Closest thing we had to this recently was the Rodney King uprising in the USA. Americans need to be willing to stand up for their rights. In hindsight, that bailout given to the bankers was complete bullshit and hipocrisy. And note how they're bitching about Auto Executives coming in in private planes. fuck that shit

Anti-police riots rage in Greece

The rioting spread from the capital Athens to other parts of Greece, including holiday islands [Reuters]

Anti-police riots have been raging in Greece for a second day despite the arrest of two officers over the killing of a 15-year-old boy.

At least 34 people were injured as thousands of protesters battled police on Sunday in the capital Athens and the northern city of Thessaloniki.

They smashed windows of shops and, in some parts of the country, set neighbourhoods ablaze.

At least 13 people have been detained by police so far, many for looting.

Protests started after Alexandros Grigoropoulos was shot in the traditionally left-wing Exarchia district of Athens on Saturday.

The boy had tried to throw a firebomb at a police patrol car.

Cars and shops burnt

Violence erupted as soon as news of Grigoropoulos's death in a local hospital had been confirmed.

Hundreds of youths in Exarchia began attacking police cars with stones and firebombs, burning dozens of cars and smashing shop windows.

Rioting quickly spread outside Athens to Thessaloniki and the holiday islands of Crete and Corfu.

Police responded by firing tear gas at the crowd, evacuating some restaurants in the area, and closing several streets to all traffic.

Emergency services tackled blazes in 16 banks, about 20 shops and more than a dozen cars in Athens alone.

Cat-and-mouse game

As night fell, more than 1,000 students played a cat-and-mouse game with police in Athens, retreating to the university campus which security forces are forbidden to enter.

Barnaby Phillips, Al Jazeera's correspondent in the Greek capital, said local "people are shocked by the extent and ferocity of the violence".

The riots will increase pressure on the already fragile Greek government [Reuters]

He said that the political fallout from the rioting would become clear in the coming days.

Costas Karamanlis, the Greek prime minister, expressed his sympathy in a letter to the parents of Grigoropoulos.

"In these difficult moments please accept my condolences for the unfair loss of your son," he wrote.

"Like all Greeks I am deeply saddened. I know that nothing can relieve your pain."

Karamanlis also said that those responsible would be brought to justice and that "the state will see to it that such a tragedy does not happen again."

In recent years, anger among Greek youths has been fanned by the growing gap between rich and poor.

Violence at student rallies and fire-bomb attacks by anarchist groups are common.

Plea for calm

Prokopis Pavlopoulos, Greece's interior minister, appealed for calm in wake of the rioting.

"Regarding the planned demonstrations, everyone has the right to protest but not by destroying property or turning against innocent people," he said.

Pavlopoulos denounced the violence as "against human rights" and defended the police response, saying that "no rage, even justified, must lead to protests like those we saw [on Saturday]".

He said he had offered his resignation but it had been rejected by Karamanlis.

Karamanlis's government has lost three ministers to scandals in the last 12 months alone.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/12/200812719955757576.html

EDIT: I kind've feel bad for the politicans though.

I was in Greece in September, it certainly did seem like it was a very 'vibrant'/'changeable' political scene, lotsa politically motivated graffiti etc .. certainly would be a very interesting place to be in ..

it was an anti-police riot, not an economic riot

It's not anarchism until there is some kind of unified attempt by the crowd to overthrow the government and run the factories itself. Right now, it's just a bunch of angry people smashing things.

I was in Greece in September, it certainly did seem like it was a very 'vibrant'/'changeable' political scene, lotsa politically motivated graffiti etc .. certainly would be a very interesting place to be in ..

apparently yeah Athens is that way. I knew some districts were very 'leftist' in their meeting and activities, etc before

it was an anti-police riot, not an economic riot

the article states one of the reasons they're mad is due to increasing wealth inequity

It's not anarchism until there is some kind of unified attempt by the crowd to overthrow the government and run the factories itself. Right now, it's just a bunch of angry people smashing things.

I swore the article said many of them were anarchists. :confused:

eh..

I think it's more reminiscent of the French riots in '05 than any politically motivated demonstration.

