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Dread_Lord
2008-12-19, 01:13
Has anyone considered a plastique Thermite? Does such a thing exist?
I realize the applications may not be huge or that it's a very practical thing in the first place but I am curious.
I just realized how misleading the topic title is. I mean, in general, mixing Thermite with platic, of course.
My main thoughts now aren't on just plastic but mixing it with a Napalm variant. Probably Polystyrene based but with variants in the fuel. For example instead of Benzene and Gasoline I might be adding nitro methane and encapsulating the Thermite in shavings of Magnesium. I am not convinced simply mixing it in will work as efficiently.
Any thoughts?
Omfg, it just occurred to me. If this were to work and I put it in a Molotov cocktail I would be breaking some kind of record here on Totse. Thermite, Napalm, and Molotov's, it's almost the work of god.
Mokothar
2008-12-19, 11:56
So ... you want to mix thermite with "a" plastic, not the explosive plastique?
Well, there's been attempts of mixing thermite with acrylic, but it didn't work any better than just putting the stuff into an envelope as far as "keeping it toghether" was concerned.
You're also not the first one to think of thermite molotovs, now if only there was someone here with a vast knowledge of incendiaries and slowburning compositions to tell you how to make that work ...
Bump in the night
2008-12-19, 20:36
According to this (http://how2dostuff.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-make-thermite.html) guide it can be done via mixing it with clay or play doh
Dread_Lord
2008-12-19, 21:47
You're also not the first one to think of thermite molotovs,
Yes but not Napalm infused with Thermite in a Molotov cocktail.
According to this guide it can be done via mixing it with clay or play doh
Wouldn't putting it in clay harden the clay?
warweed12
2008-12-20, 19:21
i have this feeling that if you were to thicken a petroleium product and you had a hermogonous mixture of iron oxide and aluminum you would need to have a high percentage of magnesium to bring heat to this all .. problem is you also need to have ALOT of thermite in you molitov ... it is going to be like a big runny metalic paste now weither or not the flame from the moltive ignites the magnesium or not diffrent story but for sure worth a shot try dry mixtures magnesium and thermite and see if you can come up with a descent flame sensative mixture
deathDiver
2008-12-29, 11:04
have to say the idea is really not new, but kinda cool to muse over. i really have to ask what you are going to use it for really. I honestly think any tactical use of thermite that could be used in a moldable is done in faster ways really.
however i think that a plaster mix could work okish..i think the water in the mix would cause a steam explosion and send slag everyplace if you were thinking of a mix and light thing.
If it's a Molotov it needs to fly and break... Just putting thermite in a bottle does not classify it as a Molotov imo.
Sentinel
2008-12-31, 20:46
This thread makes me :(
First of all, of what use would it be? Second of all, it would be hard, if not impossible, to add enough of an inert filler to make it plastic, but still have the iron oxide and Al still in good contact.
InspiredByMe
2008-12-31, 23:37
This thread makes me :(
First of all, of what use would it be?
You can't think of one idea? I can think of many.
Sentinel
2009-01-01, 05:17
I mean things that you couldn't use normal thermite for anyways. No matter what, once the thermite gets going, the molten iron goes DOWN. Ain't no special kind of clay gonna change the laws of gravity.
Dread_Lord
2009-01-01, 05:36
I mean things that you couldn't use normal thermite for anyways. No matter what, once the thermite gets going, the molten iron goes DOWN. Ain't no special kind of clay gonna change the laws of gravity.
I realize that which is why I pointed out that there really was no purpose for it.
The Molotove, Napalm, & Thermite idea, however. That's another story. Molotov's have but a couple purposes and enhancing them seems like an awesome idea. It may not be my own but I have never heard of anything like the mixture I am proposing. Burning fuel is one thing but molten metal mixed with sticky burning plastic is so much more destructive in almost all situations.
I realize that which is why I pointed out that there really was no purpose for it.
The Molotove, Napalm, & Thermite idea, however. That's another story. Molotov's have but a couple purposes and enhancing them seems like an awesome idea. It may not be my own but I have never heard of anything like the mixture I am proposing. Burning fuel is one thing but molten metal mixed with sticky burning plastic is so much more destructive in almost all situations.
Thermite needs a very high temperature to ignite, which is why we use magnesium strips. It needs to stay in a relatively large mass and close together inorder for it to be flamable. Molotovs use a highly flamable liquid that would spread when the glass breaks, the only way you'd be able to ignite thermite in a bottle is if you have it in a still position and light it via Mg strips which would disqualify it as a "molotov".
Dread_Lord
2009-01-01, 19:10
Thermite needs a very high temperature to ignite, which is why we use magnesium strips. It needs to stay in a relatively large mass and close together inorder for it to be flamable. Molotovs use a highly flamable liquid that would spread when the glass breaks, the only way you'd be able to ignite thermite in a bottle is if you have it in a still position and light it via Mg strips which would disqualify it as a "molotov".
I considered all of that which is why instead of strips I am thinking you would have to encase the Thermite inside of magnesium capsules roughly the size of half a thumb. The Fuel should burn hot enough to ignite the magnesium.
Sentinel
2009-01-02, 01:53
Yes, but the end result would be silly and pointless. You'd get exactly the same result if you lit some normal thermite, then threw a normal Molotov cocktail. Neither would enhace the other.
Dread_Lord
2009-01-02, 02:35
Yes, but the end result would be silly and pointless. You'd get exactly the same result if you lit some normal thermite, then threw a normal Molotov cocktail. Neither would enhace the other.
That's not the point at all. Obviously this isn't going to replace a Thermite grenade.
wolfy_9005
2009-01-03, 05:25
We managed to light thermite at school using potassium chlorate and sugar, then using a match to light it. Give you idea's?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket <---owns your molotov cocktail :p
Dread_Lord
2009-01-03, 08:14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket <---owns your molotov cocktail :p
Well yeah, it's a fucking cluster bomb.
InspiredByMe
2009-01-03, 22:15
We managed to light thermite at school using potassium chlorate and sugar, then using a match to light it.
You can ignite this mix with sulfuric acid to...this should give you an idea.
It is really simple....you should be able to figure it out.