comes out today. I'll be buying the Blu-Ray version after work.

apperently there is a small controversy since it doesn't contain any sort of tribute to Ledger, in the special features. I don't see the big deal, myself. alot of people have treated it as some sort of death vehicle, in his name. another guy died during production, I don't see any controversy over there not being any tribute to him. it would be sort of exploitive to put something like that on the release, as I see it.

he did a great job, and then he died. if that's the only reason anyone seen the movie, let alone will be buying it, then it's for all the wrong reasons.

I really didn't like it, Ledger's performance was definately the only good thing in the movie, but it still doesn't make the film worth watching at least for me.

I have to add that I've never been a fan of Batman nor too keen on superheroes.

Dark Knight was a good film,but I laugh when I read people putting in the realm of stuff like the Godfather and Alien. At the end of the day,it's still a Batman comic movie. It might be the best of the comic movies (which I don't personally believe), but it's not some revolution in the film industry.

The only reason people jizzed all over this movie is because Heath Ledger died. People would probably treat this just like another Batman movie if he didn't.

Comic book's have some great stories, man. Don't bring them down.

I'm not a big fan of superhero movies, but I thought it was alright.

I will say that the Joker made the movie though, because you don't see anyone quoting Batman or Dent except to make fun of their sandpaper voices.

But fuck this Ledger hype bullshit. He wasn't Marlon Brando, for fuck's sake. He was just another celebrity who O.D'd, so that makes him glamorous.

EDIT: Fuck Blu-Ray. Pirate that shit.

I actually liked the movie even more, after watching the bluray (though same would go for any home release). it's just a really, really, really good movie. everyone's performence is excellent, and while the pacing may be a little slow, at least it keeps you focused and not just waiting for action. it's just all cleverly executed. everything about it is top notch.

again; bad-ass fucking movie. if you disagree, you have serious problems.

Its a good movie, it doesnt fall under epic but its good.I know a shit ton of girls who think this movies is the cats pajamas. I would enjoy it more if Batman was understandable.

Batman's gravel-throat voice negated the supposed epicness of Ledger. I couldn't stand the movie listening to Batman. It sounded like he was deepthroating the ENTIRE fucking movie.

I don't see why people hated Batman's voice in the film, so much. he needed to be as unrecognizable (from Wayne) as possible, including his voice. I don't know if it's mentioned in the film or not, but I assume something in the neck part of the suit is intentially tight with some sort of ball to lightly lodge into his throat, and give his voice that raspy effect, for various reasons (unrecognition, intimidation). would you rather a high, whiney voice?

on the other hand, a voice changer would just be lame.

The dark knight was a badass movie. It was also (not surprisingly) the best batman movie.

It was also one of the best movies of the year. I may actually buy it on dvd. I'd just pirate it, but I like to be able to just sit on my couch and watch a regular dvd, and not worry about downloading, burning, and having decent watchable quality.

it's just a really, really, really good movie.

color me convinced

color me convinced

okay. watch it, and then:

compare it to other Batman films.
compare it to other super hero films.
compare it to this year's films.
compare it to most other recent films.
compare it to any other film, in general.

at the very least, it undeniably takes the first three.

I haven't yet seen this movie, but I believe someone hired it from the video store today so I'll watch it and check back with an opinion on it. I don't think I've seen a Batman movie since that one with Jim Carrey as the joker and that was a while back, '96 I think.

okay. watch it, and then:

compare it to any other film, in general.

what do you mean? i could list 100 movies better than the dark knight

okay. watch it, and then:


compare it to this year's films.

compare it to any other film, in general.

at the very least, it undeniably takes the first three.

You must be joking, I could name hundreds of better pictures, even regarding recent films.

Just finished watching the movie and I think it wasn't too bad, wasn't great, but enjoyable. Ledger played the joker well but I wouldn't say it was what made the movie. And I agree with the general complaints about the voice change for Batman, he sounds like me after running, out of breath and in need of a glass of water.
My biggest complaint about the movie though is the audio mixing, it just seemed a bit over the place at times (comparing the talking to everything else). I thought the special effects weren't bad, story wasn't too bad either. The length of the movie kinda got to me, but there wasn't really much that could be taken out that wasn't important to the story in some way. I reckon I'd watch it again someday though, so it wasn't that bad.