Youth(s) killed via a heavy handed policeman --------> Youth riot against police

E: that's not to say there isn't a big anarchist movement in Greece; from what I can gather it has one of the biggest anarchist movements in the Western world (Anti-State Justice and Thieves in Black being two of the prolific groups). I'm sure they're kicking around somewhere causing trouble, but these 'rioters' are mostly just the bored/pissed off youth.

The boy had tried to throw a firebomb at a police patrol car.
Fuck him.

Fuck him.

Fuck you.

take that capitalism!!!

Perfect!

Since the whole Seattle WTO thing blew over, no one's given much care to anarchism.

Hopefully, the Greeks'll give it a bad enough name that people drop that bullshit permanently.

Hopefully, the Greeks'll give it a bad enough name that people drop that bullshit permanently.

haha! dream on fucker.

The Rodney King uprising was "Americans standing up for their rights"? :rolleyes:

It was just a bunch of dumb niggers going ape over a drug addict who was used by the Jewish media to incite disorder.

Yeah tha pao sti policemania

The Rodney King uprising was "Americans standing up for their rights"? :rolleyes:

It was just a bunch of dumb niggers going ape over a drug addict who was used by the Jewish media to incite disorder.

If you don't believe in the essential goodness of the slogan "Molotov Everything" then GTFO totse, you fucking shill.

The people rioting in Greece are idots. They're ruining their own city!!!! If you're going to protest then by all means do it peacefully; Go to the politicains house, stage a sit in, heckle him, yell at him but dont smash up your own street. What will those people achieve by breaking their neighbourhoods? The shops, cars and houses that were damaged were owned by the same kinds of people breaking them.

As for the police. If you're prepared to throw pretrol bombs then you should be prepared to get shot for doing it! I've been in public order training and I know how bad you can get burnt by a petrol bomb. Id rather see some stupid kid who's smashing up the street get shot than someone who's trying to protect the popullation end up with third degree burns.

The people rioting in Greece are idots. They're ruining their own city!!!! If you're going to protest then by all means do it peacefully; Go to the politicains house, stage a sit in, heckle him, yell at him but dont smash up your own street. What will those people achieve by breaking their neighbourhoods? The shops, cars and houses that were damaged were owned by the same kinds of people breaking them.

As for the police. If you're prepared to throw pretrol bombs then you should be prepared to get shot for doing it! I've been in public order training and I know how bad you can get burnt by a petrol bomb. Id rather see some stupid kid who's smashing up the street get shot than someone who's trying to protect the popullation end up with third degree burns.

Shut up, you oaf! Don't help the anarchists; let them wade in their cesspool of bullshit and ignorance.

Shut up, you oaf! Don't help the anarchists; let them wade in their cesspool of bullshit and ignorance.

the cesspool of bullshit and ignorance is the one where 15 year old kids get shot to pieces by policemen who should know better.

the kid tried thowing a fukin firebomb at them what else were the cops supposed to do??

What did the kid expect to happen when he threw it? What would throwing it have achieved?

Fuck you.

Fuck your mother in her ass, having removed the diaper and stuffed it in her mouth.

the cesspool of bullshit and ignorance is the one where 15 year old kids get shot to pieces by policemen who should know better.

That's clearly not the issue anymore. Now, the dead boy has become a catalyst for the Anarchists in Greece to riot. Again, Anarchists can't seem to be able to keep their shit together, akin to the Seattle incident, and again, they are soiling their own name.

The Rodney King uprising was "Americans standing up for their rights"? :rolleyes:


Yes it fucking was, you sarcastic faggot.


It was just a bunch of dumb niggers going ape over a drug addict who was used by the Jewish media to incite disorder.

Fuck you, Cracka. Don't fucking enslave us, treat us like shit, destroy our race, nationality, religion and beliefs then. Payback is a bitch for the shit you did to us.

Hopefully, the Greeks'll give it a bad enough name that people drop that bullshit permanently.

not really. Many people don't agree with the idea or government, police, soldiers, etc telling them what to do and setting up social hierarchies. I'm not necessarily an anarchist but I don't like the bullshit hierachies and rules. What says they're the authority and you must follow them? What says you have to conform to some bullshit social ladder crap?


The people rioting in Greece are idots. They're ruining their own city!!!!

