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The_Savage
2008-12-19, 10:45
The Remington 7615P that I’ve had my eye on for a while arrived yesterday after much waiting (Remember what it was like to be 6 years old and a week away from Christmas? :D ). Although I would of preferred the version with either the solid pistol grip or M4 style stock this one is wearing the plain rifle stock with a 16.5” barrel and Wilson combat ghost ring sights. And although it states on the back of the book and on the box (been crossed out with black marker) “SFSS WITH ADDITIONAL MAGAZINE” it only come with one magazine. I’d like to hear from any yanks that have bought these because I have a feeling the gun shops here are taking the spares out and selling them for $125 each.

Out of the box the first thing you notice is the weight, it’s a lot heavier than I thought it would be, roughly 4.0kg (8.8lbs) but the balance it’s pretty good. Secondly the pump is farther away than what I find comfortable, if it could be made so the stroke is 2” or so shorter it would be quite comfortable, considering that I’m 6’4” tall I imagine this would be a pain in the ass for females or shorter people.

Now onto the sights, The rear aperture is quite large as is the front sight which also sports a white dot, Both of which make the sights fast and easy to line up in low light but also make them pretty much worthless for precision shooting. I’ve chose to mount a scope in Leupold QRW rings so it can be removed and replaced without much loss of zero letting me use the irons for close stuff and a scope for farther away and night shooting, The scope that is currently on it will be replaced with a low power variable once I have the money but I kinda did a number on my bank account buying the rifle, mags, mounts ect so for now it’s stuck with a $100 6x40mm that was on my .22 magnum, the crosshairs are quite thick and completely covers the 1moa dots I use for targets, which isn’t good when you’re trying to shoot groups.
The trigger is quite heavy and is taking some getting used to after shooting bolt guns with good triggers for so long, I’ve fired around 100 rounds out of it so far and still find I’m pulling shots slightly low and to the left, I think I’ll be taking it to a gunsmith in the near future and getting it lightened to around 3lbs. I don’t have a trigger scale but I’m guessing it’s currently around the 6 - 8lbs mark.

The factory 10 round magazine has worked flawlessly so far, however it doesn’t drop free when the button is pushed, I have to pull it out. The two aftermarket magazines I bought for it both drop free when the button is pushed however one of them jams every round (hoping someone can give me advice on this), the follower seems to snag at the back leaving the rounds pointed slightly up so the bolt skims over the case head and badly dents or bends the round, I pulled it apart last night (I couldn’t work out how to get the follower out without bending the lips that hold the plate on?) but inside it is perfectly clean, I tried turning the spring around to see if it would make a difference but still no joy.

The action, while it does feel kind of fragile (that isn’t the right word for it but I don’t know another way to put it) when you first pick it up seems to like being worked hard and fast and if you baby it, it will jam almost every time. Apart from that I can’t really tell you much at the moment since I’ve yet to field strip it and still haven’t put many rounds through it.

The barrel is a 16.5” sporter profile (some people call it a semi-bull barrel, I wouldn’t) chambered for 5.56mm NATO with a 1:10” twist which should handle 69gr SMKs without any problems, A 1:8” would have been nice but given the short barrel 77gr bullets would probably have a rather sedate velocity anyway. One major flaw I see in the 7615 design is that cleaning from chamber-to-muzzle is impossible, currently I haven’t been able to find a bore guide for it so cleaning sessions send shivers down my spine.

I’ve yet to do any kind of serious accuracy testing because of the trigger and scope plus the barrel still wouldn’t be broken in yet, I fired off a couple of 3 shot groups at 100y with Winchester 55gr Factory loads that measured around the 2” mark, but I know for a fact I caused some of that dispersion. All in all I’m quite happy with it so far, and it should perform well as a spotlighting rifle where you often use over 100 rounds in a night with a max range of around 200y and you sometimes have the opportunity to drop 3 or 4 one after the other in quick succession. I need another 50 kills to reach my target for this week so it will probably get a “field test” tomorrow night.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/action_closed.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/action_open.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/left_side.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/7615_vs_700tac.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/scoped.jpg

Edit:
I should add that I needed High rings for the scope to clear the rear sight and even with those i only have about 0.5mm clearance, you'd probably have dramas if you tried to mount a variable with a large power ring.

