I dated this girl a long time ago and things ended really bad. But we are friends now, and she said she has gone back to her religion Jehovas Witness. I think she is abiding by all the rules. I told her Happy Birthday, and she told me she doesn't celebrate her birthday!

I know they can't have sex outside of marriage, so does this mean no dating?? Do they really not have any sex?

I tried to ask her out and she said she doesn't date. I thought she was lying, but I researched it and she may be telling the truth.

So if they don't date how do they get to the marriage thing?? I'm confused. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

I can shed much light onto anything anyone needs to know about Jehovahs (spelt with a H) witnesses. As I wasn't raised as one much of my family is included all grandparents, several aunts, uncles, one sister, cousins, and alot of extended family. All of my family gatherings include at least one.

Anyways, How old is this girl? Is she Baptized or just studying?

Your either in the religion or not. There are no halfs or Jehovah Witnesses in name only. If there are some who claim to be one but behaviors say otherwise they are not. They may have just been raised as one or studied with them for a bit. But it is safe to assume that your girl is a follower because of the birthday things and refusing to date.

They really don't have sex before marriage, most young ones get married in early twenties. Maybe this is to have sex or because lots don't go to college they mature fast, I dunno.

Anyways, She could not be going out with you because of two things. She is too young or not ready for marriage in which there would be no point in dating as dating is only used to find a mate. OR she may not want to date you because of your non-christian lifestyle.

Somewhere in the Bible is suggests to marry only in the lord. She marring within the religion would be a lot easier than marring outside because of things like holidays with kids, going to "meetings"(church), etc. Although it is not a sin or anything to marry outside she could face some opposition from parents or the congregation.

expanding on what John Deer said.

At least one reason would be that marrying you would not be"marrying into the lord" and they probably see making an association with a non-believer is threatening to their relationship with God.

either that or she just doesn't like you.

Well first of all Jehovah Witness is pretty much a cult and they just brain wash people. If you really like this girl you should try too get her away from Jehovah witness and shit like that help her become her own person not some sheep

Well first of all Jehovah Witness is pretty much a cult and they just brain wash people. If you really like this girl you should try too get her away from Jehovah witness and shit like that help her become her own person not some sheep

Dont you think you're being a little presumptive?

Youre using very strong and loaded words.

I would love to see this evidence that Jehovah's witnesses brainwash people; i believe you simply have an incorrect definition of brainwashed- and according to your definition their are many things this apply to.

For example i could say that people are being brainwashed into atheism by a society that rejects spiritual consciousness. That is the effect that is happening for sure- but its very unfair that i am stereotyping people by saying there beliefs are unjustified; and not internally motivated - rather they have ended up with those beliefs through some external source.

Any smart person dislikes this going on; because an uninformed decision is a wrong decision no matter what the outcomes.

WHO THE FUCK are you to say this lady has not come to her world view from an intrinsic motivation?

I can shed much light onto anything anyone needs to know about Jehovahs (spelt with a H) witnesses. As I wasn't raised as one much of my family is included all grandparents, several aunts, uncles, one sister, cousins, and alot of extended family. All of my family gatherings include at least one.

Anyways, How old is this girl? Is she Baptized or just studying?

Your either in the religion or not. There are no halfs or Jehovah Witnesses in name only. If there are some who claim to be one but behaviors say otherwise they are not. They may have just been raised as one or studied with them for a bit. But it is safe to assume that your girl is a follower because of the birthday things and refusing to date.

They really don't have sex before marriage, most young ones get married in early twenties. Maybe this is to have sex or because lots don't go to college they mature fast, I dunno.

Anyways, She could not be going out with you because of two things. She is too young or not ready for marriage in which there would be no point in dating as dating is only used to find a mate. OR she may not want to date you because of your non-christian lifestyle.

Somewhere in the Bible is suggests to marry only in the lord. She marring within the religion would be a lot easier than marring outside because of things like holidays with kids, going to "meetings"(church), etc. Although it is not a sin or anything to marry outside she could face some opposition from parents or the congregation.


I already dated this girl and I slept with her. I had no idea she was jehovas witness until last week.

She is divorced and she said her hubby cheated on her.

She said she has been jehovas witness all her life but she left her religion for a long time. She has just decided to go back to it.

I've been trying to go out with her again but she is rejecting me. It ended pretty bad with her going psycho on me.

We are not young, in the late twenties.

Many cults utilize the most primordial basic instinct that all life possesses....the drive to procreate.

All the mainstream successful cults have (christianity, muslims, etc.). Jehovas Witnesses are simply using part of a winning formula.

Again, the drive to reproduce is the common thread that links ALL LIFE. It is that powerful. Now if you can't fuck, b/c the women of your community won't fuck you unless you sacrifice your goats, tithe your money, and worship a zombie, pretty soon you will be out some livestock, some cash, and wasting your Sunday mornings.

