Oh..luckily I foresaw your intent to lure me into comiting an act of "derailment".....thar...

So, I'll bitch and flame you here instead ....

You got infracted for "defacement" Methtroll

[a] And...you can go fuck your self.....

[b] Define : the term "defacement",

As far as I know,...citing / introducing users to meatspin[.]com does not in any way,...defaces a thread. A string of text....leading users to website that portrays what you did with your buddies all the time....does not in itself....defaces a thread.

A thread with a link to a website that contained material that a hypocritical homosexual like you,...find offensive, is not in itself, defaced...in any way, shape or form.

And btw...the term "defacement" is so broad that posting with bad paragraphing, bad grammar, record hi-typo count could also...in the minds of a faggotized mod like you, constitute "defacement" and/or the act of defacement....but hey, I didn't see you handing infraction to people for those "defacement"

[c] Being a proud ENGLISH phag that you are, and being such a proud "native speaker of English language", you phailed gaysiously hard at understanding simple *CONTEXT* in simple english....as when the term "deface" was bunched together with/in :

"Attempt to hack, destroy, deface, or otherwise damage totse.com",

the term "deface" refers to the act of webpage defacement....eg : hacking, and replacing totse's main page with a jpeg of something else....that ...kind of defacement.

Phaggot...


(I could just as easily have called it derailment).

[a] What I said in no way,... thread derailing. It was still pretty much on topic as my post is *still* about kids getting tagged.

[b] Lol,...this, ?! From you...a mod who constantly derails other poster's thread ?? pffftt....homosexuals...

but when you start posting hidden meatspin links I decided you needed a warning shot across the bows.

[a] Well since it wasn't mentioned anywhere on totse in general, and not even in Conspiracy that referring users to a website that describes your sexuality is an punishable offense....there's no basis for the infraction. Unless, I can read your mind ....telepathically or I'm a certified psychic....or a phag like you....

[b] It wasn't a hidden....unless your so retarded that you can't/didn't hover your cursor over it first before you :

*click !!*

That's why I was happy for him to lift the ban - in fact it was my recommendation (TBH, I was expecting you to complain earlier than you did).


Oh, for a moment I thought I heard spricktral ...

If there's a next time, however...

oh yea ?!?!? catch !

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/the_mehtematician/meth_spin.gif

Listen punk, you need your ass punted from totse not for rule-breaking, but simply for being a proven and constant idiot. Lets keep try to keep this clear here, and not try to muddy the facts.

Listen punk, you need your ass punted from totse not for rule-breaking, but simply for being a proven and constant idiot. Lets keep try to keep this clear here, and not try to muddy the facts.

yes....yes...yes...

Conclusion : Not a good mod material...

*shrippppp*
(sound of ass gettin ripped by "never-b-a-mod dildo)

yes....yes...yes...

Conclusion : Not a good mod material...

*shrippppp*
(sound of ass gettin ripped by "never-b-a-mod dildo)
Wait a cotton-pickin' minute, asshole. Didn't you say I was on ignore? Then again, it quite figures that your integrity is about as exhausted as your intelligence.

Wait a cotton-pickin' minute, asshole. Didn't you say I was on ignore? Then again, it quite figures that your integrity is about as exhausted as your intelligence.


It's a courtesy as this is my thread.....and lolololo.....

the day a double headed, forked tounged and dildo shafted snake talks about integrity....and practice it....is

the day stood still....

It's a courtesy as this is my thread.....and lolololo.....

the day a double headed, forked tounged and dildo shafted snake talks about integrity....and practice it....is

the day stood still....I'm not forked-tongued at all, kid. Ironically, that's been my problem all along - I'm too outspoken about the things that matter to me... so much so, that administration even needs to make up top-secret bullshit rules about keeping me out just to make sure they don't get made to look even more like the fools they are in public, if such a thing is even possible, which I doubt.

:( You're right Spectral, these flames are gay.... Unless methematician is a super sexy 32 year old lady.

You suck.

The semi-colon is often used to join together two independent clauses. In other words, it joins two clauses that could be sentences.

Listen punk, you need your ass punted from totse not for rule-breaking, but simply for being a proven and constant idiot. Lets keep try to keep this clear here, and not try to muddy the facts.

-SpectraL is right... for once :D

-SpectraL is right... for once :DWhat the hell are you talking about? I'm always right. The price of extreme wisdom, I suppose. It really is a burden...

Man, shut the fuck up.

I agree with Methtroll. How the ephemeral "defacement" rule is abused by some mods is pretty disgusting.

I agree with Methtroll. How the ephemeral "defacement" rule is abused by some mods is pretty disgusting.

Fucking this.

It seems that ever since the invocation of the spam rule (as a way for mods to ban people who said something they didn't like but otherwise didn't break any rules) has been universally denounced and furthermore, triumphantly declared by the posters to be a steaming pile of shit (which is what it was), the administration now struggles to come up with yet another tool to ban/punish people who say things the administration find disagreeable but otherwise can't find any evidence of rule-breaking. What's more, this one's got an even longer ban period, which works out pretty fucking well for the administration, much to their relief.

Fucking pathetic.

Fucking this.

It seems that ever since the invocation of the spam rule (as a way for mods to ban people who said something they didn't like but otherwise didn't break any rules) has been universally denounced and furthermore, triumphantly declared by the posters to be a steaming pile of shit (which is what it was), the administration now struggles to come up with yet another tool to ban/punish people who say things the administration find disagreeable but otherwise can't find any evidence of rule-breaking. What's more, this one's got an even longer ban period, which works out pretty fucking well for the administration, much to their relief.

Fucking pathetic.



Well said WAN, very well said.

Thanks dudez0r. :)

I agree with Methtroll. How the ephemeral "defacement" rule is abused by some mods is pretty disgusting.


The funny thing is, that if so many didn't bitch about mods using the spam infraction, we'd still be able to use it for most of what we're now told to use the defacement one for. Much of what what people get defacement infractions for aren't worth a 30 day ban. Which is why when I use it I usually only give a week or less. But reg mods don't have that option.

The funny thing is, that if so many didn't bitch about mods using the spam infraction, we'd still be able to use it for most of what we're now told to use the defacement one for. Much of what what people get defacement infractions for aren't worth a 30 day ban. Which is why when I use it I usually only give a week or less. But reg mods don't have that option.

I am usually in support of reduced punishments, and I wholeheartedly agree that 30 days is too long for posting a couple (near identical) threads in a forum (which is one situation where the defacement infraction is used). I'd really like to see the "hack, attack, deface, destroy" infraction broken into two infractions: "hack, attack, destroy" and "deface", so that defacement might be worth significantly less than actually trying to hack into the site. After all, there's a huge inequity of scale in punishing someone the same for minor offenses as for major ones, especially when a more severe offense (SPAM, in either definition -- commercial advertising or posting substantially the same rant, advertisement or announcement in multiple forums) has a lesser punishment than the relatively minor one (defacement). But that's just my opinion of things. There are infractions that I think are more severe than they need to be, and others that I think are less severe than they should be. But that's neither here nor there; we have to work with what Jeff has given us.

I've been known to reduce punishments on behalf of other moderators if they ask me to do so. I don't know for sure, but I'd assume that Meta would also be willing to do that if he's asked by the issuing moderator.

^I think what really needs to be done is for there to be a proper, working definition of the word "deface" here, and how it relates to Totse.

^I think what really needs to be done is for there to be a proper, working definition of the word "deface" here, and how it relates to Totse.


The dictionary is always a good source.....

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deface

de·face (dĭ-fās')

To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.
To impair the usefulness, value, or influence of.
Obsolete To obliterate; destroy.

Now of course that is the DICTIONARY'S definition.......not the twisted/perveted interpretation that certain people around here use. Let's face it....to truly "deface" Totse, one would have to hack the place and change the layout or something severe. Perhaps replace "Read, Know, Do" with....."Yes, Acidmelt's Big Toe Still Hurts".

Yet you still have a handful of butthurt fools that will change the real meaning to whatever they see fit. Just like all the months/years they ERRONEOUSLY used the verbiage of "spam".

Notice how in the CONTEXT of the infraction system it is lumped right in with "hacking"? This is NOT supposed to be......"well gee I'm the moderator and you just upset me, I'm now going to turn your indiscretion of jaywalking into 1st degree murder".

Yeah yeah, we know......"we are the mods/admins and can do whatever we like. INCLUDING butchering and altering the very meaning of words". Doesn't it ever get old though? Having to TWIST the rules in your favor, just to save face?

Remember the great profound wisdom from this simple saying.....

"Most powerful is he who controls his own power."

****The above post was not directed towards the particular scenario of the Slave/Robinhoody spat, instead just a general commentary towards the feeble excuse of "defacement" that is not being used properly by several mods, and most importantly the REPEATED misuse by super-mods and admins.

^I think what really needs to be done is for there to be a proper, working definition of the word "deface" here, and how it relates to Totse.

Jeff very rarely defines what we're supposed to do because he wants the rules to have flexibility to adapt to unforeseen situations. However, a couple of things that are definitely defacement are:

- Posting a large number of threads (without purpose) in a forum is defacement (so basically the same thing as the spam infraction, but for just one forum and excluding advertisements).

- Page stretching posts are considered defacement.

Both of these are things that Jeff said were defacement. There are other things that can also be placed there, but it's really on a case-by-case basis.

And there are a few other things. But those two give some idea as to it -- they're probably the most common reasons for a defacement infraction. Defacement is an offense that is usually only done in one forum. It's really still ambiguous, and these two examples are only demonstrative. It's usually at the moderator's discretion as to which infraction to give and as far as what the infraction actually means. When it's reviewed, the supermod then interprets the infraction's meaning to see if the first-stage moderator made a reasonable decision with the information available, and decides whether to reverse and unban or not based on our own interpretations. If/When it's reviewed by the forum administrator, they do the same thing -- interpret the rule for themselves and compare our decisions with the ones they'd make in the same situation.

Both of these are things that Jeff said were defacement.

Pics or it just didn't happen. :) j/k

Can I ask a very serious, yet perhaps amazingly naive question on my part?

Instead of playing pattycake with semantics, verbiage, and discretionary interpretations.....why not just stop all the idiocy and say "thou shalt not cause grief to thy administrator"? Granted it may not sound so rosy and sugarcoated as does these other vague and confusing "rules" you people discuss.....but at the end of the day, at least it's honest. All the years you people wasted arguing what "spam" is, and now its the same merry-go-round with "defacement".

The point is...heavy handed nincompoops are still acting/being heavy handed nincompoops.....no matter how much you want dress it up as something nicer. "Fuck you, because we can!" should be your answer each and every time.....because all of these storeis, history rewrites, and language twisting is such a ridiculous endeavor.

Jeff very rarely defines what we're supposed to do because he wants the rules to have flexibility to adapt to unforeseen situations. However, a couple of things that are definitely defacement are:

I understand how Jeff Hunter didn't define certain things/words for us, however it doesn't mean that we can't go ahead and attempt to define these things, just for our own benefit, and/or the smooth running of the boards. After all, I am sure Jeff Hunter will not be against you guys (the administrators') attempt to define words, will he?


- Posting a large number of threads (without purpose) in a forum is defacement (so basically the same thing as the spam infraction, but for just one forum and excluding advertisements).

- Page stretching posts are considered defacement.

I am not going to comment on this section because what you just did was giving me examples what could possibly constitute defacement. That is not what I asked/what is needed. What I asked/is needed, is a DEFINITION of the word "defacement", from the mouths of the administrators, and how it relates to totse.


Both of these are things that Jeff said were defacement. There are other things that can also be placed there, but it's really on a case-by-case basis.

If Jeff Hunter said these were defacement then I have no choice but to agree. That being said, there still remains the urgent need of defining the word "defacement", and how it's supposed to apply to the boards.

Pics or it just didn't happen. :) j/k

Can I ask a very serious, yet perhaps amazingly naive question on my part?

Instead of playing pattycake with semantics, verbiage, and discretionary interpretations.....why not just stop all the idiocy and say "thou shalt not cause grief to thy administrator"? Granted it may not sound so rosy and sugarcoated as does these other vague and confusing "rules" you people discuss.....but at the end of the day, at least it's honest. All the years you people wasted arguing what "spam" is, and now its the same merry-go-round with "defacement".

The point is...heavy handed nincompoops are still acting/being heavy handed nincompoops.....no matter how much you want dress it up as something nicer. "Fuck you, because we can!" should be your answer each and every time.....because all of these storeis, history rewrites, and language twisting is such a ridiculous endeavor.

As far as that goes, if it were acidmelt or Zok who was doing a banning, they could unquestionably use the grief rule. Those of us below them may be able to, or may not -- I once asked about this and the answer was uncertain. I'm not going to take a chance when I don't know if I'm allowed to do something as drastic as banning someone, in particular. Jeff didn't give us a grief infraction, and I assume that he has a reason for that -- the fact that I can ban without issuing an infraction doesn't mean that I'm immune to the rules that other mods are supposed to follow.

As far as that goes, if it were acidmelt or Zok who was doing a banning, they could unquestionably use the grief rule. Those of us below them may be able to, or may not -- I once asked about this and the answer was uncertain. I'm not going to take a chance when I don't know if I'm allowed to do something as drastic as banning someone, in particular. Jeff didn't give us a grief infraction, and I assume that he has a reason for that -- the fact that I can ban without issuing an infraction doesn't mean that I'm immune to the rules that other mods are supposed to follow.

Heh, you actually took his rhetorical question seriously/literally.

I think he was saying that the mods/admins on totse seem to issue bans/infractions etc not on the objective, black-and-white basis of whether someone has broken any of the explicitly stated rules, but instead on personal likes/dislikes, or something that appears extremely close to them.

That being said, there still remains the urgent need of defining the word "defacement", and how it's supposed to apply to the boards.

Actually, DaGuru did a decent job of finding a plain English definition. I guess I'll repeat it:
- To mar or spoil the appearance or surface of; disfigure.
- To impair the usefulness, value, or influence of.

So anything that clutters up the forum unnecessarily (huge number of threads posted in a short time) falls under both of those definitions. Page stretching falls under both of them also (it makes it harder to navigate within a thread, and it makes the thread harder to use/less useful). That seems a reasonable pair of definitions. I omitted the third definition, partly because it's archaic English, and partly because destroying is also present in the infraction offenses and doesn't need repeated.

So, for our purposes (but unfortunately still a bit vague), it would be anything which makes threads or forums difficult to navigate or use. Too bad that the definition doesn't pin that down still, and I still see ways that it could be abused. But it does give someone grounds for an appeal of their infraction and ban -- they can argue that their post was neither interrupting the normal use of the forum, nor intentionally causing difficulty in navigating the forum or its threads.

Given the ambiguity of English, I doubt we could ever remove all room for abuse. This is probably as far as we could take it.

Oh, and I'm not an Administrator of any sort. The term used on other forums for the same position is Global Moderator, i.e., someone who is a moderator in all forums on the site. I'm really not in a position of authority over other mods.

As far as that goes, if it were acidmelt or Zok who was doing a banning, they could unquestionably use the grief rule. Those of us below them may be able to, or may not -- I once asked about this and the answer was uncertain. I'm not going to take a chance when I don't know if I'm allowed to do something as drastic as banning someone, in particular. Jeff didn't give us a grief infraction, and I assume that he has a reason for that -- the fact that I can ban without issuing an infraction doesn't mean that I'm immune to the rules that other mods are supposed to follow.

LOL!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/administrator


See this is what I find so funny. On a very literal sense, an "administrator" is someone who manages something....the very essence of what a moderator does. Granted they are only Moderators in the very perticular TOTSE definition...but they are still administrators nonetheless. Coupled with the fact it is a lower case "a" in the specific verbiage of the FAQ, indicates to me the intent was NOT meant to be the specific title of Administrator but anyone performing an administrative role for Totse. Meaning ALL the mods.

Ya see my point yet though? Instead of spending all of this time/text/effort in these arguments and flame fests while butchering definitions of words like "spam" and "deface".......rather than all of that why not go with the EXACT LITERAL DEFINITION of something else in the FAQ and just be done with it?

Kinda silly, ain't it?

Oh, and I'm not an administrator of any sort .

Yes, you are....please see above post.

Also note me fixing the "a" to a lower case, as you don't have the TITLE of an Administrator....but you are still an administrator of Totse.

Yes, you are....please see above post.

Also note me fixing the "a" to a lower case, as you don't have the TITLE of an Administrator....but you are still an administrator of Totse.If he really were a forum administrator, he would actually have the authority to make the decisions of a forum administrator, but unfortunately, we all saw this is something zok will not allow them to do. Oddballz194 tried to make an executive decision about who he would like to see mod NiMF, and he had very good and valid reason for requesting it, yet zok overruled him and pushed his valid explanation aside like it was shit. Zok is the actual forum administrator, and he wants everybody to know that the super-moderators won't be administrating much while he's around, and thus the reason why he overrules his super-moderators in public. Just one more indication of the current site administration's utter incompetency, pettiness, and self-serving attitudes in taking this place down one brick at a time.

