Here are some interesting videos on the origins of religion, the dawn of civilization and the role of drug use in it all. Some may contain conflicting information; decide for yourself what to make of it all:


The Pharmacratic Inquisition (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154&q=christianity+mushrooms)

Sun of God? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs&feature=related)


The Origins of Religion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGbJpGlwjyU)


Mushroom Jesus Teonanacatl Maria Sabina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R4l9AdEf-w)


why was Jesus a magic mushroom? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCXsAAv-fk&feature=related)

John Allegro Vs Gordon Wasson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjmEHTCwx8&feature=related)

Terence McKenna on his Stoned Ape Theory (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4756/Terence_Mckenna__Stoned_Ape_Theory___Part_1_2/)

Bread of Life Christ Mushroom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqBtdQUCKvw)

Enjoy!

There are many more videos on this subject out there. Feel free to post more.

New videos:

DMT the Spirit Molecule Tryptamine of Jesus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIWKmlvtzBQ&feature=related)

Mushrooms and Spirituality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-M5Iu5FpY&feature=related)

Ingesting Magic Mushrooms has Long Lasting Positive Effects! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RisxckQlzc&feature=related)

Mushroom Philosophy Presents "My Religion" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yttbnyE4_TA)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLZMC3VE9NQ)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NagGDIH0jcs&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VGhwKCFB2w&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbY7jeDj-hg&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3ndZsQqRM&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYs_prYxybo&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKv77UHzwgg&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_nvMes7_Zo&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wPMIzPnzY&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXUnknhZfI&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uD1OQKDFUc&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYPCTLRyp1Y&feature=related)

Another good one with lots of info:

Psilocybin Mushroom research by Johns Hokins Medicine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6D-bgfL4ns&feature=related)

Another with no mushroom info:

True Origin Of The Christian Myth: Paganism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HoixOCZWY&feature=related)

Here's another one that is particularly interesting:

Manna Means Mushroom--Proof is the Worms! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i2vAKmbuvY&feature=related)

Here's another one - this time, not created by a handicapped hippie:

secret of magic mushroom and moses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjt9qE4kx0&feature=related)

McKenna on psilocybin and language development:


Language of Psilocybin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5aJuOvRcU&feature=related)

This is particularly interesting considering the conclusions of Julian Jaynes about the role of language in consciousness formation - not to mention hallucinations.

More on that in this thread (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2180908). But please mind the tolls. :p

WHO ARE WE? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBq3sTN-B9Y&feature=related)

Another one:

Manna - psilocybin mushroom documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnYT7cheob0&feature=related)

Following the general theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zSRAjjjE8

That doesn't follow the general theme. It belongs in another forum.

Please only post videos about the origins of religion, mushrooms, and the dawn of civilization.

That doesn't follow the general theme. It belongs in another forum.

Please only post videos about the origins of religion, mushrooms, and the dawn of civilization.

Next time, please consolidate your posts into one using the 'edit' function.

Interesting stuff, though. Thanks.

shrooms!

Next time, please consolidate your posts into one using the 'edit' function.

Interesting stuff, though. Thanks.

Don't know why I didn't think of that, but thanks. Any new videos I come across will be edited into the OP from this point on.

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

It would depend on what this person considers real.

If you are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

If you are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

It is your philosophy Obbe, and it is quite simple.

The only thing a person can know is they exist, or I AM.

You puked this idea on here for a year. Derailed many a thread with it, and regressed back to this childish notion, anytime your ass was handed to you in an argument.

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So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

It is your philosophy Obbe, and it is quite simple.

This is your own: Be a dick to everyone who finds reason where I do not.

So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Real hallucinations are not to be had. :(

only the mind hallucinates

only the mind hallucinates

Do animals hallucinate, rizzo?

Do animals hallucinate, rizzo?

this is a trick question

McKenna on psilocybin and language development:


Language of Psilocybin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5aJuOvRcU&feature=related)

This is particularly interesting considering the conclusions of Julian Jaynes about the role of language in consciousness formation - not to mention hallucinations.

