So I got a limit of 6k basically.

I want a car, thats the fastest, best handling for the price. Also not a car with so many miles that I gotta put more money into it.
Iv had suggestions and ideas, but I want more so I can finnaly figure out what car to get. Preferably manual transmission. I dont give a shit about looks either btw.

Boosted Miata

looks don't matter?
then, one of them subaru rally clone vehicles.
I forget the model.

This isn't absolute but look into the RX-7. It is fast with turbo and/or engine work and handles like a champ. Basically in that price you're looking at older RWD jap cars, some euros. If you don't care as much about handling you can always go american, something like a mustang or camaro or vette <- good choice if you can afford one.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t312/bradley_wayne07/76.jpg

the cheapest car to build up to be somewhat fast would be the fox body mustang notchback. they're really light, and are easily boosted or built up n/a. i've seen many built up, and ones that even took down cammed vipers. rx-7's are generally unreliable, and require major engine work for those rotaries.

for 6k a mustang or camaro is all thats affordable, cheap performance. miata could be built up, but you'd be looking at the early 90's NA miatas, and getting decent performance out of it is going to be expensive, but its handling would be pretty nice with the right parts.

another thing would be a mitsu starion / chrysler conquest if you could find one. those could be made pretty quick too, their motor is based off the evo motor, but 2.6l instead of 2.0l. its turbocharged too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/1987ChryslerConquestTSi.jpg

or to be different, you could get a cheap svt contour, they run from 3k to 6k, and put a vortech supercharger on it, easily making 280 hp to the wheels. also, those svt contours are pretty sleeper looking too.

http://www.stangbangers.com/SVT-Contour_Burnout.jpg

and this picture made me lol, but building a turbo bettle would cost more than 6k, not including the price of the donor vehicle.

http://www.stangbangers.com/BeetleBurnout.jpg

and this picture made me lol, but building a turbo bettle would cost more than 6k, not including the price of the donor vehicle.

http://www.stangbangers.com/BeetleBurnout.jpg

And at the end of the day you have a butt ugly looking chicks car.

But yeah, cheap reliable performance is the domain of the domestic v8.

And at the end of the day you have a butt ugly looking chicks car.

But yeah, cheap reliable performance is the domain of the domestic v8.


yep, thats why that picture made me laugh. although the new beetle platform is the same as the mk iv golf, jetta, and mk 1 audi tt, so performance isn't too hard to come by, the beetle turbo had the 1.8t (that 1.8t motor was originally an audi design, they introduced it in 1996 in the a4)

yep, thats why that picture made me laugh. although the new beetle platform is the same as the mk iv golf, jetta, and mk 1 audi tt, so performance isn't too hard to come by, the beetle turbo had the 1.8t (that 1.8t motor was originally an audi design, they introduced it in 1996 in the a4)

Hehe you're right, front wheel burnout pics make me think of the bmw ad that says something like 'we learned fwd was shit from a young age' with the pic of the kiddies big wheel.

Hehe you're right, front wheel burnout pics make me think of the bmw ad that says something like 'we learned fwd was shit from a young age' with the pic of the kiddies big wheel.

like this:

http://jarrod.miller.idx.com.au/macros/fwd_sucks.jpg

i saw a sticker that was similar. and one that had a bicycle and said rwd sucks, but it was on a riced out civic, junk yard mexican special, with three different colors on mis-matching body panels.

And at the end of the day you have a butt ugly looking chicks car.

But yeah, cheap reliable performance is the domain of the domestic v8.

He said handling.

Imo a Super Beetle or a Mk1 GTI would also be up there.

He wants something cheap & reliable with performance....
..not a bloody Volkswagen like you few guys suggest in every single thread, no matter what the OP is after!

He wants something cheap & reliable with performance....
..not a bloody Volkswagen like you few guys suggest in every single thread, no matter what the OP is after!

we?

sl is the only one who suggested a vw... RTFT before you start making assumptions. do you have anything to contribute? what would be a car for $6k usd including mods that would be fast and handle good? and it has to be available in the usa if you want to be relevant to the discussion at hand, instead of coming in and offering nothing except your attitude.....

i put a picture of the turbo beetle burn out for the lulz.

vw's arent cheap to make fast..... heck i didnt recommend one european branded vehicle. the closest thing to a euro is the ford contour svt (mondeo with a port and polish and tweak 2.5 v-6, body kit, and suspension work)

This isn't absolute but look into the RX-7. It is fast with turbo and/or engine work and handles like a champ. Basically in that price you're looking at older RWD jap cars, some euros. If you don't care as much about handling you can always go american, something like a mustang or camaro or vette <- good choice if you can afford one.