See this is what I find so funny. On a very literal sense, an "administrator" is someone who manages something....the very essence of what a moderator does. Granted they are only Moderators in the very perticular TOTSE definition...but they are still administrators nonetheless. Coupled with the fact it is a lower case "a" in the specific verbiage of the FAQ, indicates to me the intent was NOT meant to be the specific title of Administrator but anyone performing an administrative role for Totse. Meaning ALL the mods.

This isn't far from what I was told might be the case, but I wasn't told it necessarily was the case. I doubt I'd ever make use of the grief rule anyway. I rarely use the remaining rules for infracting or banning people; I don't really need the additional ammo. (I do issue infractions and bans for violations of other rules if I see them, but I don't come across such violations often.)

This isn't far from what I was told might be the case, but I wasn't told it necessarily was the case.

You my friend need to be a politician some day.

Just look at that quote above......I'm fuckin speechless at this point. Seriously Oddballz, you need to put that on a T-shirt, or a tattoo, or write it in stone or something. Good stuff there.

But as Spectral so humbly brought us all crashing back to reality, I'm hopeful everything you've said above really IS Totse's definition of everything you just described. Because it would suck if you had to come back and say......"Well uh, Zok just pm'ed me with all of Acidmelt's whining and the way it really is, is ________ " <insert back-peddaling here after being undermined by the Duet of Dummies again.

You my friend need to be a politician some day.

Just look at that quote above......I'm fuckin speechless at this point. Seriously Oddballz, you need to put that on a T-shirt, or a tatoo, or write it in stone or something. Good stuff there.

But as Spectral so humbly brought us all crashing back to reality, I'm hopeful everything you've said above really IS Totse's definition of everything you just described. Because it would suck if you had to come back and say......"Well uh, Zok just pm'ed me with all of Acidmelt's whining and the way it really is, is ________ " <insert back-peddaling here after being undermined by the Duet of Dummies again.Surprisingly, zok used to be a great site administrator, until he started acting like a secretive little asshole, coming up with constant idiotic shit, like overruling Oddballz194, not even bothering to get Jeff to reinstate the legitimate mods, and deliberately withholding the actual authority Jeff rightly gave his super-moderators. He just doesn't give a fuck anymore about the place, but he doesn't want to give up the position either, due to if he retired, he'd be nothing but a common losing idiot without the title. Little does he know he's a proven moron with or without. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say. I'm so sick of this smug little asshole it isn't even funny. Afraid of his own fucking shadow, running around like a puppy-dog and groveling at acidmelt's feet, too spineless to move forward under his own supposed power... makes me sick really to see Totse under the control of such outright posers.

You my friend need to be a politician some day. .

Lol this.

Seriously, Oddz, either you are an admin, or you are not. In either case, out with it, then back it up with your reasoning. It's not hard, and certainly reflects a hell of a lot on you than that vague pile of uhm...you know what I mean.

Lol this.

Seriously, Oddz, either you are an admin, or you are not. In either case, out with it, then back it up with your reasoning. It's not hard, and certainly reflects a hell of a lot on you than that vague pile of uhm...you know what I mean.Jeff himself appointed the super-moderators, and he appointed them with power to make serious decisions on Totse, as long as there are good reasons for it. Zok has undermined Jeff, in "translating" what Jeff had already made entirely clear to all. The super-mods of Zok's creation are nothing even close to what Jeff intended for them. In Zok's translation, and in HIS kingdom, they'll be nothing more than glorified moderators who can mod several forums at once, hardly worth even taking into account when they come forward to exercise their powers in a proper way, and with a proper explanation. Jeff will never know either, and zok knows that. He will continue to undermine Jeff AND Jeff's super-moderators just because he can... and simply because he's a poor excuse for a site administrator, too full of himself to even notice how ridiculous his behavior really is.

Surprisingly, zok used to be a great site administrator, until he started acting like a secretive little asshole, coming up with constant idiotic shit, like overruling Oddballz194, not even bothering to get Jeff to reinstate the legitimate mods, and deliberately withholding the actual authority Jeff rightly gave his super-moderators. He just doesn't give a fuck anymore about the place, but he doesn't want to give up the position either, due to if he retired, he'd be nothing but a common losing idiot without the title. Little does he know he's a proven moron with or without. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say. I'm so sick of this smug little asshole it isn't even funny. Afraid of his own fucking shadow, running around like a puppy-dog and groveling at acidmelt's feet, too spineless to move forward under his own supposed power... makes me sick really to see Totse under the control of such outright posers.


And if anyone wants to dispute any of the above about Zok running around like a scared little runt, all we have to do is witness the Together We Serve forum.

Remember how for literally WEEKS there was a thread with Zok searching for ideas and opinions on creating TWS? There was a poll. There wasn't a poll. He created the poll.....er wait a sec, no it was someone else that made it. Ummmm, but the poll results didn't matter. Or wait, one week it DID matter, but then later it didn't.

On and on....all of the indecisive idiocy on Zok's part....all the controversy and chaos that took place because of Zok's scared adminning. And who finally made the forum? Acidmelt just comes staggering in during one of his 3 minute quarterly visits a year and makes it in whatever stupor of stupidity that he was in that day.

And meanwhile Zok doesn't post in any of the "social" forums for well over a year....scurrying around here and there like a busy little rat. Or does he?

Yeah, its a DAMN SHAME we don't have real Administrators that have the integrity, dedication and intellect that Oddballz does and could put forth if he had the job. Instead we are left with shadow crawling scaredy cats......


Here Zok, Zok, Zok. We don't bite.....promise!

Lol this.

Seriously, Oddz, either you are an admin, or you are not. In either case, out with it, then back it up with your reasoning. It's not hard, and certainly reflects a hell of a lot on you than that vague pile of uhm...you know what I mean.

If I go by the definition that DaGuru gave, then I would be considered a (low-ranking) administrator.

I've always considered administrators to be those users with sufficient power to make decisions on a global basis, so within that standard I am not an administrator. This is probably me being overly cautious, but I prefer the idea that the power to use the grief rule be restricted from myself and other mods.

Jeff will never know either, and zok knows that.

So Zok does all this deliberately because he knows he can get away with it?

Also, how come Jeff will never know? Doesn't he ever poke his head in one of the forums, just to see how things are?


He will continue to undermine Jeff AND Jeff's super-moderators just because he can... and simply because he's a poor excuse for a site administrator, too full of himself to even notice how ridiculous his behavior really is.

While I cannot vouch for what you said about him undermining Jeff and his mods, what I can say for sure that zok really, truly is an extremely poor admin. And I am not attacking him personally either (in fact, I can objectively say that he seems to be a nice person); I am focusing exclusively on what he does and says in relation to the forums and how he does/says them.

And if anyone wants to dispute any of the above about Zok running around like a scared little runt, all we have to do is witness the Together We Serve forum.

Remember how for literally WEEKS there was a thread with Zok searching for ideas and opinions on creating TWS? There was a poll. There wasn't a poll. He created the poll.....er wait a sec, no it was someone else that made it. Ummmm, but the poll results didn't matter. Or wait, one week it DID matter, but then later it didn't.

On and on....all of the indecisive idiocy on Zok's part....all the controversy and chaos that took place because of Zok's scared adminning. And who finally made the forum? Acidmelt just comes staggering in during one of his 3 minute quarterly visits a year and makes it in whatever stupor of stupidity that he was in that day.

And meanwhile Zok doesn't post in any of the "social" forums for well over a year....scurrying around here and there like a busy little rat. Or does he?

Yeah, its a DAMN SHAME we don't have real Administrators that have the integrity, dedication and intellect that Oddballz does and could put forth if he had the job. Instead we are left with shadow crawling scaredy cats......


Here Zok, Zok, Zok. We don't bite.....promise!What really gets me is how these proven morons have the guts to come on here and show their imbecilic faces, making out like everybody doesn't already know they're a fucking disgrace to the Temple. If I was as incompetant and despicable as they are, I wouldn't dare even set foot to post in any forum, much less flaunt my stupid ass all over IRC and wherever else they've shat on.

Just to back up my point, I sent zok a quick e-mail about a week and a half ago politely requesting I be provided the reason for this universal "-SpectraL Never To Be Modded Rule", and I pointed out in this email that I at least had the right, as a solid and regular user, to know why I had been suddenly excluded from all future consideration, and I pointed out that I had the support of several senior moderators , several regulars, and even a super-moderator. Do you think this spineless jackass even sent me a quick reply? Nope. He's just going to sit back like an idiot and let me consider something I have no way of finding out except from him. The whole way up to this point he was like, "Hey SpectraL! I'd recommend you myself!", and other piece of shit comments like, "I will keep you under serious consideration, and if the need does arise, you will be one of the first to be considered." Then, just a week or two later he's telling Oddballz194 how it's a known fact there's a rule in place - one that he's decided he's going along with, that says I'm fucked.

Had a lot of respect for the dood at one time, but now I can't help but observe that he's turned himself into just another common piece of shit while we weren't looking. Wanted to just turn this place off because of that and him, but then I thought, why let a proven piece of shit spoil my enjoyment of this place, so I decided to stay anyways. Now my only hope is that Jeff realizes how these two twits treat his board and his regulars, and cans their assholes up for them before I hear anymore garbage out of their stupid holes.

Remember how for literally WEEKS there was a thread with Zok searching for ideas and opinions on creating TWS? There was a poll. There wasn't a poll. He created the poll.....er wait a sec, no it was someone else that made it. Ummmm, but the poll results didn't matter. Or wait, one week it DID matter, but then later it didn't.

LAWL LAWL LAWL!

Also, this reminds me of another incident of Zok's sublime idiocy. I remember that this one time he edited one of your posts, and when Spectral rightfully pointed out how a post shouldn't be modified for whatever reason, however especially not for its content, you know what this idiot said? He said, "I am just adding information and who doesn't like information?" OH! MY! FUCK! ING! GOD! Can anybody actually read this and still have their heads intact, unlike mine, which just exploded? Seriously, how does wanting to add information justify his editing of a post, just is basically just another form of censorship, which is everything Totse is NOT? And this is coming from an ADMIN? WHAT THE FUCKITY FUCK?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?

Seriously, how anyone can still cling to the delusion that zok is a competent admin after this post of mine is totally beyond me.


Here Zok, Zok, Zok. We don't bite.....promise!

Don't you mean "Zokky, Zokky, Zokky"?

So Zok does all this deliberately because he knows he can get away with it?

Also, how come Jeff will never know? Doesn't he ever poke his head in one of the forums, just to see how things are?



While I cannot vouch for what you said about him undermining Jeff and his mods, what I can say for sure that zok really, truly is an extremely poor admin. And I am not attacking him personally either (in fact, I can objectively say that he seems to be a nice person); I am focusing exclusively on what he does and says in relation to the forums and how he does/says them.

Jeff doesn't know fuck-all about this place. He doesn't read the threads, neither does he bother checking ANY of the goings-on on his site. If he did know, he'd be firing these idiots' assholes over the nearest fence.. friend or no friend. But since Jeff IS so ignorant of his site, these clowns will take full advantage of it to soak up some more ego for their unimportant lives, and shit on Jeff's regulars for no reason at all than just to be utter assholes, and just to deprive Jeff's super-moderators of their intended powers, and just to act belligerently in his name, and just to neglect their responsibilities in addressing issues properly and expediently on Jeff's site. Hopefully, one day Jeff WILL wander into more than one of these threads to see for himself what kind of complete bozos he has "taking care" of his assets.

What really gets me is how these proven morons have the guts to come on here and show their imbecilic faces, making out like everybody doesn't already know they're a fucking disgrace to the Temple. If I was as incompetant and despicable as they are, I wouldn't dare even set foot to post in any forum, much less flaunt my stupid ass all over IRC and wherever else they've shat on.

Just to back up my point, I sent zok a quick e-mail about a week and a half ago politely requesting I be provided the reason for this universal "-SpectraL Never To Be Modded Rule", and I pointed out in this email that I at least had the right, as a solid and regular user, to know why I had been suddenly excluded from all future consideration, and I pointed out that I had the support of several senior moderators , several regulars, and even a super-moderator. Do you think this spineless jackass even sent me a quick reply? Nope. He's just going to sit back like an idiot and let me consider something I have no way of finding out except from him. The whole way up to this point he was like, "Hey SpectraL! I'd recommend you myself!", and other piece of shit comments like, "I will keep you under serious consideration, and if the need does arise, you will be one of the first to be considered." Then, just a week or two later he's telling Oddballz194 how it's a known fact there's a rule in place - one that he's decided he's going along with, that says I'm fucked.

Had a lot of respect for the dood at one time, but now I can't help but observe that he's turned himself into just another common piece of shit while we weren't looking. Wanted to just turn this place off because of that and him, but then I thought, why let a proven piece of shit spoil my enjoyment of this place, so I decided to stay anyways. Now my only hope is that Jeff realizes how these two twits treat his board and his regulars, and cans their assholes up for them before I hear anymore garbage out of their stupid holes.

First of all, since when did you get so good at flaming?

Secondly, I just want to add to the part where you sent him an email and he took (or is still taking?) a long ass time to respond. Do you know what he's going to say? He will say "ZOMG I have school and other things to attend to, I can't spend all my time and energy on answering your emails WAH WAH WAH", which is what he said in regards to my emailing him and as an excuse for why he stopped corresponding with me.

Guess what, zok, as an admin, it is your duty to communicate with the posters, regarding matters concerning the boards. And if they should continue emailing you, it's because the issue at hand is clearly not resolved yet, despite what you might unilaterally think. Furthermore, just because you have limited time to devote to totse is no reason to neglect your adminning duties. This is not to say that your concern is invalid--you are correct in that you do have life outside of totse. HOWEVER, if these activities ever get to the point where you don't have enough time to answer all emails to you, then maybe it's time that you step down from the admin position, and have someone else who has more time to devote to Totse than you take your place, or failing that, get Jeff Hunter to appoint another admin to help take on some of your duties, because obviously you aren't handling them fast enough.

These two twits were so incompetent that, even KNOWING Jeff would not be back for maybe months, and even WITH me making several public posts to alert them that Jeff was working on the site over a period of a full three days, and knowing there was legitimate moderators waiting to get their well-deserved titles restored, these fuck-twits actually just sat back with their stupid little shit-eating grins... and said NOTHING to Jeff about it. Now that Jeff is gone, they are making themselves VERY scarce, not posting since the 3rd of December, so they can avoid the obvious questions that these hopefuls have been waiting for all along.

Jeff himself even posted that he put the restoration in the hands of the site administrators, meaning they needed to get to work and give him a solid list of the users to be promoted - but they never even bothered, so Jeff just left it at that until next time. Jeff has always made it very clear he wants this site to be self-reliant - only needing absolute minimal external input from himself, and he expected his site administrators to make that wish a reality, by providing him the proper information when he is going to supply that minimal external input. Yet again, they missed the train, and they do it deliberately too every time.

It doesn't bother these flat-footed fucks at all that here are honest contributors waiting for what they have earned to come to them. These fucks are quite happy to sit there with Administrator under their nicks, keeping everybody they can down as long as they can, knowing Jeff really wants minimal external input from himself. They're takers... plain and simple. They're going to capitalize on the fact that Jeff DOESN'T WANT to involve himself overly much in this place, and they know he wants it to be an entity onto itself.

This place WAS an Engine of Free Speech (believe me.. I was there... not your weak little kids like zok and acidmelt), and a place you could come to earn your ranking, and be rewarded for your well-worked contribution, UNTIL these freaks like zok and acidmelt got in, decided to take advantage of Jeff's expressed wish of limited involvement, and here we are today - stuck under the rule of two pieces of shit administrators who are simply out for prestige and ego-stroking, and who could really care less about this place and what it has always stood for. Makes ya sick just to think about it.

These two twits were so incompetent that, even KNOWING Jeff would not be back for maybe months, and even WITH me making several public posts to alert them that Jeff was working on the site over a period of a full three days, and knowing there was legitimate moderators waiting to get their well-deserved titles restored, these fuck-twits actually just sat back with their stupid little shit-eating grins... and said NOTHING to Jeff about it. Now that Jeff is gone, they are making themselves VERY scarce, not posting since the 3rd of December, so they can avoid the obvious questions that these hopefuls have been waiting for all along.

Jeff himself even posted that he put the restoration in the hands of the site administrators, meaning they needed to get to work and give him a solid list of the users to be promoted - but they never even bothered, so Jeff just left it at that until next time. Jeff has always made it very clear he wants this site to be self-reliant - only needing absolute minimal external input from himself, and he expected his site administrators to make that wish a reality, by providing him the proper information when he is going to supply that minimal external input. Yet again, they missed the train, and they do it deliberately too every time.

It doesn't bother these flat-footed fucks at all that here are honest contributors waiting for what they have earned to come to them. These fucks are quite happy to sit there with Administrator under their nicks, keeping everybody they can down as long as they can, knowing Jeff really wants minimal external input from himself. They're takers... plain and simple. They're going to capitalize on the fact that Jeff DOESN'T WANT to involve himself overly much in this place, and they know he wants it to be an entity onto itself.