Wars are violent and destructive. Also the article I posted above says the rioters are at least trying to focus their attacks on certain areas and ignore others.

If you're going to protest then by all means do it peacefully; Go to the politicains house, stage a sit in, heckle him, yell at him but dont smash up your own street. What will those people achieve by breaking their neighbourhoods?

Showing that the people are willing to rise up and assert their rights aggressively. After Rodney King, the LA Police wasn't as aggressive. When Malcolm X advocated violence against White America, who was lynching and treating Black people like shit for centuries, THEN they stopped their violence. The fear in White America of the Empowered Angry Black Man repulsed them from continuing violence, things backed up by groups like the Black Panthers.


As for the police. If you're prepared to throw pretrol bombs then you should be prepared to get shot for doing it!

Yeah, arguably yah. Then again we don't know the full story yet..

Again, Anarchists can't seem to be able to keep their shit together, akin to the Seattle incident, and again, they are soiling their own name.

How are they soiling their own name? In the Battle of Seattle, they were able to get a lot of coverage, especially in the independent media. Yeah the Corporate Media pulled some BS but that still was an important catalyst.

They managed to do VERY good in Seattle in 1999. Actually, they were part of the rest of the anti-globalization movement running from steel workers to environmentalists.

Closest thing we had to this recently was the Rodney King uprising in the USA.

The Redfern Riots in Sydney Australia...was in 2004 and the Maquarie Fields Riots also.

Australia Baby!

There was also the Cronulla Riot but that was a race riot not a "fuck police" thing.

not really. Many people don't agree with the idea or government, police, soldiers, etc telling them what to do and setting up social hierarchies. I'm not necessarily an anarchist but I don't like the bullshit hierachies and rules. What says they're the authority and you must follow them? What says you have to conform to some bullshit social ladder crap?

Many people are retarded, lazy, and don't live/spend within their means. So what?

Oh, and the government/society make the authority, and so unless society can change, the minorities should either put up with it or leave. No one is making them stay and conform.

If some punk was about to fire bomb me I'd shoot him too.

If some punk was about to fire bomb me I'd shoot him too.

Agreed. And if there were LA riots, I'd be like the store owners with rifles on their roof to protect their property.

Destroying someone else's property like a bunch of dumb animals doesn't help anyone. Just because it's the wet dream of a bunch of immature losers on Totse who can't get girlfriends or face reality doesn't make it "cool."

Agreed. And if there were LA riots, I'd be like the store owners with rifles on their roof to protect their property.

Destroying someone else's property like a bunch of dumb animals doesn't help anyone. Just because it's the wet dream of a bunch of immature losers on Totse who can't get girlfriends or face reality doesn't make it "cool."

you think it's mature to be a servile bootlicker? These guys are fucking the establishment right up!
I have a girlfriend, I think these demo's are cool. fuck the fucking po-lice

you think it's mature to be a servile bootlicker? These guys are fucking the establishment right up!
I have a girlfriend, I think these demo's are cool. fuck the fucking po-lice

You're setting up a strawman.
It's mature to talk about your problems, to work peacefully to change what you can, to understand that you are not the majority and thus can't have your way all the time, and use what intellect you have to put your energy to a productive use. Using your energy productively is especially important if you're talking about violence. Anyone with a semblance of small unit leadership training will tell you that logistics and discipline are key. They separate an elite, self-sufficient unit from a herd of zoo animals. It's mature to move out of a state or country that you feel is prohibitive. It is only when denied fundamental human rights that violence is a mature solution, with stipulations. If I go burn down my neighbor's apartment/house, that doesn't do jack shit except strain the local economy.

You think these "demo's" are "cool" because you're young and you're not the one shitting where you eat. Dogs don't even do that.

A better question is "so you think it's cool to throw a hissy fit because life is unfair?"

How is it not cool that a little emo got shot? With a firebomb, no less?

There are consequences to peoples' actions. I'm not just talking Newton's Third Law here. Understanding consequences and making rational decisions is mature. I don't need the Fonz to tell me that. And in fact, I don't give a fuck what people here think is cool. If someone tried bombing my house or something (and I know that's not what the riots were about), I'd shoot them.