88 Fiero with an engine swap. An 88 can be bought for between 3 and 4 grand, with the leftover money being put towards either an L67 or 350 swap. Both are cheap and easilly available, although the 350 doesn't come with any FWD transmissions, so you need to do some work with an adaptor plate and make some other tranny work like a 4T60 or 4T60HD.

I'm not sure if the electronics are the same between the FWD and RWD transmissions (that being, the diagnostic systems and shifting lines, and anything else), but if they are equivalent, you could use a fuel injected 350 mated to a computer controlled tranny from an late model Chevy/GMC and use it with a 4T65E. Althernatively, you could use the 4T80E which is used alot in Cadillacs with Northstars.

we?

sl is the only one who suggested a vw... RTFT before you start making assumptions. do you have anything to contribute? what would be a car for $6k usd including mods that would be fast and handle good? and it has to be available in the usa if you want to be relevant to the discussion at hand, instead of coming in and offering nothing except your attitude.....

i put a picture of the turbo beetle burn out for the lulz.

vw's arent cheap to make fast..... heck i didnt recommend one european branded vehicle. the closest thing to a euro is the ford contour svt (mondeo with a port and polish and tweak 2.5 v-6, body kit, and suspension work)

That wasn't even anywhere near aimed at you partner. I was criticising those who suggest Golfs and Jettas in every single thread like this, regardless of it's suitability to the OP's outline. I get that these cats like those cars, and I don't have a problem with that. You'd have to be a shitstain on a beige carpet to have a problem with something like that.

Because you feel you must know, the reason I left a criticism in place of a suggestion it that what I would have said had already been said, and by someone who is more familiar with the thread starter's market than I am - which just so happened to be your post, jackarse.

I didn't single out SL, because SponsoredLink is not the only person that does this. Hence the use of "youse guise".

http://www.davesport.com/rally/images/ksimons.jpg

Turbo Dodge Omni!

Pug 205 GTi with an Mi16 swap. Sorted :cool:

Check out auctions in your area or even on the internet. A friend of mine bought a wrecked Lancer Evo for 9,000 and it only had 20k miles. Another 4,000 in body and engine work and it was on the road.

If you don't mind working on the car yourself you can save a lot of money, just make sure the damage to the car you buy can be fixed. By doing this you can find a car that would normally be expensive and with the money you save, repair it back to 100% and still have money left over.

Oldschool M5?

Boosted Miata

That's what popped into my head when I read the title

But apparently if you drive on in America, you're gay, despite it being in my opinion the best modern budget sportscar

That's what popped into my head when I read the title

But apparently if you drive on in America, you're gay, despite it being in my opinion the best modern budget sportscar

Probably something to do with it looking queerishly dull and having a female name.

This is a MUCH better body style:
http://www.miata.net/news/images/MiataCoupe2.jpg

Looks alot like the Ferrari 360.

I like the series 1 MX5 (doesn't have a gay name over here, it has a proper 'meaningless letters and numbers' name, like all British sports cars)

The Series 1s look almost identical to Lotus Elans...

http://www.nevintage.com/images/jeffslotus0002.JPG
MX5

http://mx5hoods.co.uk/images/mk1-pic.jpg
Elan

Ye, sorry for not mentioning that I live in USA.

the MX-5 sounds like a good option right now, gotta do more research into it. Thanks for the replies, they helped, feel free to add anymore.

a used 2006 or 2007 mustang

I am going to recommend a 1993 twin turbo 300zx with boost controller, catless exhaust, an ECU upgrade, and an intercooler if you have some cash to spare. Cheap, fast, and not as visually offensive as some of the prior recommendations. Good luck in your quest for speed!

Boosted Miata - almost a decent idea, the handling will be good, the straight line performance will take a little more work, and probably more than $6k to build it properly.

Subaru anything will cost you more than $6k.

RX7 will explode.

Fox Mustangs are kinda ugly, but unquestionably the best choice for performance of any kind on a cheap budget.

StarQuest? Have fun working on it almost as often as an RX7...

Contour, lol.

Fiero would need an engine swap to perform worth a damn, if the OP is up for that kind of work it could be a good choice. I want to see an FWD Lincoln Continental drivetrain swapped into one, (same 4v 4.6 as the Cobra/Mach 1/MarkVIII.)

Turbo Omnis are fun little bastards, and the Mopar 2.2T is cheap to build and fairly reliable.

