i've been thinking about this. big gun companies offer low-quality firearms and market them to poor african american youths. Companies like Hi-point and Intratec. What happens when one of these poor youths get into a shootout with a police officer, or goes to rob a well-off white family who owns say a glock? Whitey clearly has an advantage. It's not fair.

I dont want any of these poor young men getting killed by some racist gun owner defending his family. There needs to be a government funded program to give out higher quality weapons to black criminals.:mad:

There needs to be people giving black felons hk's and glocks and body armor when they get out, so they can pull home invasions on law abiding citizens in a much safer manor. And take away guns from the cops and white people. I think Obama will make everything better :)

I wouldnt say its the gun industry that's racist. I would say its black culture emulating drug-dealers, pimps, gun-runners, and overall illegal activity

i've been thinking about this. big gun companies offer low-quality firearms and market them to poor african american youths. Companies like Hi-point and Intratec. What happens when one of these poor youths get into a shootout with a police officer, or goes to rob a well-off white family who owns say a glock? Whitey clearly has an advantage. It's not fair.

I dont want any of these poor young men getting killed by some racist gun owner defending his family. There needs to be a government funded program to give out higher quality weapons to black criminals.:mad:

There needs to be people giving black felons hk's and glocks and body armor when they get out, so they can pull home invasions on law abiding citizens in a much safer manor. And take away guns from the cops and white people. I think Obama will make everything better :)

LOL

Thanks, you made my day.

btw, I only post LOL when I actually laugh out loud

i've been thinking about this. big gun companies offer low-quality firearms and market them to poor african american youths. Companies like Hi-point and Intratec. What happens when one of these poor youths get into a shootout with a police officer, or goes to rob a well-off white family who owns say a glock? Whitey clearly has an advantage. It's not fair.

Well, if poor African-American youths had a little gumption, they'd get a damn job to afford the quality hardware they want. I worked flipping burgers for six months to afford my first precision rifle.

I dont want any of these poor young men getting killed by some racist gun owner defending his family. There needs to be a government funded program to give out higher quality weapons to black criminals.

Ok see, I do, and I don't want my tax dollars going into buying the stuff those people should be working to afford anyway.

There needs to be people giving black felons hk's and glocks and body armor when they get out, so they can pull home invasions on law abiding citizens in a much safer manor. And take away guns from the cops and white people. I think Obama will make everything better :)

All of the above besides the point, it's not about what you have, it's about what you can do. If you shoot like a nigger with a hi-point, raven, lorcin, bryco, or jennings, you'll STILL shoot like a nigger with a Glock, HK, Sig Sauer, or quality 1911. It's a software, not a harware issue.

In short, shut your hole. The gun industry is beyond reproach.

Srsly, there should be sort of affirming affirmative action for them african americans when it comes to gun ownership.

I mean, there are more blacks that were caught with illegal possession of firearms right ? Why not make it easier fro blacks folks to own guns legally, maybe loosen the background check a bit,...shorter waiting period...dismissing criminal records as the basis for disallowing them to carry a gun, stuff like that kno.

Also, I don't think it's ethical to ask blacks to register their guns, cos....you kno, it's a part of their culture you kno ?? It's like asking some India Indians to register their turbans or maybe like asking a jew to register their skull cap...like that. It's just not right and unethical....

So blacks need not be registered to own a gun or any permits whatsoever to conceal carry their gun[s],...so we can just assume that all blacks are armed until proven to be otherwise....

I am not sure whether the OP was serious or not, but there is one thing I do believe. That is that we need a complete 100% ban on all weapons. Everything.

If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

Yea...like when the government banned the coke, and so none are using coke right now....ohhhh....wait, it was banned but I still can get it....

What we should really do is arm everybody so everybody won't dare to shoot anybody....

I am not sure whether the OP was serious or not, but there is one thing I do believe. That is that we need a complete 100% ban on all weapons. Everything.

If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

In the words of Chris Rock, "Make every bullet cost $1000. That'll make them think twice about shooting someone."

Yea...like when the government banned the coke, and so none are using coke right now....ohhhh....wait, it was banned but I still can get it....

What we should really do is arm everybody so everybody won't dare to shoot anybody....

I assume you're talking about Cocaine. Yes, I suppose if you made the proper connections or "hook-ups" you could obtain it via the black market. And yes, I suppose it would still be possible for you to obtain a firearm using the same method if a complete gun ban was put in effect.

But nothing can ever be perfect, there will always be crooks he sneak through the cracks. The positive thing would be that the police would be given alot more freedom to locate those in possession, and once found seize their weapons and punish the criminals.

I assume you're talking about Cocaine. Yes, I suppose if you made the proper connections or "hook-ups" you could obtain it via the black market. And yes, I suppose it would still be possible for you to obtain a firearm using the same method if a complete gun ban was put in effect.

But nothing can ever be perfect, there will always be crooks he sneak through the cracks. The positive thing would be that the police would be given alot more freedom to locate those in possession, and once found seize their weapons and punish the criminals.

yea and then why don't you just burn the constitution, dissolve the congress, dissolve the judiciary, and give all those powers to the executive?

yea and then why don't you just burn the constitution, dissolve the congress, dissolve the judiciary, and give all those powers to the executive?

Haha. I can't stand how these gun nuts think there is some kind of constitutional amendment allowing them to keep their idiotic arsenal of firearms.

First of all existance of such a "declaration" in the constitution is quite debatable. It states the right of militias (or the military) to "bear arms". Many people are skeptical that the founding fathers meant anything near to what the gun-nuts propose.

Second of all, lets assume you are correct and the constitution does give people "the right" to have weapons. Well, the constitution is what's known as a living document. That means that it is open to interpretation and change. It is legal to change the constitution to fit our day and age.

You see the constitution was written hundreds of years ago. Back then the United States was covered in forest, people needed a musket or two to hunt or protect against carnivorous animals like wolves. There was hardly an established police force and there were people known as "road bandits" who would rob settlers left and right. A firearm had some justification then.

