1. When the attacks began, immediately Al-Qaeda was blamed, even though experts said that it was too early to say that and the attacks certainly weren't Al-Qaeda's style.
( http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/27/asia/28group.php )

2. Then a group called Deccan Mujahideen was blamed. Global terrorism experts said they've never even heard of such a group.
( http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/27/asia/28group.php )

3. Then the Guardian said "What is likely is that the attacks will get blamed on Pakistan and its Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI)"
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...acks-terrorism )

(4. Then Pakistan was blamed everywhere.)

5. Then it was British-born Pakistans.
( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...rorists-mumbai )

6. Then the witnesses were interviewed and they said that some of the terrorists were white and even blonde and drank beer before the attack. MUSLIMS DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL!! So the attackers certainly weren't muslim.

"Locals say the orgy of killings in Mumbai began here. Three men walked into the cafe, drank beer, settled their bills and walked out. Then they fished out guns from their bags and began firing ... They did not look Indian, they looked foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed"
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7752625.stm )

7. Then another terrorist group was blamed - Lashkar-e-Taiba.
( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...i-attacks.html )

8. Also some dude claims of a local mafia boss carrying out the attacks. But this mafia boss is also known for working with the CIA and Al-Qaeda.
( http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_4068.shtml )

9. Pak tv says it was the zionists and the attack was a false flag operation.
( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/3785654.cms )


Notice that the sources I posted are very popular and highly-esteemed newspapers and such (except for onlinejournal), not just some "conspiracy thierist" stuff.

So my point is, that something very fishy is going on.

How is this in any way fishy? The Mumbia attacks just happened so of course there is going to be some confusion as to who carried out the attacks. And I'm pretty sure they confirmed that it was Lashka Al Taiba at this point but correct me if I'm wrong on that. Anyway just because Al Qeada was open about the 9/11 attacks doesn't mean that every terrorist organization is going to be racing to the news to deliver the message of war. For them to hide themselves gives them more power than Al Qeada anyway because now we don't even know who we are going after. And please don't tell me you think this is fishy because some people claimed the attacks were done by white people because thats a totally plausible scenario. News flash not every Western person is going to agree with their government. There will be some white people to defect to the other side because after all life is complex like that. Having a white dude on their side would grant them more power because people would fail to judge him and think he is just a normal everyday foreign tourist, not realizing he is actually a terrorist. And drinking beer may not be allowed in their religion but as you can clearly see they are willing to bend the rules to get what they want.

If you think this has to do with the U.S government then your sad. I'll admit, 9/11 was probably allowed to happen by our own government to justify a war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately the blowback wasn't in our favor like we were hoping when we decided to let the buildings burn but how could these Mumbai attacks in any way shape or form be beneficial to us. At least with Iraq there was a chance it could have worked out but with Mumbai....there is no potential advantage. Pakistan has nukes and we are allies with them. Allowing Pakistan to fail is allowing us to fail. If Pakistan goes down, India and Afghanistan will go with it and if anyone uses a nuke we've already announced that we will retaliate with a nuke and of course if we a super power nuke a country thats going to spread a wild fire. The U.S is devious but certainly not stupid.

575. Mumbai attack (1) (12/5/08)

The mastermind of Mumbai attack is the US intelligence and is co-operated by Israel and India's intelligence.

1. The US has a record to manipulate terrorist group to work for its own interest. Or sometimes they call it (terrorist group) the opposition group. One sample is that CIA supported Majahideen in Afghanistan in 80s to fight against Soviet Union and later turns some group into Al Qaida as a false flag. Al Qaida still works for US intelligence. They created 911 to justify Bush's mid-east war. They bomb Iraq civilians in mosque to provoke conflict between Sunni and Shiite so giving US an excuse to stay in Iraq. (and to ask for more money from the House)

A terrorist group can't survive unless it is supported by some power. Because it needs money and weapon. So is the terrorist group in India.

2. The most important part of Mumbai attack is neglected by US media.

Quote, "Mumbai Attack - India and the Axis of Evil
By M Rafic Soormally (guest) <http://www.defimedia.info/authors/281/M-Rafic-Soormally-%28guest%29> Published 1st December, 2008

In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, ....... in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more.The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups.....

