tell me what you think, and post your religion too.


heaven is supposed to be great right? who would want to go to heaven if it sucked?

so if heaven is great and i live a life worthy of entering heaven and my favorite guitarist is randy rhodes (who is dead), and the one thing i want in my life more than anything (except the love of god of course) is to jam with randy rhodes and that is the main reason i want to go to heaven, then the only thing that would make me happy in heaven would be to jam w/ randy.

now, lets say im not the only one that feels this way and that a lot of people want to jam w/ randy, and their is only one randy rhodes, then when i go to heaven will i have to be put on a waiting list to jam w/ him? if so, heaven doesnt sound as good as the bible makes it out to be.

if i can jam w/ him, anytime i want, then what will the others do?

if we can all jam w/ him anytime we want, then that means randy can be at any place at any time.

also, if randy went to hell (he probably did), then how could i jam w/ him in heaven? if i could then that means he either got a visitors pass or im not playing w/ the real randy rhodes, if i am, then it is a duplicate.


what if randy rhodes didnt want to jam w/ me? that would make heaven gay. if he had to play w/ me, then he has no free will.

how the fuck could even have free will in heaven?

now lets say i was wanted to jam w/ by many people in heaven, would it not be up to me weather or not i jammed?

how could i jam w/ many at once?

since this means either heaven sucks or free will is not allowed and no one you talk to is the actual person, then heaven can only be imaginary. that means god and hell are imaginary, and that means its not up to anyone but my self to decide what happens after i die. even if a break all ten comandment s as much as i can, then it has no meaning as to where i go after death.

heaven just doesnt add up.





i am starjones and i am an agnostic with the belief that the universe is only a product of our consciousness and that when we "die" we just revert into the conscious realm and explore our subconscousness.

<insert generic vague religious answer, on a topic noboby has any falsifiable or verifiable information on>

What you have done is provided a platform for the kids to get on and create out of thin fucking air what they all think this fantasy realm called heaven is like, should be like, and so on and so forth.

Since your argument can be undermined by anyone with a few Sunday school classes, and an active imagination, no it is not a good argument against.

It is tricky to get the sheep talking about real shit.

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In the spirit of the thread I will offer something, but it can still be answered with:

<insert generic vague religious answer, on a topic noboby has any falsifiable or verifiable information on>

Would you really want to exist forever?

What makes life worth living is death. If nobody died, you would not get excited at the prospect of having a coulple kids, or wouldn't get excited after you have your 1,332,555,666,233,444th kid.

You would run out of smells to smell, colors to see, art to create or look at, food to taste, etc.

Eternal life, would be boring.

Death is what makes life worth living. You have a limited amount of time to see the world, say what you want, father children, learn, teach, listen, love, hate, steal, kill, eat, sleep, and fuck.

Without that limit, it would all lose it's allure.

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Also think about religious people. Heaven would be full of Pat Robertsons, Jerry Falwells, and every sort of peice of shit criminal who asked forgiveness at the last second of their miserable lives.

Again, a vague answer can be created out of thin air, to "answer" any of this shit, b/c none of it is verifiable, and since this is the case, honestly does not warrant any true discussion.

Your reasoning doesn't prove heaven does or doesn't exist, only that your are an idiot.

Heaven is different for different people?
People create their own "heavens"?

You can't prove/disprove something until you have a clear understanding of what that thing is, and how it functions.

I'm Agnostic, verging on Atheist by the way.

<insert generic vague religious answer, on a topic noboby has any falsifiable or verifiable information on>

Can I call it or what?

I can't even tell if this is quite trolling or not. Congrats on putting out material that is ambiguously gay.

<insert generic vague religious answer, on a topic noboby has any falsifiable or verifiable information on>

Can I call it or what?

Lol

+1

I'm not going to lie I tl;dr after I realized it was BS

...its Randy Rhoads.

Heaven is a place defined by its spiritual nature therefore you cannot define it by any concept of material nature i.e. your favorite musician.

OP, with all due respect, you premise is invalid for many reasons.

Heaven and hell are not locations, and as defined by most traditional Xians at least, they are myths.

Also--with the exception of discarnate entities, personalities do not survive "death"--in quotes because death --again, as defined by most people--is an illusion.

We are eternal beings--but our personalities do not even survive LIFE, fer crissake. Do you have the same personality now as you had ten years ago? Or even five? Probably not. Certainly your present personality is not the one you will have thirty or forty or fifty years from now.

We all have free will, we all create our own reality. But--and I address OP again--by defining happiness as being somehow contingent upon another person, you are by definition being outer-directed, which is fatal to any spiritual growth.

OP, with all due respect, you premise is invalid for many reasons.

Heaven and hell are not locations, and as defined by most traditional Xians at least, they are myths.

Also--with the exception of discarnate entities, personalities do not survive "death"--in quotes because death --again, as defined by most people--is an illusion.

We are eternal beings--but our personalities do not even survive LIFE, fer crissake. Do you have the same personality now as you had ten years ago? Or even five? Probably not. Certainly your present personality is not the one you will have thirty or forty or fifty years from now.

We all have free will, we all create our own reality. But--and I address OP again--by defining happiness as being somehow contingent upon another person, you are by definition being outer-directed, which is fatal to any spiritual growth.

I will forego the usual "How can you possibly know we are eternal beings" for the sake of argument, b/c I truly am curious:

If a personality does not survive death, and there are no good and bad afterlifes to jaunt off to after we shed this mortal coil, why follow any path of spiritualism? Why grow spiritually here on Earth, when you have all eternity to do so?

I know you believe true happiness here on Earth is linked with spiritual evoloution and growth, but why fuss over an insignificant finite amount of time, when there is eternity and eternal life for all?

A human life could last one billion years, and would still not be worth the trouble of evolving spiritually or obtaining true happiness, when held against an eternity in which you can do so.

I will forego the usual "How can you possibly know we are eternal beings" for the sake of argument, b/c I truly am curious:

If a personality does not survive death, and there are no good and bad afterlifes to jaunt off to after we shed this mortal coil, why follow any path of spiritualism? Why grow spiritually here on Earth, when you have all eternity to do so?

I know you believe true happiness here on Earth is linked with spiritual evoloution and growth, but why fuss over an insignificant finite amount of time, when there is eternity and eternal life for all?

A human life could last one billion years, and would still not be worth the trouble of evolving spiritually or obtaining true happiness, when held against an eternity in which you can do so.

Are you taking into consideration that "afterlife" you might re-incarnate back into this world based on karma ( as defined in its original context)