge that can be acquired about yourself in the dream state, lucid state, and out of body are very high.

Ideas for future experiments, concepts for that book you're writing, entwining your essence with the essence of that book you must know inside and out for your college classes.

I'm sure you can think of others, the possibilities appear to be endless.

You can come back when you've got something worth spending time on!

talking to yourself? learn at least the basics of empiric reasoning and then come back ..

Lol. fcknut, you've had to reiterate your question so many times. In the end, all you wanted was a simple yes or no.


if you ever watch the film "I, robot" you will find a scene where someone is told that he is asking the wrong question. maybe asking for a yes or no is wrong?

talking to yourself? learn at least the basics of empiric reasoning and then come back ..

Already got that shit down, stop wasting my time...