More on that in this thread (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2180908). But please mind the tolls. :p

This seems relevent, I don't remember if he goes into ethneogens or not (he probably does):
Huxley on Language (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8xjOdf23DI)

this is a trick question

In what way?

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations.

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Tell us what you meant for the past year, asserting all that can be known is I AM, making everything else an illusion.

EDIT:

"And really, is there an objective reality?"

"Certainly, but are you able to verify what is real and not?"

"You made it quite clear that you believe the monitor is objectively real based on your subjective perception of it existing. Unfortunately that does not mean you have confirmed it does."

These nuggets and more found here http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2138683&page=2

That is just one random post I found by clicking on your show all post, and going to the last page. I can post A TON more of the SAME BULLSHIT idea you have been puking on here for the past year, if you like.

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.

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Why concern yourself with it?

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.
An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

I agree, which is why I am not arguing with his OP, could care less.

I asked a simple question regarding his apparent hypocrisy and contradiction, he has yet to answer beyond stamping his foot, calling me a troll, and taking his ball and going home.

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

Just curious.

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already? It would depend on what this person considers real. Ifyou are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.
It appears that part of what is being said here is that what one considers to be the “real world” can be a vastly dfferent experience than what one would consider the “otherworld”. Assuming that the so called “real world” is an illusion, the capability for there to be an hallucination within The Hallucination would not only follow suit, but would seem to be a highly probable outcome.

One must remember the story of the drinking gorilla and the five dancing donkeys.

The morrel of which being:

Looks can be deceiving.

So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.Because it’s all an illusion.
Or as Obbe said:
I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

Nothing in this thread suggests that he doesn’t believe what he has stated.

If he does believe it’s all an illusion (including time), than spenng his illusion one way or another way can only be considered wasted by Obbe.

Because it’s all an illusion.
Or as Obbe said:


That's preciesly the point!

It's tantamount to insisting something is "hot" and not "cold" in a world where everything has the temperature of 85 Degrees.

That's preciesly the point!

It's tantamount to insisting something is "hot" and not "cold" in a world where everything has the temperature of 85 Degrees.

So you're saying that it is unnecssary to say that there is a that which hallucinates and that this that can have hallucinations within the original hallucination. Because the hallucination can be viewed to be the structure of reality. Meaning hallucinations are in fact not hallucinations but instead the necessary flow that existence must follow. It is like a person exlaiming that it is cold (an illusion) when it is realy a pseudo-illusion at 85 degrees [tricking you into thiking it is an illusion? wouldn't that be another illusion?]. It is like a person exlaming that it is hot (Real) when this part of experience is not the truth of it, while still being a necessary component to the process. Meaning that this hallucination is meant to be experienced and it has the spark of the essence of the original hallucination, however this experience is like looking at the reflection of the glory of the original hallucination within the flowing stream.

^ Meandering fluff that even ends up contradicting what was said through out this thread (For example, You cannot claim that everything is an illusion only to then claim that something is "the necessary flow that existence must follow").


What I'm saying, sans the obscurantist bullshit, is this:

If everything is an illusion it makes little sense to insist calling something a hallucination; much like if everything has the same temperature it makes little sense to insist something (and not everything) is cold instead of hot.

Dude, you guys are great. I love you guys. I'd totally hug you all if we weren't separated by hundreds of miles and intense disagreements.

Jesus loves you all, too. Tripping was a lot of fun back in the day, too. Breathing walls, a sense of oneness, voices, visuals...I wouldn't have wasted my time with it though if I knew meditation produces the same effects but to MUCH greater amplitude and can be done with a daily frequency. The meditation wave is stronger than the mushroom wave, the acid wave, even the salvia wave, and, mind-blowingly unbelievable: stronger than the DMT wave.

God bless you, Christ save you, I love you. Peace.

Dude, you guys are great. I love you guys. I'd totally hug you all if we weren't separated by hundreds of miles and intense disagreements.

Jesus loves you all, too. Tripping was a lot of fun back in the day, too. Breathing walls, a sense of oneness, voices, visuals...I wouldn't have wasted my time with it though if I knew meditation produces the same effects but to MUCH greater amplitude and can be done with a daily frequency. The meditation wave is stronger than the mushroom wave, the acid wave, even the salvia wave, and, mind-blowingly unbelievable: stronger than the DMT wave.