Picked it up 2day along with Wall - E on blu ray, and some 6.99 bargain bin. Have been In my new place for about a months time, and now i have a reason to hook up my ps3 to my big screen "lol.

w00t w00t for the first blu ray ever witnessed "by myself" being The dark Knight.

what do you mean? i could list 100 movies better than the dark knight

did you not see when I said "at the very least, it undeniably takes the first three". as in, the first three things I mentioned; meaning...thus far, it is the best Batman film, Superhero film, and the best of what movies of this year I can recall. one of the best films ever? yes. ONE of them. not THE best film ever. just ONE of them. and as there havn't been MANY great movies in recent years. it's also ONE of those...

what I'm saying is, it's nice to see a blockbuster film that's actually great and rewatchable, for once. especially a BATMAN, and/or fuckin' Superhero movie initially intended for children. and folks thought Iron Man reinvented the superhero wheel. shiiiit, Iron Man is a cheap plastic toy compared to The Dark Knight. yeah, I said it. fuck you if don't agree, and fuck you even if you do. honestly, I don't even care that much for Batman, and the Joker in general.

that's what I mean. now list these "100 BETTER movies" you speak of, 'smartass'.

You must be joking, I could name hundreds of better pictures, even regarding recent films.

and who the hell are you? better yet, who the hell do you think you are? better pictures? sure. 'hundreds'? now I highly doubt that. but alright, you've put the task upon yourself. prove it, dipshit.

but I'll inform you beforehand: you'll be wasting your time.

that's what I mean. now list these "100 BETTER movies" you speak of, 'smartass'.

but I'll inform you beforehand: you'll be wasting your time.

real mature. it's not even like im saying it's a crappy, it's not. it's just a by-the-numbers superhero action flick with a memorable performance by the deceased mr. ledger. i don't see why you get yourself so worked up over this movie

Meh, its not even that good. Seen it 2 days after it was released in theaters on justin.Tv It looks good in blu ray and what not, but still.

real mature. it's not even like im saying it's a crappy, it's not. it's just a by-the-numbers superhero action flick with a memorable performance by the deceased mr. ledger. i don't see why you get yourself so worked up over this movie

right. and I've never assumed that you did think it was 'crappy'. 'by the numbers' or not, it's still the best superhero film yet, and not only that, it's also a great film all-together. I really tend to forget that Ledger's even dead because, well...that doesn't effect me or my opinion of the film any. I feel sorry for the guy and his family, yeah. but I don't think he deserves any awards simply because he died. you don't see anyone praising many other movies that were released after an actor's death, do you? no, because they were probably mediocre or simply fucking sucked.

Man I love Totse. You come into Moving Pictures to see a Dark Knight thread and it's all "movie wasn't even that great" from every other poster.

You go into ...&R&R to find a Radiohead thread and it's all "Radiohead is so overrated, all their songs sound the same" from every other poster.

You fuckers try so hard to fight the mainstream that you end up hating on genuinely good shit just because it got the recognition it deserved. The Dark Knight is an excellent movie. Undoubtedly the best comic book movie and easily one the best films, if not the best of the year. I'm also willing to bet it will stand the test of time and be viewed as a classic years from now.

You fuckers try so hard to fight the mainstream that you end up hating on genuinely good shit just because it got the recognition it deserved.

Hit the nail on the fuckin' head my friend, Nail on the Fuckin' Head.

Man I love Totse. You come into Moving Pictures to see a Dark Knight thread and it's all "movie wasn't even that great" from every other poster.

You go into ...&R&R to find a Radiohead thread and it's all "Radiohead is so overrated, all their songs sound the same" from every other poster.

You fuckers try so hard to fight the mainstream that you end up hating on genuinely good shit just because it got the recognition it deserved.

i don't give a shit about radiohead or the fucking mainstream. i'm not "hating" on the dark knight, i just didn't enjoy it. after an hour i was begging for it to be over. and no, it didnt get the recognition it deserved, because people call it one of the greatest movies of all time, and it's not.

I'm also willing to bet it will stand the test of time and be viewed as a classic years from now.

yeah i know there's so many great scenes to watch over and over, like the car chase! and the pencil! and...