Many people are retarded, lazy, and don't live/spend within their means. So what?


wait. That doesn't answer what I said :confused:


Oh, and the government/society make the authority, and so unless society can change, the minorities should either put up with it or leave. No one is making them stay and conform.

Care to explain the torture and genocide of autistics then? Can that be avoided by them simply 'moving away', given the fucked up "mental health" system and what it continues to do now?

http://mikestanton.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/judge-rotenberg-center-close-it-down/

Or say, I'll use "sex tourism" as another example. the US Government passed bullshit laws affecting people OUTSIDE their jurisdiction, in ANOTHER NATIONS Territory. Or they can simply use social manipulation as the guys at Dateline have done.

EDIT: yes I do acknowledge the mainstream vs. fringe and I consider that highly integral in liberation of the outnumbered.


Destroying someone else's property like a bunch of dumb animals doesn't help anyone.

actually, it did. and it has in the past. See the actions of the Rodney King uprising and how the government changed its' actions. When Malcolm X and the Black Panthers threatened radical change to the status quo the powers that be were forced to concede with the moderates, they were granted the 'lesser of the two evils' (to white america).

Just because it's the wet dream of a bunch of immature losers on Totse who can't get girlfriends or face reality doesn't make it "cool."
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Normalfag.... :(

And I'll try to fix that by...thursday :confused:

It's mature to talk about your problems, to work peacefully to change what you can, to understand that you are not the majority and thus can't have your way all the time, and use what intellect you have to put your energy to a productive use.

Autistics are organizing to form a Neurodiversity movement to attempt to stop the 'cure' meme spread by groups like 'Autism Speaks' and 'Cure Autism Now' and other radical pro-cure groups who would be willing to torture ("aversive therapy" and shocks) autistics to force them to be 'normal'. Talking and working peacefully hasn't stopped the fringe from being quashed by the mainstream. There is too much of an imbalance and if you point things out they might say you're not autistic, or a fraud, or something else (Amanda Baggs had that experience)

When the LGBTQ fought back against the police in the Stonewall Uprising in NYC, then things changed more drastically. You have to fight for your rights.

Anyone with a semblance of small unit leadership training will tell you that logistics and discipline are key.

that is correct.

It's mature to move out of a state or country that you feel is prohibitive.

It doesn't really work if you're a global or near-global pariah though, with the UN passing laws against you

You think these "demo's" are "cool" because you're young and you're not the one shitting where you eat. Dogs don't even do that.

to be fair, there are many anarchists in their 30s/40s who do the same. I know of a primitivist who is a primitivist because he believes the oil peak will bring things back to the stone age anyway..

A better question is "so you think it's cool to throw a hissy fit because life is unfair?"

yes. It's called the freedom of assemble and free speech :p

These guys are fucking the establishment right up!

well that's a good answer.

I have a girlfriend, I think these demo's are cool. fuck the fucking po-lice

Understandable logic. What with haymarket and 1968 DNC and all, both in Chicago ;)

You're setting up a strawman.
It's mature to talk about your problems, to work peacefully to change what you can, to understand that you are not the majority and thus can't have your way all the time, and use what intellect you have to put your energy to a productive use. Using your energy productively is especially important if you're talking about violence. Anyone with a semblance of small unit leadership training will tell you that logistics and discipline are key. They separate an elite, self-sufficient unit from a herd of zoo animals. It's mature to move out of a state or country that you feel is prohibitive. It is only when denied fundamental human rights that violence is a mature solution, with stipulations. If I go burn down my neighbor's apartment/house, that doesn't do jack shit except strain the local economy.

You think these "demo's" are "cool" because you're young and you're not the one shitting where you eat. Dogs don't even do that.


I'm older than you twatbag.

and they are not burning down their neighbours houses.

they're burning down banks and rioting in upmarket neighbourhoods.

anyway, in the long run it's good for the local economy, more jobs will be created when they repair the damage.

prove me wrong, prove me wrong?

I'm older than you twatbag.


be nice, be nice :)


and they are not burning down their neighbours houses.

they're burning down banks and rioting in upmarket neighbourhoods.

I'm looking for more sources on that specifically. the al jazeera mentions that, but there's some others i'm looking for

EDIT: found it

Television pictures on Monday evening showed small fires burning in the centre of Athens and hundreds of people wandering through the streets, some attacking banks, businesses and vehicles.