God bless you, Christ save you, I love you. Peace.

everything rests on personal power

^ Meandering fluff that even ends up contradicting what was said through out this thread (For example, You cannot claim that everything is an illusion only to then claim that something is "the necessary flow that existence must follow").

sure I can

What I'm saying, sans the obscurantist bullshit, is this:

That sentence was too obscure for me to totally comprehend.

If everything is an illusion it makes little sense to insist calling something a hallucination; much like if everything has the same temperature it makes little sense to insist something (and not everything) is cold instead of hot.

If everything as we think we know it is a Veridical Hallucination, or a distortion of the Truth, upon further reflection, a higher, less distroted level of experience can be attained.

sure I can

Well yes, you can claim it... it would just be stupid since you're talking about a "reality" already precluded by the statement "everything is an illusion".



That sentence was too obscure for me to totally comprehend.That doesn't surprise me.



If everything as we think we know it is a Veridical Hallucination, or a distortion of the Truth, upon further reflection, a higher, less distroted level of experience can be attained.

That doesn't change, refute or even add to anything I said. That you claim we can reach a higher truth doesn't change the fact that there would be no way of differentiating between temperature states (i.e. hot and cold) if everything was the same temperature. I'm assuming that's why you chose to reply the way you did; with more obscurantist nonsense.

Well yes, you can claim it... it would just be stupid since you're talking about a "reality" already precluded by the statement "everything is an illusion".


That doesn't surprise me.




That doesn't change, refute or even add to anything I said. That you claim we can reach a higher truth doesn't change the fact that there would be no way of differentiating between temperature states (i.e. hot and cold) if everything was the same temperature. I'm assuming that's why you chose to reply the way you did; with more obscurantist nonsense.

Think of it as a Veridical Hallucination
I don't know if that is what obbe believes, but that is the way I understand it.
Maybe read over the posts again, and point out an area of obscurity. I'll try to spread some light upon it.

Why the fuck would I think about it that way and what would that accomplish? What would that change? The problem is still there:

If everything is the same temperature then how are you to differentiate between hot and cold? Calling it a fancy name doesn't help.

Why the fuck would I think about it that way and what would that accomplish? What would that change?

To allow yourself the enjoyment of a clearer understanding.
You could point out mudied areas.
I could maybe shed some light upon them.


The problem is still there:

If everything is the same temperature then how are you to differentiate between hot and cold? Calling it a fancy name doesn't help.
If everything were the same temperature there would be neither a hot nor cold.

To allow yourself the enjoyment of a clearer understanding.
You could point out mudied areas.
I could maybe shed some light upon them.


If everything were the same temperature there would be neither a hot nor cold.

if there's no one to experience temperature it's neither hot nor cold

To allow yourself the enjoyment of a clearer understanding.
You could point out mudied areas.
I could maybe shed some light upon them.

What clearer understanding? That's the whole point! How does "thinking of it as Veridical Hallucination" offer clearer understanding? The only thing that that does, as far as I can see, is continue to ignore the point:

If everything is the same temperature then how are you to differentiate between hot and cold? Calling it a fancy name doesn't help.


If everything were the same temperature there would be neither a hot nor cold.

Well, actually, there could be "hot" or "cold" if we decide that "hot", for example, means anything equal or greater than 85 Degrees. What there wouldn't be is a distinction between hot or cold or a case where they are distinct and both exist at the same time... and that is the exact point being made here:

If everything is an illusion you cannot then differentiate between illusions and non-illusions. Or you can, but you end up looking foolish.

What clearer understanding? That's the whole point! How does "thinking of it as Veridical Hallucination" offer clearer understanding? The only thing that that does, as far as I can see, is continue to ignore the point:

If everything is the same temperature then how are you to differentiate between hot and cold? Calling it a fancy name doesn't help.

And if you would read the obscurantists posts, you would realize why your question is irrelevant.

