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no dice
2008-12-10, 20:50
Well, I don't know the general feeling about this knives, so forgive me if this is some ghastly error.
I had always liked the look and function of the SOG knives. And one in particular caught my eye. The SOG Desert Dagger, however it is discontinued. I have found some sites and places that sell it, most over 200$ and only one under that, at the price of 162$.
I was wondering if any of you had opinions on these knives in general, or if you know places where I could find it cheaper.

Just anything really that can point me in a good direction.

Random_Looney
2008-12-10, 20:59
Every SOG I've seen, handled, and thought about owning was a good knife. I respect the company.

jodevilgod1
2008-12-10, 23:50
For $200 you can get a used Strider, a new swamp rat or Ontario fixed blade.

But its your cash.

I Fought The Law
2008-12-10, 23:52
I've been wanting to get a decent fixed blade for a while. I've got a little crkt m16sf folder which is a awesome knife because of the paddles.

Been thinking of getting a SOG Seal Team Elite or a Strider WB. Both look petty good to me. Allthough I'd love a SOG Kiku I cant justify the cost for something that'll get a good work out.

jodevilgod1
2008-12-11, 00:01
SOG or Strider? Like comparing a smart car to a tank.

I have the WBSS. It can indeed pry doors off their hinges!

heisler2
2008-12-12, 16:53
I'm curious about the Desert Dagger/Daggert too. I'd like to own at least one dagger style knife in the future for fun and historical interest. I can't decide whether the modern ones or medieval reproductions hold more appeal for me. One thing's for sure: I haven't been able to find a dagger of any decent quality for less than $150. They all seem to be either high-end weapons or ultra-cheap Chinese letter openers with no middle ground for the casual collector. I wish someone like Kabar or Buck would make a simple dagger in a decent steel with a functional grip (I love Buck's Diamondback handles) and sell it for $100 or less.

The Return
2008-12-12, 19:12
LOL fuck all of this stupid poser tacticool desert SOG tiger stripe faggot shit.

http://www.knifetests.com/KnifeTestsPage2.html

Check out the "cheaper than dirt rough use knife". It outperforms the Strider, SOG, etc. Even some of Cold Steel's shit is better than Strider. Just because it isn't a novelty product and doesn't look pretty doesn't mean it isn't worth your money. I have one and I fuck with it all the time, best fucking knife I've ever owned. Takes a great edge and lasts for a long fucking time too. Less than 25 dollars shipped from (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com).

jodevilgod1
2008-12-12, 20:52
Yea I bet if I whacked my strider with a hammer it would shatter too. ATS34 is brittle.

That CTD knife dosent hold an edge for shit. The handles comes off at its own will. The sheath is a joke.

I know you think its the shit, cause you own shitty ass knives.

Fuck all you guys guntests magazine says a Jennings is the bomb for $900 less than your Kimber jodevilgod1!

You bastards crack me up.

The Return
2008-12-13, 02:07
Check out their test of a strider. It doesn't withstand nearly as much stress as the CTD knife. Perhaps you simply don't know how to put an edge on a knife? Honestly I would rather buy 10000000000 of these CTD knives than ever have purchased my Mike Snody model 1.

I Fought The Law
2008-12-13, 02:28
There was some link here to a video a while back that had some guy stress test a 19.95 made in china knife that held up just as well as sog, strider, cold steel.

The Return
2008-12-13, 02:35
Must have been the same one, in the link in this thread. These knives are simply incredible. I'm so tired of this myth that because a blade has been hand forged by some white trash pieces of shit that invent their professions and novelize it for it to be worth a shit, to the point where retards like jodrivelhog1 actually support them. A Chinese factory can put out heat treated blades of higher quality than these shitheads and you won't have to cry when the tip breaks off or when you get some gunk on the blade. Just because it doesn't look as pretty, and isn't a novelty, people dislike it.

ilovechronic
2008-12-13, 03:25
Must have been the same one, in the link in this thread. These knives are simply incredible. I'm so tired of this myth that because a blade has been hand forged by some white trash pieces of shit that invent their professions and novelize it for it to be worth a shit, to the point where retards like jodrivelhog1 actually support them. A Chinese factory can put out heat treated blades of higher quality than these shitheads and you won't have to cry when the tip breaks off or when you get some gunk on the blade. Just because it doesn't look as pretty, and isn't a novelty, people dislike it.

dude are you even going to make a post where you are not bitch and complaining about other peoples stuff. Or about the regulars on here?

not everyone likes cheapshit like you dude.

