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Staples
2008-12-08, 08:34
post all stuff relating to that here :)

kelsokid18
2008-12-10, 04:23
It's official now!

Staples
2008-12-11, 22:10
Eyeballing the 1,804 US military communications facilities listed with degree-second precision coordinates in DISA Circular 310651, Chapter 33, out of 6,191 total listed in that document.

(This is publicly availible on the web)

http://cryptome.sabotage.org/disa/disa-stations.htm
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/1804.htm
Here is the original
http://web.archive.org/web/20020812015035/www.disa.mil/pubs/circulars/310651/dc310651_c33_t33_1a.html

more and better soon

Blaze`
2008-12-17, 19:12
Are you talking about communications over shortwave or what? I just bought a SW radio a week ago for Numbers Stations (I'm having no luck so far, but I've found some interesting foreign broadcasts).

If SW, where can I get frequencies/times? This thread (in the future)?

Staples
2008-12-18, 07:20
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page51.html

The 'ultimate frequency list for number stations'

interesting page as the parent root, they got some cool stuff. i just ran into this looking for freq'a for ya, public domain and everything but still cool
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page30.html
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page496.htm
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page497.htm
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page498.htm

Staples
2008-12-21, 06:19
okay i guess i should post more, thanks kelso anyway before I post I gotta tell a cool story, I used to be in a level III wilderness program for juvenile referrals and private placements and I met this guy there who used to work for the NSA, and i kind of hinted that I wasn't uneducated on sensitive shit involving the federal government. He didn't tell me anything for a long time, I mean at all. it didn't matter that much to me either but then one day I was asking him if he had heard of the old Presidential Emergency Facilities and he was like yes, yes, and I said (not entirely sure of what I was saying and asking it as more of a question cause, you usually don't find much information on pef's) "there's 60 of them" and he said yes, impressed I knew all of this stuff and then he asked me "...Do you know about HAARP?" and I didn't, and he didn't tell me anything else. here's a bad news report on it but it kind of captures the conspiracy nuts side and officials etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE

Habanero
2008-12-22, 01:54
Eyeballing the 1,804 US military communications facilities listed with degree-second precision coordinates in DISA Circular 310651, Chapter 33, out of 6,191 total listed in that document.

(This is publicly availible on the web)

http://cryptome.sabotage.org/disa/disa-stations.htm
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/1804.htm
Here is the original
http://web.archive.org/web/20020812015035/www.disa.mil/pubs/circulars/310651/dc310651_c33_t33_1a.html

more and better soon

Hmm, there's one a few towns away...

I looked it up, sure didn't look like a military communications facility, although I guess that's the object, hehe.

Question: is it possible to pick up an encrypted signal without the encryption for about a second when you tune into its channel?

Because fiddling with my scanner, especially in the upper 400 mhz range, I get a second or two of rapid beeps followed by a sudden change to some strange buzzing or bursts of static. I don't know too much about radio so maybe someone could fill me in.

Staples
2008-12-22, 06:15
i had the same thing happen with the scanner and where i get short bursts of voice then nothing.. ok encrypted = serious serious radios like secret service and shit. you can find them on ebay but that's one of the only places. and i don't think any unmodded scanner could pick up encrypted frequencies if someone wanted to listen in theoretically

but a lot of times cops use apco-25, or p-25 which is a new digital trunking system which is pretty complicated but basically if you have a new scanner that's capable with p-25 you can listen to digital and analog

but yeah, i looked a couple of them up too and it's hit and miss, mabye some aren't. in fact I'm fairly certain that judging by the age of this that some aren't

AE5150
2008-12-22, 09:13
i had the same thing happen with the scanner and where i get short bursts of voice then nothing.. ok encrypted = serious serious radios like secret service and shit. you can find them on ebay but that's one of the only places. and i don't think any unmodded scanner could pick up encrypted frequencies if someone wanted to listen in theoretically

but a lot of times cops use apco-25, or p-25 which is a new digital trunking system which is pretty complicated but basically if you have a new scanner that's capable with p-25 you can listen to digital and analog

but yeah, i looked a couple of them up too and it's hit and miss, mabye some aren't. in fact I'm fairly certain that judging by the age of this that some aren't

No scanner, modded or not, will decrypt something with encryption. Without getting into the specifics of it, it's simply not going to happen. But the statement you made isn't entirely accurate; the scanner will still pick up the frequency (it'll break the squelch gate), but you won't hear anything. They're still transmitting on a certain frequency, it's just that the data being transmitted is encrypted. You don't encrypt electromagnetic radiation (which radio waves are).

