People take for granted the security and safety the bush admin has given us. After 9/11 about 40% of the governments money goes into defense and it really pays off

Now I hope im wrong but sadly thats the reason why iran , muslims terrorists, and im sure russia secretly celebrated when obama was elected because hes a pushover

I will bump this thread for every terrorist attack during obamas presidency.

You work for your money. The government claims a percentage of it. The government gives it to the same contracting firms like halliburton, blackwater, booze-allen-hamilton, lockheed martin, etc. over and over again who overcharge for providing services that the government should provide in the first place. things like security. There is also no strong evidence that they provide significantly increased efficiency. On the contrary the disaster that was iraq's reparation suggests otherwise.

Bush giveth with one hand, and takes with another.

He had some decent ideals like the no child left behind, and tax cuts for the wealthy, instead nclfb's budget gets slashed and he raised the alternative minimum tax threshold on the upper middle class.

Also, do you know why he failed at katrina so hard? He gave contracts to halliburton, blackwater, sound familiar yet? To do a half-assed clean up and repair job while slashing funds for non-profit social programs.

Bush is a corrupt corporatist. He has increased government spending and raised taxes, going against everything he's supposed to stand for, except for when it comes to vetoing stem cell research and granting a presidential pardon to cocaine dealer john forte.

Really dude, if you don't know about a subject, ask questions. Don't claim you know what you're talking about. I doubt you'll find much bush support here.

We are super safer now that Bush is in office.

We have strengthened private military companies, which is awesome, and have become just like Rome in the 400s. Super strong and super efficient.

We have successfully taken over Iraq, because Saddam Hussein was a direct threat to our national security.

We have cut down on taxes and spending, just like the conservative credo "Small government, less taxes."

The hornets nest that was Islamic terrorism is more like a beehive now. Now we can harvest honey!

Goooooo BUSSSSHHH!!!!!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

hey im just putting it out there that there hasn't been a single attack on American soil since 9/11 when tens of thousands of militants in the middle east would gladly and immediately suicide bomb anything in America

I mean not even a single bomb or anything in 7 years of straight up war on our soil and I personally don't think its a coincidence.

Bush gets so much shit but half of it isnt his fault just bad timing and the other half doesnt effect me so i dont give two shits.

I mean seriously besides the 4,000 troops familys who really gets effected by the Iraq war in America?

I mean not even a single bomb or anything in 7 years of straight up war on our soil and I personally don't think its a coincidence.

That's what I call a Freudian slip.

What was bad timing?

Extending the war on terror into Iraq? Hiring obscenely costly PMCs and corporations to run Iraq? Going into Iraq without much of a plan and under armed?

These are awesome.


Yeah this war has no effect on you, because you obviously don't drive a car, nor have half a brain.

Also, do you know why he failed at katrina so hard? He gave contracts to halliburton, blackwater, sound familiar yet? To do a half-assed clean up and repair job while slashing funds for non-profit social programs.

I'm not supporting Mr. Bush... but you can't blame him for Katrina. That's foolish. You CAN blame Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco. You cannot blame George Bush. Hell, you can even blame his advisors after the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA, before you can blame Bush. That wasn't his job. That was Mayor Nagin's job. But no, that tub of shit (WHO GOT RE-ELECTED) should be put on trial for MURDER because he was having dinner at the hilton inn the night before Katrina hit and instead of accepting the fleet of greyhounds to help evactuate, he said people would be prepared for it. He then flew off in a helicopter, saving his own arse, leaving everyone else to die.

I'm not supporting Mr. Bush... but you can't blame him for Katrina. That's foolish. You CAN blame Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco. You cannot blame George Bush. Hell, you can even blame his advisors after the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA, before you can blame Bush. That wasn't his job. That was Mayor Nagin's job. But no, that tub of shit (WHO GOT RE-ELECTED) should be put on trial for MURDER because he was having dinner at the hilton inn the night before Katrina hit and instead of accepting the fleet of greyhounds to help evactuate, he said people would be prepared for it. He then flew off in a helicopter, saving his own arse, leaving everyone else to die.

The blame for the non-evacuation rests on Nagin and Blanco.

The blame for the HORRIBLE reaction time rests on FEMA and Bush. If you blame Bush's advisor you have to blame him, he is ultimately responsible, thats what being president is all about.