I already dated this girl and I slept with her. I had no idea she was jehovas witness until last week.

She is divorced and she said her hubby cheated on her.

She said she has been jehovas witness all her life but she left her religion for a long time. She has just decided to go back to it.

I've been trying to go out with her again but she is rejecting me. It ended pretty bad with her going psycho on me.

We are not young, in the late twenties.

Go to her church during service, and tell the congregation you wish to join but first you have something the lord told you to confess in a dream...

Proceed to talk about fucking her, apologize and beg her, the church, the husband and the lord's fogiveness and see what happens. Hypocrisy will win the day.

The amount of ignorance here is amazing. One of the above posters said that all mainstream religions are cults?

First, Jehovah Witnesses are not a cult. At least not in the way as people here are using it. They are a cult in the Christian definition of the term, which is not conforming to mainstream Christianity believes. So +1 to the Jo Ho's. All their shit comes straight from the Bible. The difference between them and other Christian religions is 1) They bring all their shit from the Bible, 2) they practice what they preach. Other religions either make stuff up or are hypocrites.

Anyways, OP I suggest you talk to the girl about her faith, what that means for the relationship, what you can do to date her, etc. Ask her those questions. If she doesn't want to even talk to you then fuck her.

If you want to date her long term than that might mean not having sex until your married. If you want to bone her, then there are tons of other women who will do it before marriage, but probably not her.

She won't date me anymore. She wasn't a practicing witness when we dated.

Plus I did the worse possible thing in front of her. I smoked weed and got drunk before I fucked her. And I got her to smoke too.

I think she was so messed up emotionally from her divorce she went along with it. Then we hanged out after that and she went psycho on me and threw me out in the middle of the night.

She must have thought I was satan.

She just told me last week about going back to this religion. I had no idea why she was so crazy until now.

She won't date me anymore. She wasn't a practicing witness when we dated.

Plus I did the worse possible thing in front of her. I smoked weed and got drunk before I fucked her. And I got her to smoke too.

I think she was so messed up emotionally from her divorce she went along with it. Then we hanged out after that and she went psycho on me and threw me out in the middle of the night.

She must have thought I was satan.

She just told me last week about going back to this religion. I had no idea why she was so crazy until now.

I understood the first part but you shed a little more light into her thinking.

Shes probably like all women, illogical and emotion :P.

So whats your question now? I believe I answered everything in your OP right?

Jehovas Witnesses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_HjZEyTQp4

3.01 - 7-22

They use to come around from time to time some time ago "3 times, least its not a 7 HL2 time thing, lol"

Nothing bad, meh.

I understood the first part but you shed a little more light into her thinking.

Shes probably like all women, illogical and emotion :P.

So whats your question now? I believe I answered everything in your OP right?


Yeah, thanks. We are just friends now and we chat online and email each other but she said she won't go out with me again because she "has reasons"

Well, she just told me about the religion thing last week. So it explains a whole year of nutty behavior.

Now she just plays mind games. Like just now, I logged into messenger and she was there. And as soon as I talk to her she logs out.

She's a mind game master. Oh, we work at the same place too. That's fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_HjZEyTQp4

That Guy is hilarious. I agree with him on the nice people part, especially the old man in the video. Reminds me of my in his 90's grandpa who preaches with zeal. My aunt tells me half of the people who he goes to don't care about the religion they just wanna talk to this beast of a 90 year old. lol.

"I don't agree with their faith thought. "cult" "cult" "cult" - The guy in the video
I first doubt he ever looked into the faith or gave anything more than a glance over to the articles. And see above about it not being a cult.

They only "shun" when someone has been baptized and then gone astray. If you get baptized you believe in the religion and want to dedicate your life to God, OR are an idiot for getting baptized into something you don't want to do then bitch when you wonder why people are shunning you. I know, my cousin used to fall into the 2nd category.

That Guy is hilarious. I agree with him on the nice people part, especially the old man in the video. Reminds me of my in his 90's grandpa who preaches with zeal. My aunt tells me half of the people who he goes to don't care about the religion they just wanna talk to this beast of a 90 year old. lol.

"I don't agree with their faith thought. "cult" "cult" "cult" - The guy in the video
I first doubt he ever looked into the faith or gave anything more than a glance over to the articles. And see above about it not being a cult.

They only "shun" when someone has been baptized and then gone astray. If you get baptized you believe in the religion and want to dedicate your life to God, OR are an idiot for getting baptized into something you don't want to do then bitch when you wonder why people are shunning you. I know, my cousin used to fall into the 2nd category.

That video was funny as hell. So is she "shunning" me?