And don't think that only the feds use encryption. Your local police are completely capable of using it as well, and many, many agencies at the municipal, county, and state level do so.

P25 isn't encrypted, it's simply digital. You will indeed need a digital scanner to both hear and to track the signals. Those machines aren't cheap, but they're on the market. However, the fact remains, if the comms are encrypted, you won't be hearing them, regardless of the system.

Staples
2008-12-22, 21:59
yeah you'll still recieve them they just sound like 'psssssssshhhhh', I know police departments in my area primarily use conventional trunking systems like motorola types, edacs etc. state cops around here use p-25. and yes I didn't mean to sound as though law enforcement doesn't use encryption - because they can and do at times, although it varies by jurisdiction. For operations I've heard 'switch to so-and-so' and then lost them so they scramble it if nothing else. in terms of intercepting those type of communications, yeah you're not doing it.. but a cool thing I read was in a book called "Spy Handler: Memoir of a KGB Officer" (written by Victor Cherkashin who was a former KGB officer) where the KGB was using modified radios inside of their embassy to intercept and decrypt FBI communications (which they successfully did). but yeah you're right you're not intercepting encrypted transmissions. There's also a thing called voice inversion encryption which you might be able to revcieve, there's theoretically some ways to get around it, especially if you were smart and owned a computer.

Habanero
2008-12-23, 01:06
yeah, I know my town's police encrypt because they announced it, lawl, in the newspaper. Some Motorola thing IIRC.

the beeps then the weird almost electrical buzzing kinda piqued my curiousity though. I know I can't break the encryption per se...just kinda wondering if said encryption had to take a moment to "kick in" or something, hence the second of rapid beeps.

Staples
2008-12-23, 04:31
i'm not actually sure my guess would be that it's part of a trunking system but I'm just speculating

I noticed a number of old pages I had archived are removed, for whatever reason but seeing as I have found this information from public domain it's ok.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980709042901/http://infosec.navy.mil/TEXT/DOCUMENTS/

This page is part of the old Navy infosec website. this could be considered as fitting here, and seeing as how electricity is integral to communications here's an analysis of the security and vulnerability in electric power systems

NAPS 2003, 35th North American Power Symposium, University of Missouri-Rolla in Rolla, Missouri, October 20-21, 2003. pp. 559-566.
Abstract— Security of supply has been always a key factor
in the development of the electric industry.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mndunuhfwky/PaperECE723v39Format.pdf

and I found something pretty interesting regarding the ANMCC. the strength of the concrete is incredible, being able to withstand a force of up to 11,000 PSI.

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA118966

Staples
2008-12-24, 10:34
so much is going on in my life right now.. i threw together a slideshow if anything gets your interest ask me what it is or whatever it would've taken too long to add paragraphs for each one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOT6U3A8UDs#

kelsokid18
2008-12-30, 09:54
http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/services/eas/handbooks.html


So these are what the broadcasters use to know the rules/regs and procedures for the Emergency Alert System. Having worked in radio, I had to read and understand the AM/FM version, and I participated in several dozen tests, and a couple of statewide exercises. I always prepared myself for the message from The White House though, I had the script committed to heart for what I would say if I got the "big" message from the PEP.