But anyways, I agree that Nagin and Blanco didn't get any of the flak that they deserved.

hey im just putting it out there that there hasn't been a single attack on American soil since 9/11 when tens of thousands of militants in the middle east would gladly and immediately suicide bomb anything in America



Ok, well how many middle eastern terrorist attacks on American soil were there before 9-11, when those militants were still around and still wanted to bomb America? The only thing I can think of is the world trade center bombing in '93 that I think that was done by Egyptians anyways (but don't quote me on that).
I'm not blaming 9-11 on Bush, but I just don't think this is a valid point of contention.

The US caused terrorism by playing the world's policeman for the last 50 years.

They don't just hate us for no reason. We fucked with the whole world, and now everybody wants a piece.

The US caused terrorism by playing the world's policeman for the last 50 years.

They don't just hate us for no reason. We fucked with the whole world, and now everybody wants a piece.

+1

It's not politically correct, but this is the truth. Too bad only a handful of politicians (ie Ron Paul) will admit this.

hey im just putting it out there that there hasn't been a single attack on American soil since 9/11 when tens of thousands of militants in the middle east would gladly and immediately suicide bomb anything in America

I mean not even a single bomb or anything in 7 years of straight up war on our soil and I personally don't think its a coincidence.

What exactly has changed, in terms of our security, since 9/11?

The fact that we haven't had an attack since then isn't proof that we're safer now - it's proof that the whole terrorism thing is blown ridiculously out of proportion. We are still just as vulnerable as we were 7 years ago. The government still refuses to do anything about the borders, or stopping immigration from Middle Eastern countries, or allowing people to arm themselves in accordance with the 2nd Amendment. If the terrorists want to attack, there is absolutely nothing stopping them.

Besides, why would they even want to waste the resources required to launch another attack? Bin Laden's stated goal is to drag us into unwinnable quagmires and financially bankrupt us, and we're already playing right into his plans. Another attack isn't even necessary.

two real reasons as to why there hasnt been a terrorist attack on american soil since the big one.

One, Distance. They are several thousand miles away from us. it takes years of planning and with increased security measures, they probably wouldnt be successful anyway

Two, we've acceeded to their demands. They wanted us to close the Al-sultana AB in Saudi Arabia, we did that. We placed ourselves in a war of occupation so they can recruit more jihadis, they wanted that too.

The fact that we haven't had an attack since then isn't proof that we're safer now - it's proof that the whole terrorism thing is blown ridiculously out of proportion. We are still just as vulnerable as we were 7 years ago. The government still refuses to do anything about the borders, or stopping immigration from Middle Eastern countries, or allowing people to arm themselves in accordance with the 2nd Amendment. If the terrorists want to attack, there is absolutely nothing stopping them.

Besides, why would they even want to waste the resources required to launch another attack? Bin Laden's stated goal is to drag us into unwinnable quagmires and financially bankrupt us, and we're already playing right into his plans. Another attack isn't even necessary.

This. For certain. It's like throwing water balloons at the bully that's on probation, knowing he's gonna get angry and screw up.

Well there's most definitely a better analogy, but it's all I can come up with before I go to jury duty this morning.

Anyways, the war of terrorism as posed by Republicans and old people is SCARY! Evil men with turbans, rifles, and swords coming to reign terror and bomb us. The war of terrorism as posed by Bin Laden is SUBTLE. (Unless of course you're paying attention and using logic) It hits your wallet, which ultimately hits your ability to do shit. We're in the biggest financial crisis ever because we'd rather let our CEO's have 12 houses, 15 cars, private jets, and more money than we could even get in trouble with. And we've been okay with it for so long until the Bush Administration started to do even more.

The US caused terrorism by playing the world's policeman for the last 50 years.

They don't just hate us for no reason. We fucked with the whole world, and now everybody wants a piece.

False. The U.S did not cause Terrorism. This was a tactic used before we began policing the World, at least at the level that you see today. I would say it is Western Imperialism particularly Europe, who didn't create Terrorism but rather created a new breed of terrorism and an escalation of that new type when they decided to carve out the middle east and allocate it amongst themselves. The U.S is simply the heir to the throne in regards to Imperialism. For the Past 50 years we've escalated terrorism.