She might be avoiding you to avoid feelings, or something like that. A better question to ask is, "Why, if it ended with her going psycho on you, do you want to go back?"

And yes, JW is a cult. They have their communal homes for those working for their publishing company to produce the pamphlets everyone is thinks of. They are encouraged to break of communications with members of their family who are not Witnesses. There are a ton of accounts of suicides within the community that are akin to scientology (not to say the two are alike in any other fashion, they're just both cults). Also, just so we understand, they are a cult in both meanings, one which encompasses all religion and also the one which encapsulates only those who are outside of the mainstream.

If you want to know more, just look around for some literature, and you'll find it. Also in there you'll find stuff about not receiving whole blood donations because it says not to in the bible. Most of their "laws" are set up like that. However, I have yet to read in the bible, "no blood donations". They have also started to accept fractions of blood.....tons of hypocrisy, maybe they aren't too far off from mainstream christianity.,,,

No, no. What he was talking about in his video was a term called disfellowshipping. Its where they "shun" a former believer that has gone astray. Maybe this happened to your girl when wasn't a practicing Jehovah Witness. But you have to be baptized first.

A disfellowed person is worse than a non-believer like yourself because they dedicated themselves to God and then turned their back on God and the fellow worshipers.

Its a topic of controversy.

No, no. What he was talking about in his video was a term called disfellowshipping. Its where they "shun" a former believer that has gone astray. Maybe this happened to your girl when wasn't a practicing Jehovah Witness. But you have to be baptized first.

A disfellowed person is worse than a non-believer like yourself because they dedicated themselves to God and then turned their back on God and the fellow worshipers.

Its a topic of controversy.

So they let you come back after you leave the religion for 6 years? That's what she did.

I don't know if she was shunned. But I do think she married and divorced a non JW....

So they let you come back after you leave the religion for 6 years? That's what she did.

I don't know if she was shunned. But I do think she married and divorced a non JW....

Marring outside the faith is discouraged but someone will not get disfellowshipped for it. They only get DFed if they commit a gross sin as defined by the new testament. They include adultery or fornication, stealing, murder, drunkenness, etc. They MUST be done repeatedly and without repentance. Its not easy to get DFed and only really happens if they person doesn't want to be part of the religion.

They can just stop preaching and stop going to the Kingdom Hall, possibly like your girl even for 6 years, and they will not get DFed unless they repeatedly and unrepentantly sin. I forget what its called if you stop preaching and going to the Kingdom Hall but its not nearly as bad at the level of disfellowshipping.

And FYI if SHE divorced him and not the other way around he must have had sex outside the marriage wither before or after the divorce in order for her to be able to remarry as a JW.

Adultery is the only grounds for divorce.

Marring outside the faith is discouraged but someone will not get disfellowshipped for it. They only get DFed if they commit a gross sin as defined by the new testament. They include adultery or fornication, stealing, murder, drunkenness, etc. They MUST be done repeatedly and without repentance. Its not easy to get DFed and only really happens if they person doesn't want to be part of the religion.

They can just stop preaching and stop going to the Kingdom Hall, possibly like your girl even for 6 years, and they will not get DFed unless they repeatedly and unrepentantly sin. I forget what its called if you stop preaching and going to the Kingdom Hall but its not nearly as bad at the level of disfellowshipping.

And FYI if SHE divorced him and not the other way around he must have had sex outside the marriage wither before or after the divorce in order for her to be able to remarry as a JW.

Adultery is the only grounds for divorce.


Apparently he did cheat on her, thats why they divorced.

She came from another country and I found out she married this guy really fast , probably so she could stay in the US and get a greencard.

I wonder if he made her wait for sex until they got married.


Do all JW's have to preach to non JW's and try to convert them?

Do they all go door to door?

I wonder if this girl will try to convert me since we are friends. She opened the door to it by telling me about it last week.

She asked me what religion I am, I told her Christian. She said "ok"

What the hell does "ok" mean, she approves?

Do all JW's have to preach to non JW's and try to convert them?

Do they all go door to door?

I wonder if this girl will try to convert me since we are friends. She opened the door to it by telling me about it last week.

She asked me what religion I am, I told her Christian. She said "ok"

What the hell does "ok" mean, she approves?

Him having sex outside marriage breaks the marriage in the eyes of God and allows her to get remarried.

They all preach. They offer Bible Studies, converting is a bonus but their main objective is to "hollowed by thy name." or "let your name be sanctified" and to "preach this good news to all the nations."

Door to door is there main way of preaching, so yes.

She might talk about it informally but if you refuse she probably won't...I dunno.

lol I don't know what "ok" means either. She may be saying "ok" so she can get ready to so you the paganism in your form of "Christianity???" I don't know.