The Return
2008-12-13, 03:29
Yeah thanks for summarizing my point for me, it's unfortunate that more people aren't willing to pay less for a superior product, that they would rather pay outrageous amounts of money for knives that look pretty and are novelized/marketed towards posers.

ilovechronic
2008-12-13, 04:09
Yeah thanks for summarizing my point for me, it's unfortunate that more people aren't willing to pay less for a superior product, that they would rather pay outrageous amounts of money for knives that look pretty and are novelized/marketed towards posers.

No, people like quality product. it is not about novelty at all. You just like to bitch and complain because you like cheap chinese crap. If youdont like it that is fine but if you want to bitch about it GOTO BITCH AND MOAN. that is what it is for.

Bckpckr
2008-12-13, 04:10
No, people like quality product. it is not about novelty at all. You just like to bitch and complain because you like cheap chinese crap. If youdont like it that is fine but if you want to bitch about it GOTO BITCH AND MOAN. that is what it is for.
Just put him on ignore, I did and the silence is quite nice. :) Besides, when he signed up a few days ago he forgot to put in his full username: The Return [of Robert Plywood].

I Fought The Law
2008-12-13, 07:59
This is the kind of knife testing I want to see.

Bunny vs Busse BM

http://i35.tinypic.com/8y8byx.jpg

jodevilgod1
2008-12-13, 23:53
Must have been the same one, in the link in this thread. These knives are simply incredible. I'm so tired of this myth that because a blade has been hand forged by some white trash pieces of shit that invent their professions and novelize it for it to be worth a shit, to the point where retards like jodrivelhog1 actually support them. A Chinese factory can put out heat treated blades of higher quality than these shitheads and you won't have to cry when the tip breaks off or when you get some gunk on the blade. Just because it doesn't look as pretty, and isn't a novelty, people dislike it.

Nobody wants your poor mans Ginzu knife. Im glad it stands up to your ADD ass sitting in your backyard and hacking on trees and hitting it with a hammer. Good for you. Im not a limp wristed bitch that has to try to convince people my product works. Everyone knows Strider's reputation, Ive carried them in combat, so have many other soldiers. The guys who make them are veterans themselves, THEY make their knives, and they know what a combat knife should be. I like that better than some enslaved 13 year old foreign kid banging on some metal in a dungeon to produce your shitty ass butter knife.


Nobody on this forum cares for your opinion, or for some hick with a video camera and a 2x4 "testing" knives.

Dont hate on me cause I make enough money to buy a cool toy every now and then.

The Return
2008-12-14, 01:56
Everyone knows Strider's reputation, Ive carried them in combat, so have many other soldiers. The guys who make them are veterans themselves, THEY make their knives, and they know what a combat knife should be. I like that better than some enslaved 13 year old foreign kid banging on some metal in a dungeon to produce your shitty ass butter knife.

Since when does carrying a knife in combat warrant this kind of artificial elitism? Soldiers have very little use for knives these days. Once again, the dungeon knives have proven to be more durable than the novelty knives. I would rather take a CTD rough use knife for usage in combat, which would amount to fuck all aside from maybe prying open a sealed munitions can in a pinch. What exactly did you use your 450 dollar knife for? Did you deflect bullets as you cleared an entire villa with it? Did you use it's samurai powers, instilled within the tiger stripes seared in to the blade by the dishonorably discharged cooks to send hurricane wind blast across the desert, alerting the taliban to your Wapanese mall ninja ass?

What exactly do you dislike about the knife tests? Would you prefer he use the knife to do tacticool judo throws and pry doors open? Would you prefer he stab them in to concrete and use them as a ladder to surmount a talibani castle, so that he could use his strider to engage them in SAMURAI COMBAT? Does the video need to be a bit more novelized and elitist for you? 2x4's aren't good enough for a sucker like hodowngod1, it needs to be synthetic flesh over kevlar armor in a pristine, studio environment. Oh and the testers can't be wearing jumpsuits and running shoes they have to be wearing BDU's, knee pads, vests, helmets, goggles, balaclavas and some faggot ass robotic movement/cutting/drawing/video game esque shit.

The knife was put through metal hundreds of times. They hammered it in to wood countless numbers of times. The knife displayed grate flexibility and chopping capability. These tests are tougher, both in terms of force and extensiveness than you would ever put a knife through. If a knife will survive those tests, cutting humans is no problem. Dropping the blade accidentally from height is no problem. The longer a product can withstand these tests, the greater the resilience and therefore value of the product. Let's not forget your Strider knives couldn't even cut with the same efficiency as a plain rough use knife, despite the tacticool samurai angles and ninja paracord wrap. Feel free to point us in the way of a Strider test online that is a greater gauge of a knife's value overall.

ilovechronic
2008-12-14, 07:26
This is the kind of knife testing I want to see.