Most terror attacks, if not all, were done by govenrment insiders. The OKC bombing - first attempt to expand police power by the request of FBI chief Freeh; the 911 attack - a false flag bombing for Mid-east war; anthrax attack - an intimidation to push the passing throug of Patriot Act; Bali bombing - aimed to provoke Australians to support Iraq war; and numerous suicide bombing in Iraq markets - to provoke the conflict between Sunni and Shiti Muslim so US troops having excuse to stay in Iraq.....
Now it becomes a grant gift from Bush administration - because the insiders didn't kill its people in recent years?

The biggest terrorist is US intelligence and the roque team of the pentagon. They planned terror attack on civilians to squeeze money and power from them. That is why there are so many terror attacks in the world. When Pentagon has got the most money in Bush's eight years ruling period, the world suffered most terror attacks. All these attacks needs money support. And that resource, came from the roque part of US intelligence and military.

Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush needs excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there was no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war.

nice to see you again kattaksung

ehhh....I agree that false terrorist attacks could be used and has been used in that manner from time to time but what your saying is just pure stupidity. Al Qaeda Has existed since the 70's and they are in Syria and have affiliations with Iran. We helped them to defeat the soviets by arming them but in no way shape or form did we create the organization. I'll admit....9/11 was fishy and COULD be an inside job, although no one at least on the civilian level, has access to that proof so it can only be considered a theory not a fact. But do you honestly think the U.S is staging all of those bombings in Iraq and for that matter all over the World? I think you're jumping the gun waay too much. The idea is the same in that the U.S along with other Western nations is the cause of this escalating terror problem but its definitely not a conspiracy...at least for the most part. What your seeing is indirect imperialism and the result of it, torn up third World Countries and breeding grounds for more terrorist activities. There's no mystery or conspiracy to it. The U.S is power hungry and are willing to go through desperate measures to get what they want. This means sending in "Jackles" or the CIA to assasinate leaders, setting up bad loans, etc. It's crazy and absolutely fascinating because these techniques have never been mastered on a scale like this, but it is in no way shape or form a conspiracy as you say. Please if you're going to claim the government is behind it at least use logic to back it up.

You dont need another 9\11 to shut this country down.

In fact, I think that a few(maybe even one) Mumbai's in our malls\public areas would be more psychologically draining than occasionally crashing a 767 into a building or two. No matter how many billions of dollars you sink into a defense budget, Ahmed, hajji and Steve will find it easy to get a hold of a few several hundred dollar rifles and treat the local shopping center like a shooting gallery.

Seriously, it doesn't take a genius to see just how vulnerable we are. If a crazy gang of kids decides to rep jihad and go to a local mall and shoot in the name of allah, imagine what kind of affect that would have on the general public? I sure as hell would keep my trips to crowded areas to a minimum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

I didn't Masturbate on 9/11. (A)

America was attacked on 9/11. (B)

A occurs in correlation with B, therefore, A caused B.

You better hope I don't stop Masturbating any time soon.

You dont need another 9\11 to shut this country down.

In fact, I think that a few(maybe even one) Mumbai's in our malls\public areas would be more psychologically draining than occasionally crashing a 767 into a building or two. No matter how many billions of dollars you sink into a defense budget, Ahmed, hajji and Steve will find it easy to get a hold of a few several hundred dollar rifles and treat the local shopping center like a shooting gallery.

Seriously, it doesn't take a genius to see just how vulnerable we are. If a crazy gang of kids decides to rep jihad and go to a local mall and shoot in the name of allah, imagine what kind of affect that would have on the general public? I sure as hell would keep my trips to crowded areas to a minimum.

Fuck man... why even waste your breath with Jihad? A bunch of video game playing kids who actually have a very highly developed skill in REAL shooting (going to gun ranges a few times a week/month) could seriously own a college or two plus a few local malls "just because I'm sick of you ignorant people in America".

Every time I step foot on campus during the busy hours, with people just standing around outside in huge groups, I start to get nervous. Cho killed 32 in class rooms. You could easily kill 50-60 just walking outside on campuses during busy hours if you knew what you were doing.

I'm just glad that most of the people who have the ability to do something like that also have the restraint to keep from doing it. It's almost as respectable as a martial artist who doesn't go around breaking people left and right, even though he has the power to and could probably find good reason to if being illogical.

False. The U.S did not cause Terrorism. This was a tactic used before we began policing the World, at least at the level that you see today. I would say it is Western Imperialism particularly Europe, who didn't create Terrorism but rather created a new breed of terrorism and an escalation of that new type when they decided to carve out the middle east and allocate it amongst themselves. The U.S is simply the heir to the throne in regards to Imperialism. For the Past 50 years we've escalated terrorism.