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

My beliefs are not static, and can change. You misinterpret them with every feeble attempt to mock them. There is no reason I should not be interested in this thread.

Tell us what you meant for the past year, asserting all that can be known is I AM, making everything else an illusion.

Us? Are you a multiple?

I no longer believe I AM can be known, but believe it is more like the most basic assumption. I don't know anything.

I often called reality an illusion to get others to think about it. There really are no "illusions", just as there is no "truth". There only is what there is, "illusions/hallucinations" and "truth" are creations.

If everything is the same temperature then how are you to differentiate between hot and cold?

Lets cut out the metaphors and reword this:

"If everything is reality, then how are you to differentiate between truth and illusion?"

"Truth" and "illusion" are just creations.

Lets cut out the metaphors and reword this:

"If everything is reality, then how are you to differentiate between truth and illusion?"

"Truth" and "illusion" are just creations.

illusion is the idea of illusion itself

or that there is anything outside of truth

really the only illusion is the illusion of separation

So... a magic mushroom aka jesus travelled to india and studied in the vedic schools as recorded in the Vedas ( held in the library of the king of Puri).

Lets cut out the metaphors and reword this:

"If everything is reality, then how are you to differentiate between truth and illusion?"

"Truth" and "illusion" are just creations.

You're not representing the analogy accurately.

You said everything is an illusion, which is tantamount to everything being the same temperature. If everything is an illusion then to insist something is a hallucination is either meaningless - in that everything would be a hallucination - or differentiating between that which is a hallucination/illusion and that which is not - which contradicts the premise that everything is an illusion.

And if you would read the obscurantists posts, you would realize why your question is irrelevant.

How could I realize that when I've already shown that it's not only relevant, but utterly refutes your nonsense?

How could I realize that when I've already shown that it's not only relevant, but utterly refutes your nonsense?

sure you can claim that, but considering that this is your conclusion:


If everything is an illusion you cannot then differentiate between illusions and non-illusions. Or you can, but you end up looking foolish.

It becomes clear you did not understand what has been said.

I have said that it only appears to be an illusion when I said it is part of the structure of reality. Then I explained that there are different levels of distortion that are experienced. There is a Truth, and all experiences are distortions of it. Except for the ultimate experience where all distortions are happening and completed simultaneously, as One. Since there is an Eternal Truth, so to speak, and all so called illusions are distortions of the Eternal Truth, the temperature would always be 85 degrees, yet the temperature is not always perceived that way. All miss-perceptions about the temperature are within/of/from the Eternal Truth, yet forever this Truth remains unsullied.

It becomes clear you did not understand what has been said.

No, I understand it just fine. I'm just also capable of differentiating between what you said - which is completely fucking worthless here- and what Obbe said, the source of the discussion.

Obbe, not you, said everything was an illusion and then started differentiating between reality and hallucinations. That's the discussion. The things you concoct in that imaginative brain of yours have nothing to do with that point, unless you happen to be Obbe's emissar.

No, I understand it just fine. I'm just also capable of differentiating between what you said - which is completely fucking worthless here- and what Obbe said, the source of the discussion.

Obbe, not you, said everything was an illusion and then started differentiating between reality and hallucinations. That's the discussion. The things you concoct in that imaginative brain of yours have nothing to do with that point, unless you happen to be Obbe's emissar.

I was giving an interpretation of what obbe may have been saying.

Has He not said before something along the lines of, "I AM"
?

I was giving an interpretation of what obbe may have been saying.

I imagined as much. We can both speculate on what Obbe may have been saying. However I don't have to bend what I do know (i.e. what Obbe said explicitly and what follows logically from that) to speculation.



Has He not said before something along the lines of, "I AM"
?

In this very thread:

"I no longer believe I AM can be known,"

I don't know anything.

Finally something we can agree on.

Was reading something the other day and it reminded me of this thread:

If you want to sort good apples from bad apples, then you need a criterion. But how do you know that the criterion correctly classes the good apples as good and the bad apples ad bad? It seems you could only know the criterion is accurate if you already know which apples are good and which are bad. But if you know that, you do not need the criterion!

Was reading something the other day and it reminded me of this thread:

I always figured that was the basis of withholding judgment.