Too bad for you.

It has excellent cinematography, it's very well-paced, the story is head and shoulders above anything ever seen in a comic book movie, and every last actor gives a great performance.

All I'm saying is that it's pretty odd that a movie that many consider a lock for Best Picture, that has an insanely high rating on IMDB, and that literally got applause at the showing I saw, something I've never seen happen at any movie, is being universally panned in this thread. Before I came in here it was like what, two people who said it was good, and like ten who had the typical Totse response of "overrated! not that good! didn't even like it!".

At that point it becomes pretty obvious what's going on. I find it quite funny that while running for the hills from anything with a modicum of mainstream recognition, you all end up with the same opinion, just another shitty herd mind. Now, I'm not saying that's every last one of you, I know that's not you ganjaninja, I've seen enough of your posts to know you generally know what's up and have a solid opinion of your own, but sometimes I look at these threads and see how far off base the opinions are and all I can do is sit back and say "What the fuck?".

I don't think I've seen a Batman movie since that one with Jim Carrey as the joker and that was a while back, '96 I think.

Oh dear.

I'm also willing to bet it will stand the test of time and be viewed as a classic years from now.

There's no question that it will stand the test of time; the story has enough layers that it's worth adding to a DVD library.

However, outside of comic book fans, I don't think that it will be viewed as a classic. It's still just another comic book movie. It will be outdone, given time; it has only raised the benchmark for comic book movies.

It's still just another comic book movie.

I can't see how you can say that when it demolished the box office and will undoubtedly get a few Oscar nods. It's clearly broke out of the "comic book movie" niche and has hit the mainstream.

My ex-girlfriend, who I don't think has ever read a comic book in her life, who eats up mainstream culture and doesn't look for anything beneath the surface counts it as her favorite movie of all time. Now, I think that's a bit of a stretch myself, although I do think it's excellent, but when someone who has no affinity for the character is willing to make such a proclamation you have to acknowledge that this is no longer just a "comic book movie" that only nerds will view as a classic.

that has an insanely high rating on IMDB

INTERNET !
INTERNET !
INTERNET !
INTERNET !

When you turn off that machine, and leave your "living quarters"

That's where it stays.

What does IMDB being on the internet have to do with anything?

How about the BILLION DOLLARS the movie made across the world? You're going to right off the votes of 312,000 people simply because they cast them on the internet? So what's your excuse for the BILLION DOLLARS the movie made? That didn't happen on the internet.

Just bought the dvd and watched it last night, fucking awesome movie. There wasn't a single boring scene in it, imho. I liked the new chick playing Rachel, Katie Holmes just didn't fit the part in #1. And the Joker was badass. Looking forward to #3.

Black Mask fucking better be the main villain in the 3rd film. and Nolan better direct again at that.

Batman Begins did a great job at introducing unused (and unlikely) villains and pulling them off by actual possible means. The Joker and Two Face are essential and just had to be done and over with; it's just not Batman without them. time to get back to unused characters: with Black Mask, motherfuckers.

he's a criminal mastermind who's bad-ass with dual handguns, and wears a black skull mask. 'nuff said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_(comics)

I can't see how you can say that when it demolished the box office and will undoubtedly get a few Oscar nods. It's clearly broke out of the "comic book movie" niche and has hit the mainstream.

My ex-girlfriend, who I don't think has ever read a comic book in her life, who eats up mainstream culture and doesn't look for anything beneath the surface counts it as her favorite movie of all time. Now, I think that's a bit of a stretch myself, although I do think it's excellent, but when someone who has no affinity for the character is willing to make such a proclamation you have to acknowledge that this is no longer just a "comic book movie" that only nerds will view as a classic.

Who says that comic book movies are a niche? They're pretty damn mainstream, outside of things like American Splendor.

Money doesn't really come into defining something as a classic; there are plenty of quality films that didn't do spectacularly in the box office. How you can equate box office success with a classic film is beyond me, though they are linked in many ways.

Who says that comic book movies are a niche?

That's what this comment implied to me:

However, outside of comic book fans, I don't think that it will be viewed as a classic. It's still just another comic book movie.