I mean the capital T "Terror" that we have a "War" on is a direct result of our power games. But, yeah you're right about the shadow of imperialism.

The sectarianism that threatens to collapse Iraq is a legacy of the Sykes Picot accord that carved up the ottoman empire and created a bunch of failed states That was Britain and France's fault, and now we're stuck with their mess 100 years later.

I'd say our unilateral support for Israel also has the Arab world pretty pissed, being as we're going around "spreading democracy" while we let the Israelis piss all over the occupied territories and fire US made missiles into civilian sectors.

It's sort of a multi-pronged problem, but the people who write foreign policy aren't interested in what's right, they're really only out to protect US interests, so I don't see any real solution in the near future. Unless of course you believe in the international community doing something about it, in which case I say to you "ha ha! good one".

The US caused terrorism by playing the world's policeman for the last 50 years.

They don't just hate us for no reason. We fucked with the whole world, and now everybody wants a piece.

Why do the terrorists hate everyone else then? Why are they targeting India and Spain were all those other countries being world police too?

Yes. Most Western Countries are just like us and that includes Spain and India. They just don't have a significant role as we do. The fact that they are helping us out is enough to anger them. It's like America clumping Terrorist together. Most people see the Lashka, Sadre, Al Qeada, and other terrorists entities as being the same. In fact some people take it further and claim that most if not all Muslims are terrorists. These terrorists are essentially doing the same by clumping all Western Nations with us and in some ways that makes sense. Spain doesn't have that much to do with combating terrorism but they play enough of a role to at least be deemed guilty in the eyes of terrorists. Think of it like this: America is the Sheriff and most other Western Countries like India and Spain are the deputies.

Also you need to consider the ultimate goal of most terrorists and that is to end the U.S empire and attacking our allies may not have as significant of an impact as 9/11 did but it does hurt us. I mean look at the attacks on India. They want us to fall for their trick. They intentionally attacked India to provoke the nation in attacking Pakistan. By doing this Pakistan would fail and that could definitely spread to India. Furthermore because we are allies with India we are going to be involved as well and we would use our resources to help which would affect our already diminishing economy. If Pakistan fails that means India has a good chance of failing and when that happens thats when these terrorist will gain the upper hand because it would weaken the governemnt and give them an opportunity to oust them out of power giving them control of the country. In a sense they're demolitioning a country and trying to take it over and restart with their own terms. That would give them control of nuclear weapons which would give them and upper hand in Afghanistan as well as in India and with us. Because they don't have nuclear weapons we're not afraid to occupy their territories. With nuclear weapons in their hands with the capabilities of being able to launch it on U.S soil or for that matter anywhere, that automatically creates a stalemate and we would have to revamp our response. We will no longer be able to simply invade but rather negociate.

So you see, terrorists are assholes yes and they do hate the Western World but for logical reasons and even if these other Western Countries didn't play a significant role in combating terrorism the result of attacking our allies is detrimental to us.

I'd like to point out that if some dumbfuck mentally-ill kid can walk into a school and blow away thirty+ people before being taken down, any terrorist can do far better. Bush and his buddies aren't protecting us from shit, they've just exaggerated the problem to keep people afraid and looking to them for help.

I seem to recall seeing this referred to as "setting a lion among the sheep, and then killing the lion". Except that the lion really isn't, and the people that set it on us are just taking advantage of the fear that the single attack of 9/11 generated.

He deserves ZERO credit for "keeping us safe".

I'd like to point out that if some dumbfuck mentally-ill kid can walk into a school and blow away thirty+ people before being taken down, any terrorist can do far better. Bush and his buddies aren't protecting us from shit, they've just exaggerated the problem to keep people afraid and looking to them for help.

I seem to recall seeing this referred to as "setting a lion among the sheep, and then killing the lion". Except that the lion really isn't, and the people that set it on us are just taking advantage of the fear that the single attack of 9/11 generated.

He deserves ZERO credit for "keeping us safe".

Unlike every other industrialised country... America is fueled by fear. Fear is what motivates old people to vote for John McCain. It motivates our idiotic backwards Christians (as opposed to the ones with level heads, yes there is a difference) to say things like "Mr. Obama is a muslim!" or let people like Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson, or Pat Robertson have any sort of role in the church. This same fear makes us spend our money in inappropriate ways, trying to buy the biggest and best just because "we can have it". It's irrational and I hate it. I hate the fact that America has become this hollowed out beast, this bully that's about to get socked in the nose.

