http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27989275/

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Those sites are always protected because every car is checked. Ohh wait...

Just a bunch of douchebags with authority issues and big guns standing around for show. No way are they going to stop car bomb attack by just giving everyone a mean face.

This can only provoke a violent response from citizens.

Or they could just stop preventing citizens from bearing arms, in accordance with the 2nd Amendment.

I think this is a direct response to our financial crisis, which leads me to believe it's a lot worse than what officials are claiming. This is obviously a very smart move for them because they don't want to create a massive panic. Think about it. At some point or another we're either going to fail or we're going to have to cut back on spending in every sector, which includes defense spending and military spending around the World. When this happens it's going to reduce our power significantly making our country significantly more prone to a terrorist attack. We've been running amok for 50 years disregarding state soverignty and terrorism is the blow back effect. Now we have many enemies that want to attack us for our otrocities overseas and with our declining economy and military power all of those entities that didn't stand a chance years ago, now have the opportunity to do so.

Personally, I have mixed feelings towards the Military being here. The good part is that it is a good indication that we are slowly resorting to isolationism which for us at this point is probably a smart move. Also if done properly they can be used to protect us from future foreign invasion. On the flip side, however, this could be due to the fact that our government is planning to continue its foreign occupations and start more proxy wars (which I doubt seeing as how we don't have the means). It could also mean that our government is planning to implement unpopular policies or that they expect this financial crisis to move at an all time high. This could be used to combat civil unrest brought to you by our outrage out how the government is handling our problems or it could be used to combat likely terrorist attacks due to our budget cuts.

the smart move for people like you and I is to keep a cool head on this. Quite possibly the scariest thing next to absolute government control is an ignorant and outraged crowd (which pretty much characterizes most everyone in the World). We need to see how this plays out and know exactly why our government is sending in these troops before we react to it. It's only 20,000 troops which is hardly anything so at this point. I would say this is the least of our worries compared to India and Pakistan's relation as well as the Iran and Israel conflict. Depending on how those play out depends on what happens to us so until then keep your heads cool and be rational. Our ultimate goal as citizens isn't to start a violent revolution but rather to bring America back up to its feet without the use of violence.

Or they could just stop preventing citizens from bearing arms, in accordance with the 2nd Amendment.

While cheap and plentiful guns are great for stopping armed invasions, I don't see how this would be able to protect us from car bombs and the like in the short term. Long term it's also great because gun manufacturers get lots of money for R&D and we may see a surge of military enlistments in 5-15 years.

Armed citizens could have been able to stop the 9/11 hijackings, but it wouldn't have stopped Timothy McVeigh.

I think I'm sold on getting a Galil.

get ready for martial law.

I hardly see what isolationism has to with this.

I hardly see what isolationism has to with this.

More soldiers here instead of over there.

More soldiers here instead of over there.

I think you've got the wrong idea here. If we had two million soldiers overseas and three million over here, would you say we've become isolationists? No, I should think not.

I think you've got the wrong idea here. If we had two million soldiers overseas and three million over here, would you say we've become isolationists? No, I should think not.

As opposed to 5 million over there and 0 over here... Yea, that's in no way isolationist. :rolleyes:

Besides, no one said anything about America now being isolationist just because we have 20k soldiers wandering the streets:
we are slowly resorting to isolationism

As opposed to 5 million over there and 0 over here... Yea, that's in no way isolationist. :rolleyes:

Besides, no one said anything about America now being isolationist just because we have 20k soldiers wandering the streets:

argon plasma you are so full of shit.

hummm 20k troops? 2011?
Place your bets for end of the world in 2012 NAO! :D

Ok but seriously, this seems like an odd move for the current administration, granted however 20k troops is not a huge number. Why do we need a disaster reactionary force of that magnitude, and why would the military resign itself to such a role?

While I'm in no way against having the troops home, Im wary about them being on active duty on our own county.

Why not bring 20k troops home and remove them form active duty, then spend the money that it would have cost keeping them active on resources for the national guard and independent organizations mayhaps the red cross.

hummm 20k troops? 2011?
Place your bets for end of the world in 2012 NAO! :D

Ok but seriously, this seems like an odd move for the current administration, granted however 20k troops is not a huge number. Why do we need a disaster reactionary force of that magnitude, and why would the military resign itself to such a role?

While I'm in no way against having the troops home, Im wary about them being on active duty on our own county.