That because it's a comic book movie, only comic book fans could consider it a classic. What I mean by niche is that most comic book movies don't break out into the rest of the culture, namely to women and older people. Young males are their target audience most of the time, you're not going to see many chicks going to see Hellboy unless someone has asked them to go. However, my ex went to see The Dark Knight twice, and plans to see it a third time when it comes back into theaters, despite already owning the DVD. I don't think she's ever seen any other comic book movie in the theater, except for 300, which she only went to see because she felt left out since my brother and I were going to see it.

How you can equate box office success with a classic film is beyond me, though they are linked in many ways.

Don't recall ever making such a connection.

What other movies does she like?

I didn't know 300 was a comic book movie....

I never heard of Black Mask either, but then again I ain't into comics. I did hear, however, that the next Batman will have the Riddler and Catwoman, played by Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie, but that may be just a rumor. I'd rather see other villains, but hey Depp will be a badass Riddler. I also heard that they won't be using the Penguin at all. Can only hope that one is true...

They should give Ledger the Best Supporting Oscar. He was so good as the Joker.

Dark Knight was a good film,but I laugh when I read people putting in the realm of stuff like the Godfather and Alien. At the end of the day,it's still a Batman comic movie. It might be the best of the comic movies (which I don't personally believe), but it's not some revolution in the film industry.

The only reason people jizzed all over this movie is because Heath Ledger died. People would probably treat this just like another Batman movie if he didn't.

You're an idiot. Instead of saying"It's still a Batman comic movie", you might as well just say "I'm an elitist douchebag". I don't like comics, and I think most "comic book movies" are repetitive and lame, but The Dark Knight is a film. Just because it was inspired by a comic, that doesn't automatically denegrate it to "mere comic book movie" status. It has nothing to do with the quality of the acting, directing, writing, and overall quality of the film.

The fact that you put The Godfather and Alien in another "realm" makes it pretty clear what type of snob you are. Both of those movies are based on fiction (the latter moreso than the former, obviously). How is Alien miles above The Dark Knight, simply because TDK's source material was a comic? Alien was a popcorn horror movie. A very well-done popcorn horror movie, but it was just mindless fun all the same. TDK was a well made, extremely well-acted, NOT mindless crime film, and it's somehow not even in the same category as a movie like Alien?

Jackass.

EDIT: I'm certainly not among those who think TDK is the best movie ever (not at all), but regarding it negatively because of its comic origins is absurd.

Man I love Totse. You come into Moving Pictures to see a Dark Knight thread and it's all "movie wasn't even that great" from every other poster.

You go into ...&R&R to find a Radiohead thread and it's all "Radiohead is so overrated, all their songs sound the same" from every other poster.

You fuckers try so hard to fight the mainstream that you end up hating on genuinely good shit just because it got the recognition it deserved. The Dark Knight is an excellent movie. Undoubtedly the best comic book movie and easily one the best films, if not the best of the year. I'm also willing to bet it will stand the test of time and be viewed as a classic years from now.

This, 100%.

Anyways, my personal opinion on TDK: It's a crime saga in the league of Heat (the king of all modern crime sagas, I think most would agree). People should stop referring to it as a "comic book movie", they should stop regarding it as the best movie ever (it isn't, though I would gladly argue that Ledger's performance might be the best performance in film history), and idiots should stop acting as though as it's not a very good movie.

What other movies does she like?

Off the top of my head, some other DVD's she owns:

The Notebook, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Little Black Book, A Walk To Remember, Just Like Heaven, The Girl Next Door, The Pursuit of Happyness, Reign Over Me, Click, Knocked Up, Juno, Edward Scissorhands, A Bug's Life, Bambi, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

Not exactly someone you would expect to call "a mere comic book movie" their favorite film of all time.

Off the top of my head, some other DVD's she owns:

The Notebook, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Little Black Book, A Walk To Remember, Just Like Heaven, The Girl Next Door, The Pursuit of Happyness, Reign Over Me, Click, Knocked Up, Juno, Edward Scissorhands, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

Not exactly someone you would expect to call "a mere comic book movie" their favorite film of all time.

Yep. The mainstream likes any mainstream movie, regardless of whether its a "comic book movie". My 50 year old parents like Iron Man, the Hulk movies, the older Batman movies, the newer Batman movies, Sin City, etc., and they don't know shit about comics.