Bush fucked America economically, whether through simple negligence, or through a deliberate effort on his administration's part.

This economic crisis makes us more vulnerable to our enemies, than not having locks on cockpit doors.

I have taken nothing for GRANITE Mr. Bush gave to this nation. For all he gave, my stated goal is to piss on the man's grave.

Unlike every other industrialised country... America is fueled by fear. Fear is what motivates old people to vote for John McCain. It motivates our idiotic backwards Christians (as opposed to the ones with level heads, yes there is a difference) to say things like "Mr. Obama is a muslim!" or let people like Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson, or Pat Robertson have any sort of role in the church. This same fear makes us spend our money in inappropriate ways, trying to buy the biggest and best just because "we can have it". It's irrational and I hate it. I hate the fact that America has become this hollowed out beast, this bully that's about to get socked in the nose.

A million times ^This.

A million times ^This.

I'm glad we agree. Sorry for our previous engagements.

Aren't you convenietly forgetting about the Anthrax Attacks and Bush's keystone cops harassing an innocent scientist even to the point of running over his foot with their big black SUV? And then paying a whole big bunch of money to the scientist because they were the epitome of ineptitude.

Wow Like act lioke 911 just got by Bush too. Like he has absolutely no resposibility for letting 911 get by the great Administration!

I pity you who holds no value for the truth as you hypothesize about another president who Bush helped to elect.

The truth is that Obama is working harder for this country now, before his inauguration than Bush had up to and including the flight he took away from Washington after he was told that the US was under attack. Remember?

Yes. Let us all give Bush a pass for allowing 911 to happen. It is so much easier for the ones that cannot face the truth as we all know that Bush's actions have made the world a more dangerous place.

Why do you think Al Quaeda is more powerful than ever in Afghanistan? Why do we need a surge of troops for Afghanistan? Why are our own troops being deployed in the US? Well it is not because the US is safer and more secure under Bush.

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Watch this video and tell me about safe and secure

http://vodpod.com/pod/video/1832113

Why do the terrorists hate everyone else then? Why are they targeting India and Spain were all those other countries being world police too?

Are you serious? You know nothing about the border created to separate Pakistan from India? As for Spain, the history of Muslims in Spain is far older than anything we consider Islamic terrorism today. Spain is a history lesson rather than a simple answer as to why there are attacks there.

ehhh....I agree that false terrorist attacks could be used and has been used in that manner from time to time but what your saying is just pure stupidity. Al Qaeda Has existed since the 70's and they are in Syria and have affiliations with Iran. We helped them to defeat the soviets by arming them but in no way shape or form did we create the organization.

That's news. Show me your proof that there was Al Qaida in Syria and Iran. As a matter of fact, CIA supported Bin Laden and his group (at that time they were called Majahideen) in 80's to fight against Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

In 90s, when Soviet Union collapsed and US intelligence turned its resource to deal with Islam countries. Bin Laden has been re-activated as a false flag. He and his group works as a whip for the interest of US intelligence. After 911, Al Qaida becomes a popular name with which US government blame everything on it.

As a matter of fact, Al Qaida was known only after 911 attack. Many didn't hear it before then. Even for Syria president Assadt.

Quote, "A norwegian professor believes al-Qaida is a Pentagon-fiction:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=396241

Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominate. Al Qaida in US when Bush need excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there is no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. No wonder Assad doubt it:

Syrias president questions the existence of al-Qaida:

May 26, 2003
«Syria Denies Existence of Al Qaeda»

«KUWAIT CITY (Talon News) -- Syrian President Bashar Assad revealed in a newspaper interview on Sunday that he does not believe there is a terrorist group called al Qaeda, the organization widely believed to be the perpetrators of the hijackings on September 11, 2001 as well as the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.»

«"Is there really an entity called al Qaeda? It was in Afghanistan, but is it there anymore?" Assad asked.»

«Assad speculated about the existence of al Qaeda and its notorious leader Usama bin Laden in a Kuwaiti newspaper called Al-Anba. »

«Nevertheless, questioning the existence of the al Qaeda terrorist network is very popular in Arab countries. Many people in these countries believe that the United States has hyperbolized the danger of al Qaeda as a means for portraying Muslims as violent and dangerous.»

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2003/may/0526_assad_denial.shtml