Hidden Hand, an evolved, negative entity, answers questions regarding many subjects, including the Harvest of 2012.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1


Quite interesting... many of the same ideas as the Law of One.


edit: upon further reading... this entity is only "negative" to show us "that which we are not". It says it is much the same as Ra, in terms of evolution and an involvement karmically with the people of Earth.

Fucking read it... I found it to be as inspiring as the Ra material.

Here's something that explains the history more in depth.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=1952&page=1

Towards the end of the topic I think is where it really starts to shine ;) Not in a crazy, holy shit this is happening kind of way, but in a more esoteric sense, which I find more appealing then "aliens and conspiracies".

This is really interesting but I am pretty sure this fits in the conspiracy section not here.

This is unlike the Ra material because this is about a person, alive right now, not a spirit contact through a Ouija board(If I am thinking of the right thing).

Due to the intelligence of "Hidden Hand" I am willing to believe it might be possible that this is real. Hidden Hand also acts very much exactly like I expected the people who are members of this family to act.


On second thought, this has a ton of information relevant to this forum and possibly a few others.

Wow. Those two links in this thread is so much information, you could spend days processing it.

Really enlightening for sure.

Hidden Hand inspired me so much, I feel like a dumbass for ever trolling anywhere.

I feel like a dumbass for ever trolling anywhere.

Hahaha.


Congrats, you've just learned a lesson.

I think godlike was the site they were talking about in 2003, I'll try to find the link.

I found a link that has only the questions and answers:
http://home.comcast.net/~readingnews/Hidden_Hand.html
Wow, this is some trippy stuff.
Thanks.

See, I don't like this:

“You are essentially saying that a soul can only choose positivity in a world where negativity also exists

I'm not saying positivity is bad, I'm saying it's not the ONLY choice. There is a middle road. That is beyond both those extremes in which we CHOOSE and LIVE the positivity we so blindly accept. Many of these beings are programmed to believe in certain things, they cannot grasp the meaning of a balance. So, a war for souls erupts where both sides compete. Some want us for love, because they feed off that energy (so I've read) and some want us for fear, paranoia, etc because they feed off that energy.

I like some of things he says, and yes I believe some of his words ring with truth, but ultimately I believe you are trading one form of control for another. He speaks of evolution, but does he speak of freedom? Sovereignty from control?

There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must play our parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator.

This I find very disturbing. I also find it disturbing that so many found his talk "inspirational" when he speaks of his "faction" needing a "Negative harvest". I wonder how many people will accept death with a smile on their face, blindly walking into the fire thinking "Daddy said we need this to happen". Does anyone not see the absurdity of such a claim?

See, I don't like this:



I'm not saying positivity is bad, I'm saying it's not the ONLY choice. There is a middle road. That is beyond both those extremes in which we CHOOSE and LIVE the positivity we so blindly accept. Many of these beings are programmed to believe in certain things, they cannot grasp the meaning of a balance. So, a war for souls erupts where both sides compete. Some want us for love, because they feed off that energy (so I've read) and some want us for fear, paranoia, etc because they feed off that energy.

I like some of things he says, and yes I believe some of his words ring with truth, but ultimately I believe you are trading one form of control for another. He speaks of evolution, but does he speak of freedom? Sovereignty from control?



This I find very disturbing. I also find it disturbing that so many found his talk "inspirational" when he speaks of his "faction" needing a "Negative harvest". I wonder how many people will accept death with a smile on their face, blindly walking into the fire thinking "Daddy said we need this to happen". Does anyone not see the absurdity of such a claim?


Well you must always remember, this being, like Ra, values our free will. That's the most important thing. Ra preached unconditional love. Hidden Hand tells of the same things, while informing us that his "family" is of extreme negative polarity. The way I understand it is the family creates this negativity to give us a choice. It is all an exercise of our free will in my opinion. We have the choice to act in any way we see fit, no matter what.

I may have missed the point of your post... I just woke up.