The amount of ignorance here is amazing. One of the above posters said that all mainstream religions are cults?

I say cult, you think Jim Jones, and I am the ignorant one?

The term "cult" first appeared in English in 1617, derived from the French culte, meaning "worship" or "a particular form of worship" which in turn originated from the Latin word cultus meaning "care, cultivation, worship," originally "tended, cultivated," also the past participle of colere "to till the soil". In French, for example, sections in newspapers giving the schedule of worship at Catholic churches are headed Culte Catholique; the section giving the schedule of Protestant churches is headed culte réformé.

REALLY IMPORTANT SHIT RIGHT HERE....
Among the observances in the cult are rituals, ceremonies, liturgy or audits, which may involve spoken or sung words, and often involve personal sacrifice. Other manifestations of the cult of a deity are the preservation of relics or the creation of images, such as icons (usually connoting a flat painted image) or three-dimensional cultic images, denigrated as "idols", and the specification of sacred places, hilltops and mountains, fissures and caves, springs, pools and groves, or even individual trees or stones, which may be the seat of an oracle or the venerated site of a vision, apparition, miracle or other occurrence commemorated or recreated in cult practices. Sacred places may be identified and elaborated by construction of shrines and temples, on which are centered public attention at religious festivals and which may become the center for pilgrimages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_(religious_practice)

The above paragraph seems to indicate that all mainstream religions, are cults. The Abrhamic religions all have "sacred places that are identified and elaborated by constructions of shrines and temples, on which are centered public attention at religious festivals and which may become the center for pilgrimages", to give just one example of what the orginal use for the word cult was.

Derived from the latin cultus meaning to care. This is the reason the root word is found in words like cultivate.

The meaning "devotion to a person or thing" is from 1829. Starting about 1920, "cult" acquired an additional six or more connotatively positive and negative definitions that are separately discussed in other articles.

So which of the six or more connotatively postitive and negative definitions are we using here before we throw words like "Ignorant" around?

I assume that most religious people would like to restrict the word as a negative, and place it on smaller offshoots of religions, so as to make their own seem somehow superior, when they all have roughly the same evidence (none) and are in fact equal in that regard.

I won't do that, I feel it would be ignorant to do so.

I wrongly assumed you were using it in the way CosmicZombie used it. The way it has been being used since the 1950s. That is a group who devote themselves to a human ruler, one who manipulates its small group of followers and promotes living by unorthodox means.

The way you used it is like the world book encyclopedia defined it, traditionally. “Traditionally, the term cult referred to any form of worship or ritual observance.” Then yes all religions or even further habits, addictions are a form of a cult.

Excuse me for assuming you were using a words most common definition.

Excuse me for assuming you were using a words most common definition.

I care not for the commonality and will repeat why:

I assume that most religious people would like to restrict the word as a negative, and place it on smaller offshoots of religions, so as to make their own seem somehow superior, when they all have roughly the same evidence (none) and are in fact equal in that regard.

I won't do that, I feel it would be ignorant to do so.

Yea great.

But it does confuse the majority of people when you use a word meaning something other than its most obvious definition. To most people today a "cult" is NOT what you mention above. It is what I assumed you were talking about its not my fault.

Anyways, no point in arguing just a misunderstanding.

That Guy is hilarious. I agree with him on the nice people part, especially the old man in the video. Reminds me of my in his 90's grandpa who preaches with zeal. My aunt tells me half of the people who he goes to don't care about the religion they just wanna talk to this beast of a 90 year old. lol.

"I don't agree with their faith thought. "cult" "cult" "cult" - The guy in the video
I first doubt he ever looked into the faith or gave anything more than a glance over to the articles. And see above about it not being a cult.

They only "shun" when someone has been baptized and then gone astray. If you get baptized you believe in the religion and want to dedicate your life to God, OR are an idiot for getting baptized into something you don't want to do then bitch when you wonder why people are shunning you. I know, my cousin used to fall into the 2nd category.

Is there an age limit on baptism?

I know most Christian/biblical derived denominations baptism can occur at any time; in which case it is not the fualt of a small baby that they reject a religion when they weer baptized at such a small age.

The same can be said for any age; people shouldn't be pressured into a religion at a young age but the fact is its happening and you blame people for rejecting a religion they were pressured into.

Spiritual consciousness has to comes from within.

Thanks for all the insight everyone.

I think it's good she is in this cult. I thought she was running around whoring herself around like most emotionally damaged women do after a divorce.

Turns out, she not fucking anybody! She fucked me right before she went back to church. So maybe she'll fuck me again. Who the hell knows? LOL

The point is I want to date this girl and I do like her a lot, so this is sort of good news.

I'm just going to drop off the planet for awhile and see if she tries to get my attention. No more chatting, no more emailing and giving her any attention. She already knows I still want her.

