Proof that no discussion anywhere within this forum will get anyone anywhere except a large headache.

You can't prove or disprove any God or Religion or Athiesm, you Can't prove or disprove reality even on it's basis that it exists outside your own mind. (The mind isn't even physical.)


The only thing talked about in this forum that CAN be believable, is that people pay more attention to grammer then fucking talking about religion.

Athiesm will get you no where.

Religion will trap you in restrictions.

I have to say the only thing that will free you is Meditation, your own belief system on what you think is right WITHOUT any guidance AT ALL from ANYONE else on how you should live your life and what you should and shouldn't believe in, or just be spiritual.


Athiesm believes there's no God, but also, anything that could possibly bring up any subject of the possibility of God being completely thrown out of thought. Which includes: Us all being one, everything being made of energy which yet again would make everything one, there being a collective conciousness, or that perhaps other dimensions may exist that were not aware of, *Alien life, etc.

There are too many religions to specify the restrictions on them.

Guiding on your own beliefs with meditation, etc. will allow you to explore all possibilities.

*I realize some athiests believe in Alien life, but generally most athiests I've met at against it, as well as most religion fanatics, but then again there's just no difference between the two sometimes.

**** GRAMMER IF you see anything wrong, seriously stfu on ****ing grammer.

Just remember though, whatever you believe in, your right, because we all may be wrong.

It's exactly that thinking which pisses me off. So you are saying that all opinion's, no matter how stupid are equall simply because you can't prove or disprove anything? That's like saying that the belief that 1+1=2 is on the same level with the belief that the entire human race was concieved by two humans in a horribly incestous orgy. Just because you can't disprove something doesn't make it valid and just because you can dissmis existance as an "illusion" doesn't mean you have to tolerate a backward's society where all progress is nullified by a total inability to establish definitive fact's and beliefs.

grammer
It's spelled grammar. And I think people care more about spelling here.

Proof that no discussion anywhere within this forum will get anyone anywhere except a large headache.

You can't prove or disprove any God or Religion or Athiesm, you Can't prove or disprove reality even on it's basis that it exists outside your own mind. (The mind isn't even physical.)


The only thing talked about in this forum that CAN be believable, is that people pay more attention to grammer then fucking talking about religion.

Athiesm will get you no where.

Religion will trap you in restrictions.

I have to say the only thing that will free you is Meditation, your own belief system on what you think is right WITHOUT any guidance AT ALL from ANYONE else on how you should live your life and what you should and shouldn't believe in, or just be spiritual.


Athiesm believes there's no God, but also, anything that could possibly bring up any subject of the possibility of God being completely thrown out of thought. Which includes: Us all being one, everything being made of energy which yet again would make everything one, there being a collective conciousness, or that perhaps other dimensions may exist that were not aware of, *Alien life, etc.

There are too many religions to specify the restrictions on them.

Guiding on your own beliefs with meditation, etc. will allow you to explore all possibilities.

*I realize some athiests believe in Alien life, but generally most athiests I've met at against it, as well as most religion fanatics, but then again there's just no difference between the two sometimes.

**** GRAMMER IF you see anything wrong, seriously stfu on ****ing grammer.

Just remember though, whatever you believe in, your right, because we all may be wrong.

That's just a polysyllabic elaboration of societal social construction

You can't prove or disprove any God or Religion or Athiesm,
You can't prove anything outside of mathematics and logic. Atheism is just not having belief in God/gods; there's nothing to prove or disprove. There is lots of evidence that an omnipotent, omniscient god is illogical and that various religions are full of shit.


Athiesm will get you no where.
Again, atheism is just non-belief in God/gods; it isn't meant to get you anywhere. Rational thought that leads to atheism in those indoctrinated with nonsense will you get you somewhere.

There is lots of evidence that an omnipotent, omniscient god is illogical and that various religions are full of shit.

Lots of evidence that proves there is.

There is lots of evidence that an omnipotent, omniscient god is illogical and that various religions are full of shit.

Lots of evidence that proves there is.

And OP, this thread is "For discussing any and all religious viewpoints." Not proving someone elses beliefs invalid.

It's spelled grammar. And I think people care more about spelling here.

Agreed.

If a poster can't be bothered to proofread and edit his or her own post, I can't be bothered to take it seriously.

OP's half-assed attempt at pre-emptive defensiveness borders on arrogance.

A generic concept of a God cannot be disproven.

But if you define what that God is well enough, some things may not add up, and point to what you have defined as God, as being bullshit.