You're not representing the analogy accurately.

No, I am telling you what I meant in the first place.

Reality is not an illusion rust. Reality is reality. "Real" and "not-real" are made-up, creations.

Finally something we can agree on.

"Finally"?

Pay more attention.

No, I am telling you what I meant in the first place.

Reality is not an illusion rust. Reality is reality. "Real" and "not-real" are made-up, creations.

I'm glad we both agree you were wrong.

I'm glad we both agree you were wrong.

There is no "wrong". Right and wrong are made up.

Stop contradicting yourself.

Stop telling me what to do rust.

There's a new video in the OP, for all interested.

Stop telling me what to do rust

Okay, continue contradicting yourself if you want.

Truth is a lie rust. It doesn't matter if I contradict myself.

That neither refutes, adds to, or relates to what I said. Congratulations.

I pretend it does and it doesn't matter if it doesn't. Congratulations on pretending it does matter.

You want me to put you on ignore again, don't you? Ha! So obvious. :D

There is no "wrong". Right and wrong are made up.

Quoted again for sheer ignorance.

Quoted again for sheer ignorance.

I don't know anything

You think I'm "wrong"? I think you're creating any reasons you have as to why.

You want me to put you on ignore again, don't you? Ha! So obvious. :D

I don't give a shit what you do.

I don't give a shit what you do.

Stop pretending that you don't.

Stop pretending that you don't.

I'll pretend whatever I want to, just like you will.

Pretending to ignore me?

I'll pretend whatever I want to

I'm glad we agree you only pretend to think there is no objective reality.

Thanks!

I'm glad we agree you only pretend to think there is no objective reality.

Thanks!

You only pretend you are glad, you only pretend we agree, you only pretend to be grateful.

It doesn't matter.

I accept your apology.

You just can't ignore me. :D

What would I be apologizing for? Wasting your time?? Time you could spend nipping and picking at someone else?

Stop pretending you weren't apologizing.

Eat mushrooms rust. Maybe then you'll do some apologizing.

Not eating them makes as much sense.

And please, stop pretending I need to apologize.


So easy.

I'll pretend whatever I want to. Eat some mushrooms rust.

I got no reason to eat them: not eating them makes as much sense.

I got no reason to eat them: not eating them makes as much sense.

"He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason"

A fitting quote given I'm emulating Obbe's argument in this thread. Thank you.

Of course there's no reason to eat them. There's also no reason not to. There's no reason you have to shit all over my threads as well.

Again, there's also no reason not to. Maybe you think you're trying to get a mod to lock it again. But that's just created to justify being an asshole.

You can be an asshole. And I will tell you to eat some mushrooms. But there's no reason for any of it.

I'm glad we both agree Rizzo's quote fits your utter nonsense well.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BiggusNigeus/shut_the_fuck_up_small.gif

I'm glad we both agree Rizzo's quote fits your utter nonsense well.

I think it would fit anyone's attempt to understand reality quite well.

Here is an abc news report on magic mushrooms and spirituality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-M5Iu5FpY&feature=related).

They discuss the mushrooms ability to create a "universal mystical experience" in those who eat them. Mystical experience defined here as feeling as though one is communicating with something more then themselves.

I think it would fit anyone's attempt to understand reality quite well.

Yet he chose my statement, which was emulating your idiotic position. How telling!

It doesn't matter who's statement rizzo chose. The quote fits anyone's attempt to understand reality quite well. Reasons are made-up.

Stop pretending that the statement he chose doesn't matter.

Keep trolling! Any reason it would matter is made-up.

The person who created a whole thread where he deliberately wouldn't accept any answer to his question, is calling me a troll? You really are fucking stupid!

The person who created a whole thread where he deliberately wouldn't accept any answer to his question, is calling me a troll? You really are fucking stupid!

What do you mean by accept? I accept that you have your reasons for not believing in God. I accept that reasons are made-up, and to think one reason is better then another is meaningless.

I have my own reasons for believing what I do. I'm sure you have reasons for trolling this thread, calling me names.
They're made-up.