^Maybe that's what best, take it easy for a bit - play it out.

Is there an age limit on baptism?

I know most Christian/biblical derived denominations baptism can occur at any time; in which case it is not the fualt of a small baby that they reject a religion when they weer baptized at such a small age.

The same can be said for any age; people shouldn't be pressured into a religion at a young age but the fact is its happening and you blame people for rejecting a religion they were pressured into.

Spiritual consciousness has to comes from within.

I don't think there is an age limit but there is a spiritual one. They go threw some questions to make sure they have all the basic stuff down and to see if they're really interested in practicing the religion forever.

I think (at least from the people I know) that most who are raised as one get baptized around mid-late teens. As long as your sure you wanna devote your life to God and the religion you golden. Jesus was baptized after the big 3-0

^Maybe that's what best, take it easy for a bit - play it out.



I don't think there is an age limit but there is a spiritual one. They go threw some questions to make sure they have all the basic stuff down and to see if they're really interested in practicing the religion forever.

I think (at least from the people I know) that most who are raised as one get baptized around mid-late teens. As long as your sure you wanna devote your life to God and the religion you golden. Jesus was baptized after the big 3-0

i was baptized when i was 1.

lol

Spiritual consciousness has to comes from within.

So you believe you devoloped a spiritual consciousness on your own, when someone told you your whole life you had a spirit?

Shouldn't such a fundamental part, indeed the very true essence of who YOU are, be self evident. That is to say, it should be obvious you have a spirit, and nobody should need to tell you, you have one.

Show me a child raised by wolves, who recognized they have a spirit without the NEED for someone to put this idea in their head, and I will be one step closer to believing a spirit is real. Until then, logically, it looks like a meme, and nothing more.

Well we emailed back and forth all night tonight. She initiated contact. I've been around the block and I know when a girl is interested and she acts like it. But I don't even bother to ask her out anymore. If she wants to go out she'll bring it up.

Maybe she just loves the attention. Maybe she doesn't want to marry some old fat, religious guy. Who the hell knows.

Maybe if I can get her again I can still save her from this insanity. But I don't know if there is any recovering from the smoking and drinking I did in front of her and acted like a fool. She says it's in the past and we can move on and forget it, as friends though.

But I think my captain save a ho cape is flapping in the wind right now.

i was baptized when i was 1.

lol

Then we can assume you are not a Jw. (My mother/sister both are.)

I have a new question. Someone I know said there isn't much difference between a JW and a christian.


How much difference is being a JW than being a hardcore Christian?

So you believe you devoloped a spiritual consciousness on your own, when someone told you your whole life you had a spirit?

Shouldn't such a fundamental part, indeed the very true essence of who YOU are, be self evident. That is to say, it should be obvious you have a spirit, and nobody should need to tell you, you have one.

Show me a child raised by wolves, who recognized they have a spirit without the NEED for someone to put this idea in their head, and I will be one step closer to believing a spirit is real. Until then, logically, it looks like a meme, and nothing more.

Dont be so forward, i am still developing in every facet of life, spirituality is a small part of my life it just might seem like such a fundamental part of my life to you because spirituality has alot to do with this forum. I have rejected anything spiritual for over 19 years of my life, so dont tell me i believe what i do because someone else told me.

I wouldnt say that i even follow spirituality im very young and open to new ideas and at the moment that idea is spirituality.

Now to your question. I would not say that who we are is always self-evident; that is why we are different at the age of 90 than we are at the age of 9. Most of us understand that we have two kidneys, but a child raised amongst wolves would never understand he has two kidneys; and even he was wounded and saw two bean shaped objects he would not understand that they are kidneys, because he does not understand the functions of that structure.

If you want me to show you a case study of a boy raised with wolfs understanding he is a spirit then i think that is a bit radical, but i will provide this for you on one condition

First you show me a child raised by wolves who recognizes that much of our universe is composed of dark matter.

Humans are very different to other animals in there infant stage. Whilst most animals are pre-programmed per se with knowledge and skillz and instinct to survive, a human infant has less of this and is more of a blank slate, so no things are not automatically obvious to us we must learn about the world from external sources.

A man living a "primal" lifestyle amongst nature may come to some spiritual realization, but not as much as if he lived in a community of spiritually engaged people sharing their understandings.

Just think about how modern society benefits from modern technology in relation to knowledge, just look at the internet and globalization.

As for the self-evident part our mind could never see the soul self-evidently, because our mind views reality as abstractions which leads to misinterpretations. Spiritual nature is far from self-evident, especially depending on the way you were enculturated the times you live in etc.