A large Christmas tree in central Syntagma Square was set on fire and windows were smashed on hotels, government buildings and departments stores.

The BBC's Malcolm Brabant, in a hotel in the city surrounded by demonstrators, said he could see petrol bombs, flares and rocks being thrown towards parliament while protesters cheered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7770887.stm

and



Mr. Gelis joined in the riots on Saturday night, saying the targets of the unrest included banks and multinational companies, not small businesses. "No one has anything against the little owners."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1208/p06s02-wogn.html


prove me wrong, prove me wrong?

:)

EDIT: another link



Brady Kiesling, a former US diplomat, who is writing a book about the Greek militant group November 17, says Greek police have limited power to use force against these groups because public sentiment will not tolerate it. This has resulted in a delicate balance in Exarchia, with neither pushing the other too far. Many Greeks cite the events of November 17, 1973 – a day that is still commemorated, when the army stormed the Athens Polytechnic University and killed a number of striking students – as a reason why the police must be restricted.

"The police stay out of certain areas, unless there's a major emergency, and the anarchists don't trash things badly unless there's a good reason," Mr. Kiesling says. But "once someone gets killed, the doctrine is massive retaliation."



http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1208/p06s02-wogn.html

wait. That doesn't answer what I said :confused:

I wasn't asked the question. I just don't see how I'm supposed to care

Care to explain the torture and genocide of autistics then? Can that be avoided by them simply 'moving away', given the fucked up "mental health" system and what it continues to do now?

http://mikestanton.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/judge-rotenberg-center-close-it-down/


No, I don't care to explain because that wasn't what I was talking about, nor does it change what I said.




actually, it did. and it has in the past. See the actions of the Rodney King uprising and how the government changed its' actions. When Malcolm X and the Black Panthers threatened radical change to the status quo the powers that be were forced to concede with the moderates, they were granted the 'lesser of the two evils' (to white america).

Um, no it didn't. I remember the Rodney King riots. I doubt you were sentient at that point in time, if you were even alive.

The billions of dollars in damage were needless and wasteful. The FBI and the DOJ have what are called color laws, noteworthy particularly where abuses of the badge are investigated. Instead of fucking up a relatively laissez-fair economy and the lives of private citizens who may not have been supporting the actions of a local police jurisdiction whose actions may in fact have been justified (remember, Rodney King was violating parole, involved in a high speed chase, was not in possession of his license, was driving with expired insurance, noncompliant to reasonable demands of law enforcement, and intoxicated, as well as a violent individual from reports of domestic abuse that he did not fight in court).

What needed to have happened was the state police needed to investigate the arrest, and if there was a problem with their decision, the FBI needed to get involved. Rodney King made a case for him extremely difficult for any rational, reasonable human being who didn't have a bias and an emotional outburst to the dashcam tapes' catching a couple seconds of the struggle without clear audio or footage of what incited the violence.




Autistics are organizing to form a Neurodiversity movement to attempt to stop the 'cure' meme spread by groups like 'Autism Speaks' and 'Cure Autism Now' and other radical pro-cure groups who would be willing to torture ("aversive therapy" and shocks) autistics to force them to be 'normal'. Talking and working peacefully hasn't stopped the fringe from being quashed by the mainstream. There is too much of an imbalance and if you point things out they might say you're not autistic, or a fraud, or something else (Amanda Baggs had that experience)

What you seem to fail to understand is that a doctor can't just give electroshock treatment to someone unless a guardian or executor allows it. Also, because I'm not discussing Autism, it's irrelevant.


When the LGBTQ fought back against the police in the Stonewall Uprising in NYC, then things changed more drastically. You have to fight for your rights.



Two things. First, they should have moved. Just because I don't support the gun laws of NYC doesn't mean I'll grab all my likeminded buddies and break them. I'll just live elsewhere.

Second, the "riot" itself did relatively little. It was also completely ludicrous to threaten to burn down your own favorite gay bar with irresponsible antics. The only thing the riot did, which the Civil Rights Movement did much better, was to get attention to a minority.