I may have missed the point of your post... I just woke up.

Good, now you can't forget what you've and take it with you throughout the day. There's lots of learning and teaching ahead for everyone ;)

Ok. I'll play. I will read your posts of games. I will update you as to whether or not I learned anything.


edit: haha, it's ironic that he mentions games so many times. Can't say I really 'learned' anything but it was a useful recycling. Somewhat clarifying and empowering. Catalysts and all.

Once you know what the magician knows, it's not magic. It's a 'tool of Creation'.

That's cool too. Someone I know recently made an IRC channel called #5D (Like D') to discuss certain topics that parallel this. I had earlier 'made up' the archetype of the "magician and the architect" to attempt and help someone with some problems in 'good times'.. I told him of my endeavor and he changed the topic to "Where the Architect meets the Magician".

But you know, what he mentions about the mirror... When you are 'right into it', it serves as a cataclyst for 'feeling good' and change. Personally, for me, it has often turned to something along the lines of the meeting of 2 casual accquaintances. It is just a more direct metaphor, if you get the drift.

"Hi"
'Hello there!'
"Well... ah... I wanted to ask.. well... hmm.. okay yeah.. >.>"
'Okay :)"


As for this:


This I find very disturbing. I also find it disturbing that so many found his talk "inspirational" when he speaks of his "faction" needing a "Negative harvest". I wonder how many people will accept death with a smile on their face, blindly walking into the fire thinking "Daddy said we need this to happen". Does anyone not see the absurdity of such a claim?

Well, it's like the other dude said. On a superficial level it would seem outright evil and unbenefitial. I don't really know about the factual validity of all the different 'zones' but evil is understandable.

On the one hand you have the notion of human evil, which is definately understandable. Genetics and experiences breeding behaviour. Will power is a factor there too but then the struggle for 'good' is much harder.

As for evil in the context of a 'oneness', it's just another game. That's really the only way to put it. The whole 'progress through karmic levels' thing is kind of muddled and unclear, but I suppose it is better to be safe than sorry. You are 'self-serving', empathetic and loving all at the same time.

As for accepting death with a smile on your face, that's a misconception in my opinion. You have to fight as a 'scientific deterministic human being' and as a 'supraspiritual entity' at the same time. I will fight and kill if I have to, because it will better serve me and (I hope) those who will be around me if they can gain positive affect from my presence.

something something something, art is awesome, listen to good music and be nice. Hope you found this entertaining.

One more thing for Dreams of the Iris... Were you intentionally aiming for the exact wording in the last sentence? Jungian slips I calls em.

"The 26,000 year cycle of the Homo Sapien's evolution and development is mirrored by the 260-day cycle of human gestation. Collective humanity is right now maturing into the being we have long been encoded to be. As with any labor, it is not the mother, or the baby, who is in charge - it is the primal process of Birth itself unfolding its own destiny. "

This is in both the hidden hand text and this website:

The Mayan Prophecy of 2012 (http://www.13moon.com/prophecy%20page.htm)

I don't know why.

"The 26,000 year cycle of the Homo Sapien's evolution and development is mirrored by the 260-day cycle of human gestation".

With all due respect, I don't buy this--strikes me as the "As above, so below" thing carried to a reductio ad absurdum.

And I have trouble with that "negative harvest" thing--at the highest level, there is no such thing as positive or negative, good or evil--there is only unity.

As for evil in the context of a 'oneness', it's just another game.

I don't see evil in 'oneness'. I see people not understanding and not putting meaning behind that word/concept. They see words. They see "enlightenment", "love", "peace", "freedom", but what do those mean? I can say what they mean, but it won't mean anything to you now would it? So, if you don't understand and you don't live those things (and living would imply a firm understanding, your own understanding) then you'd be following something blindly, accepting it without actually knowing what it means. I see a lot of people saying "I want love and peace". That's great. But it's one thing to say that and not understand who you are on all levels and it's another thing entirely to say that and actually live it with a firm understanding of who you are. We call those people balanced, harmonious. So, what I am after is not some word called "oneness". I'm after balance, harmony. Not light. Not dark. Clarity.