Without material science and its technology you and I would not know that dark matter exists, 500 years ago we did not understand but that does not mean dark matter did not exist 500 years ago.Similarly spiritual knowledge can be understood using its tools such as Yoga, transcendental meditation or chanting( in there original context the context of God) as well as spritual concepts i.e. Ayurveda. If you do not do these things then of course you will not understand spiritual nature. ( It is worth noting that an understanding of space and our solar system is not something recent, vedic culture knew the speed of light within a fraction of a second to the modern standard and had understanding's of the astronomy of our solar system, and that is a culture over 100,000 years old).



Similarly spiritual realization is different in different cultures and throughout different times in history. Arguably in accordance with different yugas.

First you show me a child raised by wolves who recognizes that much of our universe is composed of dark matter.

That is like asking me to show you a child raised by wolves that just knew from birth Paris is the capitol of France, or what an internal combustion engine is.

That and dark matter are external knowledge, something a person must learn. A soul is internal, indeed it is REALLY who and what you are. The human shell is but an outfit for it.

Ever confuse yourself for the pants you wear?

Why does the soul confuse itself for the outfit it wears?

Why does someone HAVE to come along and inform you that you are not a pair of blue jeans, but that you are in fact the person wearing them?

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I have my reasons why I believe people would want others to disassociate themselves with their humanity, and they don't involve "For the betterment of human kind".

It involves a long con, and a great untold many have suffered, while a few have prospered from it.

the drive to reproduce is the common thread that links ALL LIFE. It is that powerful. Now if you can't fuck, b/c the women of your community won't fuck you unless you sacrifice your goats, tithe your money, and worship a zombie, pretty soon you will be out some livestock, some cash, and wasting your Sunday mornings.

*roars*

That was great.

How much difference is being a JW than being a hardcore Christian?

Are you thinking of converting for some sex?

Well first of all Jehovah Witness is pretty much a cult and they just brain wash people. If you really like this girl you should try too get her away from Jehovah witness and shit like that help her become her own person not some sheep

yeah thats pretty much it.
killallthewhiteman ur a wanker
in australia jehovas witnesses are REALLY hated, they are banned from spreading literature in like all suburbs belonging to a council.

Are you thinking of converting for some sex?



You guys aren't going to BELIEVE this shit but she told me she's pregnant today.

She doesn't even love the guy he's just a "friend" and she doesn't want to marry him OR live with him. She said he doesn't want to marry her either!

Fucking LOL!

Time to be shunned! What will the church do to her now??

She told me this because yesterday she said she went to the doc and was crying all day from what she heard and I finally got the reason why.

She said she's going to keep it. Of course she could still change her mind. I wonder if she will consider to abort.

She just flushed her life down the toilet. I feel bad for her. :-(

I mean she can't even pay her bills and who knows about the guy, she says I don't know him.

I don't really want to talk to her anymore. Just because it hurts me because I wanted to be with her so bad. I told her I'll be her friend and a shoulder, but I think I lied.

Lawlz you wouldn't have to convert to get sex. But then again you might be a daddy if she sabotaged the condom.

Doesn't necessarily means she gets shunned. She has to one be baptized and two be unrepentant.

Ditch the stupid bitch. You aren't alive to be her doormat.

Meet a girl who shares more in common with you. Who won't fuck around and lie to you. Thats the girl you should be concerned with, not this bullshit.

But you seem like you already know that. ;)

Lawlz you wouldn't have to convert to get sex. But then again you might be a daddy if she sabotaged the condom.

Doesn't necessarily means she gets shunned. She has to one be baptized and two be unrepentant.

I'm not the daddy because it's been over a year since I was with her.

I wonder if she is SURE who that daddy is.

If she had been whoring around it makes sense she would drop it on the guy who has been her "friend" for a few years.

She left the country for a month on vacation about 2 months ago.

Tell me she wasn't sleeping with dudes then.

I hope the baby doesn't come out the wrong color!

So if she is repentant they will let her walk into church big belly, unmarried and all?

Ditch the stupid bitch. You aren't alive to be her doormat.

Meet a girl who shares more in common with you. Who won't fuck around and lie to you. Thats the girl you should be concerned with, not this bullshit.

But you seem like you already know that. ;)

Yes, this is what I'm doing. I'm not letting this crazy woman mess with my head anymore. She's been mindfucking me since LAST Christmas. It cannot go on.

Stick a fork in her, she is done. Her stock is now 0. Recently divorced, and now pregnant from whoring around.

She is officially low quality.

So if she is repentant they will let her walk into church big belly, unmarried and all?


Since it is a sin that is known to the congregation (as opposed to sex w/o getting preggers) to keep the congregation clean they might put some restrictions on her like not participating in certain things - like preaching or something - for a bit till she regains spiritual health. IF she is repentant.