Nice dodge, fuck face. You created a thread requesting an answer when you knew you wouldn't accept any response as an actual answer.

Also, stop pretending I'm a troll that is calling you names.

Nice dodge, fuck face. You created a thread requesting an answer when you knew you wouldn't accept any response as an actual answer.

Also, stop pretending I'm a troll that is calling you names.

Again, what do you mean by accept, cum slut?

Did you expect Brokeprophet to accept any reasons for believing in God and religion in his thread which I am copying?

I'm not going to waste my time any further. It should be obvious by now to anyone with half a brain, that you're full of shit.

I'm happy with that. :)

If you've decided you're going to waste your time after all, please do it in the thread you keep talking about. I am not going to encourage your trolling of this thread any further.

Again, what do you mean by accept, cum slut?

Accept: to take or receive.

Thus: You created a thread requesting an answer when you knew you wouldn't take or receive any response as an actual answer. The word "consider" is also appropriate.

Any more dodging?

P.S. The hilarity if you wanting me to explain the meaning of a word without an objective system, should be apparent here as well.

Thus: You created a thread requesting an answer when you knew you wouldn't take or receive any response as an actual answer. The word "consider" is also appropriate.

Then I am afraid you are mistaken. I have received your reasoning and others in this thread as actual answers. I have considered these reasons.

I have concluded reasoning is made-up, and to believe reasoning A is "better" then reasoning B is meaningless.

I still maintain my own made-up reasons for believing in God.

Any more dodging?

P.S. The hilarity if you wanting me to explain the meaning of a word without an objective system, should be apparent here as well.

I wanted you to explain what you meant by the word. For instance, you might have meant "accept you reasoning" as "replace my reasoning with your own".

Then I am afraid you are mistaken. I have received your reasoning and others in this thread as actual answers. I have considered these reasons.

I'm not mistaken. Saying that reasoning is made up precludes any possible fulfillment of the request. They would be using made up reasoning, thus not actually fulfilled the request.

That explains why you claimed, in that very thread, that there were no good reasons!


I wanted you to explain what you meant by the word. For instance, you might have meant "accept you reasoning" as "replace my reasoning with your own".

I know what you wanted, idiot. How do you pretend I do that? Did we just happened to coincidentally pretend that the alphabet means the same thing to both of us?

I'm not mistaken. Saying that reasoning is made up precludes any possible fulfillment of the request. They would be using made up reasoning, thus not actually fulfilled the request.

Says who? The language God, rust? Several people fulfilled the request throughout that thread.

That doesn't make their reasoning any less made-up, or any "better" then my own.

That explains why you claimed, in that very thread, that there were no good reasons!

"Good" is as much a creation as reasons are.

I know what you wanted, idiot. How do you pretend I do that? Did we just happened to coincidentally pretend that the alphabet means the same thing to both of us?

Do you think there is actually some logical reason?

Take your argument to the thread it belongs in.

Says who? The language God, rust? Several people fulfilled the request throughout this thread.

Pray tell then how did they fulfill a request for a good reason when they can't even show it's a good reason to begin with?



"Good" is as much a creation as reasons are.If we accept that as true, all the more reason you're a complete fucking moron:

"There is no reason to believe the bible is any more accurate then anything else."


Do you think there is actually some logical reason?Stop evading the question. How am I supposed to answer your request to explain my word choice?

P.S. Stop pretending this argument doesn't belong in this thread.

Pray tell then how did they fulfill a request for a good reason when they can't even show it's a good reason to begin with?

They have fulfilled everything I have requested. They don't need to convince me that it's not made-up.

Stop pretending this argument doesn't belong in this thread.

I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.

They have fulfilled everything I have requested. They don't need to convince me that it's not made-up.

You requested a good reason. Show me where they showed a good reason.


I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.


And again: Stop evading the question. How am I supposed to answer your request to explain my word choice?

You requested a good reason. Show me where they showed a good reason.

You yourself provided me with your good reason. I don't have to agree with it. Reasons, good and bad, are made-up, whether I agree with them or not.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.

I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.

And again: Stop evading the question. How am I supposed to answer your request to explain my word choice?