Im gonna wear my flame suit for this one.

Get a 90-94 mitsubishi eclipse/eagle talon/plymouth laser. You can pick an awd turbo for about 1500. It might need a little work on it but it can be reliable if you maintain it properly. I dunno if you get snow where youre at but mine handles pretty well in the snow. It gets about 20mpg if you stay out of the boost and is an overall great car if youre looking for quick and cheap. Engine rebuilds run around 500 bucks if you do the work yourself. Its really not as hard to work on them too.

I thought that Dodge Omnis were rebadged Talbot Sunbeams, but unfortunately not.

Omnis were designed by Simca and in Europe very harsh thrashy French engines. I think in America they had Chysler K- engines. The worst thing about these cars is that they are front wheel drive! And have very soft suspension too, the French are almost as notorious for it as the Americans

Sunbeams were based on the Hillman/Rootes-Chrysler Avenger and were rear-wheel drive, and handled incredibly well.

They look bloody similar though...

I thought that Dodge Omnis were rebadged Talbot Sunbeams, but unfortunately not.

Omnis were designed by Simca and in Europe very harsh thrashy French engines. I think in America they had Chysler K- engines. The worst thing about these cars is that they are front wheel drive! And have very soft suspension too, the French are almost as notorious for it as the Americans

Sunbeams were based on the Hillman/Rootes-Chrysler Avenger and were rear-wheel drive, and handled incredibly well.

They look bloody similar though...

the omni is a sister car of the talbot horizon. shelby made a hot hatch version in the late 80s
there was the shelby GLH (goes like hell) and shelby GLHS (goes like hell somemore):

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1695/21/4235010102_large.jpg

175 hp 175 ft/lb and 2200 lbs of torque steering fwd fun.

shelby also did up a dodge shadow, called the shelby csx. they had a csx-vnt, the first production car with a variable geometry turbo, like the new 911 has. 175 hp and 205 ft/lb at full bost at 2100 rpm. weighted 2600 lbs..

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1695/21/4235010108_large.jpg

They look funny, but the turbo models were in the 15s in the 1/4 right off the lot.

Corolla/Pulsar/shitty hatchback with turbo fitted, Silvia (turbo), old Soarer (twin turbo) or get a Datsun/Gemini and jam a 4cyl Japanese turbo engine in there.

yeah, you live in perth for sure. ^^^

RX7 will explode.

Boost goes in, seals come out. That's what Mazda is all about.

Boost goes in, seals come out. That's what Mazda is all about.

Dont say that. Ive got an FD in my garage that Im afraid to drive for this exact reason.

Ex-Police Crown Victoria - $2500
Blower - $2000

Dont say that. Ive got an FD in my garage that Im afraid to drive for this exact reason.

Kaboom.

Kaboom.

I took it out for a spin today. rwd doesnt work out too well in the snow. especially on the bf goodrich g-force tires that are on it. It would start spinning the tires at 1200rpm. I think its gonna be garaged until the snow melts. DSM FTW!!!

I took it out for a spin today. rwd doesnt work out too well in the snow. especially on the bf goodrich g-force tires that are on it. It would start spinning the tires at 1200rpm. I think its gonna be garaged until the snow melts. DSM FTW!!!

I know that feeling. Every road in the city was covered with ice the other day. I was 4 wheel drifting around my apartment complex.

For fuck sake, please stop suggesting Yank Tank American drivel in this thread - The OP has mentioned HANDLING in his original post meaning that he intends on actually taking corners with the bloody , something that a Crown Victoria with a supercharger and stock suspension isn't going to be able to do very well...

To the OP, your budget seems a little tight to get a car that will be able to handle well and go in a straight line rapidly. Decide which is the most important and we can go from there, but I am selling you now if a great driving experience is what you are after, you are seriously going to struggle to top a MX5/Miata.

An E30 3 series BMW 325i or MK3 Toyota Supra could be an idea

As for the idiot going on at SL for suggesting a FWD VW you are well... an idiot. The MK1 Golf GTi is without a doubt one of the best handling cars ever, EVER made. You have just proven to be why the hothatch revolution never caught on in the states - Because your country is too fucking stupid to realize that straight line performance isn't the be all and fucking end all of a cars performance. Maybe if VW had pandered to you morons* and fitted a 700bhp engine so it could haul your fat American arse across a 1/4 mile distance in under 11 seconds you'd have LOVED it, but you see, that would have defeated the whole point of the pissing car in the first place - To show that you don't need a massive amount of horsepower to have a fun car, but obviously your country missed that? Maybe you were too busy stuffing your faces with a box of Krispy Kremes?