I saw it last week--totally loved it.

And I even carry an OTF like one the Joker used in the film.

Off the top of my head, some other DVD's she owns:

The Notebook, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Little Black Book, A Walk To Remember, Just Like Heaven, The Girl Next Door, The Pursuit of Happyness, Reign Over Me, Click, Knocked Up, Juno, Edward Scissorhands, A Bug's Life, Bambi, and that's all I can think of at the moment.

Not exactly someone you would expect to call "a mere comic book movie" their favorite film of all time.

I don't know, to me, it seems to fit in fine with most of those movies.

I simply don't see it being considered a classic in 10-20 years, outside of its fans.

I simply don't see it being considered a classic in 10-20 years, outside of its fans.

Well that makes sense, it's fans, the people who liked the movie, of which there are millions, will consider it a classic. The people who didn't like the movie, won't.

Just like there are people who don't consider The Godfather a classic.

Euda, if by 'fans' you mean 'of the comics', try talking to a comic book fan. they hate the movie. they hate any comic-to-film adaption, the ungreatful bastards. when it comes to film adaptions they're worse than the fucks who complain about book-to-film adaptions.

Well that makes sense, it's fans, the people who liked the movie, of which there are millions, will consider it a classic. The people who didn't like the movie, won't.

Just like there are people who don't consider The Godfather a classic.

It takes a little more than liking something to be a fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)

It takes a little more than liking something to be a fan.

Your wikipedia link doesn't work, and reduced to it's simplest defintion, a fan is someone who likes (or maybe even loves) whatever they are fan of.

Euda, if by 'fans' you mean 'of the comics', try talking to a comic book fan. they hate the movie. they hate any comic-to-film adaption, the ungreatful bastards. when it comes to film adaptions they're worse than the fucks who complain about book-to-film adaptions.

a lot of comic fans thought TDK was the greatest thing ever

sure; but it wasn't because it closely followed it's sources.

which it definatly didn't, and I'm damn glad. I'm tired of villains becoming who they are due to some sort of science-gone-wrong event. I want a bad-ass villain who truely just doesn't give a fuck about anything; not even personal gain. like well, The Joker portrayed in The Dark Knight.

I actually liked the movie even more, after watching the bluray (though same would go for any home release). it's just a really, really, really good movie. everyone's performence is excellent, and while the pacing may be a little slow, at least it keeps you focused and not just waiting for action. it's just all cleverly executed. everything about it is top notch.

again; bad-ass fucking movie. if you disagree, you have serious problems.

I disagree..... it suxxed

The Dark Knight is the best movie this year. I don't read comic books and I couldn't care less about Batman outside of this movie but goddamn! Comparisons to Godfather are a bit much but that's due only to Godfather's awesomeness and not at all to any failing on TDK's part.

Are there many special features on the bluray version?

yeah, there are special features. but I don't think much more extra than the double disc DVD, besides pop-up menu and BD Live features.

as far as it being compared to The Godfather, I disagreed with that as well. I thought it was an excellent film, but seeing it above The Godfather on IMDB made me a little mad. it's perhaps The Godfather of comics, yeah. but no better or worse. they're totally different in their own ways. though I couldn't argue when TDK was pushed back to #2.

yeah, there are special features. but I don't think much more extra than the double disc DVD, besides pop-up menu and BD Live features.

as far as it being compared to The Godfather, I disagreed with that as well. I thought it was an excellent film, but seeing it above The Godfather on IMDB made me a little mad. it's perhaps The Godfather of comics, yeah. but no better or worse. they're totally different in their own ways. though I couldn't argue when TDK was pushed back to #2.

The Godfather comparison always seemed ridiculous to me. I mean, genre-wise, TDK is in the same category as Heat, and I think most would agree that Heat is (much?) better. Even so, I would still have a hard time saying that Heat is better or worse than The Godfather.

There's also the issue of cross-genre comparisons. You can't really say that the dramatic genre of The Godfather is "better" than another genre, because great films in any category leave you feeling great. I dunno...whenever you start trying to say that any one movie is "the best", you're going to run into trouble.

On that note, if I really had to choose, I'd pick City of God over both The Godfather and Heat. That movie got things done perfectly on pretty much every level.