.In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on Nov. 26, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai's additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported.The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated.

http://www.defimedia.info/blogs/688/Mumbai-Attack---India-and-the-Axis-of-Evil.html

Quote, "Mumbai The Mossad Angle
27 November 2008

And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead-gone-the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House-which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels-they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice.

http://top-secret-at.blogspot.com/search/label/Mumbai%20The%20Mossad%20Angle

My comment: It was a well planed elimination. In which three high ranking police officers were shoot to death before they were going to find the black hand behind the extremist groups in India. They died in a trap set up by perpetrators. The news now says two gunmen raided the Nariman Jewish house on 11/26. It seems nothing was done on 11/27. At 7:00 on 11/28, commandos descended on the roof of the Jewish house. At 18:15 they declared the victory. Two gunmen achieved all this. Do you believe it?

The elimination of the three high ranking ATS police officers gave an important motivation of this terror attack. They were the target of this terror attack. The news later was full of the propaganda that "terrorist target on Americans and Britons". That is not motive. The local Hindu terror cell, targets on Muslim, have no hatred on American and British civilians. The accused Pakistan Lashkar-e-Taibe has no motive too. They target on India - for the land of Kashmir. Both have no motive. And both have no record to deliberately kill Americans or Britons. How could they suddenly go crazy to waste so large a resource to create new enemy? They even can't reach their own goal.

It is old tactic of Feds to tarnish Islam. When the media report that suicide bomber killed dozens of innocent civilians in market; when "Al Qaida" kept bombing mosques to kill innocent Muslim; do you believe someone really would sacrifice his own life to kill other innocent people? Mumbai bombing inherits this tradition - Al Qaida's or more accurately: US intelligence's.

When US media censors the important news from public, I knew the real perpetrator is Feds. They have the ability to control US media, they have the resource to create 911 attack and Mumbai bombing, and they have the motive.

Interesting...this is the first I have heard of this. But still...I mean doesn't it seem foolish to carry out an assasination in this manner? I mean it would have made more sense to do individual assasinations over a huge terrorist attack. For one thing setting up a terrorist attack to off these high ranking police officers isn't a sure way to kill someone and for that matter, its now heating up a tremendous amount of tension between Pakistan and India which is clearly not good for us. I don't know....I mean on the one hand you are correct in the sense that the CIA has done these kinds of things in the past and if your sources prove credible then it is incredibly interesting to know that he was the first to be killed...but on the other hand it just seems like too retarded of a move for the U.S to make because it's a messy assasination which carries a lot of consequences that we're going to have to handle now. So, please....I challenge you to change my opinion.

I'm so glad kathaksung hasn't run out of meth yet, I think one of his threads was probably the first thing I've read on totse and since then I've always enjoyed his writings.

I know most of the stuff doesn't make too much sense, but sometimes he sees things from the right perspective, and his posts still provide an interesting read.

Anyway staying on topic, ISI has been using jihadi movements to push its agenda for the past two decades, it's really not surprising, ISI is highly unaccountable and the civilian government in Pakistan is unable to control it.

576. Mumbai attack (2) (12/12/08)

Pakistan is an Islamic country. The Muslim of that country is hostile to Israel. India historically has problem with Pakistan. The two countries had wars before. They still have conflict in controversial land - Kashmir. To provoke a conflict between India and Pakistan accord with the interest of Israel - let others fight and die for its own interest. The best way is to manipulate extremist group. So when Mumbai ATS found there is connection between Hindutva extremists and Israeli Mossad, there was no surprise. But the discovery led to the elimination - a few days after they uncovered the secret the high ranking police officers of the Mumbai ATS were killed near the Nariman Jewish House. It became an important site in Mumbai attack.

Quote, "Two of the hostages killed were identified as Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka, the couple who ran the centre, said a spokesman for the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. Their 18-month-old son had been one of three people rescued from the centre on Thursday.

In a telephone interview with CBC News from outside the centre, freelance journalist Arun Asthhana said there are reports that some of the militants had stayed at a guest house there for up to 15 days before the attacks.

"They had a huge mass of ammunition, arms and food there," Asthhana said.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/11/28/mumbai-attacks.html

The dead Jewish couple are the host of the House. They may have deeply involved in the case (local extremist group operation) and knew too much. So they have to be silenced. Their toddler survived because he is too young to know any plot. Though the gunmen are said to be killing maniac.

India military and intelligence involved in case too. The gunmen were so familiar with the streets of Mumbai which "is known only to true-blood Mumbaikars" and the Nariman Jewish House is not a popular site "which even long-time residents of Colaba are unfamiliar with". (http://www.rediff.com/>) that they must have a neat instruction and detailed information. Besides, the ambush on the high ranking ATS officers need inside information.

The slow reaction of the commando may also say something. If there is a fire, who should be on site first? Firemen. What for a terror attack? A special squadron or a commando. But they came 36 hours after the gunmen occupied the Nariman House. Is that a big joke? For a fire, after 36 hours, only a ruin would have been left. Let alone this was a big one. All the world were reporting it. I think the ambush on ATS officers needed a team work. The delay gave the perpetrators time to make a retreat.