As for accepting death with a smile on your face, that's a misconception in my opinion. You have to fight as a 'scientific deterministic human being' and as a 'supraspiritual entity' at the same time. I will fight and kill if I have to, because it will better serve me and (I hope) those who will be around me if they can gain positive affect from my presence.

Yes, this is something I believe. But, who are you fighting? What are you fighting for? These are things I'm asking myself and am having to learn. You might have to deal with entities, spirits, etc or in the near or distant future, actual soldiers/police/whoever. When dealing with the more "fringe" things, spirits and such, I've learned that when you make a claim, when you say something like "Leave me alone" or "I am sovereign, you cannot harm me", those claims are basically, as someone very wise said, "Hot air" when you don't actually know who you are on all levels, when you are unbalanced or in internal conflict. Those claims are always useless no matter who you are speaking to; whether it be spirit, human or otherwise. They mean nothing because you aren't actually living those things, you are proving that you are actually afraid. A "scared piece of meat" who doesn't understand and whose claims aren't true. Like a child who doesn't really know anything.


I hope that made sense.



One more thing for Dreams of the Iris... Were you intentionally aiming for the exact wording in the last sentence? Jungian slips I calls em.

The absurdity of his claim? Yeah that's what I meant to say. Why do you call them Jungian slips?

With all due respect, I don't buy this--strikes me as the "As above, so below" thing carried to a reductio ad absurdum.

And I have trouble with that "negative harvest" thing--at the highest level, there is no such thing as positive or negative, good or evil--there is only unity.

That's what I thought.

The idea of a mirror universe, a counter-part to every transfer of energy and every piece of 'matter' in this universe, is interesting though.

Stuff

I don't mean evil IN oneness. You misunderstand me. Oneness is just oneness, and whether it's good, evil, balanced, clear or limited in and of itself is not in my ability to say. It's like splitting hairs with a microscope.

Fight who or what? To defend myself or someone else if I am justified in my defenses? Who or what? Spirits? What would spirits want with me?

So.. how do you defend yourself? Psychic self-defense? Set up a little mental barrier... maybe get some positive reinforcement going?

Aren't actually living those things? You're talking about artistic 'multidimensional' synchronous manifestations and you're then about some infallible system of belief? I don't get it. Don't the dead dream too?

How are you supposed to recognize what you can never truly see? I thought the whole point was that it was exactly the opposite of unequivocal.

Balance and harmony? Sure they sound nice, but to what purpose? Okay, balance in humanity, for a generally positive purpose right? Not too much 'evil', not too much 'good'. Then what? We go around attempting to help balance 'other' beings while on our own quest of spiritual progression? To the next place? And then we are 'integrated into some oneness'? And we/it do what after wards? What is the purpose of that?

Really now.... I don't mean to be rude, but I find it more than hard to believe using any method of interpretation other than closed eye faith to believe you have life so easily sorted into a chain of self-refilling sandboxes.


Oh yeah, and about the Jungian slips. Archetypal slip-ups seeping through your behaviour. Freudian with a touch of mysticism. Behaviour as an art form. It's hard to say but that's how it goes.

Fight who or what? To defend myself or someone else if I am justified in my defenses? Who or what? Spirits? What would spirits want with me?

I was just using that as an example. If you fight in defense, great, but many people I see want to fight to bring down the system when they really don't know what the hell they are fighting for in the first place.



So.. how do you defend yourself? Psychic self-defense? Set up a little mental barrier... maybe get some positive reinforcement going?

You could start there, sure. Physical defense is different then psychic, but when you die do you want to die afraid? Or do you want to leave this place. Not be confined here for another go around.



Aren't actually living those things? You're talking about artistic 'multidimensional' synchronous manifestations and you're then about some infallible system of belief? I don't get it. Don't the dead dream too?