However you like.

You yourself provided me with your good reason. I don't have to agree with it. Reasons, good and bad, are made-up, whether I agree with them or not.

I provided with what I thought was a good reason. That wasn't your request. Which explains why you kept maintaining there were none.

I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.


However you like.

However I like what? "fhfshFHShZDHzdgAGafga" fulfills your request?

I provided with what I thought was a good reason. That wasn't your request. Which explains why you kept maintaining there were none.

Anything that explains anything is made-up. You provided what you thought was a good reason, and that's all I requested. I never said I would replace my own reasoning with another persons.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.

I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.

However I like what? "fhfshFHShZDHzdgAGafga" fulfills your request?

If you think that explains it. There's no reason I need to understand you.

Here is another news report on the Johns Hopkins study:

Ingesting Magic Mushrooms has Long Lasting Positive Effects! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RisxckQlzc&feature=related)

"At two months, the individuals rated the experience as having ... spiritual significance ... and sustained positive changes in behavior."

- Johns Hopkins Psilocybin Study

Anything that explains anything is made-up. You provided what you thought was a good reason, and that's all I requested. I never said I would replace my own reasoning with another persons.

Liar. At no point in time did your request state "Provide me with what you think isa good reason". In fact, you resisted my assertion that the lack of evidence was a good reason through out the thread.



I'm glad you agree reasons are made-up.


Stop pretending I agreed with you.


If you think that explains it. There's no reason I need to understand you.

Shshshsghs rsrghs sdfgsdrgh sghaga

Liar. At no point in time did your request state "Provide me with what you think isa good reason". In fact, you resisted my assertion that the lack of evidence was a good reason through out the thread.

I don't care if you think I am a liar. You have your made-up reasons for beliveing what you do, and I have mine.

I think that you and others fulfilled my request in that thread. If you disagree, tough.

I am glad you agree reasons are made-up, rust.

I think that you and others fulfilled my request in that thread. If you disagree, tough.

You think that now, however you spent the whole thread disagreeing with me that my reason was a good reason.

Just another example of your immense stupidity. Much like this other one, which you ignored a few posts back:

"There is no reason to believe the bible is any more accurate then anything else."


I am glad you agree reasons are made-up, rust.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.


P.S. Please respond to "Shshshsghs rsrghs sdfgsdrgh sghaga "...

You think that now, however you spent the whole thread disagreeing with me that my reason was a good reason.

Just another example of your immense stupidity. Much like this other one, which you ignored a few posts back:

"There is no reason to believe the bible is any more accurate then anything else."

Minds and moods can change rust. I don't think that's stupid at all, quite the opposite.

There are reasons to believe the bible is more accurate then other things. But I don't have any myself.

What is a good reason for you to not believe in God, isn't for me, also.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.

Glad you agree that reasons are made-up.

P.S. Please respond to "Shshshsghs rsrghs sdfgsdrgh sghaga "...

Stop pretending there's any reason I need to. Stop pretending there's any reason I need to understand you.

Minds and moods can change rust. I don't think that's stupid at all, quite the opposite.

Stop pretending you aren't stupid.

Glad you agree that reasons are made-up.

Stop pretending I agreed with you.



Stop pretending there's any reason I need to. Stop pretending there's any reason I need to understand you.

Stop pretending there isn't a reason to respond. Stop pretending you don't need to understand me.


This is fun!

Stop pretending you aren't stupid.



Stop pretending I agreed with you.




Stop pretending there isn't a reason to respond. Stop pretending you don't need to understand me.


This is fun!

Glad you agree reasons are made up! :D

Thought this was another interesting one:

Mushroom Philosophy Presents "My Religion" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yttbnyE4_TA)

Haven't had a chance to watch the other parts yet, but this video is also interesting:

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLZMC3VE9NQ)

You do realize it takes reason to understand videos, right?

There's nothing particularly wrong with reason, you just can't go very far with it. It's like a pogo stick.

You do realize it takes reason to understand videos, right?

There's nothing particularly wrong with reason, you just can't go very far with it. It's like a pogo stick.

I'm not trying to say that there is something wrong with reason.