This place WAS an Engine of Free Speech (believe me.. I was there... not your weak little kids like zok and acidmelt), and a place you could come to earn your ranking, and be rewarded for your well-worked contribution, UNTIL these freaks like zok and acidmelt got in, decided to take advantage of Jeff's expressed wish of limited involvement, and here we are today - stuck under the rule of two pieces of shit administrators who are simply out for prestige and ego-stroking, and who could really care less about this place and what it has always stood for. Makes ya sick just to think about it.

Actually, is there actually a rule that states you are never to become a mod? Because if there is I think you have a legitimate case of grievance. This is pure discrimination.

Actually, is there actually a rule that states you are never to become a mod? Because if there is I think you have a legitimate case of grievance. This is pure discrimination.Yes, it's true. This twit, zok, has advised Oddballz194 that he's decided there will be a rule that I'm never to be modded, even IF his super-moderators say different, EVEN IF I am asked for by current forum moderators, EVEN IF a forum moderator is actually required and I am invited in by that forum's current moderator(s). He refuses to provide any reason for it, simply because there IS no reason for it, other than his own insecurities and failed notoriety. He's decided to pull yet more shit out of his stupid asshole, and just call it Top Secret Information, effectively clearing himself of any incompetence in the matter. Keep in mind he'd been singing an entirely different song right up until the point he needed to undermine his super-moderator just to protect his fragile ego.

But this thread is more about the blatant corruption of Totse at the moderator level than it is about the administrative level, and for that also there is a very good case. There are complete idiots running around banning users for things which simply required a clever/funny/sportsman-like warning to correct, deleting valid content that doesn't sit on their pallets all that well, closing threads that generate valid discussion just to wave their cocks in people's faces, what with their attention deficit issues and delusions of grandeur. Totse has many serious problems, and extremely poor moderation is definitely high up on the list.

I really don't think zok, or anybody in any sort of position of power for that matter, can simply decree that someone is not to be modded, without giving any explanation or some sort of rationale for his decision.

I am honestly astounded by this discovery.

I really don't think zok, or anybody in any sort of position of power for that matter, can simply decree that someone is not to be modded, without giving any explanation or some sort of rationale for his decision.

I am honestly astounded by this discovery.Don't be astounded. These little pieces of shit have been tearing Totse apart for years behind the scenes, and you're only seeing the tip of the iceburg on this. I've actually been e-mailed directly by certain management on behalf of the administrators, requesting I not supply accounts to users who they perma-banned simply for speaking their minds. Of course, I would never offer or give an account to a banned user... perish the thought... but just the fact that these utter dolts shut some very popular posters down forever just for posting some text they didn't like, then had the gall to send e-mail out requesting they never get another account again, shows how shallow and self-centered they really are. The public hardly sees any of the idiocy these clowns are constantly up to behind the scenes.

Notice how the name of Zok just gets mentioned, and Oddballz hightailed it out of here quicker than lightning?

Ya know, all this talk about Zok is making me feel all philosophical. That old question......if a tree falls in the woods and nothing is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? My inquiry is......if Zok just happens to be walking along and sits against that tree to rest during his journey, does it still mean that he is running and hiding from the world? Or is it merely redundant to say so?

My inquiry is......if Zok just happens to be walking along and sits against that tree to rest during his journey, does it still mean that he is running and hiding from the world? Or is it merely redundant to say so?The former but never the latter. Pray we never forgive and forget, lest we lay our wretched condition in the path of the most resistance, bowled over and trodden, like some deer-in-the-headlights K-Mart shopper, trampled, as he stood between an electronics sale and the parking lot entrance door.

Notice how the name of Zok just gets mentioned, and Oddballz hightailed it out of here quicker than lightning?

Ya know, all this talk about Zok is making me feel all philosophical. That old question......if a tree falls in the woods and nothing is there to hear it, does it still make a sound? My inquiry is......if Zok just happens to be walking along and sits against that tree to rest during his journey, does it still mean that he is running and hiding from the world? Or is it merely redundant to say so?

Don't be so flattered. I had to go pick my mother up from work.

I don't think Zok is the problem you think he is. He has to work with limited privileges (as given by Jeff, he's got some restrictions on what he can do) and try to keep the site going day-to-day. He has to supervise the mods and supermods, deal with ban-related issues as they pop up and also deal with site errors and malfunctions, with less-than-full administrative capabilities. He also has a life outside Totse, as do the mods.

Besides, without knowing what the situation is about, you're jumping to conclusions on a situation that is outside our control anyway. I don't see what good it does to rehash the same tired argument, on your side or mine. Perhaps a new debate strategy is in order?

Perhaps a new debate strategy is in order?There's nothing to debate. Everything has already been made painfully clear already.

You people don't think there are MANY moderators now on totse who will ban just for the sheer kicks on it? Just to wave their e-cock in someone's face and get high off it? Well think again. If anyone was to take even a moment to check the infraction-sheet link Jeff made available as a public resource to every user here (https://www.totse.com/community/infraction_list.html), you would see what I mean.

Examples:

dues-redux:
1/ Not delivering/Probably has 2x accts.

Wtf is this shit? Not delivering? An open admission of absolutely no proof of multiple accounts? Get rid of this obviously incompetent mod. Period.

vilbe:
2/ blatantly asking for sources

Last time I checked, this wasn't fucking Nazi Germany in the mid-forties. Get rid of this fucking clown once and for all.

stupid noob:
3/ no sources

Wtf? We need to post sources now for everything we fucking want to post for others to read? Who the fuck made this fucking chimp God while we weren't looking? Get rid of this misguided little poser already.

TheAtomizer:
4/ Posted Referral link

So now, if you post a link on Totse, you will be infracted right off the bat, without even a warning, depending what mood the given asshole with the ban button is in at the moment. Fuck the roolz... let's just do whatever the fuck we want and ban people for posting links we don't like. Get rid of this fucking ingrate as well.

ThetaReactor:
5/ Spam. Italian spam. La spama?

Yup. This stupid little cunt went so far as to infract an Italian-speaking poster from making a post. Now, granted, this is NOT an Italian language based site, but it would have been neighborly to at least let the dude give one post in his own language before canning his ass. Not like Italian text is going to spring up and destroy Totse and so needs to be dealt with right away by the infraction system.

I could go on all day, but what would be the point? Everything is painfully clear right in this single sheet of facts. The only real problem we have here is the pieces of shit takers that bury their stupid little heads in the sand and say there is no actual problem. We got a problem all right, and it ain't the messengers like DaGuru and I. Truth hurts, assholes, but you'll suck it up just the same.

I don't think Zok is the problem you think he is. He has to work with limited privileges (as given by Jeff, he's got some restrictions on what he can do) and try to keep the site going day-to-day. He has to supervise the mods and supermods, deal with ban-related issues as they pop up and also deal with site errors and malfunctions, with less-than-full administrative capabilities. He also has a life outside Totse, as do the mods.


Blah, blah, blah.....thanks for reminding us all what duties these "poor poor" admins have. That still doesn't explain or exonerate the litany of inept and cowardly decisions he has made. If it is "too much" for him...get the fuck out of the kitchen. But hiding amongst all the pots and pans under a counter ain't helping anyone....not himself, not his underlings, and especially not the website.



Besides, without knowing what the situation is about, you're jumping to conclusions on a situation that is outside our control anyway. I don't see what good it does to rehash the same tired argument, on your side or mine. Perhaps a new debate strategy is in order?

Huh? WTF are you talking about? What conclusion am I (we if you include Spectral and WAN in the last several responses on this thread) "jumping to"? Tell us Oddballz, what super secret mystery was there behind Zok's INdecision in creating TWS? His flip-flopping on Spectral's modship? How about him twiddling his dick during MY perma-ban doing absolutely nothing....because after all...."I can't go against Acidmelt, despite even if all of the other facts say otherwise"?

And BTW Oddballz....this isn't "rehashing" anything. We are just merely discussing still UNRESOLVED issues that they haven't fixed or explained. Trust me, do you really think I'd rather be on the admins asses every single day rather than posting normally about other things? I didn't start out in any of this saying....."gee, I know...I'll fuck with Zok and Acidmelt for the next 10 months just because I got nothing better to do". Nope, instead it has been that long that my situation has STILL been unresolved.

I ain't "rehashing" shit........just still crowing on about stuff that never went away, no matter how hard they've tried to sweep in under the rug. Sorry boys, but the lump is just gonna keep getting bigger, and Bigger, and BIGGER......

Don't be astounded. These little pieces of shit have been tearing Totse apart for years behind the scenes, and you're only seeing the tip of the iceburg on this. I've actually been e-mailed directly by certain management on behalf of the administrators, requesting I not supply accounts to users who they perma-banned simply for speaking their minds. Of course, I would never offer or give an account to a banned user... perish the thought... but just the fact that these utter dolts shut some very popular posters down forever just for posting some text they didn't like, then had the gall to send e-mail out requesting they never get another account again, shows how shallow and self-centered they really are. The public hardly sees any of the idiocy these clowns are constantly up to behind the scenes.

OMFG! This is absolutely DISGUSTING!!!

Hey spectral do you ever use MSN? If yes, can I have addy please?

OMFG! This is absolutely DISGUSTING!!!

Hey spectral do you ever use MSN? If yes, can I have addy please?hardrockdrums@hotmail.com

Yes, I too find it disgusting. To perma-ban someone just because you don't like what they have to say is one thing, but going out of your way to make sure they stay shut up is just the height of small-mindedness.

hardrockdrums@hotmail.com

Yes, I too find it disgusting. To perma-ban someone just because you don't like what they have to say is one thing, but going out of your way to make sure they stay shut up is just the height of small-mindedness.

You know what, I have a feeling that in order for these cowards to go out of their way to ensure those posters are shut up forever, they (referring to the posters) must have said something that was really spot on.

You people don't think there are MANY moderators now on totse who will ban just for the sheer kicks on it? Just to wave their e-cock in someone's face and get high off it? Well think again. If anyone was to take even a moment to check the infraction-sheet link Jeff made available as a public resource to every user here (https://www.totse.com/community/infraction_list.html), you would see what I mean.

Examples:

dues-redux:
1/ Not delivering/Probably has 2x accts.

Wtf is this shit? Not delivering? An open admission of absolutely no proof of multiple accounts? Get rid of this obviously incompetent mod. Period.


I can't comment on this one, as I don't know the situation (and I haven't reviewed the thread).


vilbe:
2/ blatantly asking for sources

Last time I checked, this wasn't fucking Nazi Germany in the mid-forties. Get rid of this fucking clown once and for all.

stupid noob:
3/ no sources

Wtf? We need to post sources now for everything we fucking want to post for others to read? Who the fuck made this fucking chimp God while we weren't looking? Get rid of this misguided little poser already.


The sources they're talking about are sources for illegal goods -- like online pharmacies and vendors of drugs that are illegal for humans but not illegal or of questionable legality for animal testing. These links have been prohibited on Totse under the rule against organizing criminal activity on the boards.


TheAtomizer:
4/ Posted Referral link

So now, if you post a link on Totse, you will be infracted right off the bat, without even a warning, depending what mood the given asshole with the ban button is in at the moment. Fuck the roolz... let's just do whatever the fuck we want and ban people for posting links we don't like. Get rid of this fucking ingrate as well.


More accurately, referral links are commercial links, and considered SPAM for that reason. They're not permitted anywhere on Totse as far as I am aware.


ThetaReactor:
5/ Spam. Italian spam. La spama?

Yup. This stupid little cunt went so far as to infract an Italian-speaking poster from making a post. Now, granted, this is NOT an Italian language based site, but it would have been neighborly to at least let the dude give one post in his own language before canning his ass. Not like Italian text is going to spring up and destroy Totse and so needs to be dealt with right away by the infraction system.

Another one I've not reviewed, so I won't comment.


I could go on all day, but what would be the point? Everything is painfully clear right in this single sheet of facts. The only real problem we have here is the pieces of shit takers that bury their stupid little heads in the sand and say there is no actual problem. We got a problem all right, and it ain't the messengers like DaGuru and I. Truth hurts, assholes, but you'll suck it up just the same.

What is clear is you didn't check out the posts that were referred to with regard to the two posts relating to posting sources, or if the posts were deleted, that you didn't bother to ask anyone what those posts were or why the infractions were issued. I can assume without loss of generality that you didn't check out the other posts/threads either, since it's probably true.

Huh? WTF are you talking about? What conclusion am I (we if you include Spectral and WAN in the last several responses on this thread) "jumping to"? Tell us Oddballz, what super secret mystery was there behind Zok's INdecision in creating TWS? His flip-flopping on Spectral's modship? How about him twiddling his dick during MY perma-ban doing absolutely nothing....because after all...."I can't go against Acidmelt, despite even if all of the other facts say otherwise"?

You keep assuming that Zok didn't have a reason for his decisions. I highly doubt he changed his mind at the drop of the proverbial hat. The fact that I'm not permitted to know his reasons doesn't mean they don't exist, nor does it mean that they are invalid.

It also doesn't mean that Jeff would disagree if he knew Zok's reasoning. More often than not, Jeff sides with his administrators when any kind of dispute is raised.


And BTW Oddballz....this isn't "rehashing" anything. We are just merely discussing still UNRESOLVED issues that they haven't fixed or explained. Trust me, do you really think I'd rather be on the admins asses every single day rather than posting normally about other things? I didn't start out in any of this saying....."gee, I know...I'll fuck with Zok and Acidmelt for the next 10 months just because I got nothing better to do". Nope, instead it has been that long that my situation has STILL been unresolved.


rehash: 1. to present or use over, with no or few changes


You've rehashed your arguments re: SpectraL, your permaban and pretty much all the rest of this thread except the parts about infractions and particularly the defacement infraction. The definition is simply to use repeatedly, which is precisely what you've done. No, I'm not going to avoid using a dictionary if you're going to use one in discussion with me.


I ain't "rehashing" shit........just still crowing on about stuff that never went away, no matter how hard they've tried to sweep in under the rug. Sorry boys, but the lump is just gonna keep getting bigger, and Bigger, and BIGGER......

So you admit you're presenting the same information, statements and arguments that you presented before. That's rehashing.

The only reasonable answer to any of this is for Oddballz to slap a 30 day defacement on both Spectral and myself.....since our hardhitting questions and razor accurate takes are derailing things so badly the guest of honor himself hasn't even responded yet.

And for Slave to be speechless about anything must be a testament to the utter havoc we have created.......... so go ahead Oddballz do your duty and remove the horrific scoundrels that are causing such vandalism.

I can't comment on this one, as I don't know the situation (and I haven't reviewed the thread).

Another one I've not reviewed, so I won't comment.


It's fine that you don't comment, however I believe that as a SUPER-mod, you are obligated to look into the wrongdoings (whether real or not) of the moderators, now that they have been brought to your attention.

You've rehashed your arguments re: SpectraL, your permaban and pretty much all the rest of this thread except the parts about infractions and particularly the defacement infraction. The definition is simply to use repeatedly, which is precisely what you've done. No, I'm not going to avoid using a dictionary if you're going to use one in discussion with me.

So you admit you're presenting the same information, statements and arguments that you presented before. That's rehashing.

woah woah woah woah

Are you trying to (wrongfully!) accuse Daguru of "defacing" totse, just so that you could ban him/shut him up?

Also, I just want to say that if that Daguru should appear to be "presenting the same info/statements/arguments..etc, it's only because nobody from the administration has ever addressed his grievance/resolved the issues with him.

woah woah woah woah

Are you trying to (wrongfully!) accuse Daguru of "defacing" totse, just so that you could ban him/shut him up?

Also, I just want to say that if that Daguru should appear to be "presenting the same info/statements/arguments..etc, it's only because nobody from the administration has ever addressed his grievance/resolved the issues with him.

Truth be told WAN, I like Oddballz so much......I'd take 30 days from him if for no other reason to help him get a little push here. Be the corpse while he "earns his bones" so to speak. After him being undermined like he was in the NiMF forum, he should have Karma nudge him up a few more spots back up the ladder.

If I started talking about Zok's failing nigger for a daddy since he sired such a weak black man.....would that be wandering into the "defacement" zone? Cmon Oddballz, I know it bothered you the first time....is this "spam"?

woah woah woah woah

Are you trying to (wrongfully!) accuse Daguru of "defacing" totse, just so that you could ban him/shut him up?

Also, I just want to say that if that Daguru should appear to be "presenting the same info/statements/arguments..etc, it's only because nobody from the administration has ever addressed his grievance/resolved the issues with him.

I'm not trying to ban him. I'd just like to see some different arguments for a change, rather than going in circles all the time. There are some things he raises with me which I simply am not in a position to answer, and some which I've answered but not to his liking so I get asked again later. It's not an infraction offense, in my opinion.

It's fine that you don't comment, however I believe that as a SUPER-mod, you are obligated to look into the wrongdoings (whether real or not) of the moderators, now that they have been brought to your attention.

Normally, I don't have an obligation to look into something unless the affected user asks me to. However, in this case I am attempting to do so for the examples presented, since I'm curious as to the results of checking it.