I don't know if I'd call Heat much better than TDK. I'd put them on near the same level myself.

Also, I don't know why everyone gets all over The Godfather's jock. It was a good movie, but I wouldn't call it the best ever. I much preferred The Godfather Part II.

I don't know if I'd call Heat much better than TDK. I'd put them on near the same level myself.


Maybe. But you're the guy who puts Alien in another "realm" than TDK.

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EDIT: Godfather 2 was great, but over-long.

Maybe. But you're the guy who puts Alien in another "realm" than TDK.

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EDIT: Godfather 2 was great, but over-long.
Godfather 2 is the greatest movie of all time, mawfug.

Maybe. But you're the guy who puts Alien in another "realm" than TDK.

No I'm not.

Learn to fucking read.

No I'm not.

Learn to fucking read.

Lawl, whoops. How the fuck did I mix you up with 33% God. Sorry.

Lawl, whoops. How the fuck did I mix you up with 33% God. Sorry.

It's okay.

Also, I don't know why everyone gets all over The Godfather's jock. It was a good movie, but I wouldn't call it the best ever. I much preferred The Godfather Part II.

Well, while I enjoy The first two Godfather films alot (I own the boxset) I wouldn't say they're my favorite either. though I am understanding of the difference between personal and popular opinion. but I would say Part II was the better of either (let's not even aknowledge Part III, please), no doubt. and I will mention Apocalypse Now (another Coppola film) is infact my favorite film.

the only truely personal comparison of mine between The Dark Knight and The Godfather would be that Nolan will not be able to outbest TDK with the next Batman (if he even dares to do it). no way at all. he just over did it. that's why people don't put so much quality awesomeness into one film. theres going to be so many mixed feelings over this next Batman. take my word.

Well, while I enjoy The first two Godfather films alot (I own the boxset) I wouldn't say they're my favorite either. though I am understanding of the difference between personal and popular opinion. but I would say Part II was the better of either (let's not even aknowledge Part III, please), no doubt. and I will mention Apocalypse Now (another Coppola film) is infact my favorite film.

the only truely personal comparison of mine between The Dark Knight and The Godfather would be that Nolan will not be able to outbest TDK with the next Batman (if he even dares to do it). no way at all. he just over did it. that's why people don't put so much quality awesomeness into one film. theres going to be so many mixed feelings over this next Batman. take my word.

He could certainly outdo himself. TDK had plenty of flaws, and without Ledger's performance, it would be quite mediocre. With a better script (which he's certainly capable of writing), and possibly another headlining, creepy villain, he could definitely have a better third movie.

EDIT: I agree about Apocalypse Now. I think I like that better than The Godfather, though the genres are just so different. One is a trippy mindfuck that goes good with alcohol and cigarettes, and The Godfather is like...a period-piece family crime drama.

to me, it's the conceptual layers which makes The Dark Knight so additionally good. it's more about Harvey Dent than it is Batman or The Joker. that can't be done twice. if TDK had any flaws, they were very, very small and made little difference. and if you're talking as compared to the comics, just get over it.

the next villain better be Black Mask.

to me, it's the conceptual layers which makes The Dark Knight so additionally good. it's more about Harvey Dent than it is Batman or The Joker. that can't be done twice. if TDK had any flaws, they were very, very small and made little difference. and if you're talking as compared to the comics, just get over it.

the next villain better be Black Mask.

I was thinking of some editing quirks, anticlimactic pacing, underwhelming action set-pieces (ie. Batman flying over Hong Kong, in IMAX no less, was absurdly unexciting), unintentional cheesiness, and the fact that Heath Ledger was the only one really giving a performance.

I liked the plot, though it also didn't feel complete. They should complete the story arch in a final movie (Batman as a fugitive would definitely make for an interesting plotline), and since they don't have much of a chance in hell of surpassing Ledger's performance, Nolan and his brother should write an awesome, intelligent, deep script (TDK's plot was interesting, but I'd hardly call it deep) and focus more on Bruce Wayne again. Spice it up with some intense, creative action sequences, and they could have another hit.