Just that it gets created by a person, along with all "order", whenever that person attempts to understand the infinite, illogical chaos that is reality. The implications of these videos are no different. The things that I say are no different.

Yes, it's like a pogo stick. Because no matter the logical heights it might take you to, you always land back in the illogical grounding.

I'm not trying to say that there is something wrong with reason.

Just that it gets created by a person, along with all "order", whenever that person attempts to understand the infinite, illogical chaos that is reality. The implications of these videos are no different. The things that I say are no different.

Yes, it's like a pogo stick. Because no matter the logical heights it might take you to, you always land back in the illogical grounding.

No, no, there definitely is an intelligent order to the universe...Just look at your own body for the evidence of that.

Everything is a master piece of intelligence.

No, no, there definitely is an intelligent order to the universe...Just look at your own body for the evidence of that.

Everything is a master piece of intelligence.

I disagree rizzo. I think "just looking" at the universe will bring order to it. I will "see" an order even if there is not one.

It's all perspectives. The same reason person A may find concept A to be "more" reasonable then concept B, and person B may find concept B to be "more" reasonable then concept A.

Underneath all those different understandings, all those different orders each claiming to be "right", or "true", where is the reason? There is none.

The logical is born out the illogical. Order is born out of chaos. The finite is born out of the infinite.

That's how it is. You can create reasons if you like to, you can claim there is an intelligent order to the universe ... I don't see it. You could claim it's all up to "chance". That's meaningless. There really is no reason for anything. It is illogical.

Even this understanding of reality is created, by me, in my attempt to see an order where there is not one. I can claim that's how it is as much as I want, as much as you claim there is an intelligent order. Neither of us are changing anything. Both of us create our reasons, though.

I think the speaker is a goof who goes off on tangents, but it's pretty good information on the same topic as the rest of the videos:

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NagGDIH0jcs&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VGhwKCFB2w&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbY7jeDj-hg&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS3ndZsQqRM&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYs_prYxybo&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKv77UHzwgg&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_nvMes7_Zo&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wPMIzPnzY&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXUnknhZfI&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uD1OQKDFUc&feature=related)

The Impact of Mushrooms on Mankind Pt 12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYPCTLRyp1Y&feature=related)

One interesting thing he goes over that I haven't seen before is the use of isolation tanks (including saltwater) by some ancient culture.

Yes, it's like a pogo stick. Because no matter the logical heights it might take you to, you always land back in the illogical grounding.

I disagree with what I believe you are saying.
I think it is more like this:

http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/intro.html

"Life is caught in the tension between order and chaos. If there is too much order, everything becomes the same and there is no room for creativity or anything new. Everything must fit the one pattern. If there is too much chaos nothing can last long enough to create anything useful; everything is just a jumble that destroys everything before it can get started. Between order and chaos is found the Edge of Chaos (http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/edgeofchaos.html), the point where there is enough chaos for novelty and creativity, but also enough order for consistency and patterns to endure. This point is a magic point, where new and unimagined properties can emerge."

I disagree with what I believe you are saying.
I think it is more like this:

http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/intro.html

"Life is caught in the tension between order and chaos. If there is too much order, everything becomes the same and there is no room for creativity or anything new. Everything must fit the one pattern. If there is too much chaos nothing can last long enough to create anything useful; everything is just a jumble that destroys everything before it can get started. Between order and chaos is found the Edge of Chaos (http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/edgeofchaos.html), the point where there is enough chaos for novelty and creativity, but also enough order for consistency and patterns to endure. This point is a magic point, where new and unimagined properties can emerge."

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites. :(

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites. :(

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

It's working for me, try googling "chaos theory and complexity theory".

I see what yr saying now.
Although order will naturally arise from chaos, it will always fall back into that whence it came. The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water. Of course we cannot accurately give an example because all that we know is on the edge of chaos. But the example can allow your mind to go beyond the mind.

That which is, before and after (illogical infinity), and contains within it the speck of the logical finite, could be said to be Reality. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water.

That's what I am saying, yes.

Those sites are working for me now, don't know why not earlier.