The infraction from ThetaReactor was legitimate. It's real SPAM -- he was advertising an Italian-language site for buying replica Rolex watches. I would certainly not undo that ban. (He put it in an unrelated thread, which is why the thread title is "legal highs".)

As for the one by deus-redux, I'll have to email him to get some additional information. I'll comment further when I've received a response.

Ok, Oddballz194. Whatever you say man. You and I both know every single one of those ban are perfectly legit, and there will be a complete and valid explanation for every single one of those threads and posts that were deleted off the system before they could be properly inspected by upper-management. By the way, whatever happened to the warning protocol, anywho? User makes a single bad post and it's a ban now? You see how little sense you are making on this, don't you? I know you are trying to do what's best for Totse.

Ok, Oddballz194. Whatever you say man. You and I both know every single one of those ban are perfectly legit, and there will be a complete and valid explanation for every single one of those threads and posts that were deleted off the system before they could be properly inspected by upper-management. By the way, whatever happened to the warning protocol, anywho? User makes a single bad post and it's a ban now? You see how little sense you are making on this, don't you? I know you are trying to do what's best for Totse.

I don't know about one infraction as of yet, actually. I need deus to get back to me before I can decide on it.

The others were posts I inspected personally. The offenses are as I said they were. None of those posts you cited were removed from the system; I can still see them. Only one has been edited, to remove a source of restricted chemicals (in this case, it's actually precursors for meth production, from what I can tell -- it's still something that can get us in trouble).

Only Meta, myself, acidmelt, Zok and Jeff can remove posts completely. Normal mods can't. As a result, if you had selected a post that Meta deleted, I might not be able to find it; but if it was, let's say, wires, I'd be able to see it without difficulty.

As for warning protocol, that applies more for things like defacement than for outright SPAM (in the advertising sense -- the multiple-post in multiple forums is more similar to the defacement offense). Multiple accounts is also valid without a warning. It also doesn't apply to organizing criminal activity on the boards, since that can get the whole site in hot water.

In short, the warnings should be given if 1) an infraction can result in a ban, and 2) if the warning's ignored, it won't create an immediate need to act, and 3) the situation doesn't involve alternate accounts (because they make it harder to contain).

These are the infractions:

Posted unsolicited phone numbers or other personal info
Posted a link to a harmful script (password stealer, system crasher, other assorted nasties) that was not identified as a harmful script
Threatened someone with physical harm
Privacy violation: Posted another user's real name or personal info or picture
Using the message boards to organize criminal activity
Multiple accounts
Posted message with credit card or calling card numbers
Posted scam / attempting to rip-off members
Posted spam or other advertisements. We hate SPAM
Posting passwords to private computer systems
Attempt to hack, destroy, deface, or otherwise damage totse.com


For these, I would (probably) issue warnings for 1, 2, 4, and 11 in the defacement sense.
Maybe also 10, under some circumstances -- but I'd have to judge that on a case-by-case basis. For the rest, I don't really think a warning is necessary -- they should be obviously prohibited. I mean, if a mod wishes to issue a warning, that's fine, but those are mostly things that could get the site in legal trouble.

Of course, Meta might disagree with me on some of those -- and he's allowed to. I don't think the warning protocol has ever been written down, TBH. It's just been implicit.

Truth be told, I'd probably decide when to and not to warn a user before going ahead with the infraction on a case-by-case basis, too. It's something that I'd probably treat more instinctively than rationally, based on how likely it is that a user knows the rules and broke them anyway.

Actually, DaGuru did a decent job of finding a plain English definition. I guess I'll repeat it:


- To impair the usefulness, value, or influence of.



I disagree with your judgment-d here....cos the term "usefulness", "value" and/or it's "influence" is all subjective and can be twisted into anything and everything a corrupt mod wants to....

Example : --DaGuru is a mod...

He made a thread and go on and on saying how totse is on the decline simply cos "ALEXA" said so.....

So, if I posted a link to a page explaining how ALEXA actually works, that is without USERS DOWNLOADING ALEXA TOOLBAR AND HAVE THAT TOOLBAR INSTALLED ON THEIR BROWSERS, ANY *CLICKS* TO TOTSE.COM WON'T BE REGISTERED IN ALEXA'S DATABASE....

So,...in a sense, I have rendered DaGuru's thread useless, valueless,....and had somewhat diminished it's meaning...cos simply what he claimed isn't true at all and almost baseless....

Hence; according to the term you'd specified above,....DaGuru had every just cause to ban me ... see ???

In the end,....totse.com would just be like some racist* forums that required users to be approved by the moderation team before they're displayed on the forum itself......

I disagree with your judgment-d here....cos the term "usefulness", "value" and/or it's "influence" is all subjective and can be twisted into anything and everything a corrupt mod wants to....

Example : --DaGuru is a mod...

He made a thread and go on and on saying how totse is on the decline simply cos "ALEXA" said so.....

So, if I posted a link to a page explaining how ALEXA actually works, that is without USERS DOWNLOADING ALEXA TOOLBAR AND HAVE THAT TOOLBAR INSTALLED ON THEIR BROWSERS, ANY *CLICKS* TO TOTSE.COM WON'T BE REGISTERED IN ALEXA'S DATABASE....

So,...in a sense, I have rendered DaGuru's thread useless, valueless,....and had somewhat diminished it's meaning...cos simply what he claimed isn't true at all and almost baseless....

Hence; according to the term you'd specified above,....DaGuru had every just cause to ban me ... see ???

In the end,....totse.com would just be like some racist* forums that required users to be approved by the moderation team before they're displayed on the forum itself......

Unfortunately, that IS the simplest definition of which I am aware. Would you prefer the definition of "defacement is what I say it is"? Because unless you propose a definition (which would need to be consistent with a plain English meaning if we're to expect anyone to be able to know why it was chosen), we have to use what we have.

Yes, some mods might twist the definition -- I said in my post that I saw ways to abuse it, but I don't know of any way to write a set of rules that can't be abused, especially if you want to maintain flexibility to handle unanticipated situations. English is itself so ambiguous that any definition you can come up with can be twisted to the same ends.

Unfortunately, that IS the simplest definition of which I am aware. Would you prefer the definition of "defacement is what I say it is"? Because unless you propose a definition (which would need to be consistent with a plain English meaning if we're to expect anyone to be able to know why it was chosen), we have to use what we have.

Well,...like I said : take it in it's original CONTEXT....

When bunched together with "hax, destroy deface..."

the term deface is rightfully tie to the kind of webpage defacement ie; changine totse.com's front page to something else.....goatse maybe ???

This is because totse was setuped in the 90s, and in the 90s, webpage defacement was pretty popular among teenage kids, especially after someone hacked and defaced pentagon of FBI or something like that ... I can't remember.....

Yes, some mods might twist the definition -- I said in my post that I saw ways to abuse it, but I don't know of any way to write a set of rules that can't be abused, especially if you want to maintain flexibility to handle unanticipated situations. English is itself so ambiguous that any definition you can come up with can be twisted to the same ends.

Yes....vague rules and ambiguous FAQs are often open to subjective interpretation and abuse,...which is why I think it's the responsibility of super-mods and admins to come up with a solid black&white rules and guidelines as to what is and what is not allowed on totse,....

And maybe a customized rules in each and every subsection as to what is allowed and what's not.....cos what are allowed in one section aren't allowed in other section....

Example :

Recently I have a number of posts and threads removed from CL by BSK. My thread asking about "what christians think about being multi-linguist" since it was mentioned that God (chirstian GOD) made man to speak different language so they can't unite together after they they erected the Towel of Babel....buy it was moved to NINF....

Then, some of my posts were taken out and be made into a single thread in NINF because.......and according to BSK's own words...

"I was *SPAMING* racist remarks and/or racial slurs when I addressed someone as an "UNDERMAN" ......in ONE of my post....

Like...since when is expressing my opinion ONCE is spaming racist remarks ??? And since when it's not allowed in CL ???

English is itself so ambiguous that any definition you can come up with can be twisted to the same ends.That's really who you should be now, regardless of what these morons tell you, and that's the guy to come down hard on moderators who twist the rules to suit their personal preferences, who would rather kill this place than use common sense to preserve the spirit of these forums. Zok and acidmelt's job isn't to monitor and discipline moderators for bad judgment and outright abuse of power, it is yours and Meta's, and yours and Meta's alone. When you got promoted, zok got pushed up, and he has absolutely no business whatsoever interfering and sticking his nose in the super-moderators duties which were issued to you by Jeff himself, undermining your earned and authorized authority, and deliberately second guessing your reasoned decisions. Zok is such a sad sack of shit now that he thinks he's gonna grab his promotion and keep his old job too, greedy little idiot that he is. How do you think zok or acidmelt would have felt if Jeff appointed them to their positions, but then went and interfered in their duties without even a thought about it? You can bet they'd scream blue murder, but they're only too happy to stick their noses in the business of the users who just took their place. Makes me sick to see these clowns keep getting away with their complete shit.

Well,...like I said : take it in it's original CONTEXT....

When bunched together with "hax, destroy deface..."

the term deface is rightfully tie to the kind of webpage defacement ie; changine totse.com's front page to something else.....goatse maybe ???

This is because totse was setuped in the 90s, and in the 90s, webpage defacement was pretty popular among teenage kids, especially after someone hacked and defaced pentagon of FBI or something like that ... I can't remember.....

Well, we're not supposed to take it in that context. We've been explicitly told that certain things are defacement that don't fit into your neat package. Besides that, vandalizing a thread IS vandalizing a web page -- they're rendered as pages, or do you see a bunch of SQL query result lines on your screen?


Yes....vague rules and ambiguous FAQs are often open to subjective interpretation and abuse,...which is why I think it's the responsibility of super-mods and admins to come up with a solid black&white rules and guidelines as to what is and what is not allowed on totse,....


What you're asking is impossible, for the very reason you responded to -- English is ambiguous. You can't have black-and-white rules. Even if we somehow did define them so tightly that they could exist, we'd need to change them constantly to adapt to the current situation, and we'd wind up with a worse system than we have now, with many more conflicts and contradictions than exist now.


And maybe a customized rules in each and every subsection as to what is allowed and what's not.....cos what are allowed in one section aren't allowed in other section....


Actually, this is the opposite of what I'd prefer. In fact, I'd rather that the forum's definition be the only forum-specific rule -- you can post what fits the definition, but otherwise your post is getting closed, deleted or moved. If the forums were defined for this, it might be unambiguous enough to work.


Example :

Recently I have a number of posts and threads removed from CL by BSK. My thread asking about "what christians think about being multi-linguist" since it was mentioned that God (chirstian GOD) made man to speak different language so they can't unite together after they they erected the Towel of Babel....buy it was moved to NINF....


I'm not sure that the thread belonged in CL anyways -- sounds like MGCBTSOOYG material.


Then, some of my posts were taken out and be made into a single thread in NINF because.......and according to BSK's own words...

"I was *SPAMING* racist remarks and/or racial slurs when I addressed someone as an "UNDERMAN" ......in ONE of my post....


The FAQ definition of SPAM is either advertising or posting substantially the same rant, argument, etc., in multiple forums. Doing the same (posting the same rant, argument, etc., multiple times) in one forum is defacement, by our definition.


Like...since when is expressing my opinion ONCE is spaming racist remarks ??? And since when it's not allowed in CL ???

Posting it once is probably not enough to be considered SPAM, unless you're trying to sell something. As for whether it's allowed in CL (and why or why not), that's probably something to consult about with Zay and BSK both. I hesitate to speak for a forum that I don't participate in normally.

That's really who you should be now, regardless of what these morons tell you, and that's the guy to come down hard on moderators who twist the rules to suit their personal preferences, who would rather kill this place than use common sense to preserve the spirit of these forums. Zok and acidmelt's job isn't to monitor and discipline moderators for bad judgment and outright abuse of power, it is yours and Meta's, and yours and Meta's alone. When you got promoted, zok got pushed up, and he has absolutely no business whatsoever interfering and sticking his nose in the super-moderators duties which were issued to you by Jeff himself, undermining your earned and authorized authority, and deliberately second guessing your reasoned decisions. Zok is such a sad sack of shit now that he thinks he's gonna grab his promotion and keep his old job too, greedy little idiot that he is. How do you think zok or acidmelt would have felt if Jeff appointed them to their positions, but then went and interfered in their duties without even a thought about it? You can bet they'd scream blue murder, but they're only too happy to stick their noses in the business of the users who just took their place. Makes me sick to see these clowns keep getting away with their complete shit.

If I was actually in a position to deal with moderator issues, it would make more sense if I had the ability to appoint or remove moderators. Since I can't do that, I have to assume it's not my job to do that. Sure, I can watch other mods, and I can talk with them and even take my concerns to the admins, but I can do nothing more than that if I see them get out of line.

Now, for users I can actually do things. I can ban them, but I can also unban them if I believe that a ban was unfairly applied. I can act as a go-between for mods and users that have problems with one another. I can moderate forums other than my own if I see something that needs taken care of. All of these things make me closer to a negotiator for users and mods than a policeman for watching the mods.

I certainly will report a mod that I feel is abusing their position. However, if a mod goes nuts and starts infracting people for no reason, all I can do is reverse the infractions and undo any bans -- I can't do anything directly to stop such a mod.

Well, we're not supposed to take it in that context. We've been explicitly told that certain things are defacement that don't fit into your neat package.

Easily fixed : introduce another new "what's not allowed".... like in the section stick like :

Besides that, vandalizing a thread IS vandalizing a web page -- they're rendered as pages, or do you see a bunch of SQL query result lines on your screen?

such as "posting unnecessary (bla bla bla) that serves no purpose / information...

See, how easy is that ?

What you're asking is impossible, for the very reason you responded to -- English is ambiguous. You can't have black-and-white rules. Even if we somehow did define them so tightly that they could exist, we'd need to change them constantly to adapt to the current situation, and we'd wind up with a worse system than we have now, with many more conflicts and contradictions than exist now.

That why I think totse should a lenient totse-wide rules like (concerning CP and posting something that would result in fed crackdown, other's personal info), ...

and then a sticky, better defined section rules be made and updated constantly cos, let's admit it,...some section like NiS will have a very topic specific thread like "how to install windos" with a very limited ways you can install the XP...

But for sections like B&M which is very subjective and non-technical, to have the same rule for "derailment" is unpractical....like how do you derail "I hate fag" thread in B&M ??? By posting a pro-fag post ??

Actually, this is the opposite of what I'd prefer. In fact, I'd rather that the forum's definition be the only forum-specific rule -- you can post what fits the definition, but otherwise your post is getting closed, deleted or moved. If the forums were defined for this, it might be unambiguous enough to work.

ok....I agree too, which is why totse-wide rules should be loosen up a lot, then a more defined in-section sticky be set up.....

I'm not sure that the thread belonged in CL anyways -- sounds like MGCBTSOOYG material.

but according to my opinion....it didn't just concerns the christian God alone, but it involves the "act of speaking multiple language" so....I think they rightfully belonged in .... CL.... since christians that didn't speak multiple language aren't involved...

The FAQ definition of SPAM is either advertising or posting substantially the same rant, argument, etc., in multiple forums. Doing the same (posting the same rant, argument, etc., multiple times) in one forum is defacement, by our definition.

The word "rant" is where it gets ambiguous.....cos what constitute a rant to you isn't the same for me....you kno ??

And the "same argument" thingy...can be applied to any racist vs. anti-racist arguments easily, cos, in some way, what a racist says about racial differences will always be "racist", and vice versa with anti-racists....

So whatever new "proof" or "links" can again .... be construed as "same argument" ....

Posting it once is probably not enough to be considered SPAM, unless you're trying to sell something. As for whether it's allowed in CL (and why or why not), that's probably something to consult about with Zay and BSK both. I hesitate to speak for a forum that I don't participate in normally.

Yea...I thought about making an email to you about it,....but considering it's such a small issue to me....I'm too lazy and got demotivated after a ghostly "pop" came out of my utorrent....

hehe...

If I was actually in a position to deal with moderator issues, it would make more sense if I had the ability to appoint or remove moderators. Since I can't do that, I have to assume it's not my job to do that. Sure, I can watch other mods, and I can talk with them and even take my concerns to the admins, but I can do nothing more than that if I see them get out of line.

Now, for users I can actually do things. I can ban them, but I can also unban them if I believe that a ban was unfairly applied. I can act as a go-between for mods and users that have problems with one another. I can moderate forums other than my own if I see something that needs taken care of. All of these things make me closer to a negotiator for users and mods than a policeman for watching the mods.

I certainly will report a mod that I feel is abusing their position. However, if a mod goes nuts and starts infracting people for no reason, all I can do is reverse the infractions and undo any bans -- I can't do anything directly to stop such a mod.