Example:

Christian God is all powerful, omni-everything.

"Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it"

It is a catch 22 that serves to prove one thing....................all powerful is impossible. If he can make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, now he cannot lift the rock, and thus, is not all powerful. If he cannot make a rock that heavy, then that is a power he does not have, and is not all powerful.

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So if you want a God, when you dream him/her up, don't make it all powerful, b/c it is a dead give away to your God being a fucking lie.

Athiesm believes there's no God, but also, anything that could possibly bring up any subject of the possibility of God being completely thrown out of thought. Which includes: Us all being one, everything being made of energy which yet again would make everything one, there being a collective conciousness, or that perhaps other dimensions may exist that were not aware of, *Alien life, etc.


This is wrong.

The original Greek term used when God is describe as Omnipotent is "All Mighty." There are things he cannot do. Heb 12:18?(I think) tells us that it is impossible for God to lie. Other scriptures which escape me, state that God cannot try anyone (as in causing harm to someone as a test.) and others which show that God's all power is limited due to his guiding qualities. His love and Justice namely.

It all depends on your definition of All Mighty. In my eyes God is all mighty, he can't create matter, life, existence. But he cannot do things that are against his will or moral. Like lie, or cause injustice.

IMO, God can do anything that is in accord with his will. Microwaving a burrito isn't his purpose :P

This is wrong.

hah i agree!

The original Greek term used when God is describe as Omnipotent is "All Mighty." There are things he cannot do. Heb 12:18?(I think) tells us that it is impossible for God to lie. Other scriptures which escape me, state that God cannot try anyone (as in causing harm to someone as a test.) and others which show that God's all power is limited due to his guiding qualities. His love and Justice namely.

It all depends on your definition of All Mighty. In my eyes God is all mighty, he can't create matter, life, existence. But he cannot do things that are against his will or moral. Like lie, or cause injustice.

IMO, God can do anything that is in accord with his will. Microwaving a burrito isn't his purpose :P

This man speaks the truth.

It is what it is.

Hugs for all.

The original Greek term used when God is describe as Omnipotent is "All Mighty." There are things he cannot do. Heb 12:18?(I think) tells us that it is impossible for God to lie.

Job 42:1-2
Then Job answered the LORD, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing....

Matthew 19:26, Mark 10:27
With God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Luke 18:27
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Revelation 19:6
The Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

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So which scripture is bullshit?

Is yours bullshit, and God is all powerful, thus impossible and a lie.

Or are mine bullshit, and God's book is incorrect?

Either way, the religion's truthiness (thanks colbert) does not look good.

"Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it"


God's power is infinite. God can make a rock of infinite weight. God can lift a rock of infinite weight. Building a rock that he couldn't lift would only get the poor bugger building a rock for eternity- stuck in a loop.

Dimensions are not places there is only one universe and that is matter I'm really really tired of these terrified bumfuck theistic faggots saying shit like that. A dimension is simply a unit of measurement, shape, coordinate, etc. God I hate Hollywood for giving these new-agers a beacon of false hope.

Dimensions are not places there is only one universe and that is matter I'm really really tired of these terrified bumfuck theistic faggots saying shit like that. A dimension is simply a unit of measurement, shape, coordinate, etc. God I hate Hollywood for giving these new-agers a beacon of false hope.

Yes, like the geometrical dimensions of length, width, height. You could even imagine "time" as a forth dimension to be applied to the first three, as one version of three dimensional space changes into another version with the passage of time.

Hell, for all you know, there may be more dimensions to reality which you are not even aware of! There may be a fifth dimension in which the "line" of the forth dimension branches off in another direction; similar to the second dimension branching off of the first. There may be a sixth dimension where these multiple branches can connect, much like we can think of a three dimensional object as being made up of "slices" from the second dimension.

And if these higher dimensions actually exist, then alternate three dimensional realities would exist along side each other, unaware that they are not alone.

And could God make something more powerful then God? God is that thing. The eternal infinite.

You need to go back to high school.

Wow, look at this. Heres a theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory) which includes 11 dimensions to reality.

However, this (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php) philosophy better explains what I was describing as a definite possibility.

1Job 42:1-2
Then Job answered the LORD, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing....

2Matthew 19:26, Mark 10:27
With God all things are possible.

3Luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

4Luke 18:27
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

5Revelation 19:6
The Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


1Job before writing that was not putting faith in God, claiming that he was causing hardships for him (Satan was the cause as found in Job 1) After God pulled through for Job giving him strength and blessing him spiritually and materially. Job was amazed at the power and wisdom of God. Like a son idolizing his father "Is there anything you can't do?"