The subsequent press and rational movements that followed, such as those of the Civil Rights Movement or those of Women's Suffrage, helped end raids on gay bars. Physically fighting the police when you don't have to will get you shot needlessly.

You don't need to fight for your rights. You need to labor for their (continued) recognition. The First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fifteenth Amendment, and Nineteenth Amendment all need to be fought for in court and the press daily.





It doesn't really work if you're a global or near-global pariah though, with the UN passing laws against you

The UN wants to prohibit firearms ownership globally. Of particular note are a bunch of resolutions where the banning of handgun ownership would be enacted in the US. Guess what- I don't care what the UN says nor does my state government. If it did, I'd move.


to be fair, there are many anarchists in their 30s/40s who do the same. I know of a primitivist who is a primitivist because he believes the oil peak will bring things back to the stone age anyway..
Morons aside....



yes. It's called the freedom of assemble and free speech :p
Wrong. You're making a strawman. Protected Speech includes some forms of Speech Plus protests, and has been that way since the second Presidency of the US. Only two SC Justices in the entirety of the US have felt Free Speech should be completely uninfringed, that speech should be 100% free.

By claiming that unproductive rioting is protected speech, you are just not talking about reality. You know those crazy homeless guys on the street corners who have cardboard signs that say "the end is nigh?" That is protected speech. When they dump smoldering brimstone on my car to make a statement, that is illegal. It's also very, very stupid. They WILL get shot for that. They probably will get in the news. No one will really care. However, if my shooting them makes Lindsey Graham or Hal Lindsey say something profound, their speaking might change something.

I'm older than you twatbag.


Oh, I doubt that.
prove me wrong, prove me wrong?
At the very least, I'm indisputably much smarter than you because I know it's impossible to prove a negative.

1968 DNC and all, both in Chicago ;)

Um, in case you didn't hear... Nixon won that election. A lot of political analysts don't exactly credit the 1968 DNC with hurting him any.... Several I spoke with actually claim that the 1968 DNC riot probably won him the election.

First of all I think we have to clarify the fact that there is a huge difference in police culture between the US/UK and certain countries in Southern Europe and Central and South America.

I strongly support the concept of an orderly society, that guarantees the citizens' property rights and their individual freedoms, and I respect the role law enforcement agencies have in maintaining such an orderly system.

However if in some areas of the world, mainly Anglo-Saxon nations with strong-democratic traditions, the police exist to serve the interests of the citizens and protect them and their property from evil-doers, in some other regions of the world this is far from reality.

If in some US cities the police motto is "to protect and serve", this couldn't be farther from the truth in some Southern European nations.

Greece, like us in Italy, is a country that experienced fascistic totalitarianism in the past century, it's a country were the legacy of such regimes is still felt today.

We never had the drastic change and break away from the past that the German and Japanese societies had at the end of WWII, there was much more continuity in the political life of our countries.

The police here and the same is true in Greece was never there to protect and serve the citizens, rather it was always a tool for political oppression, a way to enforce top-down authority, repress political pluralism and freedom of expression.

When you see such episodes of anger and revolt in Southern Europe it's not just bored stoned middle-class kids who think it's cool to hate the "system", it's a real expression of frustration at the constant abuses and gross violations of human rights perpetuated by the police.

I read some of you say you would have shot the kid if you were in the same situation, the fact is that probably that kid might have been throwing fireworks at the cops and they just killed him, that "bomb" he had probably didn't have the power to injure let alone kill any of the officers involved.

It happens all the time here, you have the police opening fire on people because they saw "weapons", they plant evidence on bodies, the police culture here thrives on corruption, it's possible that the kid might not have had any sort of explosive device.

Trust me the police here get away with so much, if US cops were doing 10% of the things our cops do on a daily basis there would be million of dollars worth of lawsuits, tv coverage and riots everywhere.

All the people bitching about them destroying private property and that being wrong need to read the list again. They've burned 16 banks in athens alone. They only burned 4 more shops than banks and only around a dozen cars. It looks like they have some specific targets if you ask me.

I wasn't asked the question. I just don't see how I'm supposed to care


Okay.

No, I don't care to explain because that wasn't what I was talking about, nor does it change what I said.


you said:

Oh, and the government/society make the authority, and so unless society can change, the minorities should either put up with it or leave. No one is making them stay and conform.