Jeff has ALREADY given you full mandate to select which moderators go in which forums, as is evidenced by the following statement - it's just that zok and acidmelt will make it appear differently to you in order to try and get their stupid little assholes up over yours. They just can't let go of the power, even if Jeff says it will be so. They'll basically just ignore Jeff's explicit wishes, lie to to you, keep you down, and go on being the idiots they've proven themselves to be. Do you really think Jeff would state IN BLACK AND WHITE that you are fully authorized to select moderators if you were not indeed authorized?? And if you are authorized to select moderators, which you are, it only follows that you are also fully authorized to take disciplinary action against corrupt moderators. Most likely, zok or acidmelt have limited your account privileges without telling either Jeff or the other moderators, making it so you can't infract or ban moderators. You really have no idea how despicable these goofs can be. Don't expect them to reveal to you how much actual control they have over the settings on your account. They're liars and connivers, and you just can't believe anything that comes out of their crooked mouth.

"I have nothing against the people who were modded this way. In fact, some of them probably would have been modded anyway and will probably be re-modded by one of the super-mods after I've un-modded them."

- Jeff Hunter

http://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10717092&postcount=1

I've explained my actions Meth. As for me being a derailer, sure, I'm an argumentative cunt, but as a mod I don't recall basing entire posts around a meatspin link.

You however are a habitual troll, spammer, derailer, defacer (whatever ever the fuck you'd like to call it), hence the warning shot of a few days ban (remember I expected you to contact one of the super's). Even if you'd contacted him within a few hours I'd still have suggested the ban be lifted. The point is I know what you're like as a poster; if you were a n00b I'd simply have told you to knock it off. Unfortunately for you you've been around here too long to play the 'innocence' card IMO.

And Meta n' Oddballz have already done a fine job of going into further detail about infraction policy and the limitations it imposes upon mods.

You however are a habitual troll, spammer, derailer, defacer .


Some would argue that this is a fitting discription of you

Also what kind of crack binge did you come off of to finally pipe up in this thread

I would like to say it is too bad that spectral can't become a mod
I think he may have done some good around here
Although why he defends you is beyond me . I think you are an awful mod to begin with and your behaviour shows that
For someone that is supposed to be a quote on quote role model for the rest of us you sure do a lousy fucking job


It is also a shame that good ol oddballz has been dragged thru the mud so to speak by others as he is good people


have fun guys
I think this thread will go down as one of the biggest trolls totse has seen

Thing is, these sad sacks of shit get much more attention when the site is fucked than they do when it's running smoothly. You have to understand that these pathetic wanna-bes CRAVE attention, and so they'll deliberately create problems on Totse, or they'll deliberately neglect an important issue, just to have everyone running to email or chat with them about it - then they'll simply sit back like the useless jackasses they have proven themselves to be and suck back all the attention. The longer they do not address the issue, the more attention they get. You have to remember that without the title of Administrator under their nicks, they're nothing more than your common idiots... really nothing more than your clueless punks, looking for their next fix of power just to satisfy their basically boring lives. They don't want to get to work on anything to better Totse, because that would mean they wouldn't be the center of attention all the time. Pathetic really, if you think about it for longer than 5 seconds.

Can't believe I just read this whole thread .... time to make a B&M about how I want my 10 minutes back.

Can't believe I just read this whole thread .... time to make a B&M about how I want my 10 minutes back.Shut up taker. :mad:

You however are a habitual troll, spammer, derailer, defacer...

Some would argue that this is a fitting discription of you... I think you are an awful mod to begin with and your behaviour shows that
For someone that is supposed to be a quote on quote role model for the rest of us you sure do a lousy fucking job

Within the context of Meth's comment, that's already been covered. Other than that, you're most likely referring to my less than "role model" trolling in Half Baked.

Trolling in HB... lol.

Call me old fashioned, but unless someone 'upstairs' tells me that my antics in Totse's trashcan are out of place, then I'll continue as before. Besides, virtually all of what I do in there is intended as a laugh, e.g. telling them I was going to be demodded. (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2177672) Which AFAIK is what HB is now supposedly for - having a laugh.

Also what kind of crack binge did you come off of to finally pipe up in this thread

As a Totse user I'm not as young as I used to be; working myself up into a graphomanical rage is becoming increasingly difficult.

I would like to say it is too bad that spectral can't become a mod
I think he may have done some good around here

The last time I checked there was nothing "can't" about Spectral not being a mod.

Unless my information needs updating.

Although why he defends you is beyond me.

It wasn't always like that, once upon a time I could have quite happily punched Spectral in the face. But over time I came to greatly value him as a member of this site; it's in his absence that you truly appreicate how much life he brings to this place. Now I defend him, when others start throwing around claims they can't substantiate.

That's made me unpopular with some, but I couldn't care less.

What you're asking is impossible, for the very reason you responded to -- English is ambiguous. You can't have black-and-white rules. Even if we somehow did define them so tightly that they could exist, we'd need to change them constantly to adapt to the current situation, and we'd wind up with a worse system than we have now, with many more conflicts and contradictions than exist now.

This is the second time you've made me speechless in this thread....the first being because you provided me with laughter. This time, I'm just absolutely stunned that someone of your intellect would perpetuate such an idea.

Basically what you are saying is that because absolute perfection in anything is impossible (completely agreed), there is no use to strive for a better circumstance than we already have. Do you realize how we would have never evolved past club dragging caveman if all of humanity thought and acted in such a way? So because you can't ever attain 100%, you won't shoot for 98%, 95%, even 90%?

Instead you'd choose to wallow around in mediocrity, rather than revisit and possibly update the FAQ if it is determined it needs to be updated? Myself, I don't think anything in the FAQ needs to be "fixed"....as it pretty much hits everything that needs to be said. The problem is these very sketchy/liberal "interpretations" of those rules as well as the complete butchering of the english language.

One thing that needs to be brought up in all of this.....is the argument of "had to" vs. "allowed to". By that I mean you can twist, spin, interpret all day long on why such and such moderator was "allowed" to close a thread....but did they really "HAVE TO"???? And that is what is pretty much sucking the very lifeblood out of this place.

Unless its CP, personal info, legitimate threats or obvious criminal activity...there is absolutey no fuckin thread at all that "HAS TO" be modded. Beyond any of that it is all a subjective and discretionary judgement call by a mod/super-mod/administrator......and any modding actions beyond that should be able to stand the test of common sense and reason. That is the biggest problem here.....you have people that mod/admin with decisions not because they "have to", but because they are "allowed to". And it is after they abuse/overuse the tools they have in place to keep this place tidy is when all hell breaks loose. In essence modding to satiate their own esteem/emotional quirk, rather than what is best for Totse.

I think you are an awful mod to begin with and your behaviour shows that .....

SoTB is by far and away one of Totse's best mods, and more effective/entertaining posters.

Pill Popper, for you even thinking such a thing, much less spewing such nonsense publicly only proves you have no idea what Totse is, was built on, or the purpose of the place. Your softcore playground whining has no relevance or sting in an environment that is dedicated to "knowledge".

Now go sit the fuck back down back at the little people table, and maybe in a couple of years you might have the rudimentary skills finally learned to be qualified to carry Slave's bags, or be his driver or something.

"I have nothing against the people who were modded this way. In fact, some of them probably would have been modded anyway and will probably be re-modded by one of the super-mods after I've un-modded them."

- Jeff Hunter

http://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10717092&postcount=1

There ya go Spectral.....now you've done it. You just slammed the lid shut firmly on this real nice discussion we had with Oddballz. Ain't no getting around that little tidbit there, that's for sure.

Thanks bud, now you've subjected us back to the Snoopy/Masero puppet show.....all because you had to drop the nuclear bomb labeled TRUTH and FACTS on this entire discourse.

InB4"WhatJeffReallyWasTryingToSayWuz......"

This is the second time you've made me speechless in this thread....the first being because you provided me with laughter. This time, I'm just absolutely stunned that someone of your intellect would perpetuate such an idea.

Basically what you are saying is that because absolute perfection in anything is impossible (completely agreed), there is no use to strive for a better circumstance than we already have. Do you realize how we would have never evolved past club dragging caveman if all of humanity thought and acted in such a way? So because you can't ever attain 100%, you won't shoot for 98%, 95%, even 90%?

Instead you'd choose to wallow around in mediocrity, rather than revisit and possibly update the FAQ if it is determined it needs to be updated? Myself, I don't think anything in the FAQ needs to be "fixed"....as it pretty much hits everything that needs to be said. The problem is these very sketchy/liberal "interpretations" of those rules as well as the complete butchering of the english language.

What I meant is that if we spend too much time on definitions, we'll never stop. Each definition will probably have at least one or two words that are ambiguous, which we would then need to define.

If we could nail down the definitions to have strict meanings, we'd be making changes too often and tear them apart.

An example of this from this thread is the question of what constitutes a "rant". According to Wikipedia, a rant is defined as follows:

A rant or harangue is a speech or text that does not present a well-researched and calm argument; rather, it is typically an attack on an idea, a person or an institution, and very often lacks proven claims. Such attacks are usually personal attacks. Compare with a dialectic.


That definition then requires defining "attack on an idea, person or institution". Does a physical assault (while speaking to the victim) count? (The answer is no.) We also need to define dialectic if we're going to use it, since it's a different type of argument to compare against (and which would therefore be excluded from this definition, more than likely).


One thing that needs to be brought up in all of this.....is the argument of "had to" vs. "allowed to". By that I mean you can twist, spin, interpret all day long on why such and such moderator was "allowed" to close a thread....but did they really "HAVE TO"???? And that is what is pretty much sucking the very lifeblood out of this place.

Unless its CP, personal info, legitimate threats or obvious criminal activity...there is absolutey no fuckin thread at all that "HAS TO" be modded. Beyond any of that it is all a subjective and discretionary judgement call by a mod/super-mod/administrator......and any modding actions beyond that should be able to stand the test of common sense and reason. That is the biggest problem here.....you have people that mod/admin with decisions not because they "have to", but because they are "allowed to". And it is after they abuse/overuse the tools they have in place to keep this place tidy is when all hell breaks loose. In essence modding to satiate their own esteem/emotional quirk, rather than what is best for Totse.

I'll c/p one part again from that:
Unless its CP, personal info, legitimate threats or obvious criminal activity...there is absolutey[sic] no fuckin thread at all that "HAS TO" be modded.

That's pretty much true. I'd say that forum flooding fits into that category as well (posting large numbers of threads in a short time, usually with no content or bearing on the forum in question).

There ya go Spectral.....now you've done it. You just slammed the lid shut firmly on this real nice discussion we had with Oddballz. Ain't no getting around that little tidbit there, that's for sure.

Thanks bud, now you've subjected us back to the Snoopy/Masero puppet show.....all because you had to drop the nuclear bomb labeled TRUTH and FACTS on this entire discourse.

InB4"WhatJeffReallyWasTryingToSayWuz......"

Zok and acidmelt are Super Moderators also; you can get that information from http://www.totse.com/community/showgroups.php

I've never had the power to do anything to other mods besides delete/move/close their posts/threads, and reverse their infractions. I'm pretty sure Jeff just misspoke (miswrote?) when typing that -- I even posted in that same thread that Super Moderators can't appoint Moderators directly.

A better term for supermods would be Global Moderator, as it's used on other forum sites. We're mods that can mod anywhere, and with a few additional tools to make us useful to the admins (because we can handle some of the tasks the admins were being asked for). That's pretty much it.

InB4"WhatJeffReallyWasTryingToSayWuz......"

I'm pretty sure Jeff just misspoke (miswrote?) when typing that.


Thanks for that! :)





Zok and acidmelt are Super Moderators also; you can get that information from http://www.totse.com/community/showgroups.php

I've never had the power to do anything to other mods besides delete/move/close their posts/threads, and reverse their infractions.

We understand what you THINK you have been "limited" to. You are still missing Spectral's point though. He is trying to say that Zok/Acidmelt are witholding certain powers or abilities Jeff intended you to have, all because of their power hungry and selfish agenda. A non-Totse scenario for better clarity would go like this....

Mother gives Big Brother $10 for him and Little Brother to play at the arcade. Mother never tells Little Brother exactly how much, instead its....."Older Brother has some $, go have fun". On the way Big Brother says...."Here, Mom gave us $6. That is $3 for me, and $3 for you"......of course pocketing the extra $4 for himself for later.

Get it now?

A couple things I meant to comment on and forgot earlier:

This twit, zok, has advised Oddballz194 that he's decided there will be a rule that I'm never to be modded

Actually, I don't remember him saying never -- he said you weren't to be modded now, not that you were never to be modded, in my recollection.

I've actually been e-mailed directly by certain management on behalf of the administrators, requesting I not supply accounts to users who they perma-banned simply for speaking their minds. Of course, I would never offer or give an account to a banned user... perish the thought... but just the fact that these utter dolts shut some very popular posters down forever just for posting some text they didn't like, then had the gall to send e-mail out requesting they never get another account again, shows how shallow and self-centered they really are. The public hardly sees any of the idiocy these clowns are constantly up to behind the scenes.

I wonder if you might have accidentally given an account to someone who is supposed to be permabanned? That might explain things -- they might be trying something like the "timeout system" of parenting with you, delaying the possibility of remodding you for a time so you can think it over. (Although you don't have access to the permaban list, and even if you did there's nothing to prevent someone from using a different name, IP address, email address, etc., to fool you into helping them -- but the admins might not realize that you don't have access to the list, since it's separate from the infraction list.)

A couple things I meant to comment on and forgot earlier:

Actually, I don't remember him saying never -- he said you weren't to be modded now, not that you were never to be modded, in my recollection.


"Who said no? Zok. Why did he say no? I've been told that I'm taking this forum too seriously, and don't need another mod (at least at the moment). Also, apparently there is a rule against modding -SpectraL, but I don't know why (I'm not on the Need To Know list). He's a nice fellow and I hope he continues to visit every once in a while though. He's one of the few that can come up with totally crazy dialog in IRC and keep up with it after it's going. :D"

-Oddballz194



Actually Oddballz194, it was this comment that sent me into an honest fury. To find out that I've been excluded from consideration for no obvious reason at all made me see red, and I'm still seeing it. I do have the feeling too that you let it slip, and now you are simply attempting to change your own statement, while the truth of the existence of this fucked-up rule still remains. I honestly thought zok was a pretty decent and fair guy until you dropped this comment on me. There's no way in hell I would let this kind of thing slide by if it is in fact true. All I've ever done here is contribute hits and views, and I've put too much into the place to be treated like a piece of garbage.

As for the handing out of accounts, I got permission for that straight from management before handing any out. As far as I was aware, none of those recipients were under ban. If management did not want me to give out accounts, they should have just said so in the first place, rather than stab me in the back when I went on their permission. I was simply trying to fatten this place a bit when the numbers were done so low we were all quite concerned about it.

Spectral the mods here and the others at the top of the list including Jeff do not give one rats ass about Totse. All anybody here cares about is trying to piss people off. Lets face it there is not really much for a mod to do here except troll so it is no surprise they sit around and if they notice anybody who actually shows the least bit interest in making Totse better they go after him

"Who said no? Zok. Why did he say no? I've been told that I'm taking this forum too seriously, and don't need another mod (at least at the moment). Also, apparently there is a rule against modding -SpectraL, but I don't know why (I'm not on the Need To Know list). He's a nice fellow and I hope he continues to visit every once in a while though. He's one of the few that can come up with totally crazy dialog in IRC and keep up with it after it's going. :D"

-Oddballz194

I still don't know the reason. I'm just speculating -- it's a guess. For all I know, it might be unintentionally giving you forum admin privileges when you're modded so they have to avoid that until it gets fixed.

A rule against modding you doesn't have to be a permanent rule, you know. Zok may have meant that it was a rule for that week.


Actually Oddballz194, it was this comment that sent me into an honest fury. To find out that I've been excluded from consideration for no obvious reason at all made me see red, and I'm still seeing it. I do have the feeling too that you let it slip, and now you are simply attempting to change your own statement, while the truth of the existence of this fucked-up rule still remains. I honestly thought zok was a pretty decent and fair guy until you dropped this comment on me. There's no way in hell I would let this kind of thing slide by if it is in fact true. All I've ever done here is contribute hits and views, and I've put too much into the place to be treated like a piece of garbage.

I did in fact say it by accident. However, Zok really didn't say that you could never be modded again -- he just turned me down when I asked.


As for the handing out of accounts, I got permission for that straight from management before handing any out. As far as I was aware, none of those recipients were under ban. If management did not want me to give out accounts, they should have just said so in the first place, rather than stab me in the back when I went on their permission. I was simply trying to fatten this place a bit when the numbers were done so low we were all quite concerned about it.

I know you got permission to hand out accounts. This whole thing could, for all I know, be the result of a fairly simple misunderstanding -- someone may have gotten their wires crossed along the line.

The sources they're talking about are sources for illegal goods -- like online pharmacies and vendors of drugs that are illegal for humans but not illegal or of questionable legality for animal testing. These links have been prohibited on Totse under the rule against organizing criminal activity on the boards.



More accurately, referral links are commercial links, and considered SPAM for that reason. They're not permitted anywhere on Totse as far as I am aware


What is clear is you didn't check out the posts that were referred to with regard to the two posts relating to posting sources, or if the posts were deleted, that you didn't bother to ask anyone what those posts were or why the infractions were issued. I can assume without loss of generality that you didn't check out the other posts/threads either, since it's probably true.