Random_Looney
2008-12-19, 11:09
Cool. I love range reports.

ilovechronic
2008-12-19, 20:11
I had a mag that would not drop free out of my AR15. i fixed the problem by filing down where it catches. Does this use AR mags? The mags and mag well look very similar to an AR.
"HEY, WHY DID YOU COVER THE SERIAL NUMBER YOU MUST BE A CRIMINAL WHAT ARE YOU HIDING TELL US RIGHT NOW OR WE WILL CALL THE ATF ON YOU!" (this is a joke making fun of martian luger king)

ok do you see where the catch is on the mag? Take a file and file the part that protrudes or bubbles out. that should fix your prob. Do a little, and test it, do a little and test it.
Dude, your cat is awsome:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/Tman_couch.jpg

The_Savage
2008-12-20, 00:54
Thankyou, that's T-man :D .

Yup, the mags and mag well are both std AR setups, I noticed the bubble on the factory one was bigger but didn't give it much thought, i'll try what you said in a bit ;) . Any ideas what is making the other one screw up? I'm thinking about ordering a new follower and spring, also how the hell do you get the follower out of the mag? do you have to use pliers to bend the lips that hold the base plate on?

The weather should be good tonight so i'll be able to give it a good test and see how my brass catcher works (made from two coat hangers, some scrap material and 2.5 hours of sewing by hand :D )

reggie_love
2008-12-20, 01:21
That things pretty cool.

I was unaware that they made readily accessible pump action rifles, let alone with detachable magazines.

Maybe I'll invest in one.

ilovechronic
2008-12-20, 01:26
That things pretty cool.

I was unaware that they made readily accessible pump action rifles, let alone with detachable magazines.

Maybe I'll invest in one.

Shit if it takes ar15 mags order yourself some 30 or 20 round mags. www.tapco.com has some decent cheap 20 and 30 round mags. They are green follower 12.99. Mine have functioned flawlessly.
As for the othr mags. to check if it is the follower you could take it out the the mag that doesn't jam and test switch it and then test it. Are these aftermarket 30 round mags? If you are odering new followers just order anti tilt folllowers to up grade your mags. But I would I can gurentee that tapco mags atleast function perfect i an ar15.

The_Savage
2008-12-20, 01:36
If i could buy them, I would of rathered an AR since from what i hear you can get a cheap AR in the US for around the same price as one of these new. But for people who can't get semis they seem like a good choice.

Hey, Since it's pump, could to trick it out with flash hider, barrel shroud, bayonet lug, 100 round drum mag, folding stock ect and still take it to a CA range? I'd love to see the look on the hippies faces :D .

ilovechronic
2008-12-20, 02:02
If i could buy them, I would of rathered an AR since from what i hear you can get a cheap AR in the US for around the same price as one of these new. But for people who can't get semis they seem like a good choice.

Hey, Since it's pump, could to trick it out with flash hider, barrel shroud, bayonet lug, 100 round drum mag, folding stock ect and still take it to a CA range? I'd love to see the look on the hippies faces :D . I suppose it would be legal as long as those items are not prohibited. Is the law that they are prohibited on the assualt weapons or are the prohibited either way?

Are you in cali? or another country?

Gold n Green
2008-12-20, 04:48
"This is the awesomest range report i've ever read, Savage, yo mah hero!"

The_Savage
2008-12-20, 04:51
I'm in Australia, so legally i can only own 10 round mags. I was going to swap the follower out like you said but can't get the damn thing out and i don't want to bend the lips holding the base plate on unless i know they're ment to be bent.