This country has changed much since then. The right to own weapons has changed from a possible need, to an extreme problem. Thousands die every year from our gun-obsessed culture. We have a great police force, and an outstanding military, there is no need whatsoever for any civilian to own a weapon. Weapons are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago when the constitution was written, it is completely unsafe to have these tools of death in anyone's but the hands of trained professionals.

If there wasn't such a powerful gun lobby, we would have a much safer nation.

I find it humorous how some idiots think that because of one sentence that may or may not be interpreted correctly, that gives them some G-d-given right to stock up on machine guns. It's not like "Thou Shall Accumulate Sub-Machine Guns" was written on the tablets. ;)

no jew/marxist believes any of this stuff they say about gun control. It's all about taking guns away from people who obey the law.

I say if the jews and marxist really want to cut the murder rate down, get rid of the niggers, not the guns. A perfect example is washington DC. The Criminals prey on civilians instead of other criminals, because they know the civilians cant defend themselves.

But I say go ahead and outlaw them. I have all of mine buried. And when they bust my door down, I'm digging them up and having some fun :D

But I say go ahead and outlaw them. I have all of mine buried. And when they bust my door down, I'm digging them up and having some fun :D


Oh, I am sure the SWAT team would be scared of another paranoid-schizophrenic with a shotgun. ;)

I realize I am being quite generous to you people to expect intelligence on this particular forum. I guess I started posting here out of pity.

Unfortunately it seems this place is just infested with the usual "gun-nuts and paranoid nazis".

The point of of burying a gun is so you dont have to fight a swat team stupid.

And a "shotgun" is alot different from "an arsenal of smgs" :rolleyes:

And it's not a swat team that would have to worry about me, because they wont find anything in my house. I dont own a shotgun. I own one rifle, and a shitload of pistols. And all but one are safely tucked away in an ammo can in the woods. So the Goyim or whatever aren't as stupid as you think mr. jew man.

The kikes want their little nigger agents to be free to rape and rob as much as they want without anyone being able to defend themselves.

Haha. I can't stand how these gun nuts think there is some kind of constitutional amendment allowing them to keep their idiotic arsenal of firearms.

First of all existance of such a "declaration" in the constitution is quite debatable. It states the right of militias (or the military) to "bear arms". Many people are skeptical that the founding fathers meant anything near to what the gun-nuts propose.

Second of all, lets assume you are correct and the constitution does give people "the right" to have weapons. Well, the constitution is what's known as a living document. That means that it is open to interpretation and change. It is legal to change the constitution to fit our day and age.

You see the constitution was written hundreds of years ago. Back then the United States was covered in forest, people needed a musket or two to hunt or protect against carnivorous animals like wolves. There was hardly an established police force and there were people known as "road bandits" who would rob settlers left and right. A firearm had some justification then.

This country has changed much since then. The right to own weapons has changed from a possible need, to an extreme problem. Thousands die every year from our gun-obsessed culture. We have a great police force, and an outstanding military, there is no need whatsoever for any civilian to own a weapon. Weapons are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago when the constitution was written, it is completely unsafe to have these tools of death in anyone's but the hands of trained professionals.

If there wasn't such a powerful gun lobby, we would have a much safer nation.

I find it humorous how some idiots think that because of one sentence that may or may not be interpreted correctly, that gives them some G-d-given right to stock up on machine guns. It's not like "Thou Shall Accumulate Sub-Machine Guns" was written on the tablets. ;)

Gun bans are unconstitutional. Did you pay attn to the SCs decision in june? You say ban them, okay say we do. Guns will still come in and guns will still be deadly. Just look at prohibition and the war on drugs. Furthermore, how would you suggest to keep deer population in order? Hugely expensive contraception programs? Hunting has not only a huge tradition in this country, but it keeps the deer population down. Living in a rather rural/sub-urban area, deer are a pain in the ass. Some hunters go so far as to give extra meat to the homeless so they don't starve.

Second, if firearms are banned, how do I protect myself from criminals when the police are over a half an hour away? A criminal will have a gun either way (them being a criminal and breaking the laws), what am I to do? Let him do as he pleases?

Third. What will you ban next? Knives? Hammers? Cars? Trains? All of those objects kill thousands of people a year, would you ban them? Why dont you throw planes in there too.

Most gun-owners, if you knew any, are not gun-nuts. They care for their firearms and have taken many gun safety courses and, quite often, teach them. They carry their firearms as if they are carrying a baby. What you are thinking of are those gang-bangers, drug-runners, and other criminals. And another thing, people are still being robbed left and right by those people I listed before.

While we do have a great military, they are not allowed to police the country due to posse comitatus. Cops can be bought off.

Finally, I have one final question for you. Who guards the guards?

bunch of gay shit

Yeah, 'cause trained professionals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY) are so much better at handling guns than everyone else. Fuck you. I hope you get shot in the nuts.

EDIT: here's another trained professional (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnCnqOQSQ8E)

I am not sure whether the OP was serious or not, but there is one thing I do believe. That is that we need a complete 100% ban on all weapons. Everything.

If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

Outrageous.

All that will do is assure that normal, law abiding citizens have no protection what so ever against criminals.

I am not sure whether the OP was serious or not, but there is one thing I do believe. That is that we need a complete 100% ban on all weapons. Everything.

Anything can be used as a weapon. I know someone who killed two and put a third in critical condition with a fork. If you want to ban all weapons, you will ban everything. You'll also enable stronger, younger, and trained individuals to commit strong armed robbery without any kind of equalizer.





If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

People killed each other before guns were invented. Killing is a human behavior, and it occurs regardless of firearms availability.


The Assault Weapons Ban didn't lower crime. When it sunset, crime rates decreased.

More guns do not equal more crime. Less guns do not equal less crime. I do not go so far as to claim more guns equates to less crime, but here is contradictory evidence.

Numerable other sources often claim that crime rates were decreasing before gun control measures were put in place in countries such as Britain, spiked dramatically after the ban where law-abiding citizens were disarmed, and then rose yet remained under-reported. This just makes it even more difficult to compare statistics, and I'm inclined to believe that access to firearms likely does not necessarily affect crime because it is a human behavior distinct from property ownership issues.