I certainly agree that the odds aren't in favor of an even better 3rd movie, but if Nolan writes and directs it, I see no way in hell that it would be anything less than very good. So, all in all, I'd say the main factor as to whether the 3rd movie will be great or not is whether Nolan signs on. He is probably still exhausted after that movie though, but who knows?

are you trying to get a point across, or are you just trying to make me sound wrong about everything?

I'm saying The Dark Knight was great and that the next film has a slim chance of being better. you're saying The Dark Knight wasn't that great, but the next one has the potential to be greater. you're not making much sense, in contrast.

don't get me wrong; of course I'd love the next Batman film to be good, if not better. but I just can't see it. if you think Ledger is the only thing that made TDK good, than you're just shouting from a crowd of a million idiots. it's almost to an extent to where it's a shame that he died only because that's what TDK will be remembered as. not as a good film. but the vehicle of yet another dead movie star. my entire point of making this thread. outright exploitation. exactly what the film makers are attempting to avoid. the entire movie consists of an all-out respectable cast for fuck's sake. you have:

Christian Bale, Aaron Eckhart, and veteran actors such as Gary Oldman, Micheal Caine and Morgan motherfuckin' Freeman; and you're saying Heath Ledger is the only one who gave a solid performance? get the fuck out of here.

but then again, of course Ledger gave the only "memorable" performance. he's the villain for fuck's sake. the main focus of the fucking film. and on top of that, he's dressed in vibrant colors. what do you think most people will remember nonetheless? a quite and seriously toned scene of Micheal Caine giving Bruce Wayne some small advice, or The Joker blowing up an entire fucking hospital?

are you trying to get a point across, or are you just trying to make me sound wrong about everything?

I'm saying The Dark Knight was great and that the next film has a slim chance of being better. you're saying The Dark Knight wasn't that great, but the next one has the potential to be greater. you're not making much sense, in contrast.

don't get me wrong; of course I'd love the next Batman film to be good, if not better. but I just can't see it. if you think Ledger is the only thing that made TDK good, than you're just shouting from a crowd of a million idiots. it's almost to an extent to where it's a shame that he died only because that's what TDK will be remembered as. not as a good film. but the vehicle of yet another dead movie star. my entire point of making this thread. outright exploitation. exactly what the film makers are attempting to avoid. the entire movie consists of an all-out respectable cast for fuck's sake. you have:

Christian Bale, Aaron Eckhart, and veteran actors such as Gary Oldman, Micheal Caine and Morgan motherfuckin' Freeman; and you're saying Heath Ledger is the only one who gave a solid performance? get the fuck out of here.

My point was: TDK was really, really good, but Nolan could still top it with a 3rd movie. How could he top it? By making a deeper, plot-driven movie (ie. like The Prestige), instead of a villain-driven one, and making sure he doesn't repeat any of TDK's minor flaws. By making another villain-centered movie, he would have to go up against Ledger's Joker, and that would be a hell of a challenge for both him as a writer, and for whatever actor he hired for the role.

I suppose it's not fair to say that "Ledger had the only performance". Oldman did a good job as Gordon, and Eckhart did a good job with Harvey Dent. But you're kidding yourself if you think that anyone other than The Joker carried this film. It would be utterly forgettable without that character. Anyways, I was particularly directing my "performance" comment toward Bale, who really might as well have been a supporting actor to Ledger or Eckhart. It probably had to do with the fact that he spent much of the film growling in a bat suit. It's not a comment on his acting skills (so maybe I shouldn't have used the word "performance"), but it really seemed like the writers practically discarded the human aspect of Batman, and that was a mistake.

Last thing: Ledger's death has nothing to do with why people were crazy about the movie or The Joker. It was just by far the best and most interesting performance in the entire film.

Bought the two-disc special edition on blu-ray, just watching it now. I got it for $30!!! I was expecting to pay twice that :)

I'm so sick of people not giving Bale enoguh credit for his performance.

He was supposed to seem mundane, boring and unimpressive next the Joker. The Joker is supposed to be wild and uninhibited. That wouldn't have been helped if Bale put in a charasmatic performance as Batman. Batman is a dark character and isn't supposed to be fun. He's conflicted, self-doubting and dark.

Bale really put in a great performance to help contrast Ledger's Joker. It wasn't just because Ledger put in a great job and make Bale look weak in comparison :rolleyes:.

I'm so sick of people not giving Bale enoguh credit for his performance.