Bunny vs Busse BM

http://i35.tinypic.com/8y8byx.jpg

dude thats kind of fucked up. You dont have to be so damn brutal. FUTURE SERIAL KILLER^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!

Since when does carrying a knife in combat warrant this kind of artificial elitism? Soldiers have very little use for knives these days. Once again, the dungeon knives have proven to be more durable than the novelty knives. I would rather take a CTD rough use knife for usage in combat, which would amount to fuck all aside from maybe prying open a sealed munitions can in a pinch. What exactly did you use your 450 dollar knife for? Did you deflect bullets as you cleared an entire villa with it? Did you use it's samurai powers, instilled within the tiger stripes seared in to the blade by the dishonorably discharged cooks to send hurricane wind blast across the desert, alerting the taliban to your Wapanese mall ninja ass?


.
i am going to have to agree with you on that one, no knife should be as much as a freaking rifle or handgun.

Heres my blade:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/HPIM0103.jpg
it was 89$ it is a puma stag horn german hand forged blade(fulltang). i really like it. it was not something i bought it was a gift given to me.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/HPIM0101.jpg
I would definetly prefer this "novelty knife"(whatever that means) to your CTD knife.

jodevilgod1
2008-12-14, 08:34
Since when does carrying a knife in combat warrant this kind of artificial elitism? Soldiers have very little use for knives these days. Once again, the dungeon knives have proven to be more durable than the novelty knives. I would rather take a CTD rough use knife for usage in combat, which would amount to fuck all aside from maybe prying open a sealed munitions can in a pinch. What exactly did you use your 450 dollar knife for? Did you deflect bullets as you cleared an entire villa with it? Did you use it's samurai powers, instilled within the tiger stripes seared in to the blade by the dishonorably discharged cooks to send hurricane wind blast across the desert, alerting the taliban to your Wapanese mall ninja ass?

What exactly do you dislike about the knife tests? Would you prefer he use the knife to do tacticool judo throws and pry doors open? Would you prefer he stab them in to concrete and use them as a ladder to surmount a talibani castle, so that he could use his strider to engage them in SAMURAI COMBAT? Does the video need to be a bit more novelized and elitist for you? 2x4's aren't good enough for a sucker like hodowngod1, it needs to be synthetic flesh over kevlar armor in a pristine, studio environment. Oh and the testers can't be wearing jumpsuits and running shoes they have to be wearing BDU's, knee pads, vests, helmets, goggles, balaclavas and some faggot ass robotic movement/cutting/drawing/video game esque shit.

The knife was put through metal hundreds of times. They hammered it in to wood countless numbers of times. The knife displayed grate flexibility and chopping capability. These tests are tougher, both in terms of force and extensiveness than you would ever put a knife through. If a knife will survive those tests, cutting humans is no problem. Dropping the blade accidentally from height is no problem. The longer a product can withstand these tests, the greater the resilience and therefore value of the product. Let's not forget your Strider knives couldn't even cut with the same efficiency as a plain rough use knife, despite the tacticool samurai angles and ninja paracord wrap. Feel free to point us in the way of a Strider test online that is a greater gauge of a knife's value overall.

LOL I think this is the moron who did the knife tests. How many TOTSE long timers are convinced?

Yes yes and yes muthafucka! Hurry up and jump in moms van before she wont take you to the mall!

Grate flexinility! Than you would ever put a knife thorugh., Step back broke ass counterstriker haha Im done with this topic.

Take your opinions over to Mick and see what he has to say.

The Return
2008-12-14, 11:55
He'll probably wipe the cum off of his chin and say,

"I'm a hardcore individual, buy my products."

I'm glad we can agree on something, ilovechronic.

The Return
2008-12-14, 17:38
LOL, OMG

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453852

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=153133

DarkMe
2008-12-15, 04:37
http://www.knifetests.com/

Oh lawdy.

Trying to hammer blade through concrete is a legitimate test now?

A blade is optimised for certain functions, whether it's edge retention and sharpness for skinning, or toughness for cutting through wood and foliage. Surprise, surprise, when you use a blade for something it isn't optimised for, such as cutting concrete, it sucks at it. The best way to test a blade is not doing stupid things like bending it or doing things you would never ever use a knife for, but actually going out and using it for it's intended function.

The Return
2008-12-15, 13:08
Impact is impact. A knife that can withstand being hammered in to concrete will be less likely to break when inserted in to human flesh at high velocities and possibly in to/around bones. A knife that withstands that will be less likely to chip/break/malfunction when you hit something you weren't intending to contact, something potentially hard.

If "testing a knife" meant taking it out and using it for it's "intended purpose" all knives would prevail as no one puts them through enough stress in everyday activities to warrant a malfunction, unless they got a defect. In that case, all knives would be worth less than fifty dollars, no matter how pretty they look.