(*That isn't against ALL Americans, just the ones who read a "performance car under $xxxxxx" thread title without even reading the original post and automatically post something along the lines of "lulz, V8.".)

The MK1 Golf GTi is without a doubt one of the best handling cars ever, EVER made

It's still FWD...

It's still FWD...

I'm not going to get into a argument with you about drivetrains. Knowing you, you'll claim that a fiero is the best handling car in the world because it's MR like a F1 car :p.

But seriously, what wheels that are and are not driven do not take away from the excellent recipe of the GTi. If could cook you the best tasting cake in the world, would the fact that the recipe stated that I needed to take a shit in it to make it taste that good take away from the favour? No. If the product is turely remarkable, who cares about the recipe?

Anti american garbage

Problem with buying a tiny engined euro car is parts are ridiculously expensive, same with jap stuff, whereas american stuff he'd be just about tripping over. And to make either competitive with a cheap v8 you're going to need more money. Just looking up the specs of the e30 and mk3, they have no power and no torque, certainly less than even a stock v8. (inb4 'but the american car weighs 30 tons so it doesnt matter)The guy said its gotta be reliable too. A mild v8 is going to be more reliable full stop than a cheap but worked euro or jap car. As long as he doesn't get a land barge he should be able to make it go round corners alright as well. Just means he's limited to stuff like camaros/mustangs etc that are small-ish and performance oriented anyway.
People aren't bleating on about american v8s for no reason, its because they are the tried and tested way of the most reliable, cheapest performance.

Quick question. Let's see if fucking sleuth here can figure out why fucking IMPORT PARTS are more fucking expensive than goddamn domestic parts? Einstein DIED trying to figure that fucking conundrum out, asshole.

Quick question. Let's see if fucking sleuth here can figure out why fucking IMPORT PARTS are more fucking expensive than goddamn domestic parts? Einstein DIED trying to figure that fucking conundrum out, asshole.

Freight? Import taxes? Wtf gives.

Quick question. Let's see if fucking sleuth here can figure out why fucking IMPORT PARTS are more fucking expensive than goddamn domestic parts? Einstein DIED trying to figure that fucking conundrum out, asshole.

What the fuck are you, an idiot?

What Ed Lister said is a slightly more basic version of reality (there can be even more taxes IRL), and it's almost (almost, because there are exceptions where free trade agreements exist IN COMBINATION with government or manufacturer subsidies) the case that you can't buy ANYTHING imported cheaper than it's domestic counterpart unless it's of a lesser quality.

Additionally, pretty much every import car you can think of is completely unsuitable. Not just partly, but completely. The part where you euro fans can't face facts is where you come undone and are shown as fanboys, not enthusiasts.

And what thunderstruck said is poignant, especially this part:
People aren't bleating on about american v8s for no reason, its because they are the tried and tested way of the most reliable, cheapest performance.

PMS

Can't you just get the fuck out? No one likes you, and you don't contribute anything. All you do is bitch and whine and argue with people. You're like a fucking 2 year old.

Are you really so un-manly that you have to argue with anything and everything?

What the fuck are you, an idiot?

What Ed Lister said is a slightly more basic version of reality (there can be even more taxes IRL), and it's almost (almost, because there are exceptions where free trade agreements exist IN COMBINATION with government or manufacturer subsidies) the case that you can't buy ANYTHING imported cheaper than it's domestic counterpart unless it's of a lesser quality.

Additionally, pretty much every import car you can think of is completely unsuitable. Not just partly, but completely. The part where you euro fans can't face facts is where you come undone and are shown as fanboys, not enthusiasts.

And what thunderstruck said is poignant, especially this part:

Except for the fact that anything imported will be more expensive than something domestic. If a factory in China and one in Long beach make the same pants, and the Californian ones are cheaper, but the domestic. But if the Chinese ones give you a handjob while wearing them, buy the Chinese one.

I'm not going to get into a argument with you about drivetrains. Knowing you, you'll claim that a fiero is the best handling car in the world because it's MR like a F1 car :p.

Iron. You know it not.

Except for the fact that anything imported will be more expensive than something domestic. If a factory in China and one in Long beach make the same pants, and the Californian ones are cheaper, but the domestic. But if the Chinese ones give you a handjob while wearing them, buy the Chinese one.

There really should be no arguement here. Importation costs are but one of the many marketing reasons that X part costs Y dollars. Where is it coming from? What is it? What is it made of? How do you make it? Et cetera.