I'm not sure I understand what you meant here. Could you clarify? The belief is just that. A belief. Nothing more nothing less.


Balance and harmony? Sure they sound nice, but to what purpose? Okay, balance in humanity, for a generally positive purpose right? Not too much 'evil', not too much 'good'. Then what? We go around attempting to help balance 'other' beings while on our own quest of spiritual progression? To the next place? And then we are 'integrated into some oneness'? And we/it do what after wards? What is the purpose of that?


There is no mission here. This is just a belief after all. Maybe the universe is not trying to balance itself out, maybe it really is good and there really is a God doing this and that and maybe JC really did die and he spent a weekend in hell, I don't know. I don't know anything. Nobody does and anybody who pretends to is fooling themselves. Nothing is absolute.



Really now.... I don't mean to be rude, but I find it more than hard to believe using any method of interpretation other than closed eye faith to believe you have life so easily sorted into a chain of self-refilling sandboxes.


This concept is still quite new to me ;) I don't have anything figured out.
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Hummana hummanah. Thanks for taking things in stride, I was being a fuck.

The belief goes something like this.

The Spirit or Astral planes/worlds exists. The physical world interacts with these planes in some such way through some and such boundaries. The details aren't important. A lot of beliefs parallel the notions that human beings are somehow a part of this spiritual world and retain some form of their ego construct when passing on. If the physical world interacts with the spiritual world (atleast in the minds of the self-organizing time-knitters known as men, women and aliens) then the spiritual world must always at all times interact with the physical world where a being of consciousness is involved.

'For life to interact with said awesoworlds, some form of consciousness that is aware of itself should be present'. To elaborate on this, I here make the assumption that on some level that this consciousness must be aware of its nature as a spiritual being, or have some form of awareness and knowledge about the nature of the spirit world (denial of time? precognition? then what of permanence? etc). If, then, you consider both the 'harmless natural ego' and the 'self-preserving, afraid and sadistic ego' you'll find that one is natural and the other is gainging more awareness of itself but is afraid (of losing itself? ego thinks of itself as the life? hedonism? confusion ensures.) This is denial and self-hypnosis (negative lights for negative rooms). No doubt a fuckton of catchy buzzwords apply.

If the ego is to preserve itself, it must be creative in its application of its power. Mind games, hypnosis, hunting prey, mew mew mew etc.

Then there is the combination of memory and the imagination, as well as the ego. Clearly much more is happening than we are conscious of (as ego constructs perceiving many contradicting things at once) but the real question is "why is that happening inside of my head? outside?"

Naturally I would assume that the unconscious and subconscious can think faster than you can catch on (if they do in fact think, and are not in and outside of fact hedonistically driven impulses, or some other form of human faggotry). Maybe you can catch on to this, but it is not direct experience. It would be metaphorical (dreaming, tripping, living? whatever. It's all metaphorical because you are integrating/interacting with the construct you have made for that 'thing' that you are experiencing before hand when you interact with it in full lucidity)

I hope you can extrapolate to understand what I've said or how I've said it, but I don't have a clear model for it either. It's a double edged s-word but it actually works out in my favour for the moment.

Finnegan's Wake? http://tryptamind.com/audio/Terence_McKenna/Terence%20McKenna%20-%20Finnegins%20Wake%201.mp3
[http://tryptamind.com/mckenna_audio.html]

I have been obsessed with the concept of that book for a long time. Before I even knew of a way to describe it.

Too much, man. It's hard to talk about what you don't really know, amirite. If I could just send it all over to you I'd probably re-evaluate it and end up changing my 'beliefs'. Well I hope not anyway...

God forbid I really belived it. The only thing I know is that it is solipsistic semi-hypnosis if it is not what I feel it is.

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I'm thankful for reading that.Peace

Interesting read. Although I can't help but question it's source, it was interesting nonetheless.