I was responding to you with an example where the whole "minority can put up or shut up" or "love it or leave it" mentality.


Um, no it didn't. I remember the Rodney King riots. I doubt you were sentient at that point in time, if you were even alive.

I turned 18 this November 20, so yes I was at least alive. and sentinent too :)

The billions of dollars in damage were needless and wasteful. The FBI and the DOJ have what are called color laws, noteworthy particularly where abuses of the badge are investigated. Instead of fucking up a relatively laissez-fair economy and the lives of private citizens who may not have been supporting the actions of a local police jurisdiction

Many of the rioters focused their attacks on the Korean shops. the Koreans had a reputation in Los Angeles for being racist against the African-Americans there. Their rage was not completely inaccurate, they at least tried to attack the things that were adding to the problem.

whose actions may in fact have been justified (remember, Rodney King was violating parole, involved in a high speed chase, was not in possession of his license, was driving with expired insurance, noncompliant to reasonable demands of law enforcement, and intoxicated, as well as a violent individual from reports of domestic abuse that he did not fight in court).['quote]

I'm aware of the other information regarding King's background. It could be considered a 'matchstick'.

[quote] Rodney King made a case for him extremely difficult for any rational, reasonable human being who didn't have a bias and an emotional outburst to the dashcam tapes' catching a couple seconds of the struggle without clear audio or footage of what incited the violence.


the riots were started by Rodney King, but that was far from the only reason it happened


What you seem to fail to understand is that a doctor can't just give electroshock treatment to someone unless a guardian or executor allows it.

Actually, in the example of the Judge Rotenburg Center 'Dr' Israel can simply go to the state court and look for a judge that is sympathetic to allow the state to do it. That also does not subtract other past abuses of the autistic community.

Also, because I'm not discussing Autism, it's irrelevant.

Autistic people are a minority in the current society, designated that way by a similar neurological wiring which affects how they perceive the world basically. You mentioned minorities can either conform, or leave. I pointed out examples where that is wrong. If neurodiversity activists try to push for an Aspergia or do programs, they get laughed at and some would want to invade/bomb that.


Two things. First, they should have moved.

to where, exactly :confused:

Just because I don't support the gun laws of NYC doesn't mean I'll grab all my likeminded buddies and break them. I'll just live elsewhere.

heh. Voting with your feet doesn't work too much. What about people who are too poor to move? Minors? People who are stuck there for some reason or another?

Second, the "riot" itself did relatively little. It was also completely ludicrous to threaten to burn down your own favorite gay bar with irresponsible antics. The only thing the riot did, which the Civil Rights Movement did much better, was to get attention to a minority.


Uhh. The Police Barged in and started arresting people. Due to Stonewall people were more organized and willing to do something. Because of stonewall similar LGBTQ parades formed up through the US, and through the world

The subsequent press and rational movements that followed, such as those of the Civil Rights Movement or those of Women's Suffrage, helped end raids on gay bars.

the civil rights movements were propelled because people were afraid of the alternative-black separatism/nationalism and radicalism via Malcolm X

Physically fighting the police when you don't have to will get you shot needlessly.


the police were already raiding them and beating them up in droves, as well as shooting them. What else do you do :confused:

They're in the similar status that Transgendered and Transexuals are currently int he society.

You don't need to fight for your rights. You need to labor for their (continued) recognition. The First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fifteenth Amendment, and Nineteenth Amendment all need to be fought for in court and the press daily.








The UN wants to prohibit firearms ownership globally. Of particular note are a bunch of resolutions where the banning of handgun ownership would be enacted in the US.

Wow...damn. I know there's some (a LOT) of imbalances in the UN, but how can they pass that given regions of the world where guns are part of the culture. Wow. That and their 'regulate the internet' garbage....

Guess what- I don't care what the UN says nor does my state government. If it did, I'd move.


to where?