In Kennesaw, GA. Residents are legally mandated to own guns, yet a google search will show their crime rate is extremely low.


“Violence, Guns and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis”, by Jeffery A. Miron, Department of Economics, Boston University claims he found countries with the strictest gun-control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates.

Mexico: low guns, high crime. US: high guns, high crime. Swiss: high gun, low crime. Japan: low gun, low crime

Texas specifically did a study and found that permit holders who in their state are less likely to be arrested. I know you mentioned them as weird, but here you go: http://www.txchia.org/sturdevant2000.htm.

Also, North Carolina only revoked .245213309% of their concealed carry permits within the past twelve years:
http://sbi2.jus.state.nc.us/crp/public/Default.htm

The UN found that after Scotland, "[b]oth Australia and New Zealand had the next highest proportion of assaults among their population at 2.4%, exactly double the level reported for the United States." This is in comparison to "3% of people in Scotland had suffered an assault, while the figure for England and Wales was second highest at 2.8%." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4257966.stm

The FBI crime stats of 1992 found that for that given year overwhelmingly in the US, violence was decreased overall in states with less strict firearms regulations. "Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000) [...] Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000) [...] The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000) [...] The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the states which restrict guns (798.3 per 100,000 pop.)than the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000)"

At University of Utah, students who meet the requirements for getting a concealed weapon permit may carry on campus if they are permit holders. They've done so for over a year now. It was late '06 when they allowed it, and they have no increase in violence, much less gun violence on campus. This is among college students, fraternities, binge drinking, etc.

Haha. I can't stand how these gun nuts think there is some kind of constitutional amendment allowing them to keep their idiotic arsenal of firearms.

First of all existance of such a "declaration" in the constitution is quite debatable. It states the right of militias (or the military) to "bear arms". Many people are skeptical that the founding fathers meant anything near to what the gun-nuts propose.

Second of all, lets assume you are correct and the constitution does give people "the right" to have weapons. Well, the constitution is what's known as a living document. That means that it is open to interpretation and change. It is legal to change the constitution to fit our day and age.



It's actually not particularly debatable at all. If you read the history and letters of the time, it'd be obvious. It's apparent you don't read, though, nor have an understanding of our government. I have a ton of select quotes if you'd like to read them. Feel free to cross reference them, as I cited most of them. They are not included in the quotes below.

As far as the Constitution, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Inalienable Rights of the People are not subject to change. They are merely recognized by the Constitution, in particular, the Bill of Rights.

You see the constitution was written hundreds of years ago. Back then the United States was covered in forest, people needed a musket or two to hunt or protect against carnivorous animals like wolves. There was hardly an established police force and there were people known as "road bandits" who would rob settlers left and right. A firearm had some justification then.

This country has changed much since then. The right to own weapons has changed from a possible need, to an extreme problem. Thousands die every year from our gun-obsessed culture. We have a great police force, and an outstanding military, there is no need whatsoever for any civilian to own a weapon.
"We" don't have a police force. You obviously don't understand how governments work at local levels. I used to help train police cadets at MY police department. Want to know something interesting? Castle Rock v. Gonzales: The police have no duty to protect the individual citizen.

Citizens need firearms. If they didn't, why would so many in law enforcement, the District Attorney's office, politics (including people such as Diane Feinstein who have openly said they wanted to ban firearms), Hollywood, and other professions have concealed weapons permits?


Weapons are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago when the constitution was written, it is completely unsafe to have these tools of death in anyone's but the hands of trained professionals.

If there wasn't such a powerful gun lobby, we would have a much safer nation.

I find it humorous how some idiots think that because of one sentence that may or may not be interpreted correctly, that gives them some G-d-given right to stock up on machine guns. It's not like "Thou Shall Accumulate Sub-Machine Guns" was written on the tablets. ;)


Hey, more people die every year from pools than guns. More people die every year from cars than guns. I suppose you want to ban knives also... despite the fact they are necessary for many occupations to be carried.

If you want to just ignore the hundreds of years of historical quotes that proclaim the Second Amendment a right of the people, we can stick with those of the past 50 or so years. You ready for some education?

When aggressors possess guns, this has many effects on the outcome of violent incidents, some tending to make harmful outcomes more likely, some making them less likely. Gun possession probably facilitates some attacks by less powerful aggressors against more powerful victims, and may elicit aggression in at least some circumstances, whereas gun use probably increases the probability of death if a wound is inflicted. On the other hand, possession of guns has the overall effect of reducing the likelyhood of attack, probably because it often makes the attack unnecessary, and of reducing the probability of an injury being inflicted, perhaps due to the difficulty of aiming guns accurately. The aggregate level analysis of violent crime rates indicated that the net impact of all the various individual effects of gun possession, among prospective victims and aggressors combined, was not significantly different from zero. Consequently, the assumption that general gun availability positively affects the frequency or average seriousness of violent crimes is not supported. The policy implication is that there appears to be nothing to be gained from reducing the general gun ownership level.
(Dr. Gary Kleck, _Point Blank_ (1991)
Only 25% of criminal gun owners acquire their guns through retail purchase. The rest go through hand-to-hand, private transfers. Banning certain types of guns or limiting the number of guns available to dealers or the number of dealers are all non-selective approaches to reducing the over-all availability of guns. What is now clear is that such approaches will select against law-abiding citizens who might need to use their guns in self-defense rather than criminals who usually don't get their guns through dealers anyway. People who use guns in crime probably use stolen guns. Easily 1M guns are stolen each year, plenty to account for the not more than 800K used in crimes each year.
(Dr. Gary Kleck, _Point Blank_ (1991)

People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, where the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work.
– L. Neil Smith, _The Probability Broach_
Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).
(FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)
Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).
(FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)
The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the (gun) restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000).
(FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)
The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the states which restrict guns (798.3 per 100,000 pop.)than the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).
(FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)
Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense.
(FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)

State v. Nickerson, 126 Mt. 157, 247 P.2d 188, at 192 (1952): "The law ... accords to the defendant the right to keep and bear arms and to use same in defense of his own home, his person and property."
Taylor v. McNeal, 523 S.W.2d 148, at 150 (Mo. App 1975) "The pistols in question are not contraband...every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, and property..."