Actually, Oddballz194, it was YOU who did not check out the posts that were referred to. If you HAD OF, you would have discovered how right I really was, and how wrong the moderator who banned the user really was.

If you'll take a look at the "offending" post, you will plainly see that the user was asking for LEGITIMATE sources. Since when is it a banning offense to request LEGITIMATE sources? Now, if someone just came on and asked for an illegal drug or sources for them, I could understand the concern, but when a user specifically goes out of his/her was to specify they are asking for LEGITIMATE sources, knowing they will get banned if they do not specify, but STILL get banned for it... then there's a BIG problem in my Totse.

Here is the banned user's post again, since in your great haste to exonerate an unjust moderator, you obviously intentionally missed it the first time:

"so, I'm looking for a online pharmacy to buy Hydrocodone from. I've herd a lot of talk that some places will sell you counterfeit pills or not send you anything at all. now hearing all that i don't wanna just go to any site that i THINK looks okay, i want a for sure legit website. i know there out there just don't know which one to use. anybody know of a good one?

^ Hardly a bannable offense, unless you're a moderator with insecurity issues and need to take your shit out on honest posters simply for kicks that is. If it was me, I would demod this moderator in a heartbeat.

Actually, Oddballz194, it was YOU who did not check out the posts that were referred to. If you HAD OF, you would have discovered how right I really was, and how wrong the moderator who banned the user really was.

If you'll take a look at the "offending" post, you will plainly see that the user was asking for LEGITIMATE sources. Since when is it a banning offense to request LEGITIMATE sources? Now, if someone just came on and asked for an illegal drug or sources for them, I could understand the concern, but when a user specifically goes out of his/her was to specify they are asking for LEGITIMATE sources, knowing they will get banned if they do not specify, but STILL get banned for it... then there's a BIG problem in my Totse.

The member was not asking for legal sites, but legitimate vendors -- those which will actually send the product when they have his money. There's another English ambiguity for you.

Using online pharmacies outside the USA is de facto illegal. Using online pharmacies inside the USA is questionably legal, probably illegal in a lot of cases.


Here is the banned user's post again, since in your great haste to exonerate an unjust moderator, you obviously intentionally missed it the first time:

"so, I'm looking for a online pharmacy to buy Hydrocodone from. I've herd a lot of talk that some places will sell you counterfeit pills or not send you anything at all. now hearing all that i don't wanna just go to any site that i THINK looks okay, i want a for sure legit website. i know there out there just don't know which one to use. anybody know of a good one?


He's asking for help in purchasing a Schedule II Controlled Substance from an online pharmacy. That's a felony, then he has another felony for Possession of a Schedule II Controlled Substance if he actually gets it (assuming he's in the USA, but since Totse goes by US law...).

Again, this is asking for help in committing a criminal offense. Clearly bannable.


^ Hardly a bannable offense, unless you're a moderator with insecurity issues and need to take your shit out on honest posters simply for kicks that is. If it was me, I would demod this moderator in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't -- that mod did exactly the right thing.

I still don't know the reason. I'm just speculating -- it's a guess. For all I know, it might be unintentionally giving you forum admin privileges when you're modded so they have to avoid that until it gets fixed.

A rule against modding you doesn't have to be a permanent rule, you know. Zok may have meant that it was a rule for that week.



I did in fact say it by accident. However, Zok really didn't say that you could never be modded again -- he just turned me down when I asked.



I know you got permission to hand out accounts. This whole thing could, for all I know, be the result of a fairly simple misunderstanding -- someone may have gotten their wires crossed along the line.You know, I've always been dissapointed that zok doesn't take better care of this place, but I've always thought he was much better at it than that complete waste of space acidmelt. Even though I was disappointed in him, I didn't hold it against him, as I figured he may still have a lot going on in his personal life and just couldn't do it as well as he really wanted to.

But then, when you advised me he had made what looked at the time to be a permanent decision that I would NEVER be given an opportunity to mod, and after all the encouraging comments I have received from him these past months, I got really angry and felt outright betrayed by him, since I could think of no honest reason why he would do such a thing. Those thoughts led me to a few other ones, of which I had been suppressing due to uncertainty as to zok's actual situation. I'm still not certain that what you've handed me here is legit, but at least it's cooled the coals in my heart, and I'm at least willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about it.

The member was not asking for legal sites, but legitimate vendors -- those which will actually send the product when they have his money. There's another English ambiguity for you.

If they are a legitimate vendor, why is it a crime to do business with them?

If they are a legitimate vendor, why is it a crime to do business with them?

Legitimate in this case doesn't mean legal. It only means they're not a scam artist -- they don't take the money and run.

The member was not asking for legal sites, but legitimate vendors -- those which will actually send the product when they have his money. There's another English ambiguity for you.

Using online pharmacies outside the USA is de facto illegal. Using online pharmacies inside the USA is questionably legal, probably illegal in a lot of cases.



He's asking for help in purchasing a Schedule II Controlled Substance from an online pharmacy. That's a felony, then he has another felony for Possession of a Schedule II Controlled Substance if he actually gets it (assuming he's in the USA, but since Totse goes by US law...).

Again, this is asking for help in committing a criminal offense. Clearly bannable.



I wouldn't -- that mod did exactly the right thing.

Oh for the love of god Oddballz......can't you see how amazingly PETTY this is all becoming? There is no friggin "crime" being committed, and all you are discussing/dissecting is the absolute minutae of the specifics of SOME local laws.

This all boils down to "had to" moderate a post vs. "allowed to" moderate one that I was discussing a few hours earlier. Christ, if you looked hard enough and long enough,you could find laws being "broken" all over this place. You a fan of American Football Oddballz? Ya know how the experts say that the penalty of "holding" takes place in about 95% of all plays? Same scenario here.

Oddballz, if you REALLY want to start strong-arming posters and running around with such paranoia of...."but it might be illegal SOMEWHERE"....then you might as well close up shop and turn the lights off on the way out the door. Because then you can never have another thread in S & A titled...."Can I have tips in giving my girlfriend anal?".....because in many localities (and yes in the USA) it is in fact ILLEGAL to buttfuck your girlfriend, or wife, or anyone else no matter how consensual the whole thing is.

How about locking down Gearheads....because someone might ask....."How do I beat a state emissions test?" Lord knows we wouldn't want any poster or regular giving the advice of....."Go 70mph on the highway for 10 minutes beforehand, that usually does the trick". Because then at that point we are encouraging people to break speeding laws.

Perhaps we should police DIY better, since a lot of THAT advice goes around hiring licensed professionals that sometimes breaks city ordinances????

Similar scenarios (errrrr, EXCUSES to be a hard-handed dick, I mean moderator) could fit in any and every board on Totse. And here you are defending some fuckwit that use their mod buttons as a way to get some jumpstart to their tattered ego......as if you prattling on about the fine print of legalities somehow now gives that mod open license to be that prick.

Hell Oddballz, in my community there are laws about disorderly conduct and decency....certainly I'm breaking a few of those by using such profane language all over these boards? Maybe I should be banned for "breaking the law" or "conspiring to commit illegal acts" now too?????

Totse doesn't care about city or local ordinances unless they're for the locality in which the server is located. Otherwise, all of your example offenses are pretty petty and minor. Being involved in the illegal import of drugs, and having possession of those drugs, is a pretty major federal crime.

There has been a rule against posting sources or asking for them for a long time. It's really pretty stupid to do also, since there's a chance that it could draw unwanted attention to you and the source.

Totse doesn't care about city or local ordinances unless they're for the locality in which the server is located. Otherwise, all of your example offenses are pretty petty and minor. Being involved in the illegal import of drugs, and having possession of those drugs, is a pretty major federal crime.

There has been a rule against posting sources or asking for them for a long time. It's really pretty stupid to do also, since there's a chance that it could draw unwanted attention to you and the source.

Now you are being way subjective to what YOUR idea of what is "minor" or "petty". And really Oddballz, you putting up ANY text/verbiage/argument about the aquiring or possession of drugs is profoundly absurd, ridiculous, and hilarious. HELLO!???! The entire fuckin forum of BLTC is committed to that very notion....so what is different in this ONE particular scenario?

Ahhhhh...that is right, it is one moderator that has a hard-on for one particular poster.....so of course lets whip up some twisted interpretation of the rules along with redefining certain words in the english language....and that explains completely how that poster is so "different" than everyone else that isn't getting fucked with by a heavy handed moderator.

Totse doesn't care about city or local ordinances unless they're for the locality in which the server is located. Otherwise, all of your example offenses are pretty petty and minor. Being involved in the illegal import of drugs, and having possession of those drugs, is a pretty major federal crime.

There has been a rule against posting sources or asking for them for a long time. It's really pretty stupid to do also, since there's a chance that it could draw unwanted attention to you and the source.Regardless of the technicalities of the "offense", I would like to point out at this time that the poster in question was obviously very careful to express his/her desire to stay "legitimate", and obviously wanted to get involved but not have to lose the use of the account for it. At least in his/her mind, there was a non-rule-breaking post being made. This was a PERFECT scenario for a warning, since the user was already apparently worried about asking for something that might be breaking the rules here. To shut a user down for a single error is the height of idiocy, and only serves to bring Totse down further into the depths of common and boring website-ery. Looking at this poster's history, he/she had no previous history of such offenses. The whole point of this thread is that moderators are taking their actual authority WAY too seriously, and so the forums are definitely suffering from this gung-ho attitude. It's easy math, and it's not all that hard to calculate.

Regardless of the technicalities of the "offense", I would like to point out at this time that the poster in question was obviously very careful to express his/her desire to stay "legitimate", and obviously wanted to get involved but not have to lose the use of the account for it.

The poster wasn't asking for a legal site, nor was the use of the word legit referring to trying to stay within the rules. That was ONLY intended to avoid getting ripped off.

At least in his/her mind, there was a non-rule-breaking post being made. This was a PERFECT scenario for a warning, since the user was already apparently worried about asking for something that might be breaking the rules here. To shut a user down for a single error is the height of idiocy, and only serves to bring Totse down further into the depths of common and boring website-ery. Looking at this poster's history, he/she had no previous history of such offenses. The whole point of this thread is that moderators are taking their actual authority WAY too seriously, and so the forums are definitely suffering from this gung-ho attitude. It's easy math, and it's not all that hard to calculate.

It's NOT a non-rule-breaking post. It's clearly rule breaking, since there is, and has always been, a rule against posting or asking for sources of illegal narcotics. If they're dumb enough to post asking for it, they should expect to be banned. Maybe not a permaban (and in this case it's not a permaban), but a ban of some sort. Totse is not going into the drug business, and we're not going to facilitate people using this site to purchase narcotics without a prescription.

The poster wasn't asking for a legal site, nor was the use of the word legit referring to trying to stay within the rules. That was ONLY intended to avoid getting ripped off.



It's NOT a non-rule-breaking post. It's clearly rule breaking, since there is, and has always been, a rule against posting or asking for sources of illegal narcotics. If they're dumb enough to post asking for it, they should expect to be banned. Maybe not a permaban (and in this case it's not a permaban), but a ban of some sort. Totse is not going into the drug business, and we're not going to facilitate people using this site to purchase narcotics without a prescription.

Well, if Totse keeps taking the hard-line when it comes to any kind of request for information, we will surely lose our unique status as a source of anarchist-style atmosphere, which is what actually draws good users to this place. IMO, and in these kinds of cases, it would be much more productive to Totse to use banning as a LAST resort, and simply delete the offending post instead, and EDUCATE. If the user did it again, obviously they are not learning, and need to be expelled. Many users here just do not know the ropes, and they are very ill-informed when it comes to what they can and cannot post. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of education alone to rectify the problem and keep an otherwise good and contributive user onboard. It pays to think of the big picture, instead of just pandering to the momentary power of pressing an infraction into the system for kicks.

Well, if Totse keeps taking the hard-line when it comes to any kind of request for information, we will surely lose our unique status as a source of anarchist-style atmosphere, which is what actually draws good users to this place. IMO, and in these kinds of cases, it would be much more productive to Totse to use banning as a LAST resort, and simply delete the offending post instead, and EDUCATE. If the user did it again, obviously they are not learning, and need to be expelled. Many users here just do not know the ropes, and they are very ill-informed when it comes to what they can and cannot post. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of education alone to rectify the problem and keep an otherwise good and contributive user onboard. It pays to think of the big picture, instead of just pandering to the momentary power of pressing an infraction into the system for kicks.

Actually, we probably ought to just modify the descriptions of certain forums to remind users that they're not permitted to post links to or names of sources of illegal goods, and they're not allowed to ask for those things either. (Names are prohibited because they sometimes make it trivial to find the source that was being discussed.)

This site isn't a trading post.

Sure, the mod can do what you suggest -- delete the post and warn the user that they're looking at getting an infraction. I might normally do that myself if I was modding a forum where posted sources of illegal goods was a likely problem. But AFAIK it's not required to do so.

Personally, I don't ban people for fun. I infract or do a direct ban only if someone fucks up. I can't say I disagree with the ban though, in this case, because it is a rule that is clearly posted:


1. Posting of Online Pharmacies, Mail-Order Marijuana Websites, Illegal Drug E-mail Sources, etc:

These websites are strictly forbidden from being posted. The URL's, the company names, e-mails, or any other information that gives away, or hints at the identity of these types of "businesses" will not be posted. In other words, do not use the boards as any means to discuss them.

http://www.undrug.org will help you for all "Is this source good?" threads.

Note: Botanical Vendors are allowed to be posted, these are the only websites that are allowed.


Source: Forum Rules and Official Thread Links (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=1990768)

Actually, we probably ought to just modify the descriptions of certain forums to remind users that they're not permitted to post links to or names of sources of illegal goods, and they're not allowed to ask for those things either. (Names are prohibited because they sometimes make it trivial to find the source that was being discussed.)

This site isn't a trading post.

Sure, the mod can do what you suggest -- delete the post and warn the user that they're looking at getting an infraction. I might normally do that myself if I was modding a forum where posted sources of illegal goods was a likely problem. But AFAIK it's not required to do so.

Personally, I don't ban people for fun. I infract or do a direct ban only if someone fucks up. I can't say I disagree with the ban though, in this case, because it is a rule that is clearly posted:



Source: Forum Rules and Official Thread Links (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=1990768)

I can't say that I disagree with you, but I can guarantee you that we do in fact have a big problem with over moderation, Metaphysicist only being one example of renegade-style moderating just for kicks. Even though I hugely admire him, and respect him as a shining Totse icon, as well as a real person with a great level of intelligence, I can't lie and say he does not do exactly what I am talking about. There have been DOZENS of posters he has banned in the past months who little deserved to be expelled, and many, many threads he has closed for no apparent reason, and many posts he has deleted even though he is not permitted to do so in those particular cases. If only moderators would realize that throwing the baby out with the bathwater will do nothing beneficial AT ALL for Totse, then at least we'd be heading in the right direction, instead of downhill like a runaway baby-carriage on a New York business district street.

For the record, I find you to be an extremely dedicated Templar, very knowledgeable in many fields, always willing to help out, and I think you are a definite asset to Totse, just like Metaphysicist is.

Totse is not going into the drug business, and we're not going to facilitate people using this site to purchase narcotics without a prescription.

GTFO of here with such nonsense. If there is even the remotest piece of truth to anything you've said here....then just close the ENTIRE BLTC forum. And then get ready to ban/infract anytime anyone makes mention of buying/using/possessing drugs.

Fuck Oddballz, in your deligence to support/defend even the most nonsensical modding mishaps around here you are being completely blinded to common sense. Blind loyalty is still blind, and no matter how many footnotes or links you want to post in your futile attempts at defending heavy handed moderators you still can't see the forest through all of the trees.

I forgot to mention in my last post that although I agree with the ban, I would still be willing to negotiate between the poster and the issuing mod to see if the ban remains necessary or if it can be removed. Generally, with my own bans, I'm willing to remove them if 1) the poster didn't do the same thing before, and 2) the poster agrees not to repeat the unwanted action, and 3) it's not CP or something that causes a similar level of problems for us.

As for over-moderation, I admit it exists. I've been known to over-moderate at times. Usually, if you need to do a lot of moderating in a forum, you're doing something wrong (although having to do a lot of cleanup might not be your fault if it's something like a user flooding the forum).

^ This guy's good, people. ;)

GTFO of here with such nonsense. If there is even the remotest piece of truth to anything you've said here....then just close the ENTIRE BLTC forum. And then get ready to ban/infract anytime anyone makes mention of buying/using/possessing drugs.

Fuck Oddballz, in your deligence to support/defend even the most nonsensical modding mishaps around here you are being completely blinded to common sense. Blind loyalty is still blind, and no matter how many footnotes or links you want to post in your futile attempts at defending heavy handed moderators you still can't see the forest through all of the trees.