2The words Jesus spoke should not be taken literally but rather in context. Jesus was telling his disciples that it would be hard for a rich man to enter into Gods kingdom. His disciples were shocked since most of the ruling class were wealthy they responded "who then can be saved." Jesus then responded with those words. This should not apply to every situation but rather in Gods salvation works.

3Taken out of context. An angel was telling Mary that she would conceive a child without a man. She said how would this be possible. The angle responded with the quote.

4 Same account as 2

5 Can be translated Almighty. Although same thing but Almighty might make more sense.


Neither my scriptures or your scripture are bullshit but rather your reasoning in bullshit. If your going to prove me wrong using the scriptures your going to have to try a lot harder than that unless you want to keep making yourself look like a dick.

Wait that wasn't fair, you reminded me of Colbert for some lolz.

2The words Jesus spoke should not be taken literally but rather in context. Jesus was telling his disciples that it would be hard for a rich man to enter into Gods kingdom. His disciples were shocked since most of the ruling class were wealthy they responded "who then can be saved." Jesus then responded with those words. This should not apply to every situation but rather in Gods salvation works.

3Taken out of context. An angel was telling Mary that she would conceive a child without a man. She said how would this be possible. The angle responded with the quote.

4 Same account as 2

In these three accounts, someone basically asks "How can God do that" and the response IS....."God can do ANYTHING". There is no reason in ANY CONTEXT for any of these folks in your scripture to answer with "God can do anything", when someone asks them if/how God can do A particular thing.

Except to inform the reader, God can do anything.

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The context is practically irrelevant. I can show you my reasoning, without even talking about the context you provided (virgin birth, salvation, etc.) which means your entire response was meaningless.

Question: "How can you do X"

Answer: "I can do anything"

NOW, you suggest that the answer there ONLY applies to X?

Bulllshit.

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If you think you are going to threaten me with the possibilty of looking like a dick, in hopes that I will not speak my mind, and tear through your bullshit with simple logic, you are mistaken.

Neither my scriptures or your scripture are bullshit but rather your reasoning in bullshit.

I find it funny when someone tells me what I am suggesting is bullshit rather than showing it to be the case. It is much easier to just say it, isn't it? Continue taking that easy path, and let me know if you manage come up with anything that shows my reasoning to be bullshit.

10 seconds left in a hockey game where the penguins are down one and Crosby has the puck in the neutral zone.

Fan one: Oh no it's just impossible!
Fan two: Relax, Crosby makes all things possible.


Given the situation context is very important. Oops hold on...


Question: "How can you do X"

Answer: "I can do anything"

NOW, you suggest that the answer there ONLY applies to X?



Oh, I guess Crosby can do everything. *eye roll*
I fail to see your logic.

Doesn't even matter as we are trying to put human limitations on a spirit.

Job 34:10 - Far be it from God to do evil, from the Almighty [or Omnipotent] to do wrong. (New International Translation)

So how many times would fan 1 tell fan 2 that Crosby can do anything, on a myraid of different subjects, before fan 2 began to think fan 1 really thought Crosby can LITERALLY do anything?

Would fan 2 EVER think it?

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There is no reason in ANY CONTEXT for any of these folks in your scripture to answer with "God can do anything", when someone asks them if/how God can do A particular thing.

Except to inform the reader, God can do anything.

Unless, I contend, the angels were exaggerating about the abilities of God, like a sportsfan might, when talking to Mary.

So your answer is then, everyone who said God is all powerful, was just exaggerating?

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If you really studied the bible, you would realize how many more outragous subjective excuses YOU have to make, in order for this book to STILL be a divine work, by YOU. I have a feeling you would make all those excuses and more, rather than let go.

I fail to see your logic.

I know you have failed to see it.

Which explains why, after comparing Angels to exagerating hocky fans, you follow up with......

Doesn't even matter as we are trying to put human limitations on a spirit.

A tradiontal MGCBTSOOYG cop-out.

Well played, sir.

Yes, like the geometrical dimensions of length, width, height. You could even imagine "time" as a forth dimension to be applied to the first three, as one version of three dimensional space changes into another version with the passage of time.

Hell, for all you know, there may be more dimensions to reality which you are not even aware of! There may be a fifth dimension in which the "line" of the forth dimension branches off in another direction; similar to the second dimension branching off of the first. There may be a sixth dimension where these multiple branches can connect, much like we can think of a three dimensional object as being made up of "slices" from the second dimension.