I'm saying there's no point in saying German cars are shittier than Korean cars if you live in Korea and Koreans are cheaper. That doesn't change the fact that a Hyundai is a (relatively) poor car when put next to a C63.

@Midnightrider384: Fuuuuuck, not again. Not more of this drama bullshit. You girly faggots are killing gearheads with your serious business keyboard warrior bullshit.

All you do is bitch and whine and argue with people. You're like a fucking 2 year old.


How many serious "wah wahwaaaah wah" dramafaggot posts of your are we going to have to read before you decide we don't deserve your presence and leave? I've lost count now on how many I've read, but this certainly isn't the first. I can't wait to see the end of the moronic slimetrail you leave.

Can't you just get the fuck out? No one likes you..

You're the outsider here, and that's evident in that you've made a mistake of thinking nobody likes me. Regulars here argue and 'fight' all the time. That's how we roll. We take it in our stride too, because we're not pissweak faggots such as yourself who's feelings would be offended by the wrong kinda Feng Shui in the room. We know no ill blood is meant. Sometimes someone will cross the line and might get a smack in the face or an arguement might break out furrilz, but that's rare and often short lived.

Gearheads is like what a bunch of guys sitting around drinking and talking about cars would be in real life, giving and taking shit from each other, without at all being serious. I can't see how I'm not part of that, and in fact find your comment to be ironic as you're like some kinda faggot with a broom up your arse who tries to join in but fails miserably because you don't know how. You're too serious and your fragile girl-like feelings are offended, which stagnates the fun and begins to piss people off.

You're bringing us all down with your bullshit. So, like as it would be so in real life, you can either suck it up and grab a real drink and talk shit with us (and your transgressions will soon be forgotten), or one or more of us will clearly show you you're not welcome and take you outside for a good old fashioned lecture. I think that's the point we're at right now. Next comes the beatdown.

So remember, you're the outsider. Shape up or ship out / grow a fucking set of balls / learn not to take yourself seriously, because we don't take you seriously / build a bridge and get over yourself / etc.

...and you don't contribute anything.

I don't know how everyone else feels, so I can't say with absolute you're not accepted here, but I definitely don't 'recognise' you as one of us. I haven't seen you show that you're ready to be a regular here, and will consider you an outsider until I do see you succeed in the trial by fire. And you're actually beginning to be a moodkill, which pisses me off when I come on here to relax. Some people aren't fucktards so I am ready to accept them as a bro after just two or three posts.

As an outsider, you're hardly in your place to make a comment such at that (and on that note, the proposition of saying this might stroke some of the other regulars and even lurkers in here as ludicrously ironic and unsound of a move if they're not aware of my past here, etc. Most of them would have thoroughly suspected it enough to have assumed as much by reading this post though. Don't ask why the name change.) But I will entiguish it by simply pointing out that I've contributed (easily) ten times as much as you and your boyfriend citizenuzi have combined.

I shun you, and your attempts to come in here and act like you own the place when you hardly even own the fucking right to post here.


Are you really so un-manly that you have to argue with anything and everything?

Hey man, I don't feel like I need to assert my manliness (however the fuck that comes in) in here. I only need to assert that you're out of line. I don't have to prove shit, and I don't have shit to prove.

You're a fucking tosser. Just suck it up already.

Yeah. Don't mean to fuck up your pissing contest.

How bout an Ex-Cop Crown Vic with a Supercharger? Total, $4000-$5500.

Except for the fact that anything imported will be more expensive than something domestic. If a factory in China and one in Long beach make the same pants, and the Californian ones are cheaper, but the domestic. But if the Chinese ones give you a handjob while wearing them, buy the Chinese one.

I can't decipher that mate. :confused:

I'm saying there's no point in saying German cars are shittier than Korean cars if you live in Korea and Koreans are cheaper. That doesn't change the fact that a Hyundai is a (relatively) poor car when put next to a C63.

That's not what you were saying (:confuse:), and thusly it's not what thunderstruck and I were debating with you over. You said "Quick question. Let's see if fucking sleuth here can figure out why fucking IMPORT PARTS are more fucking expensive than goddamn domestic parts? Einstein DIED trying to figure that fucking conundrum out, asshole. ". Trying to pull a fast one here with a topic change, or was that post somehow misinterpreted. It looked pretty fucking blunt to me, so I don't know what you're on about now..