Why not bring 20k troops home and remove them form active duty, then spend the money that it would have cost keeping them active on resources for the national guard and independent organizations mayhaps the red cross.

The pessimistic answer would be because the military could be used for other purposes.

The pessimistic answer would be because the military could be used for other purposes.

That is also the correct answer. There are smarter ways to spend the money and prepare for a disaster. Personally, I would rather see much larger fire departments and rescue teams in every city with better equipment and training. Maybe sponsor some kind of weekend warrior type thing where average joe's are paid decent amounts of money to train with local fire departments on the weekends for disaster response so they can help if shit does really hit the fan. That would stimulate the economy too. Instead of seeing homes devastated by wildfires and waiting for the national guard or someone else to get there to help the citizens would have trained people on hand to help.

Here's food for thought.

The Marxist or Trotskyist view commonly head on the police is that they a tool of the bourgeois, who's purpose is to uphold the interests of the bourgeois, as opposed to us, the working men and women (that means your parents, for some of you).

That is also the correct answer. There are smarter ways to spend the money and prepare for a disaster. Personally, I would rather see much larger fire departments and rescue teams in every city with better equipment and training. Maybe sponsor some kind of weekend warrior type thing where average joe's are paid decent amounts of money to train with local fire departments on the weekends for disaster response so they can help if shit does really hit the fan. That would stimulate the economy too. Instead of seeing homes devastated by wildfires and waiting for the national guard or someone else to get there to help the citizens would have trained people on hand to help.

I have nothing to say in this thread other than the fact that this is one of the best ideas I have ever heard...

- Tom

I have nothing to say in this thread other than the fact that this is one of the best ideas I have ever heard...

- Tom

It is a great idea, but would be an insurance and litigation nightmare. America isn't responsible enough for this program. :(

It is a great idea, but would be an insurance and litigation nightmare. America isn't responsible enough for this program. :(

Care to explain how it would be an insurance nightmare? I can only see insurance companies winning from all the saved homes and lives.

Care to explain how it would be an insurance nightmare? I can only see insurance companies winning from all the saved homes and lives.

Because now they have every jackass who thinks he has a big dick running into burning buildings and other shit like that.

Because now they have every jackass who thinks he has a big dick running into burning buildings and other shit like that.

Maybe if more of these assholes were trained to handle the situation they wouldn't have to worry about that anymore either. I'm pretty sure I said the volunteers should be trained.

All of that is beside the point. I've been told that using your fists or your money to solve a problem isn't really solving the problem most of the time. You have to actually sit down and think for a minute. Our government has a tendency to make quick and stupid decisions. That is why we see them throwing trillions of dollars away on stupid shit so fast. That is why we see them bombing shit, kicking in doors, and arresting people for stupid reasons so often. If anyone in office would just pull their head out of their ass and think about improving the lives of everyone then this world would be a hell of a lot better. Think of all the money wasted on Iraq. Think about what that could have done towards fighting poverty, the root cause of most of the worlds social ills.

I am disturbed by how blind people are when they start believing the shit they see on tv. Why the fuck would you need soldiers for a disaster? A wise person should call things by their true name. Soldier's are killers. As trained killers they could only be a threat to us. If you want to help sick people you give them medication, vaccines and such if there is a pandemic. If you want to help wounded people you give them healers such as doctors and paramedics. If you want to help with fires and natural disasters you send firemen and the like. If you want people killed you send them soldiers. Say hello to our new enforcers. Now if they want something done they can place their killers in front of anyone who would think about stopping them. Don't want a national ID card? Too bad because the guys with the guns are either taking you in or mowing you down. Don't want a curfew, your homes randomly searched, censorship?

I say get ready for occupation. Draw the sand in the line and prepare yourself. What is it that is going to cause the ticking bomb inside of you to go off? Is it the first time you are arrested for talking about something illegal over the phone while it was being 'randomly monitored?' Is it going to be a national ID card? A curfew? Completely losing your right to refuse a search of your car? Losing the right to refuse the search of your person? I guess you can try to prevent it from happening. I personally think you might as well get ready and be the quiet one they never saw coming.

Maybe if more of these assholes were trained to handle the situation they wouldn't have to worry about that anymore either. I'm pretty sure I said the volunteers should be trained.

It is a requirement to have hunter safety courses in order to go hunting. People still shoot themselves and shoot others.