The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once." -- Justice Alex Kozinski, US 9th Circuit Court, 2003

The signification attributed to the term, Militia, appear from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense... And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of a kind in common use at the time. – US Supreme Court, US v Miller
It is undoubtedly true that all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force or reserve militia of the United States as well as of the States.
– US Supreme Court, Presser v. Illinois

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
– US Supreme Court, Heller v. DC

It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law.
– Malcolm X, March 12, 1964

The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. – Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, US Senate, 97th Congress, 2nd Session (February 1982)
Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.- John F. Kennedy
When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable. - John F. Kennedy

State v. Nickerson, 126 Mt. 157, 247 P.2d 188, at 192 (1952): "The law ... accords to the defendant the right to keep and bear arms and to use same in defense of his own home, his person and property."
Taylor v. McNeal, 523 S.W.2d 148, at 150 (Mo. App 1975) "The pistols in question are not contraband...every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, and property..."

RON SMYTHBERG -

I have a gun. It is tucked away safely in my apartment. I do not take it out - ever. The only circumstance I would take it out - is if someone had broken into my apartment and meant to do me harm.

Why would you take that away from me? I am licensed to own it - I have taken the required safety classes and then some. My only interest is my own protection/protecting those I love.

Why would you want to take that away from me?

EDIT : I understand you aren't for violence - and neither am I - but if it comes down to me or some degenerate who's broken into my place and means me harm - who do you think it's going to be?

If you think you could ever, ever get guns off the streets, you are living in a dream world.

Look at drugs.

Haha. I can't stand how these gun nuts think there is some kind of constitutional amendment allowing them to keep their idiotic arsenal of firearms.

First of all existance of such a "declaration" in the constitution is quite debatable. It states the right of militias (or the military) to "bear arms". Many people are skeptical that the founding fathers meant anything near to what the gun-nuts propose.

Second of all, lets assume you are correct and the constitution does give people "the right" to have weapons. Well, the constitution is what's known as a living document. That means that it is open to interpretation and change. It is legal to change the constitution to fit our day and age.

You see the constitution was written hundreds of years ago. Back then the United States was covered in forest, people needed a musket or two to hunt or protect against carnivorous animals like wolves. There was hardly an established police force and there were people known as "road bandits" who would rob settlers left and right. A firearm had some justification then.

This country has changed much since then. The right to own weapons has changed from a possible need, to an extreme problem. Thousands die every year from our gun-obsessed culture. We have a great police force, and an outstanding military, there is no need whatsoever for any civilian to own a weapon. Weapons are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago when the constitution was written, it is completely unsafe to have these tools of death in anyone's but the hands of trained professionals.

If there wasn't such a powerful gun lobby, we would have a much safer nation.

I find it humorous how some idiots think that because of one sentence that may or may not be interpreted correctly, that gives them some G-d-given right to stock up on machine guns. It's not like "Thou Shall Accumulate Sub-Machine Guns" was written on the tablets. ;)

If you are serious, you are a liberal (or idiot, their the same), or you are the funniest comedian to make fun of liberals that has ever walked this earth. If you aren't do some research instead of pulling facts out of your emotional ass.

Ron Smythberg is either a very good troll or the most naive person in the world.
Licenced weapons are not the weapons used in violent crime. Taking away civilians rights to own licenced firearems would only endanger those law abiding citizens who own registered guns.

blacks aren't the problem black culture is the problem

blacks aren't the problem black culture is the problem

No, no.

You are mistaken.

Blacks ARE the problem.

It seems like every response is the same. "Licensed weapons do not contribute to crime". Well.. let me ask you something. If it isn't the licensed weapons that are being used in crime, but some other source of weapons, please enlighten me as to where/what weapons are being used for crime.

I'll save you some time. Most weapons used in crime are those that are stolen from licensed gun owners. So even though the licensed gun owners themselves aren't doing the crimes, the fact that they are legally allowed to own weapons is having a major negative impact.

So I will rehash my argument. A complete ban on all guns is not perfect, but it is a major and definitive first step in cracking down on gun violence. Because most weapons used in crime are stolen, taking away the supply of weapons will begin to curb that violence. It is so damn simple. I know the gun nuts on this forum are afraid to hear the truth because it means their "little toy" may be taken away, but it really is the tried and true method for finally putting an end to this madness.

If any of you gun-nuts still have a shred of common sense, you will understand my words.

It seems like every response is the same. "Licensed weapons do not contribute to crime". Well.. let me ask you something. If it isn't the licensed weapons that are being used in crime, but some other source of weapons, please enlighten me as to where/what weapons are being used for crime.

I'll save you some time. Most weapons used in crime are those that are stolen from licensed gun owners. So even though the licensed gun owners themselves aren't doing the crimes, the fact that they are legally allowed to own weapons is having a major negative impact.

So I will rehash my argument. A complete ban on all guns is not perfect, but it is a major and definitive first step in cracking down on gun violence. Because most weapons used in crime are stolen, taking away the supply of weapons will begin to curb that violence. It is so damn simple. I know the gun nuts on this forum are afraid to hear the truth because it means their "little toy" may be taken away, but it really is the tried and true method for finally putting an end to this madness.

If any of you gun-nuts still have a shred of common sense, you will understand my words.

Outrageous.

I am not a gun nut.

I simply do not want my protection taken away from me. And - you did not answer my question.

Why would YOU want to take that away from ME? What did I ever do to you? I am responsible - I have taken the required safety courses and THEN some. My only interest is my OWN protection - and the protection of my loved ones.

Why do you want to take that away from me?

Outrageous.

I am not a gun nut.

I simply do not want my protection taken away from me. And - you did not answer my question.

Why would YOU want to take that away from ME? What did I ever do to you? I am responsible - I have taken the required safety courses and THEN some. My only interest is my OWN protection - and the protection of my loved ones.