Who said the Import cars / Volkswagen Golf was 'shitter' than Domestics? I know I didn't! Re-read my post if that's what you think. I didn't say anything abot quality, but only commented on what matters most in this context: SUITABILITY.

The OP asked for a car that he can find without too much hassle, for under six grand and it MUST INCLUDE performance, reliability (which also naturally includes cost of repair, if you're thinking what he's thinking), and be fast.

Your suggestion didn't fit any of that criteria, and thus it's unsuitable. What don't you understand about that bit?

All of that, too, I clearly explained in my first post in this thread. The one where I quoted you and ragged on you about suggesting Golfs, Jettas, and other shit all the time. Then in my followup post to that I had to explain to some dumbarses that I wasn't dissing you guys or the cars themselves, but something about "context (which was suitability) motherfucker: do you understand it?".

This is like the 4th time this thread I've had to re-iterate (which means explain clearly) what I have been saying the whole time. That's pretty bad ratio, considering I've only made enough posts to count on one hand.

Yes, because Miatias, MK1 GTIs, and the like are so hard to work on, right?

Yes, because Miatias, MK1 GTIs, and the like are so hard to work on, right?

Mk I GTI (remember, I made the comment before the Miata was suggested:

[_] Performance
[√] Reliability
[_] Maintenance / Affordable parts (as an extension of reliability, because even cars considered reliable need parts).
[_] Fast
[_] Handles well (compared to all other cars you can get for $6000, it's only mediocre).

As a matter of completion, here is the suitability of a MX-5 (which I arrogantly refuse to call a Miata even though that's it's proper name in the US):

[_] Performance
[√] Reliability
[√] Maintenance / Affordable parts (as an extension of reliability, because even cars considered reliable need parts).
[_] Fast
[√] Handles well

Yeah. Don't mean to fuck up your pissing contest.

How bout an Ex-Cop Crown Vic with a Supercharger? Total, $4000-$5500.

Actually not too bad of an idea. I don't have any numbers, but mine handles is pretty damn good considering the police package springs make it about as high as a 4x4. With an 01-03 PI headed Vic as a starting point I think a forged bottom end and centri SC could be done for $6k including the car..

I think it would get all 5 check marks, 20psi down it's throat and even a 2v modular will move, probably the most reliable car produced today, cheap parts for obvious reasons, fast is pretty much the same as performance, and the only iffy one would be the last one.

Mk I GTI (remember, I made the comment before the Miata was suggested:

[_] Performance
[√] Reliability
[_] Maintenance / Affordable parts (as an extension of reliability, because even cars considered reliable need parts).
[_] Fast
[_] Handles well (compared to all other cars you can get for $6000, it's only mediocre).

Yes, because you can't build a 200 hp 1.8t for under 1500, right? And I recommended the Miata in the first reply in the thread.

Actually not too bad of an idea. I don't have any numbers, but mine handles is pretty damn good considering the police package springs make it about as high as a 4x4. With an 01-03 PI headed Vic as a starting point I think a forged bottom end and centri SC could be done for $6k including the car..

I think it would get all 5 check marks, 20psi down it's throat and even a 2v modular will move, probably the most reliable car produced today, cheap parts for obvious reasons, fast is pretty much the same as performance, and the only iffy one would be the last one.

Not sure how good your acceleration would be with a supercharger. It's so-so stock. The acceleration from 80 and beyond is what is slow.

The last one, sort of depends what you mean by handling. It's cornering ability probably isn't as good as it's forgiveness to minor errors. It's a long, heavy car. It's designed to be able to take heavy abuse, be easy to drive, but still cruise nice on the highway.

^ The crown vic can be streetable with 350-450hp without too much difficulty. With a good rear end and tires, you're gonna go pretty fast. One of the reasons they are sluggish above 80mph is the gears.

As for handling, they are always going to be big, heavy cars. With the police package they are actually better than one might think.... if someone was to invest in some good rubber and minor suspension tuning I think they'd be pleasantly surprised. But it'll never be a lotus, ya know?

I've wanted a newer ex-service one for a while.... black on black with black wheels, a bullbar, a spotlight and an antenna..... I'll never get stuck behind some jerkoff going 55mph on the turnpike again! (Plus bonus hilarity freaking out the local youth, speeders and drug dealers)

My vic cant out handle my Z but its rear is the most forgiving rear ive ever driven, no other car has been able to slide around a corner and recover almost automatically like my vic, also for what its worth coming back from comicon on the 299(hella twisty road in northern california) i caught up to and passed an 08 lexus 460, guy was unable to keep up and looked hella pissed.