Since it is a sin that is known to the congregation (as opposed to sex w/o getting preggers) to keep the congregation clean they might put some restrictions on her like not participating in certain things - like preaching or something - for a bit till she regains spiritual health. IF she is repentant.

Now she told me she would rather be alone than with the guy who she got pregnant with.

Good job, stupid whore.

Stick a fork in her, she is done. Her stock is now 0. Recently divorced, and now pregnant from whoring around.

She is officially low quality.

You forgot, complete hypocrite.

I would be 100% sure she is pregnant, though. Crazy chicks tend to lie about shit like that, just to see how you will react, or for attention. She is as crazy as a person who believes Peter Pan is real, so, I would wait and see if she starts showing, BEFORE she claims miscarriage.

You forgot, complete hypocrite.

I would be 100% sure she is pregnant, though. Crazy chicks tend to lie about shit like that, just to see how you will react, or for attention. She is as crazy as a person who believes Peter Pan is real, so, I would wait and see if she starts showing, BEFORE she claims miscarriage.

That's true she is crazy as a bat. But I played it off cool. I told her I am happy for her and she told me I should forget about her.

But I told her that's silly, we can always be friends. I didn't really mean it I just don't want her to know this bothers me.

I was supposed to get angry with her, wasn't I?

I was supposed to get angry with her, wasn't I?

No, you should listen to her and stay away.

No, you should listen to her and stay away.

I've been trying. She has been initiating emails with me all week at work and then I get sucked into these conversations.

She told me to forget about her last night after I told her to come over.

I was kind of drunk, but I'd like to tap that pregnant ass!

She keeps telling me how much she dislikes the guy, it makes me want to keep chasing her.

I do need to stay away for my own sanity.

No, you should listen to her and stay away.

What I meant was... in her mind was I SUPPOSED to be mad at her when she told me she is pregnant?

I probably surprised her by acting aloof.

You should seriously just stop caring. You can have a much better life and a much better relationship if you just forget about this one.

You should seriously just stop caring. You can have a much better life and a much better relationship if you just forget about this one.

I'm working on it.

A funny thing is 2 weeks ago I asked her out and she said we will always be just friends...

Then I was joking and responded to her "So, what are we going to name our children?"

She responded very emphatically and laughing.... now she really is preggo.

Brokeprophet has got me thinking maybe she made it up.

But there is no way to tell right? Just have to wait 9 months.

Many cults utilize the most primordial basic instinct that all life possesses....the drive to procreate.

All the mainstream successful cults have (christianity, muslims, etc.). Jehovas Witnesses are simply using part of a winning formula.

Again, the drive to reproduce is the common thread that links ALL LIFE. It is that powerful. Now if you can't fuck, b/c the women of your community won't fuck you unless you sacrifice your goats, tithe your money, and worship a zombie, pretty soon you will be out some livestock, some cash, and wasting your Sunday mornings.

This would be true except that most Christians have sex before marriage which makes your theory go to shit. Find another excuse to be an atheist, you asshole.

This would be true except that most Christians have sex before marriage which makes your theory go to shit. Find another excuse to be an atheist, you asshole.

Most Christians now, you mean, in our secular society. Our society that formed after the major religions found success in an ancient world of various competing religions, by controlling the supply of trim?

Yeah that completely undoes my theory......

Moron.

Try thinking next time, before you open your dick holder, and spew forth your ignorance.

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Don't presume to tell my my reasons for being atheist are limited to this one tiny facet of religion. I have been on here for years listing a plethora of reasons for being atheist, none of which need your approval, cunt.

Most Christians now, you mean, in our secular society. Our society that formed after the major religions found success in an ancient world of various competing religions, by controlling the supply of trim?

Yeah that completely undoes my theory......

Moron.

Try thinking next time, before you open your dick holder, and spew forth your ignorance.

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Don't presume to tell my my reasons for being atheist are limited to this one tiny facet of religion. I have been on here for years listing a plethora of reasons for being atheist, none of which need your approval, cunt.

Why would I give a shit about people 75+ years ago? Are you kidding? No. I didn't live then, either did you or 99% of anyone you know. You can't argue based on the past dumbass.

Why do you need many reasons to be an athiest? Why are you so insecure about it? Why can't you simply say "I disbelieve" instead of having to justify it? Might be a calling faggot.

'none of which need your approval'. . .

I presume he doesnt feel the need to justify his beliefs but was actually making a point related to the conversation which happened to also be a minor point for being atheist. . .

Though maybe im wrong. . .

I don't have sex anymore because I don't want to give my sexual energy and vitality to a woman I don't find special. I have found a very special young woman though. :) I love her. I've also done no more than kiss her on her cheek. This has nothing to do with any religious book, but basic observation: Relationships tend to last if they're built on a solid foundation instead of leaped into blindly. +1 for the wisdom of ancient books of wisdom.