Why do you want to take that away from me?

You took some cheapo safety course, wow.

I don't personally want to take anything from you buddy. If you read the post above it outlines why I believe all weapons should be outlawed.

Once these laws are in effect, drop off centers will become available which will trade you some money for your gun. Once the guns trade hands they will be incinerated.

edit: Oh and its pretty obvious the only reason what I am saying isnt in effect right now is the powerful gun-lobby.

Don't think for one second its because of some "quasi-constitutional" right.

The fact is the U.S is infested with weapons corporations, who's only goal is to sell as many guns to as many people as possible. The gun-nuts are basically their pawns.

You took some cheapo safety course, wow.

I don't personally want to take anything from you buddy. If you read the post above it outlines why I believe all weapons should be outlawed.

Once these laws are in effect, drop off centers will become available which will trade you some money for your gun. Once the guns trade hands they will be incinerated.

No - it wasn't a "cheapo" course. And, you'll note that I said not only did I take the primary and required course - but then some. (Gun safety training, operations, mechanics, cleaning courses etc, etc)

And, yes - you personally DO want to take something from me. You want all guns to be banned. If all guns were banned - I wouldn't have MY GUN - that I only want for my own protection.

If I wanted money instead of a gun - I wouldn't have purchased a gun in the first place.

Believe me, sir - I hope that in my heart of hearts I never - EVER have to use my gun.

Seriously - I don't mean to sound so cliche' but banning guns won't do anything for violence. Gun's aren't violent.

The person who aims a gun at another person and pulls the trigger is violent.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Yes, I know - it's cliche' but it's the one thing people against guns can't stand to hear. Why? Because it's the truth.

A gun is not a weapon until someone MAKES it a weapon.

Perhaps there should be more restrictions on guns/gun ownership - that I would understand. But banning them completely is ludicrous.

EDIT : After all, I'm a small guy. If some one breaks into my place and means to do me harm - how exactly - do you expect me to protect myself?

No - it wasn't a "cheapo" course. And, you'll note that I said not only did I take the primary and required course - but then some. (Gun safety training, operations, mechanics, cleaning courses etc, etc)

And, yes - you personally DO want to take something from me. You want all guns to be banned. If all guns were banned - I wouldn't have MY GUN - that I only want for my own protection.

If I wanted money instead of a gun - I wouldn't have purchased a gun in the first place.

Believe me, sir - I hope that in my heart of hearts I never - EVER have to use my gun.

Seriously - I don't mean to sound so cliche' but banning guns won't do anything for violence. Gun's aren't violent.

The person who aims a gun at another person and pulls the trigger is violent.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Yes, I know - it's cliche' but it's the one thing people against guns can't stand to hear. Why? Because it's the truth.

A gun is not a weapon until someone MAKES it a weapon.

Perhaps there should be more restrictions on guns/gun ownership - that I would understand. But banning them completely is ludicrous.

Well if instead of mindless rhetoric, you instead made decisions based on facts, you would probably be on my side.

The fact is that the countries with the most guns have the most violence. This is undisputable. I know there was some scandynavian country that had alot of guns and little violence, but that is merely an exception to the rule as most of those guns were farming rifles.

You owning a weapon, no matter how many "safety courses" you have taken or no matter how much you feel like your some kind of "great protector", are still contributing to the problem. The problem being: having a supply of weapons in the country drastically increases the gun crime in the country. Why? Because most guns used in crime are stolen from people like you. Its a simple A+B=C formula.

I know your probably going to say "well no one would ever steal a gun from me". Well maybe your right, but it won't accomplish anything if we make exceptions for everyone.

So maybe you should grow up, see your gun for what it is, and get rid of it. I suppose you won't though as I presume you are still stuck in some kind of infantile obsession with phallic symbols. No, the gun is a tool of death, and has NO PLACE in society, except in the hands of law enforcement.

Well if instead of mindless rhetoric, you instead made decisions based on facts, you would probably be on my side.

The fact is that the countries with the most guns have the most violence. This is undisputable. I know there was some scandynavian country that had alot of guns and little violence, but that is merely an exception to the rule as most of those guns were farming rifles.

You owning a weapon, no matter how many "safety courses" you have taken or no matter how much you feel like your some kind of "great protector", are still contributing to the problem. The problem being: having a supply of weapons in the country drastically increases the gun crime in the country. Why? Because most guns used in crime are stolen from people like you. Its a simple A+B=C formula.

I know your probably going to say "well no one would ever steal a gun from me". Well maybe your right, but it won't accomplish anything if we make exceptions for everyone.

So maybe you should grow up, see your gun for what it is, and get rid of it. I suppose you won't though as I presume you are still stuck in some kind of infantile obsession with phallic symbols. No, the gun is a tool of death, and has NO PLACE in society, except in the hands of law enforcement.

No. I am not spouting rhetoric any more than you are. I was telling you my side - and I don't recall being rude and condescending - so there is no call for that.

No - I am not trying to be a great protector. My gun is for MY protection and the protection of my loved ones who live with me.

I live in the city of Pittsburgh. And there is a lot of crime.

I sleep with my gun close by - and have a license to carry it. Do I typically carry it in public? No.

But - tell me something. If I had no gun - how exactly, would I prevent 2 individuals from breaking into my house and raping my girlfriend? I am a small guy - and it wouldn't take much to over power me.

However - with a gun close by - my protection, and her protection is insured. And - like said - I hope, in my heart of hearts , that I never, ever have to use it. I haven't ever pointed it at another human being - and with any luck - I'll never have to.

And - if you want to be taken seriously - or have people see things your way - a good place to start would be to remove all the insults from your post. Like I said, it's rude, condescending - and contributes nothing to the discussion we're having.

EDIT : And - I see your point about the "sub machine gun" argument. I personally feel that other than hunting rifles/pistols - there is NO NEED for other such weapons.