You're allowed to discuss purchasing/possessing/transporting/smuggling/selling/using drugs. Just not where you got them, or to whom you've sold them. We're not here to facilitate people in the actual act of purchasing drugs. If they do it themselves, that's one thing, but they should do the search for the sources through other channels -- there are other sites out there to get that info. This site isn't about how to score your next load of Vicodins, but it's ok to say that you already have gotten your pills.

Exactly my feelings. If any poster tries to use Totse as a platform or launching pad for personal gain, they need to be looked at without delay. Then again, if it looks like they deserved a warning, then they should get a warning, and then be banned if they persist. Another scenario would be that they get no warning at all if it were plain and obvious that they were aware of the rules when they posted.

Shut up taker. :mad:?????

?????I was referring to how you were crying about wanting your ten minutes back. You don't want to read, then just get the fuck out. You want to say and express your opinions in something less than kidiot-speak, you're more than welcome.

This thread is proof that sometimes derailment can be a good thing; discussing the warts on my ass would've have been far less interesting than this DaGuru/Spectral/Oddballz exchange.

Carry on.

This thread is proof that sometimes derailment can be a good thing; discussing the warts on my ass would've have been far less interesting than this DaGuru/Spectral/Oddballz exchange.

Carry on.

Indeed.

And I think Oddballz himself deserves an extra special kudos for all that he has contributed and discussed on this thread. At least he is coming to the table with SOMETHING.... whereas his colleagues either hide in the shadows completely like Zok and Acidmelt.....or Meta's style of peeking his head out every now and again to drop very simplistic nonsense only to run back to safe cover once his bullshit has been called out.

Even though I may not agree with many of Oddballz explanations and interpretations about things....he is at least showing the LEADERSHIP to stand up for what he believes in and act in an intellectual manner for the betterment of this website. Now only if we could get the other pissant senior staff to have just a fraction of his integrity, fortitude, and smarts.

Keep on keepin on Oddballz.....with all sincerity I salute everything you add and try to do for this place.

BTW Slave, in my time I've been known to make quite a sophisticated dot-to-dot constellation out of warts, pimples, freckles...you name it. Whatever blemish(es) that are on your ass could probably make for quite the entertaining thread.....moreso than what most bring to us here. Don't count your ass so short!

If anyone was to take even a moment to check the infraction-sheet link Jeff made available as a public resource to every user here (https://www.totse.com/community/infraction_list.html), you would see what I mean.



Hahaha, wow. Mods are more Nazi than I thought.

Banned for: No Sources

Banned for: Threatened Physical Harm

Banned for: .

Banned for: Not delivering/Probably has 2x accts.

Haha, power-hungry kidiots.

Fuck you, Meta, you cuntbitch, I want you to undelete my pedo thread!

Also, I fucking hate acidmelt. Stupid cunt. What has he done that's benefitted totse? NOTHING.

Just sits there playing MSN checkers with Zok while totse keeps timing out.

I also fucking hate RDP. You fucking stupid faggotass bitch. Hide behind your fucking T&T rules sticky, you faggot cunt.

Fuck you.

Also, fuck grusomhat fucking bitch. I bet he doesn't even own a hat.

Also, fuck Rev. Ziggy. God damn cocksucker motherfucking ass buttplug dildofucker shit eater cumbucket.

SoTB is by far and away one of Totse's best mods, and more effective/entertaining posters.

Pill Popper, for you even thinking such a thing, much less spewing such nonsense publicly only proves you have no idea what Totse is, was built on, or the purpose of the place. Your softcore playground whining has no relevance or sting in an environment that is dedicated to "knowledge".
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That's funny you should say this
I find you to be an ever worse member then slave
You critize others for their opinions but get pissed when others critique you or another idot you idolize

i'll agree with you on one thing oddballz doesnt deserve to be dragged thru the mud as he DOES do good around here and I have never had an issue with him on this account or the retired account

I would like you to show me how i was whining
as I was stating MY opinion on slave

I could really give two shits if you enjoy being as arguementative as you are. good discussion even arguments are a good thing from time to time .

You seem to get some kind of thrill out of finding creative ways of insulting people and that is where any respect for you is lost

Mind you I guess I will never understand why you hate the admin as much as you do but then again i dont go around causing shit all the time

Mind you I guess I will never understand why you hate the admin as much as you do but then again i dont go around causing shit all the timeThe admin, acidmelt, woke up one morning, read one or two of DaGuru's posts, then decided to try and shut him up by pressing the perma-ban button. Reason: "Too many times now". Next day, both admins got a shit-storm of complaints about the banning, from regular users and moderators alike. Acidmelt tried his patented bullshit with zok, but it wouldn't fly, so after a couple of weeks of hiding, he made up some cock-a-mamee story about how the IP checker gave him a match for multiple accounts, and so he banned, but then the IP checker changed the IP back to DaGuru's own IP, and it ended up to be all the IP checker's fault.. all just a big mistake, really... and DaGuru was unbanned. Then acidmelt went back into hiding again until the next time.

And now you have the whole story in its entirety.

I find you to be an ever worse member then slave



Agreed on that note. Hell, lets write it out in simpler terms for you rather than that butchered and stuttering english....

Slave > DaGuru in the Totse universe.

But considering that is kinda like saying Lebron James > Kobe Bryant, it's safe to say I sleep quite soundly and peacefully at night.


I would like you to show me how i was whining
as I was stating MY opinion on slave


Here ya go....

Some would argue that this is a fitting discription of you

Also what kind of crack binge did you come off of to finally pipe up in this thread

Although why he defends you is beyond me . I think you are an awful mod to begin with and your behaviour shows that
For someone that is supposed to be a quote on quote role model for the rest of us you sure do a lousy fucking job


For anyone reading it objectively....it pretty much comes off as meager whining, and not real flaming/bitching. It's all in how you start the thing...."some would argue", you are deflecting your take or opinion to other people....a mysterious group of people at that with such a vague description of "some". You are pretty much taking away any ownership of any following rants after such a cop out, and the tone/topic/context of the rest of that post never does exceed the profoundly weak nature of the beginning of your rant.

Hence whining.....

for what its worth [and really, don't try me]...


if you post an RC source in BLTC, i will send you on a vacation, no ifs ands or buts. if you bitch to someone in power about said vacation, i will fight to keep you out. period. end of story....


god help you if you do it twice..


[and while i'm thinking about it, the BLTC FAQ needs upgrading, considering undrug's a dupe]

The admin, acidmelt, woke up one morning, read one or two of DaGuru's posts, then decided to try and shut him up by pressing the perma-ban button. Reason: "Too many times now". Next day, both admins got a shit-storm of complaints about the banning, from regular users and moderators alike. Acidmelt tried his patented bullshit with zok, but it wouldn't fly, so after a couple of weeks of hiding, he made up some cock-a-mamee story about how the IP checker gave him a match for multiple accounts, and so he banned, but then the IP checker changed the IP back to DaGuru's own IP, and it ended up to be all the IP checker's fault.. all just a big mistake, really... and DaGuru was unbanned. Then acidmelt went back into hiding again until the next time.

And now you have the whole story in its entirety.

Yeah, pretty much this.

Although you did miss a couple of tidbits. You did leave out a few...."ole buddy, ole friend, ole pal ole mine" 's that Acidmelt loves to use when backtracking and emailing privately without the audience of everyone else wacthing.

He really is the living, breathing, walking J. Jonah Jameson of Totse. Remember the tyrant newspaper boss of Spiderman...aka. Peter Parker? Just like Acidmelt he tries to come off as the tough and gruff badass while basking in the safety behind his desk at the Daily Bugle in the public spotlight. But walking around all by his lonesome, with no titles, no protection, in the darkness of the alleys of life....he was just a snivelling and bumbling coward.

The only difference between the two is that JJJ was an editor of a newspaper, and Acidmelt....well, anyone reading even 2 or 3 senteneces of Acidmelt's illiteracy pretty much knows the profound difference there......

Oh, and you did leave out the part describing how this was when Zok actually WAS still posting in B & M and not hiding in the shadows. He actually made a go of it, and put up a few lengthy posts as a tap-dance during that whole charade.....but all it really did do was prove to the world how utterly and completely shit-his-pants scared he is of Acidmelt.

Shortly after that whole thing is pretty much when Zok quit posting in here altogether, because he realized it was all to much for him and in his feeble and fractured emotional/social state already out of the blocks, it took him quite a long time to recover.

for what its worth [and really, don't try me]...


if you post an RC source in BLTC, i will send you on a vacation, no ifs ands or buts. if you bitch to someone in power about said vacation, i will fight to keep you out. period. end of story....


god help you if you do it twice..


[and while i'm thinking about it, the BLTC FAQ needs upgrading, considering undrug's a dupe]


I get such a kick out of how some of you sit around all the live long day basically teaching/instructing/guiding other people (and of course mostly younger people) how to "properly" put drugs into their body....yet have the audacity to preach with such a "saving the world" tone when it fits you.

Your pseudo sense of indignation is amusing if nothing else. :)

And please understand I'm HARDLY some goody-goody person casting judgement on BLTC or what it respresents.... as I'm probably still one of the biggest stoners on here even at my age.

safety first. put, if totse was a spawning ground of sources, news flash, it'd get shut the fuck down...

its all about knowledge, and preventing someone from doing something stupid. or at least giving them more of a choice rather than just a bunch of half assed replies out of lulz...


now, ima tap dance the fuck outta here eating mangos with sinatra in the background. thank you, have a :eek: day.

if totse was a spawning ground of sources, news flash, it'd get shut the fuck down...
.

Orrrrrrrr.......

The feds would keep it up and running as a lightning rod/net to catch any future nefarious people....all the while maintaining the ruse of "not being a source of _____".

Hmmmmmm, something for the masses to ponder.

Take it away Frankie!!!!....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6uJi9D645w

For anyone reading it objectively....it pretty much comes off as meager whining, and not real flaming/bitching. It's all in how you start the thing...."some would argue", you are deflecting your take or opinion to other people....a mysterious group of people at that with such a vague description of "some". You are pretty much taking away any ownership of any following rants after such a cop out, and the tone/topic/context of the rest of that post never does exceed the profoundly weak nature of the beginning of your rant.

Hence whining.....

Not whining but an opinion My opinion to be exact
I have never particularily liked slave for his/her behaviour and quite frankly as a mod EVEN in HB should at least make an attempt to set an example for the rest of us
I see nothing meager about stating an opinion but then again look at who i am talking too. you whine louder then anyone on totse

The admin, acidmelt, woke up one morning, read one or two of DaGuru's posts, then decided to try and shut him up by pressing the perma-ban button. Reason: "Too many times now". Next day, both admins got a shit-storm of complaints about the banning, from regular users and moderators alike. Acidmelt tried his patented bullshit with zok, but it wouldn't fly, so after a couple of weeks of hiding, he made up some cock-a-mamee story about how the IP checker gave him a match for multiple accounts, and so he banned, but then the IP checker changed the IP back to DaGuru's own IP, and it ended up to be all the IP checker's fault.. all just a big mistake, really... and DaGuru was unbanned. Then acidmelt went back into hiding again until the next time.

And now you have the whole story in its entirety.

I vaguely remeber this and I had thought this had been dealt with
I remember daguru going on a self imposed vacation and refusing to come back until something was done

And by the way hasnt this shit gone on for long enough
No offence but isnt it time to let this go

grow up and be the bigger man or men as the case maybe
let the admins look foolish and leave it at that
the insults are growing old and the arguement is as long winded as a crack whore begging for a fix

Not whining but an opinion My opinion to be exact
I have never particularily liked slave for his/her behaviour and quite frankly as a mod EVEN in HB should at least make an attempt to set an example for the rest of us. I see nothing meager about stating an opinion but then again look at who i am talking too. you whine louder then anyone on totse

Well, your opinion is wrong. For one thing, I've never seen Slave of the Beast "whine" once in all the time I've been here. As for him having fun while moderating, if every mod did the same thing, this would be a much better place than it is. He didn't give up his right to crack a few laughs just because he decided to help take care of this place. Get your facts straight please.


I vaguely remeber this and I had thought this had been dealt with I remember daguru going on a self imposed vacation and refusing to come back until something was done

And by the way hasnt this shit gone on for long enough No offence but isnt it time to let this go

grow up and be the bigger man or men as the case maybe let the admins look foolish and leave it at that the insults are growing old and the arguement is as long winded as a crack whore begging for a fixThis particular forum is called Bitch&Moan, in case you missed that. DaGuru, I, and others, who bitch about the administration here, are posting exactly on topic. We've had the invitation to bitch and moan offered to us, and we're going to take up the offer, if you don't mind terribly much. You see, there's pretty well no other subject in this forum which carries such an opportunity for successful expression/exploration - it's just something no one could really even begin to argue against, and I guess that's the real reason users here find it so frustrating. I can understand that.

Well, your opinion is wrong. For one thing, I've never seen Slave of the Beast "whine" once in all the time I've been here. As for him having fun while moderating, if every mod did the same thing, this would be a much better place than it is. He didn't give up his right to crack a few laughs just because he decided to help take care of this place. Get your facts straight please.

This particular forum is called Bitch&Moan, in case you missed that. DaGuru, I, and others, who bitch about the administration here, are posting exactly on topic. We've had the invitation to bitch and moan offered to us, and we're going to take up the offer, if you don't mind terribly much. You see, there's pretty well no other subject in this forum which carries such an opportunity for successful expression/exploration - it's just something no one could really even begin to argue against, and I guess that's the real reason users here find it so frustrating. I can understand that.



Wow you really are an asshole
I didnt know freedom of speech opinion included was wrong
You sir have changed my opinon of you not that it matters

Fuck it if both of you want to be fucking babies then so be it
It isnt as frustrating as you think
It is more annoying then anything else
two grown men spending all their ennergy bickering about something on a internet fucking forum is ridiculous


On the upside I wasnt calling slave a fucking whiner i was calling daguru a whiner . get your fucking facts straight

i think the part you quoted proves that

I love how you seem to think that you can do no wrong but everyone else does. you are just as fucking bad as daguru

slave maybe funny at times but he is still a poor excuse for a mod
My opinion my freedom of speech idiot


Good fucking day

You sir have changed my opinon of you not that it matters




Good fucking dayTo tell you the truth, johnplywd, I absolutely love it when the kids here call me asshole and idiot. Too bad you couldn't be a little more creative with the insults. :(

it's only fair to warn i was born with a set of horns

To tell you the truth, johnplywd, I absolutely love it when the kids here call me asshole and idiot. Too bad you couldn't be a little more creative with the insults. :(

What kiddiot are you speaking of
I have been around for quite awhile

Why would i waste time trying to figure out how to insult you or daguru

Not only would that be a complete waste of time but I would sink to your level

asshole is fitting as you only care about freedom of speech when it pertains to you and could careless when it is applied to others

and see even though i proved you wrong when you said i called slave a whiner nothing nadda
you cant even admit to being wrong

You are arrogant and quite frankly you are hypocrite in my opinion


keep crying about how the admins are keeping you down
what a fucking joke

What a great mod you'd make huh

What kiddiot are you speaking of
I have been around for quite awhile

Why would i waste time trying to figure out how to insult you or daguru

Not only would that be a complete waste of time but I would sink to your level

asshole is fitting as you only care about freedom of speech when it pertains to you and could careless when it is applied to others

and see even though i proved you wrong when you said i called slave a whiner nothing nadda
you cant even admit to being wrong

You are arrogant and quite frankly you are hypocrite in my opinion


keep crying about how the admins are keeping you down
what a fucking joke

What a great mod you'd make huh

Thank-you for that pearl of wisdom ate... I mean... johnplywd.. I mean... pill popper... oh shucks.. you know what I mean.

Yes, you caught me in an error. You had said DaGuru was whining, but I thought you were talking about SlaveoftheBeast. Freudian slip? In any event, neither do any whining at all, as they simply bring out the same questions because there's never any good answers for them.

And for your information, I just removed you from my Christmas list.

My opinion to be exact I have never particularily liked slave for his/her behaviour and quite frankly as a mod EVEN in HB should at least make an attempt to set an example for the rest of us

HB is for doing stupid shit. If you want me to stop doing stupid shit (trolling, etc...) in the forum intended for stupid shit, then you my as well criticize me for posting within the rules of any forum on Totse.

Why don't you complain about the fact I need to breathe oxygen whilst you're at it?

He didn't give up his right to crack a few laughs just because he decided to help take care of this place.

I think I've just found my next signature.

slave maybe funny at times but he is still a poor excuse for a mod

Within the context of which forum?

We've already covered HB...

HB is for doing stupid shit. If you want me to stop doing stupid shit (trolling, etc...) in the forum intended for stupid shit, then you my as well criticize me for posting within the rules of any forum on Totse.

The forum description says it all... "Half Baked is for the lols"

I vaguely remeber this and I had thought this had been dealt with
I remember daguru going on a self imposed vacation and refusing to come back until something was done


Not sure what you are talking about here, but you obviously have me confused with someone else. Please post any remarks I made about "refusing to come back", because at that point I probably would leave Totse to go have myself hospitalized for blackouts/loss of memory. That kind of tactic and empty threat is laughable at best....... the kind of thing a pouty little girl would say while having a hissy fit.