Religion is such bullshit. How is someone going to go "back" to a Jehovahs Witness, start preaching the bible, and then have an umarried pregnancy and not even love the guy.

The hipocrocacy knows no bounds. She better be making this up, or I'm going postal.

Why would I give a shit about people 75+ years ago? Are you kidding? No. I didn't live then, either did you or 99% of anyone you know. You can't argue based on the past dumbass..

I suggest that the major religions found success (and did so in the ancient past) by controlling the supply of pussy.

I correctly state that Jehovah's Witnesses are following that formula of success.

THAT IS THE BASIS OF MY THEORY, and involves the past.

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Since you are not grasping that, fuckmouth, allow me another approach....

>>>If you lived in certain parts of the middle east, IN THIS DAY and age, you would find it more difficult to get your dick wet, without being a muslim.

>>>You might find it more difficult to get some trim in a small Mormon town in Utah, if you were not a Mormon.

THIS COULD INTICE A PERSON INTO BOWING BEFORE AN IMAGINARY BEING.

Which was my whole point. You suggesting people fuck outside of marraige, who are also religious, does nothing to my point.

If you like her enough, and want what's good for your own life enough, you will go and find out the address of her meetings, and attend there a few times for the couple of hours it is. Anyone off the street can attend. On the second or third visit, I guarantee that you will see quite a bit of attention coming from her suddenly... not the same attention that you got before, but certainly an attention that can be easily worked up into a serious relationship, and possibly even marriage - if that's what you want.

p.s. John_deer knows exactly where she's coming from... I would listen to him closely.

If you like her enough, and want what's good for your own life enough, you will go and find out the address of her meetings, and attend there a few times for the couple of hours it is. Anyone off the street can attend. On the second or third visit, I guarantee that you will see quite a bit of attention coming from her suddenly... not the same attention that you got before, but certainly an attention that can be easily worked up into a serious relationship, and possibly even marriage - if that's what you want.

p.s. John_deer knows exactly where she's coming from... I would listen to him closely.

She told me she is pregnant with another mans baby. This was 2 weeks after she told me she is a serious Jehovahs Witness.

Why would I do all that for a low quality woman?

She said the father of her kid doesn't want to marry her either. That should be yet another red flag.

She told me she is pregnant with another mans baby. This was 2 weeks after she told me she is a serious Jehovahs Witness.

Why would I do all that for a low quality woman?

She said the father of her kid doesn't want to marry her either. That should be yet another red flag.We're all broken - not just Jehovah's Witnesses. If you're going to call the entire population of the world low quality, you better be ready to spend a hell of a lot of time on your own. No malice here, just a friendly observation.

We're all broken - not just Jehovah's Witnesses. If you're going to call the entire population of the world low quality, you better be ready to spend a hell of a lot of time on your own. No malice here, just a friendly observation.

Why don't you go marry her then. I'm sure you want to raise another mans baby.

I would fuck her again but that's it. In fact, fucking her while pregnant would be pretty cool.

Why don't you go marry her then. I'm sure you want to raise another mans baby.

I would fuck her again but that's it. In fact, fucking her while pregnant would be pretty cool.Fair enough. I wouldn't especially want to raise another man's baby myself. But I had thought that in one of your posts above you had mentioned you really liked her. I guess that the lengths you are willing to go for her would depend on how true that statement really is. Anyways, this is really none of my business, but I just thought I'd point out that Jehovah's Witnesses are no more impregnable to wicked outside influences than anyone else, although they do carry more knowledge of spiritual things than the average "Christian".

Fair enough. I wouldn't especially want to raise another man's baby myself. But I had thought that in one of your posts above you had mentioned you really liked her. I guess that the lengths you are willing to go for her would depend on how true that statement really is. Anyways, this is really none of my business, but I just thought I'd point out that Jehovah's Witnesses are no more impregnable to wicked outside influences than anyone else, although they do carry more knowledge of spiritual things than the average "Christian".

Well I made this thread BEFORE she dropped the pregnant bomb on me.

It's like she set me up telling me she got all religious, and then telling me she is pregnant.

I DID really like her. Time to forget her now, I don't need the drama.

Well I made this thread BEFORE she dropped the pregnant bomb on me.

It's like she set me up telling me she got all religious, and then telling me she is pregnant.

I DID really like her. Time to forget her now, I don't need the drama.You were on the right track though. Not many people know that the majority of Jehovah's Witness female teenagers are extremely hot-looking, are respectful of the man's elevated position in the family arrangement, and actually have more than just fluff rolling around in their heads. It's a literal smörgåsbord of extremely beautiful and intelligent women. You'd have to tow the line though, so you may not be up to that kind of thing, but then again, maybe you are.