And if these higher dimensions actually exist, then alternate three dimensional realities would exist along side each other, unaware that they are not alone.

And could God make something more powerful then God? God is that thing. The eternal infinite.

Breaking news: science has just fuckin discovered string theory : thats right there are now 10 dimensions.

So like i guess that 3 dimensional shit wasnt very truthful huh?

Breaking news: science has just fuckin discovered string theory : thats right there are now 10 dimensions.

So like i guess that 3 dimensional shit wasnt very truthful huh?

It certainly is possible that there are more then three dimensions. That is exactly what I was saying.

So what's with your bitchy attitude? Didn't actually read my post?

It certainly is possible that there are more then three dimensions. That is exactly what I was saying.

So what's with your bitchy attitude? Didn't actually read my post?

I actually read your post, you just fuck me off.

gay thread, it's crap like this that makes me not want to read this forum

I actually read your post, you just fuck me off.

Ain't that a shame.

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There is no reason in ANY CONTEXT for any of these folks in your scripture to answer with "God can do anything", when someone asks them if/how God can do A particular thing.

Except to inform the reader, God can do anything.

Unless, I contend, the angels were exaggerating about the abilities of God, like a sportsfan might, when talking to Mary.

So your answer is then, everyone who said God is all powerful, was just exaggerating?

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If you really studied the bible, you would realize how many more outragous subjective excuses YOU have to make, in order for this book to STILL be a divine work, by YOU. I have a feeling you would make all those excuses and more, rather than let go.


I don't make the excuses, the Bible does. If verse 1 has two interpretations, A and B, A must be correct because B is invalidated by another verse or the context OR A is valid because there is more backing in other scriptures.

If one has a complete understanding of the theme of the Bible or a solid grasp of the personality of God its easy to interpret scriptures based on knowledge of previous scriptures.

going back a bit

that God cannot try anyone (as in causing harm to someone as a test.

the whole book of job was deepfrying a man to see if he would remain loyal to his god.

god: see he is happy
Satan: only cos you give him everything
god: ok then, we totally fuck him over and i bet he will remain loyal.
satan: haha fuck no. your on.

long story short, job gets fucked. what a nice way to treat a follower.

god: see he is happy
Satan: only cos you give him everything
god: ok then, we totally fuck him over and i bet he will remain loyal.
satan: haha fuck no. your on.

long story short, job gets fucked. what a nice way to treat a follower.

lol, you should teach bible school

What's funny is in the bible it doesn't say anywhere that God is a good god.

If God is everything, he is satan, itself, reality, you, me, the stars, universe, bad, good, EVERYTHING, and nothing.

Doesn't that make sense?

What's funny is in the bible it doesn't say anywhere that God is a good god.

If God is everything, he is satan, itself, reality, you, me, the stars, universe, bad, good, EVERYTHING, and nothing.

Doesn't that make sense?

Removed on the basis of being an arrogant and asshole retort.

...belief that the entire human race was concieved by two humans in a horribly incestous orgy


Since when does an orgy consist of only 2 people?

Since when does an orgy consist of only 2 people?

It obviously wasn't incest until Adam and Eve had children. Then, it would be an incestuous orgy between all different generations of their descendants.

Retard.

Nihilism is for angsty teen faggots. If all beliefs are equally invalid, then a nihilist removes all reason to call out anyone else on any belief. They can only claim to be interested or uninterested. By claiming that all beliefs are invalid, you are practicing objectivity. Once you're practicing objectivity, nihilism is as much up to scrutiny as any other belief.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2870039/150675048

Obbe: It is irrelevant how many dimensions exist as we ourselves exist in every dimension. We, for all intents and purposes, exist in every dimension, but without our hypothesis and theories we ourselves cannot observe it. For people living in the "sixth" dimension which is like 2x3D, they still exist in the same planes that we do as matter will occupy all dimensions.

Obbe: It is irrelevant how many dimensions exist as we ourselves exist in every dimension. We, for all intents and purposes, exist in every dimension, but without our hypothesis and theories we ourselves cannot observe it. For people living in the "sixth" dimension which is like 2x3D, they still exist in the same planes that we do as matter will occupy all dimensions.

That was good until the 2x3d, that could've been said alittle better. he's got a point though, however how we exist in every dimension is only without time, because with time that wouldn't be possible. Though since time is only an illusion, were hindered to believe that we can't exist outside where we are right now. Even though you can look back on a memory, and re-live it even, there's nothing saying your not actually going back to that time and being there again for that moment.