Using it for it's intended purpose" is just that, using the knife. However, testing a knife, putting it though rigors that one would not normally go through, to test how the knife may function in an odd scenario, is a good idea (or better yet viewing the results of those who have) seeing as a knife that can better withstand the rigors of the testing methods displayed in that link is a stronger knife overall.

The fact remains the Chinese have put out a better knife than all of these private, novelized manufactures, and it costs less than all of them as well. Knife culture is disgusting, it is the worship of form over function, it's entire premise is novelty.

"High-speed tools for hardcore individuals"... This coming from someone who changed their last name from burger to strider, because his wife was a vegetarian. Some hardcore individual.

DarkMe
2008-12-16, 03:21
Impact is impact.
Not quite. Impact how? What're we testing for exactly? Hardness? Toughness, yield strength? Hammering metal into concrete tells us nothing much in particular except how well it does that (incidentally, softer tougher steel, the kind cheap and poor blades are made out of will resist this better).

There are ways to test this that will yield useful figures (tensile, impact, hardness, fatigue testing and xray to start off) and hammering them into concrete isn't one of them.

If "testing a knife" meant taking it out and using it for it's "intended purpose" all knives would prevail as no one puts them through enough stress in everyday activities to warrant a malfunction, unless they got a defect.
Not everyone uses their knives solely to open boxes and letters.

In that case, all knives would be worth less than fifty dollars, no matter how pretty they look.
Isn't that your point anyway?

as a knife that can better withstand the rigors of the testing methods displayed in that link is a stronger knife overall.
Stronger for what? For say, skinning, I'd want a small, very hard, very sharp knife, which would fail those tests.

The fact remains the Chinese have put out a better knife than all of these private, novelized manufactures, and it costs less than all of them as well. Knife culture is disgusting, it is the worship of form over function, it's entire premise is novelty
The Chinese could, but they don't. Using 440 with a crappy temper and poor quality control does not make a superior knife.

The Return
2008-12-16, 15:18
Not quite. Impact how? What're we testing for exactly? Hardness? Toughness, yield strength? Hammering metal into concrete tells us nothing much in particular except how well it does that (incidentally, softer tougher steel, the kind cheap and poor blades are made out of will resist this better).

It does not matter what we are testing for, a knife that resists cutting in to hard targets will resist cutting in to soft targets as well. The same cannot be said for a blade that will cut soft targets, and fail these tests. This is simple, common sense.


There are ways to test this that will yield useful figures (tensile, impact, hardness, fatigue testing and xray to start off) and hammering them into concrete isn't one of them.

Being hammered in to concrete is a test of tensile capacity, impact, hardness and fatigue.


Not everyone uses their knives solely to open boxes and letters.


What do you use yours for? And how, in any way could it be more stressful that those tests?


Isn't that your point anyway?

Yes it is, and it is unfortunate that most of them do not.



Stronger for what? For say, skinning, I'd want a small, very hard, very sharp knife, which would fail those tests.

Why does the knife need to be very hard? You can make just about any steel extremely sharp. Cutting soft tissue is not stressful in the slightest. I can understand why you would want a shorter knife, they make plenty of affordable ones that aren't novelized and marketed towards the foolish.


The Chinese could, but they don't. Using 440 with a crappy temper and poor quality control does not make a superior knife.

440 is wonderful for knives. If that is even 440. How can you say it does not maker a superior knife? Compared to knives designed for the same purpose, that cost hundreds of dollars more, it proved to be more resilient and a stronger knife not dollar for dollar, but outright superior.

DarkMe
2008-12-17, 00:35
You don't know very much about metallurgy (or logic) do you Return?

I deliberately included a fallacy in my post that anyone who knows even basic metallurgy would have picked up on. Not to mention several logical fallacies.

Either that or you're just trolling.

ilovechronic
2008-12-17, 00:48
He'll probably wipe the cum off of his chin and say,

"I'm a hardcore individual, buy my products."

I'm glad we can agree on something, ilovechronic.
i dont however agree that a 10 dollar chinese balde that will barely hold an edge will suffice. There are knives in between those price ranges that are much better than the chinese crap that falls apart.

The Return
2008-12-17, 01:58
I must admit that I am retarded.

LOL, you're gay.

DarkMe
2008-12-17, 02:52
LOL, you're gay.

Tch, such an ungracious troll.

heisler2
2008-12-19, 07:40
i am going to have to agree with you on that one, no knife should be as much as a freaking rifle or handgun.

Most people use knives a lot more than they do guns. Why not spend more money on them? I see both as an investment, and for me, knives give better returns.