And, no. The leading cause of illegally acquired guns is NOT from being stolen from people who have licenses to own them. You have an opinion - that's fine. So do I. I take it you don't own a gun - that's your choice and right. And, it is my RIGHT (I don't care what you say about "interpreting the consitution" it is my right) to own one. I wouldn't force you to own a gun - so don't force me to give mine up.

I must go to work, but when I get back we'll continue this.

^^ Ron smythberg wants only the police and government to have firearms

I live in a rural area. Cops take at least half an hour to get here.

if the op is being sarcastic then you are brilliant

Srsly, there should be sort of affirming affirmative action for them african americans when it comes to gun ownership.

I mean, there are more blacks that were caught with illegal possession of firearms right ? Why not make it easier fro blacks folks to own guns legally, maybe loosen the background check a bit,...shorter waiting period...dismissing criminal records as the basis for disallowing them to carry a gun, stuff like that kno.

Also, I don't think it's ethical to ask blacks to register their guns, cos....you kno, it's a part of their culture you kno ?? It's like asking some India Indians to register their turbans or maybe like asking a jew to register their skull cap...like that. It's just not right and unethical....

So blacks need not be registered to own a gun or any permits whatsoever to conceal carry their gun[s],...so we can just assume that all blacks are armed until proven to be otherwise....

Much better satire than OP.

I am not sure whether the OP was serious or not, but there is one thing I do believe. That is that we need a complete 100% ban on all weapons. Everything.

If we get the damn guns of the street people will stop killing each other.

Best troll ever.

"If we get the damn guns off the street people will stop killing each other."

That's some Napoleon Dynamite shit right there. Except it's funny, because somebody actually believes it. "Promise me you'll never die!" XD

Well if instead of mindless rhetoric, you instead made decisions based on facts, you would probably be on my side.

The fact is that the countries with the most guns have the most violence. This is undisputable. I know there was some scandynavian country that had alot of guns and little violence, but that is merely an exception to the rule as most of those guns were farming rifles.

You owning a weapon, no matter how many "safety courses" you have taken or no matter how much you feel like your some kind of "great protector", are still contributing to the problem. The problem being: having a supply of weapons in the country drastically increases the gun crime in the country. Why? Because most guns used in crime are stolen from people like you. Its a simple A+B=C formula.

I know your probably going to say "well no one would ever steal a gun from me". Well maybe your right, but it won't accomplish anything if we make exceptions for everyone.

So maybe you should grow up, see your gun for what it is, and get rid of it. I suppose you won't though as I presume you are still stuck in some kind of infantile obsession with phallic symbols. No, the gun is a tool of death, and has NO PLACE in society, except in the hands of law enforcement.

Holy shit. You're actually serious. (or the greatest troll that ever lived?)

You're falling for the greatest lie ever told: correlation=causation.

Which is more likely:
Every society was equally peaceful up until the invention of the firearm?
Or
That differences exist between culture's; and that violent culture's have more weapons?

Besides, the statistics you cite are sketchy at best. Here are some bulletproof facts:
Violent Crime rate's go down when CCW legislation is passed.
Countries which have instituted gun bans saw an overall rise in violent crime and property crime.

Here are some sobering realities:
Of all the ways to be murdered: a gun is the one of the least painful.
Of all the ways to protect yourself: a gun is one of the most effective.

And just as a final fuck you to gun control supporters: please do try and ban guns. It'll get pie on the face of your well intentioned road to hell driving politicians, and it will make me lots of money.

Here's another clue from the clue factory: There are licensed gun owners in every country in the world. Some countries it's just harder than others to get a license.

I wonder if you can find out online which of your neighbors donated to the Brady campaign? Gun control supporters sound like good houses to loot when TSHTF. ;)

I recommend people start keeping notebooks of license plate numbers in their cars. Bumper stickers tell you all sorts of good shit about people, and the DMV isn't as bad of a place as people make it out to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Well, if poor African-American youths had a little gumption, they'd get a damn job to afford the quality hardware they want. I worked flipping burgers for six months to afford my first precision rifle.

Ok see, I do, and I don't want my tax dollars going into buying the stuff those people should be working to afford anyway.


You are so racially insensitive, expecting the black man to get a job.
If they had a job they wouldn't need the guns, working for them defeats the whole purpose of them owning one.

Srsly, there should be sort of affirming affirmative action for them african americans when it comes to gun ownership.

I mean, there are more blacks that were caught with illegal possession of firearms right ? Why not make it easier fro blacks folks to own guns legally, maybe loosen the background check a bit,...shorter waiting period...dismissing criminal records as the basis for disallowing them to carry a gun, stuff like that kno.

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The black gun owners have the same right as anyother race. They make the choice to illegaly conceal and carry a firearm. White people are charged with gun crimes alsoit is not like they are exempt. They make the choice to commit those crimes. They should not be rewarded for being idiots in the first place and then they are stupid enough to get caught after that. A black man can open carry just like a white man can. A black man can buy a gun just like a white man. As long as they are ligit.

no wonder you were supporting criminals stealing honest hard working citizens guns.

black or white, people can grow up with a healthy respect for a firearm, children have to be taught...that is where I think the problem is, no body takes care of their kids anymore. This is a true story, but the dates are skewed: In 1982, the crime rate by 16 year olds was at 24% of total crime, with a predicted growth in crime by this age group in 15 years to 76% of total rate. In 1997, the statistics didn't pan out, in fact the rate was lower than in 1982. The key factor was abortion...those kids were not born. I hope I put that in understandable words.

The black gun owners have the same right as anyother race.

That's sooooo racist. I mean, hey, we all know if they aren't given some affirming affirmative actions.....it's racist.

They make the choice to illegaly conceal and carry a firearm. White people are charged with gun crimes alsoit is not like they are exempt. They make the choice to commit those crimes. They should not be rewarded for being idiots in the first place and then they are stupid enough to get caught after that.

Which is why we should make it legal for them to conceal carry via the AA.....

A black man can open carry just like a white man can. A black man can buy a gun just like a white man. As long as they are ligit.