The phone cards that gunmen used were also reported from Indian police operative.

Quote, "Arrest Provides More Evidence India, Israel, and the U.S. Behind Mumbai Attacks
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
December 7, 2008

Mukhtar Ahmed is an Indian police operative who provided cell phone SIM cards to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan terrorist group blamed for the Mumbai attacks.

In other words, Indian intelligence had penetrated Lashkar-e-Taiba and ran a false flag operation through the terrorist group, putatively connected to Pakistan’s ISI.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6401

It's common that Feds monitor big heads such like former President Nixon and current Illinois Gov. Blagojevich. So they have more justification to monitor and infiltrate and manipulate the gang and terrorist group. Once they operated those group to do something illegal such like 911 attack and Mumbai attack, the media never tell you the truth. They gave a selected report and want you think the way they want you to.

577. Mumbai attack (3) (12/17/08)

On 11/27, in "574. November plot and internet censorship (11/27/08)", I have said already that Mumbai attack was a false flag attack done by India and US intelligence. Later information proves Israel's Mossad involved too.

I thought Feds had framed a case in the end of November. They arranged a three weeks trip for my brother's family. My brother would return on 11/30. If the case broke off, they would block the Bay Bridge, force one of my sisters to take the Bart which run through under sea tunnel and have a "terrorist bombing" there. This model repeated many times as I have mentioned before. Of course the "terror bombing"wouldn't take place in San Francisco Bay area only. Former soured plan indicates Feds was going to bomb 7 cities in US as a distract. This tactic we also saw in Mumbai attack.(gunmen attacked 10 places to cover up the main target) While the main plot took place near Nariman Jewish House, media concentrated to report the scene of Taj Mahal Hotel and Oberoi Hotel.

The phenomenon that Feds prepared false flag attack in later November:

1. On 11/20, Attorney General Michael Mukasey collapsed in a speech and was sent to the hospital. I think it was an intimidation. When Feds planed false flag terror attack in US, they would have scapegoat to take the responsibility. Those who was reluctant to approve the plan
would be punished by EM wave weapon.

2. On 11/26, with the big topic of "Mumbai terror attack", there was another news: "FBI warning: NewYork subway system may be attacked". The simultaneous warning is not a coincidence. It means Feds' false flag terror attack has been approved. Mumbai attack was used to justify the coming terror attack in US.

3. Another article, "Valley, deep ties to city in India" (San Jose Mercury, 11/27/08) also would justify terror bombing if Bay area was attacked. This model, also was a repeat of a similar case happened two years ago. (see "423. Mumbai bombing (7/25/06))

4. Two months ago, the Measure 298-117 of the US House approved the US to provide nuclear materials to India. I allege that's part of the deal that India carries out "terror attack" to US demand.

Other phenomenon Feds involved:

5. Convenient evidence. The captured gunman Mohammed Kasab (only survivor out of 10) plays the same role like Moussaoui to 911. (only survivor from 20) And media happened have clear pictures of him not others for you. His capture and the elimination of the high ranking officers of Mumbai ATS were the two events happened right at the beginning. That two events, were the most important things - 1. kill to stop an investigation. 2. to cover up a false flag attack with a convincible evidence. That was the priority of the perpetrator and was done in
first hand.

The attack was well designed, well trained, equipped with high tech. tools. Only it left with an obvious trace for people to track to an organization - Lashar-e-Taiba. If Lashar-e-Taiba doesn't want to take the responsibility as it says now, how could he think of everything but forgot to cover up its trace?

Lashar-e-Taiba is supported by Pakistan intelligence, may also infiltrated by US intelligence. What intelligence do? Their work is to manipulate all these terrorist, military group, or "opposition power". Lashar-e-Taiba may fight for the land of Kashmir against India, it has no motive to kill westerns. It doesn't make sense to set up more enemy. Who benefit from the event of "slaughter civilians and Americans and Britons"? It resembles the action of Al Qaida which bombs Iraqi civilians in Mosque and market - the purpose is to provoke the conflict between people and flame indignation against Islam.

6. The US media censored the most important information of Mumbai attack - the killing of the high ranking ATS officers who was uncovering a foreign intelligence involved terror case.

7. On 11/28, a team of FBI agents was sent to India to investigate the case. Consider criminal investigation is sensitive, relate to sovereignty of a country. The swift reaction - as easy as to go to its backyard - may indicate that US intelligence has already infiltrated into India's. Feds is the master.

When criminal becomes investigator, what result you can expect?