By claiming that unproductive rioting is protected speech, you are just not talking about reality.

hmm. I should have been clearer. Yes, you can claim that rioting is not protected speech under Amendment I. I was being general in that point in protests in general, which I was referring to

Um, in case you didn't hear... Nixon won that election. A lot of political analysts don't exactly credit the 1968 DNC with hurting him any.... Several I spoke with actually claim that the 1968 DNC riot probably won him the election.

that is true. The 1968 DNC (specifically the protests of the DNA) helped to end the Vietnam War, I meant, as well as rally many groups (see the formation of the Weather Underground). LBJ didn't run for re-election due to that.

moar:

Several thousand people have marched through the Greek capital Athens to protest at the government's economic policies, as part of a general strike.
While turnout appeared lower than expected, the strike hit transport and the public sector and the city saw new unrest over the shooting of a teenager.
Rioters hurled petrol bombs at police outside a court where two policemen were remanded in custody for his death.
A defence lawyer says the youth was killed by a ricochet.

Police officer Epaminondas Korkoneas, 37, has been charged with murder
Greece's conservative prime minister has vowed to restore order and compensate businesses affected by the riots, which spread from Athens across Greek cities after the shooting on Saturday.
The leader of the socialist opposition, George Papandreou, made a call for public calm.
A lawyer for the officer who fired the shot which killed 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, who was buried on Tuesday, said ballistics tests on the fatal bullet had shown the death was an accident.
Police officer Epaminondas Korkoneas, 37, was charged with murder and police officer Vassilios Saraliotis, 31, was charged as an accomplice. The Athens court ordered both men to be held in jail pending their trial. No date for the trial was set.
The ballistics tests have not yet been published and the Grigoropoulos family has hired an independent pathologist to study the case to ensure there is no cover-up.
Union demands
The two main umbrella unions - the Greek General Confederation of Workers (GSEE) and the Civil Servants Supreme Administrative Council (ADEDY) - are demanding increased social spending in light of the global financial crisis, as well as higher wages and pensions.

GENERAL STRIKE
Athens international airport closed
Athens bus, metro and suburban train systems disrupted
Teachers, journalists, bank clerks and public sector workers also expected to strike

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They represent about 2.5 million workers - roughly half of the total Greek workforce.
For union leaders, though, the number of people who took part in the demonstration in Constitution Square was almost embarrassingly small, says the BBC's Malcolm Brabant in the capital.
While flights in and out of Athens airport were cancelled, and some banks and businesses were closed, most private sector workers found ways to reach their work-places.
The Athens Traders Association estimates the rioting over the police shooting caused 1bn euros ($1.3bn, £874m) worth of damage.
Responding to the unrest, Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis promised on Wednesday to restore order and announced measures to compensate businesses that have suffered.
In a televised address, he pledged immediate aid packages, including cash payments and tax freezes, for businesses whose buildings had been torched or property looted.
"The government is determined to consolidate the feeling of public safety and to help businesses get back on their feet," said Mr Karamanlis.
Mr Papandreou, who has called for early elections on the grounds that public confidence in the government has been shaken, urged calm on Wednesday.
"I appeal to all to show responsibility, restraint and to end the violence that our country is experiencing these days," he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.
Our correspondent says that the government has been badly wounded but will survive, as long as the prime minister can maintain party discipline.
New violence
Rioters hurled several petrol bombs near the courthouse where the two policemen were appearing before a magistrate for questioning.
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The bombs were reportedly thrown as a defence lawyer was preparing to talk to reporters outside the building.
An Associated Press reporter witnessed running battles in the city centre as masked youths pelted police with rocks, bottles and blocks of marble smashed from a metro station entrance.
Windows newly replaced after four nights of rioting were smashed again.
"The government wanted us to postpone this protest, but they are the ones who have to do something to stop this violence and to improve the quality of our lives," said one demonstrator, drama student Kalypso Synenoglou.
High-school students chanting "Cops! Pigs! Murderers!" clapped and cheered each time a riot policeman was hit by a stone, AP adds.
Also on Wednesday, a group of about 100 Roma attacked a police station in the impoverished Athens suburb of Zefyri, where they attempted unsuccessfully to push a burning lorry into the station, Greek TV reports.
And in the port city of Patras, 215km (134 miles) west of Athens, a crowd of shop-owners is said to have turned on rioters and forced them to stop a wave of destruction, our correspondent says.
Entrepreneurs have been sleeping in their shops to defend them against rioters and looters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7774634.stm

vid on the BBC site click it and watch :)