Your sooooo racially insensitive. I mean.....what would the public thinks and reacts when they saw a black man who's both jobless and uneducated, walks into a mall,....armed (albeit legitimately). Chaos and public panic would ensue. People would be terrified. America would be at a standstill each and every 5 minute as one darky after another appear out of no where with gun[s].....

They'd be hundreds of 911 calls each hour, as citizens try to report in on "suspicious" characters/persons...... each and every 0.5minutes.....

no wonder you were supporting criminals stealing honest hard working citizens guns.

Opportunisticsm is a part of human nature....embrace it.

If niggers were banned from using guns, the rest of us would not need guns for protection, its that simple.
And forget about the "gun industry racist" crap, We all know the only guns niggers have were stolen from us white people by the same niggers in question.
And the only way to stop niggers from stealing our guns is to put up big signs around our homes that say hard work ahead!

but why stop there?
welfare zookas

Is this "Smythburg" guy serious? I hope three (big but unarmed) black guys break into your house tonight and kick the shit out of you. Guess what? If you had a gun you could have stopped them all. It really takes a near death experience to show people how close-minded and ignorant they really are. Hopefully after something like this happens you may change your mind, Ronnie, i hope it happens soon.

I believe that NO guns should be illeagal. I dont care what anybody thinks. If i want to have a fully automatic tool of death that shoots 600 rounds a minute i will. Not because i am better than anybody else, but because i am an American, and am proud to be.

And this death machine will sit in my safe all year 'till me and some friends take it out for some pumpkin/ watermelon assasination. How harmfull is that? The great thing about this country is that i can own ANY gun i want and............. guess what? I dont need any reason for it, imagine that. Wait a minute, just doing something because you want to? It surely sounds like freedom to me, anybody else get this feeling?

I live in the Great state of Maine. If you start spewing that "Guns are evil..... Squeeeelllll!!!" shit around here they will honestly think you are crazy.

In Maine, guns are not just a good time at the range. They are a way of life. Most people here eat nothing but deer or moose meat. Hmmmm........ Imagine that, being a predator instead of a scavenger, you should try it sometime. You will never get THESE peoples guns, never. Some Americans will fight to the death for their constitutional rights, I am one of them.

Oh, and everybody who has taken my side on this issue previously, Merry Christmas and thank you for not being a retarded liberal.

Is this "Smythburg" guy serious? I hope three (big but unarmed) black guys break into your house tonight and kick the shit out of you. Guess what? If you had a gun you could have stopped them all. It really takes a near death experience to show people how close-minded and ignorant they really are. Hopefully after something like this happens you may change your mind, Ronnie, i hope it happens soon.

I believe that NO guns should be illeagal. I dont care what anybody thinks. If i want to have a fully automatic tool of death that shoots 600 rounds a minute i will. Not because i am better than anybody else, but because i am an American, and am proud to be.

And this death machine will sit in my safe all year 'till me and some friends take it out for some pumpkin/ watermelon assasination. How harmfull is that? The great thing about this country is that i can own ANY gun i want and............. guess what? I dont need any reason for it, imagine that. Wait a minute, just doing something because you want to? It surely sounds like freedom to me, anybody else get this feeling?

I live in the Great state of Maine. If you start spewing that "Guns are evil..... Squeeeelllll!!!" shit around here they will honestly think you are crazy.

In Maine, guns are not just a good time at the range. They are a way of life. Most people here eat nothing but deer or moose meat. Hmmmm........ Imagine that, being a predator instead of a scavenger, you should try it sometime. You will never get THESE peoples guns, never. Some Americans will fight to the death for their constitutional rights, I am one of them.

Oh, and everybody who has taken my side on this issue previously, Merry Christmas and thank you for not being a retarded liberal.

I agree 100%, I love my guns too, and no way in hell is anyone gonna say I can't have them. I love to hunt, I love to shot at the range, it's great fun, and it's SAFE!

All you gun haters are just making your case on the bad people. Well just to let you know, us gun owners are just as safe as cops are with guns.

I agree 100%, I love my guns too, and no way in hell is anyone gonna say I can't have them. I love to hunt, I love to shot at the range, it's great fun, and it's SAFE!

All you gun haters are just making your case on the bad people. Well just to let you know, us gun owners are just as safe as cops are with guns.

I dont even know WHY they would want to ban them.
Really, if you want to feel safe bring your family to the range and rent some guns. Make sure everybody is safe and in control then buy a few.

You are correct. It is FUNNN i wish everybody in the country had a gun. The murder rate would go way down. Look at Chicago, one of the most violent cities in the world. And imagine that, handguns are illeagal, they are also the most commonly used weapon in self defense shootings. Is this what you want to happen everywhere? Are you that sick?

I agree 100%, I love my guns too, it's great fun, and it's SAFE!


You people are the exact reason every last gun must be banned.

You people are the exact reason every last gun must be banned.

If another country invades yours, or criminals break into your home, what are you gonna do? beg for your life. Your just sheep for the slaughter.

If another country invades yours, or criminals break into your home, what are you gonna do? beg for your life. Your just sheep for the slaughter.


These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.

These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.

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Ah, yes... The military and police that have everybody's best interests in mind and are ethically beyond reproach.

Open your fucking eyes sheep-boy.

These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.

But, Sir - how could I expect the police to respond and come to my aid immediately? That is unrealistic. Albeit, I wish they could, but it's simply not feasible.

Believe me, if I believe that someone is in my place that shouldn't be, or if I feel threatened, the VERY FIRST thing I would do, is of course, phone the police.

But, if the bottom line comes - and I have nothing else to resort to...I'm going to rely on my gun.

I have no land-line telephone, so I rely on my cell phone to make calls. I sleep with that beside my bed as well. I very, very, very rarely ever have any service problems, and I never lose it - but, never say never.

If indeed there would come a time when I need my phone to call the authorities and CAN'T - what do you expect me to do? How would I protect myself from a group of individuals if they decided to break into my home and meant to do me harm?

These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.


LMFAO...... You need more than an education to get by in this world, So when you get out of preschool, let me know and I'll show you what the real world is like.

These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.