kelsokid18
2008-12-30, 09:59
okay i guess i should post more, thanks kelso anyway before I post I gotta tell a cool story, I used to be in a level III wilderness program for juvenile referrals and private placements and I met this guy there who used to work for the NSA, and i kind of hinted that I wasn't uneducated on sensitive shit involving the federal government. He didn't tell me anything for a long time, I mean at all. it didn't matter that much to me either but then one day I was asking him if he had heard of the old Presidential Emergency Facilities and he was like yes, yes, and I said (not entirely sure of what I was saying and asking it as more of a question cause, you usually don't find much information on pef's) "there's 60 of them" and he said yes, impressed I knew all of this stuff and then he asked me "...Do you know about HAARP?" and I didn't, and he didn't tell me anything else. here's a bad news report on it but it kind of captures the conspiracy nuts side and officials etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE



The hell is a PEF? I know of the old shelters at places like Raven Rock and Greenbrier that were for congress, and Dick Cheney went to Raven Rock on 9-11-01, and I know of shelters at Camp David, and Andrews AFB, but I did not know that there were more than the usual suspects.

Staples
2009-01-01, 08:57
The hell is a PEF? I know of the old shelters at places like Raven Rock and Greenbrier that were for congress, and Dick Cheney went to Raven Rock on 9-11-01, and I know of shelters at Camp David, and Andrews AFB, but I did not know that there were more than the usual suspects.

yeah PEP=presidential entry point right? i don't know i started looking into the specific communications for it cause i was interested but i forget what i even had, i still have stuff i saved let's see..

interestingly here's a publicly availible document with things you may have already seen or might find interesting
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=63fd87e062971489d2db6fb9a8902bda

btw pef's are in serious disuse, some abandoned others reassigned, like lamb's knoll. dunno what they're doing to compensate for it mabye better ideas/communications technology. Here's something i found online but couldn't find so i uploaded. now run by the FAA but try to go up there and some nice men in black vehicles are still bound to show up. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=63fd87e062971489d2db6fb9a8902bda
http://coldwar-c4i.net/PEF/index.html

http://www.infosyssec.com/infosyssec/milsec1.htm

Staples
2009-01-01, 08:58
http://coldwar-c4i.net/Corkscrew/P1010655A.html cool picture lol

it's like 4 i'll talk with you more later

kelsokid18
2009-01-04, 10:01
Hmmm......I didn't know anything about PEF's. PEP's are used in the EAS, and are considered to be "3 degrees" away from the President, if you consider the president as degree 1, the White House Communicatons Office as degree 2, etc.


i.e. We are attacked again in much the same way and on a larger scale then 9/11/01. The President is informed by The Joint Chiefs of Staff, who in turn were informed by the senior commanders of National Guard units on the ground at the attacks, who were summoned by the individual state governors, who were filled in by senior commanders of the state police forces, who were informed by county sheriffs.

The President now has a choice to make. Activate the EAS or not. If not, he can choose to address the nation in a normal fashion. If he chooses to activate, he makes that decision known to the communications office. They then signal the 33 or so PEP's via their individual EAS decoder boxes, alerting them to standby to be taken over. Almost immediately, whatever is happening on those stations, is now being over-ridden by "BRRRRRNT BRRRRRNT BRRRRRNT. BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. This is the Emergency Alert System, this is not a test."

At the same time the PEP's get that, they are also relaying that live to the LP's, the local primary stations who elected/were appointed to receive the initial signal. At the station I worked for, the LP was a religious station across town, but their studios and transmitter were atop a fairly good sized mountain, and so were chosen because they were fortified atop that rock. My station was called a participating station, because we would carry those alerts, as opposed to shutting down and letting another station do the dirty work.

Overall, PEP and PEF are not one in the same. PEP's are just commercial stations that have a little something extra in their EAS box, that being a hard cable link to 1600 Pennsylvania, and PEF's look like they might be some kind of network related to this.

Staples
2009-01-06, 08:43
what's up it's kind of late right now hopefully i get this job tomorrow, yeah PEP's go with EAS and PEF's go wit hthe WHCA and WHMO, I was trying to find this map of the united states that had some PEF's marked clearly as 'NAVY SITE #~" shit =[ i'll be back later

Staples
2009-01-06, 08:45
by the way what you wrote is pretty cool when did you do that?