He was supposed to seem mundane, boring and unimpressive next the Joker. The Joker is supposed to be wild and uninhibited. That wouldn't have been helped if Bale put in a charasmatic performance as Batman. Batman is a dark character and isn't supposed to be fun. He's conflicted, self-doubting and dark.

Bale really put in a great performance to help contrast Ledger's Joker. It wasn't just because Ledger put in a great job and make Bale look weak in comparison :rolleyes:.
Damn fucking straight.

To be honest, I think it was a stupid fucking movie. I didn't even watch the last five minutes, I couldn't do it. It just dragged on.

Keep in mind, Blockbuster action movies aren't the kind of movie I usually enjoy, but I found this to be especially bland and way over hyped.

First of all, I literally laughed out loud when I first heard Batman talk. What's the issue here. Does he seriously think he so cool that he needs to talk in that retarded macho fucking voice? Does that silly spandex suit constrict his throat so much that it inhibits his speech? Is it his ultimate final goal to find a throat lozenge? Not to mention the pouty face he is constantly making.

Like everyone else though, I really liked the Joker. I realize he was supposed to be a fucking weirdo while all the other characters were sane, but really he was the only character with any fucking personality. We never even really find out shit about anyone else. I really have no idea what kind of person Batman is, other then some husky talkin furry.

In closing, if I here one more person try and re-enact the "my father was a drinker" scene at a party one more time, I'm going to fucking kill myself.

Like everyone else though, I really liked the Joker. I realize he was supposed to be a fucking weirdo while all the other characters were sane, but really he was the only character with any fucking personality. We never even really find out shit about anyone else. I really have no idea what kind of person Batman is, other then some husky talkin furry.

Batman is a well established character now. He's supposed to be dark, self-doubting, conflicted and unsure of what he's doing. He's an anti-hero not a good guy.

The first and second film's Gotham has been set out to be generally very grey and drone-like. Along with serious performances portraying "normal people": Morgan Freeman, Aaron Eckhart, Michael Caine, you also have Bale's Batman: an over-the-top almost performance to really illustrate his dark, raspy, brooding nature. He's the suave business man as Bruce Wayne but he really needs to set that tone as Batman to bring out Ledger's role.

Ledger's character was brightly coloured in a film lacking colours, he was manic in a film where the rest of the cast are sane and reserved. It wasa good performance but it's not like it wasn't planned out by the director to not have help.

*vaginal blood all over thread*
I don't agree with anything you said except about people re-enacting Joker scenes. I fucking hate when people do that shit, like they think they know a pebble shit about acting. Faggots.

I'm so sick of people not giving Bale enoguh credit for his performance.

He was supposed to seem mundane, boring and unimpressive next the Joker. The Joker is supposed to be wild and uninhibited. That wouldn't have been helped if Bale put in a charasmatic performance as Batman. Batman is a dark character and isn't supposed to be fun. He's conflicted, self-doubting and dark.

Bale really put in a great performance to help contrast Ledger's Joker. It wasn't just because Ledger put in a great job and make Bale look weak in comparison :rolleyes:.

This needs to be quoted again.

I'm so sick of people not giving Bale enoguh credit for his performance.

He was supposed to seem mundane, boring and unimpressive next the Joker. The Joker is supposed to be wild and uninhibited. That wouldn't have been helped if Bale put in a charasmatic performance as Batman. Batman is a dark character and isn't supposed to be fun. He's conflicted, self-doubting and dark.

Bale really put in a great performance to help contrast Ledger's Joker. It wasn't just because Ledger put in a great job and make Bale look weak in comparison :rolleyes:.

Shut the fuck up. Bale didn't do a damn thing in this movie, aside from stay fit and deliver some boring lines through a voice modulator. Saying "But he's supposed to be mundane and boring" doesn't change the fact that he was mundane and boring. He was a pretty interesting character in the first movie, but here he was just filling the bat suit.

Like I said in a previous post, I don't think the role's general lameness was a reflection on Bale, but rather a reflection on the writers. If you substitute the Scarecrow or Ras Aghul with The Joker, this movie would have been worse than the first one. So, when they get around to making part 3, whatever they do, they need to make sure the movie doesn't rely on one character being extremely awesome.