Are you kidding me? No matter what ANYBODY says or thinks i will continue to bear arms. YOU need to be educated. Still living with mommy and daddy?Has them doing everything for you made you ignorant, close-minded and uneducated?

Why should police be able to have guns and others can not? They are no better than ANYBODY else. The constitution states that also.
Ill tell you this, the police are not like your mommy and daddy. They do not come when you push a button or ring a bell. It would take a minimum of 20 min. for them to get to my house. Why do you want to take away peoples protection?

And regarding your militia comment you made earlier, a militia is a military like force made up entirely of ordinary citizens to protect in a time of need. So in ignorance you contradicted yourself here, only showing how uninformed you truly are about our constitution.

Have a shitty day idiot

My question to Ron Smythberg is as follows:

Who guards the guards?

My question to Ron Smythberg is as follows:

Who guards the guards?

EXACTLY!!!

I think he needs to realize that they will not always be there for him. Ron, if someone broke into your house, the police are 10 min. away, what is your plan of action? No matter what, whether he/they are armed are not, they WILL KILL YOU before the police get there. Do you not understand this? How do you plan to protect your wife/kids in the future? Are you going to let some thugs kidnap your kids and rape your wife while you are just feet away, knocked out?

I am not forcing anything upon you, but i think it is time you made a responsible choice for your family/friends.

Now lets go back in time. Virginia Tec. lets say 5 years ago they make it legal for ALL students there to carry sidearms. Now in 06 (i believe) that fucked up asian kid goes in there and starts shooting. He now if every student there had an insurance policy (AKA sidearm) he would NOT have killed 32 people. He would be lucky to kill one person before somebody killed him.

Almost all Law Enforcement officers think that concealed carry is the best thing in the world. Why? Because as officers they know that they can not be everywhere, can not save everybody. They think of CCWers as a big help to them. They even nicknamed them "Sheepdogs", ordinary citizens being sheep and sheepdogs protect them from wolves (AKA fucked up asians).

btw if you have any other made-up arguments I would sure like to hear them.

Shit, it takes up to 2 hours for the cops to get to where I live.
Maybe Ron live next to the Police Station, that would explain his ignorance, and failed train of thought.

Shit, it takes up to 2 hours for the cops to get to where I live.
Maybe Ron live next to the Police Station, that would explain his ignorance, and failed train of thought.

Well, like I told him - I hope to God I never, ever have to point my gun at another human being with the intent of pulling the trigger - but, beings I live in the city - and my apartment HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO before, I feel it necessary to own one.

After all, like I stated before, I'm not exactly king-kong. I'm a rather small guy - and it wouldn't take much to over power me in my own home. Yet - he still hasn't answered as to what I'm supposed to do if two individuals break into my place, overpower me and rape my girlfriend. It takes the authorities quite a while to respond - not very long mind you, but when you're in a situation like that every second is precious. But, thank God that's a situation I'll never have to deal with while I have my gun, and my license to carry it - and it's kind of backwards that he wants to take that away from me.

To each his own, I guess.

These exact situations are the reason the Military and Police were create. How about you come back when you get an education.

The police and military have no legal obligation to protect the individual, just the majority.

Castle Rock v. Gonzales.

Im not sure if the OP is a troll or a retard

Anyway to the douche that said get rid of all guns needs to kill himself

Anyway to the douche that said get rid of all guns needs to kill himself

This is so true, I mean, if guns are banned, whats next? Knives, Sticks, Bats, your dinner fork, rocks. The list go's on and on but you get my point.
we're gonna lose every right to own anything because of A-Holes like Ron, it needs to stop.

i've been thinking about this. big gun companies offer low-quality firearms and market them to poor african american youths. Companies like Hi-point and Intratec. What happens when one of these poor youths get into a shootout with a police officer, or goes to rob a well-off white family who owns say a glock? Whitey clearly has an advantage. It's not fair.

I dont want any of these poor young men getting killed by some racist gun owner defending his family. There needs to be a government funded program to give out higher quality weapons to black criminals.:mad:




lol.45

Haha. I can't stand how these gun nuts think there is some kind of constitutional amendment allowing them to keep their idiotic arsenal of firearms.

First of all existance of such a "declaration" in the constitution is quite debatable. It states the right of militias (or the military) to "bear arms". Many people are skeptical that the founding fathers meant anything near to what the gun-nuts propose.

Second of all, lets assume you are correct and the constitution does give people "the right" to have weapons. Well, the constitution is what's known as a living document. That means that it is open to interpretation and change. It is legal to change the constitution to fit our day and age.

You see the constitution was written hundreds of years ago. Back then the United States was covered in forest, people needed a musket or two to hunt or protect against carnivorous animals like wolves. There was hardly an established police force and there were people known as "road bandits" who would rob settlers left and right. A firearm had some justification then.

This country has changed much since then. The right to own weapons has changed from a possible need, to an extreme problem. Thousands die every year from our gun-obsessed culture. We have a great police force, and an outstanding military, there is no need whatsoever for any civilian to own a weapon. Weapons are nothing like they were hundreds of years ago when the constitution was written, it is completely unsafe to have these tools of death in anyone's but the hands of trained professionals.

If there wasn't such a powerful gun lobby, we would have a much safer nation.

I find it humorous how some idiots think that because of one sentence that may or may not be interpreted correctly, that gives them some G-d-given right to stock up on machine guns. It's not like "Thou Shall Accumulate Sub-Machine Guns" was written on the tablets. ;)
Know what else kills people, cars. You don't see us going to ban those do you?
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Fucking libtards

This is so true, I mean, if guns are banned, whats next? Knives, Sticks, Bats, your dinner fork, rocks. The list go's on and on but you get my point.
we're gonna lose every right to own anything because of A-Holes like Ron, it needs to stop.

Don't forget frying-pans, pool cues, and dogs.

Seriously what do you hope to accomplish by banning guns? So you can "feel safe?" do you know how many people are killed, raped and beaten every day because they did not have a gun when they needed it?

Here's a nice little quote for you
"If guns kill, do pencils misspell words?"-Unknown