Pill Popper for you to even insinuate I would choose such an overly dramatic, attention whoring and ultimately futile tactic while dealing with all of this......just proves how ignorant you really are in all of this. Ignorant of this specific issue, Totse as a whole, life in general.....fuckin "A" dude, you really don't have a clue do you?



And by the way hasnt this shit gone on for long enough
No offence but isnt it time to let this go

grow up and be the bigger man or men as the case maybe
let the admins look foolish and leave it at that
the insults are growing old and the arguement is as long winded as a crack whore begging for a fix

Sorry bub, but the "same ole same ole" way of doing things around here ain't gonna work on me. The "lets sweep it under the carpet, it will eventually go away or people will forget about it" attempts aren't going to FIX this. Not then, not 6 months later. Not 10 months later as it is now. They've gone that route too many times, to too many people, and especially to TOO MANY MODS....which in turn has caused this place to go right down the shitter. Nope, nuh uh....this lump under the rug ain't going away, I can promise you on that note.

Its real simple.......fix the fucking problem, and I go back to normal/regular posting again while making the occasional more light hearted appearances in B & M instead of the intensity I'm unleashing now. Or we can just keep on keeping on.....and the senior staff can continue to be uncomfortable at the edge of their seats while so fuckin scared at what to do/say next that they won't even frequent B & M hardly any more.

You tell me, has my resolve or tenacity waivered in 10 months time?


I have been around for quite awhile

keep crying about how the admins are keeping you down

slave maybe funny at times but he is still a poor excuse for a mod

What a great mod you'd make huh

Gather round kiddies....cuz it's time for another enthralling classrom practical in Dissecting Sock Puppetry 101. There there now.....no reason to rush the stage, we just installed these wonderful Samsung HDTV's for you in the cheap seats, so now just stifle yourselves and whip out your note pads.....


Meta, Meta, Meta....listen dude, when you say you are going to IGNORE ME...please follow through with it and don't trifle with me under these feeble pseudonyms. My god, you really are one hapless fuckin pussy.

Lets ignore the incessant whining that STILL proliferates every one of Pill Popper's posts, and take a quick look at just the 4 lines above which pretty much sums up most of his takes/stances on all of this. (But rereading all of Pill Popper's posts in this thread knowing its really Meta will absolutely provide you with more than one chuckle :) )

-Been around for a while and is a Pill Popper. Check!

-Very very sympathetic to the senior staff's plight, almost pleading on their behalf saying "just stop it already". Check!

-Has a hard-on for Slave, and obviously been raked over the coals one too many times to cause him to keep droning on and on and on about how "awful" a mod he is. Notice how the focus is on his modship more than anything....not attacking so much his posting or personal life. Its a very PROFESSIONAL focus toward's Slave. Obviously a butthurt colleague. Check!

-And of course is mocking Spectral about his brief modship and desire to again mod in the future.

Meta your weak attempts at messing around with spacing and capitalization was a foolhardy attempt at pushing this ruse along. There are way too many characteristics of your posting style, as well as certain figures of speech, tone of indignancy, etc. There is no fuckin way on god's green earth Pill Popper is anyone else but you.

Protip to the amateurs: If you are going to try to bullshit a bullshitter......you better get up a littler earlier in the morning and put more thought and planning into it. Bring someone very intelligent or very demented that can pull the whole thing off. The old saying goes...the best liars are those that give the FEWEST details.

And that is usually where the wheels start coming off. As soon as you start getting into lenghty or preachy rants....eventually the real "you" comes out. Whether its writing style, similar verbiage, or almost identical agendas......unless you are the absolute best of the best you are only going to fall all over yourself in the end.

Let Meta here be your lesson for the day, and try a bit better next time....ok?

Man, only the dumbass threads get popular.

Meta, eh! I never would have guessed! That sly dog. Here he's banned so many other people for doin' it, and now he's running around like a sock puppet himself!

Just... wow! This is quite shocking to discover!

Thank-you for that pearl of wisdom ate... I mean... johnplywd.. I mean... pill popper... oh shucks.. you know what I mean.

Yes, you caught me in an error. You had said DaGuru was whining, but I thought you were talking about SlaveoftheBeast. Freudian slip? In any event, neither do any whining at all, as they simply bring out the same questions because there's never any good answers for them.

And for your information, I just removed you from my Christmas list.

i got rid of you before fuck the christmas shit
my retired account is 2-0-0-4 you dumbass

ask meta if you dont believe me

I nailed you in an error get that right

And i ask this again as both of you have yet to prove anything
where in the fuck did i whine

HB is for doing stupid shit. If you want me to stop doing stupid shit (trolling, etc...) in the forum intended for stupid shit, then you my as well criticize me for posting within the rules of any forum on Totse.




Why don't you complain about the fact I need to breathe oxygen whilst you're at it?


I think I've just found my next signature.


...


sorry buy you are a mod enough said, how bout you behave like one
set a proper example

i will never complain about someones right to live

i love daguru's arguments

dont get me wrong

when spectarl pokes in and claims someones freedom of speech is wrong

guess what thats where i have a real big problem

you should never be a mod unless you can get over your own arrogance

i love daguru's arguments



Is the rumor about the Mad Morticians true? Word around the campfire is you are currently in negotiations with P Diddy to do a remake of "Big Poppa" by The Notorious B.I.G.

All so a certain bassist can liven up those vocal chords, lean into the mic and harmonize the crowd with......

"I like it when they call me Pill Poppa........"

Indeed.

And I think Oddballz himself deserves an extra special kudos for all that he has contributed and discussed on this thread. At least he is coming to the table with SOMETHING.... whereas his colleagues either hide in the shadows completely like Zok and Acidmelt.....or Meta's style of peeking his head out every now and again to drop very simplistic nonsense only to run back to safe cover once his bullshit has been called out.

Even though I may not agree with many of Oddballz explanations and interpretations about things....he is at least showing the LEADERSHIP to stand up for what he believes in and act in an intellectual manner for the betterment of this website. Now only if we could get the other pissant senior staff to have just a fraction of his integrity, fortitude, and smarts.

Keep on keepin on Oddballz.....with all sincerity I salute everything you add and try to do for this place.


Agreed.

Just to add something: I believe what Oddballz is doing is defending his honour. I know this sounds kind of quaint and somewhat unintentionally romantic but it's how I truly feel.

It shows that he takes his mod-ship seriously. And he rises to the challenge when people question his moderating decisions. I truly respect him for this (even though I do not agree with a lot of things he says).

Is the rumor about the Mad Morticians true? Word around the campfire is you are currently in negotiations with P Diddy to do a remake of "Big Poppa" by The Notorious B.I.G.

All so a certain bassist can liven up those vocal chords, lean into the mic and harmonize the crowd with......

"I like it when they call me Pill Poppa........"

Dudez0r!

I clicked on your name trying to send a private email to you but couldn't find the function! could it be that the administration disabled this feature on you as to prevent the rest of us from communicating with you, thereby becoming "tainted"?

Listen punk, you need your ass punted from totse not for rule-breaking, but simply for being a proven and constant idiot. Lets keep try to keep this clear here, and not try to muddy the facts.

You should be banned just because your reaction would be so funny!

Dudez0r!

I clicked on your name trying to send a private email to you but couldn't find the function! could it be that the administration disabled this feature on you as to prevent the rest of us from communicating with you, thereby becoming "tainted"?

What they are trying to do is "corral" their suspects of exactly who could be emailing me what info. For a while there, they actually had a witch hunt going on behind the scenes....trying to figure out "who was leaking info to DaGuru". *GASP* :(

In their feeble minds if my email is only available to a smaller amount of people, they'll be able to figure out who is saying what to me. The only problem is, there are MULTIPLE Mr. X's behind the scenes.......and obviously with my savy and intellectual abilities, I sure as fuck ain't gonna expose any of my sources. And of course that would be assuming I even knew who these sources were to begin with.

Yeah WAN, its just another failed tactic by some very stupid and scared people trying their damndest to come up with an answer for me in all of this. Since I've run them out of B & M for good, and their esteems are forever tainted at this point.....they gotta try something, right?

What they are trying to do is "corral" their suspects of exactly who could be emailing me what info. For a while there, they actually had a witch hunt going on behind the scenes....trying to figure out "who was leaking info to DaGuru". *GASP* :(

In their feeble minds if my email is only available to a smaller amount of people, they'll be able to figure out who is saying what to me. The only problem is, there are MULTIPLE Mr. X's behind the scenes.......and obviously with my savy and intellectual abilities, I sure as fuck ain't gonna expose any of my sources. And of course that would be assuming I even knew who these sources were to begin with.

Yeah WAN, its just another failed tactic by some very stupid and scared people trying their damndest to come up with an answer for me in all of this. Since I've run them out of B & M for good, and their esteems are forever tainted at this point.....they gotta try something, right?

omgggggggggggg

Are you serious? They actually did that? That is so fucking unbelievably sad and pathetic that I am now stunned into incoherency...omg....they must REALLY fear you, guru.

omgggggggggggg

Are you serious? They actually did that? That is so fucking unbelievably sad and pathetic that I am now stunned into incoherency...omg....they must REALLY fear you, guru.

Anyways, would it be ok for me to contact you in private? i would love to be able to talk to you in private...thanks :)

Just so ya know.....the email you got at about the same time stamp as this reply, that's me. :) Fuck all those haters and players trying to spam you with crap. Now go edit out your post to get rid of your addy to prevent any future nefarious twits from fuckin with ya.......

Wait a cotton-pickin' minute here... just so I understand this... what I'm hearing here is that a user's send-email link can be blocked in a user's control panel by management so that, even if they enable it, it will not appear there?? I would have thought this was not even possible with the current software or mod addons...

Wait a cotton-pickin' minute here... just so I understand this... what I'm hearing here is that a user's send-email link can be blocked in a user's control panel by management so that, even if they enable it, it will not appear there?? I would have thought this was not even possible with the current software or mod addons...

I actually would believe the same -- I've seen no option to change a user's email visibility other than the option in the user's User CP. Then again, I don't have access to the more powerful site administrative tools -- I just have the moderation tools.

DaGuru -- are you sure you didn't accidentally forget to make it accessible? It's not that hard to forget to click "Save Changes" on the page.

Oh, and I'm still waiting on a response for that one infraction. Assuming I receive one, I still intend to report back.

DaGuru -- are you sure you didn't accidentally forget to make it accessible? It's not that hard to forget to click "Save Changes" on the page.

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that users have the ability to block their emails from mods and administrators? I thought there was some kind of requisite to have a working email, like in the registration process? How/why are you saying I have some kind of ability to alter or change my email capabilities?

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here. Are you saying that users have the ability to block their emails from mods and administrators? I thought there was some kind of requisite to have a working email, like in the registration process? How/why are you saying I have some kind of ability to alter or change my email capabilities?

In the User CP, there's a page called Edit Options. If you go down, there are places where you can make your email available to Users and Administrators -- or you can leave those unchecked, and you then can't receive email through Totse's server (except for registration email and -- if you leave the remaining item checked -- friendship requests).

Technically, even if you disable allow email from administrators there is still a way for supermods and admins to get your email address and contact you, but it takes more work and is only likely to happen if something drastic is going on.

In the User CP, there's a page called Edit Options. If you go down, there are places where you can make your email available to Users and Administrators -- or you can leave those unchecked, and you then can't receive email through Totse's server (except for registration email and -- if you leave the remaining item checked -- friendship requests).

Technically, even if you disable allow email from administrators there is still a way for supermods and admins to get your email address and contact you, but it takes more work and is only likely to happen if something drastic is going on.

I'm on the page you've directed me to, and admittedly have seen something similar to this before. Check that, a much more scaled down version of this. I say this because I believe I had to change the posts per page to 40 myself, as well as fix to an appropriate time zone as well.

But there is a whole SHITLOAD of stuff I've never seen before.....nor even understand now after I've seen it. What in the hell is "allow Vcard download", because that box is UNchecked (and still remains so) when I first went on this page?

Below that is what I believe you are referring me to. 3 categories......."receive email from admins", "receive email from members" (ding, ding, ding....we have a winna!), and "receive friendship request email". You guessed it, all of those boxes WERE checked except for "receive from members", which I have now checked.

So at this point in my mind a couple of questions beg to be asked. What is the default setting to that particular box, or section as a whole? Is it possible for someone else like an admin to change any of those settings? Am I crazy in the sense there was a lesser version of this page, and this was some kind of update/enhancement during an upgrade that I've never witnessed before?

I myself am most curious as to why if 2 boxes were checked in the whole "receive email" section why the third wouldn't be. It seems to me a default would be either all 3 were checked, or all 3 were unchecked......not the 2/1 mixture. Or is this just another one of them "weird shit happens" scenarios, and we'll never figure it out?

What in the hell is "allow Vcard download", because that box is UNchecked (and still remains so) when I first went on this page?VCards are like business cards, and they can be downloaded and then loaded into applications such as VCalendar.

The default setting for "Receive E-mail from Other Members" in the messaging and notification options is ON, so somehow it must have got turned off somewhere along the way. *X-Files music starts playing*

VCards are like business cards, and they can be downloaded and then loaded into applications such as VCalendar.

The default setting for "Receive E-mail from Other Members" in the messaging and notification options is ON, so somehow it must have got turned off somewhere along the way. *X-Files music starts playing*

Vcards, Vcalendar......I still don't know or understand what any of that is. But please, don't anyone try to tell me, I tend to get a headache when my brain tries to wrap around too much of all this techy stuff.

But yeah it IS quite intriguing and mysterious how my box got unchecked all by its lonesome. Most intriguing indeed. There seems to be all kinds of "gee whiz, that is strange" issues with my account.

First it was the...."OMGZ, his IP # is changing hourly!!!!1!1!!" fiasco, and now this.

Oddballz, could you take this problem to our.....errrrr "honorable?" admins, and hopefully they can work as diligently on this mystery as they do everything else around here? Or did Acidmelt have someone tell him a joke while taking a sip of eggnog, and after being rushed to the emergency ward he now has to have complete quarrantine while his nasal passage heals from the lactose scarring his insides? That should be worth about a 6 month excuse for a vacation from Totse right there, shouldn't it?

Vcards, Vcalendar......I still don't know or understand what any of that is. But please, don't anyone try to tell me, I tend to get a headache when my brain tries to wrap around too much of all this techy stuff.

But yeah it IS quite intriguing and mysterious how my box got unchecked all by its lonesome. Most intriguing indeed. There seems to be all kinds of "gee whiz, that is strange" issues with my account.

First it was the...."OMGZ, his IP # is changing hourly!!!!1!1!!" fiasco, and now this.

Oddballz, could you take this problem to our.....errrrr "honorable?" admins, and hopefully they can work as diligently on this mystery as they do everything else around here? Or did Acidmelt have someone tell him a joke while taking a sip of eggnog, and after being rushed to the emergency ward he now has to have complete quarrantine while his nasal passage heals from the lactose scarring his insides? That should be worth about a 6 month excuse for a vacation from Totse right there, shouldn't it?

I can tell you one thing -- supermods and forum admins can't change the settings in your profile. Jeff left that permission turned off for everyone but himself.

Normally, the default for all three check-boxes is on, as SpectraL noted. I honestly don't know how it'd get changed unless you accidentally clicked it. In any case, you've gotten it sorted out now, so :D.

I can tell you one thing -- supermods and forum admins can't change the settings in your profile. Jeff left that permission turned off for everyone but himself.

Normally, the default for all three check-boxes is on, as SpectraL noted. I honestly don't know how it'd get changed unless you accidentally clicked it. In any case, you've gotten it sorted out now, so :D.Just a wild guess, but if a user is permanently banned, or even just banned, perhaps VBul removes the check from the box to prevent contact to the user from other users. Not sure. Would take some testing to find out for sure... hold on... youwhooo, acidmelt?!? Where are you when I need you, you wicked Chancellor, you!!

Just a wild guess, but if a user is permanently banned, or even just banned, perhaps VBul removes the check from the box to prevent contact to the user from other users. Not sure. Would take some testing to find out for sure... hold on... youwhooo, acidmelt?!? Where are you when I need you, you wicked Chancellor, you!!

AFAIK, it doesn't change the profile other than changing the user group to Exiled. I don't know if that stops contacting the user or not -- I imagine that the instant messenger addresses are still visible, and the send email to user function is probably still there too. I also haven't tried it.

AFAIK, it doesn't change the profile other than changing the user group to Exiled. I don't know if that stops contacting the user or not -- I imagine that the instant messenger addresses are still visible, and the send email to user function is probably still there too. I also haven't tried it.I just checked the profiles on about 5 or 6 permanently banned accounts... I happen to know a few off by heart... and the "send to user" e-mail link is still there. Well... guess that puts us right back at square one, don't it, with acidmelt, zok or metaphysicist as the most likely culprit... unless YOU.. youuuuuu... :eek:

*-SpectraL dives out glass window from 26th-story office cubicle, bug-eyed and arms failing wildly all the way down*