"This is the awesomest range report i've ever read, Savage, yo mah hero!"
haha, you're back then? :p

LavaRed
2008-12-20, 15:05
I like your gun. :D.
Now on the follower that gets stuck, try sanding down the part where it gets stuck a little bit. Use 220 sandpaper. For the stuck mag, do what ilovechronic says.
I really like that rifle. My congrats.

The Swede
2008-12-20, 15:12
Really sexy rifle!

How complicated is a pump action rifle v.s semi auto v.s repeater in terms of parts and mechanism?

ilovechronic
2008-12-20, 22:15
I'm in Australia, so legally i can only own 10 round mags. I was going to swap the follower out like you said but can't get the damn thing out and i don't want to bend the lips holding the base plate on unless i know they're ment to be bent.



haha, you're back then? :p

You have to push the spring through the little hole on the bottom. That should release it.

Really sexy rifle!

How complicated is a pump action rifle v.s semi auto v.s repeater in terms of parts and mechanism?

I am pretty sure it is just a shutgun pump action that has been retrofitted for rifle rounds. If you look at the receiver you can definetly see the shotgun look of it.

LavaRed
2008-12-21, 02:12
You have to push the spring through the little hole on the bottom. That should release it.



I am pretty sure it is just a shutgun pump action that has been retrofitted for rifle rounds. If you look at the receiver you can definetly see the shotgun look of it.

Actually its the 742 semi-auto action minus the gas port, with a pump handle on what is the piston beneath the barrel. I know this because when I first disassembled my 742, my first though was that with little work it could become a pump-action.

Groundhog whacka
2008-12-21, 04:25
T_S I am assuming the trigger is pretty well the same as my Rem 870 and 760 pump guns. If thats the case there's no need to go to a smith for your trigger work. All you have to do is pull the trigger group out and replace a spring.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/870triggergroup.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/760triggergroup.jpg
The first pic is my 870 and the second the 760. The trigger on my shotgun is better than the one on my 760 but I did a little polishing work on the hammer and sear too. I just experimented with different springs until I found one that light enough but still safe. The trigger on my shotgun is sweeeeet. Not quite on par with my varmint guns but pretty close.
Keep the original spring around just in case. Mine sat on my toolbox at work for a while then disappeared. It would be nice to have the original in most of the time then swap it out when deer season comes around, but I am used to the very light trigger pull so it doesn't bother me. I just got in the habit of checking to make sure the safety is on repeatedly.

ilovechronic
2008-12-21, 04:31
T_S I am assuming the trigger is pretty well the same as my Rem 870 and 760 pump guns. If thats the case there's no need to go to a smith for your trigger work. All you have to do is pull the trigger group out and replace a spring.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/870triggergroup.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/760triggergroup.jpg
The first pic is my 870 and the second the 760. The trigger on my shotgun is better than the one on my 760 but I did a little polishing work on the hammer and sear too. I just experimented with different springs until I found one that light enough but still safe. The trigger on my shotgun is sweeeeet. Not quite on par with my varmint guns but pretty close.
Keep the original spring around just in case. Mine sat on my toolbox at work for a while then disappeared. It would be nice to have the original in most of the time then swap it out when deer season comes around, but I am used to the very light trigger pull so it doesn't bother me. I just got in the habit of checking to make sure the safety is on repeatedly.

Midwayusa.com should have a replacement for you.

Groundhog whacka
2008-12-21, 04:52
Midwayusa.com should have a replacement for you.
As I said, I am so used to it the light trigger doesn't bother me a bit. But the last time we shot clays my sister picked it up to shoot it. She called "pull" and when she went to shoulder the gun she put a shot into the dirt about 10 feet in front of her. Even after I reminded her not to put her finger on the trigger until she was ready to shoot.

Gold n Green
2008-12-21, 05:36
It's way sexier without the scope.

ilovechronic
2008-12-21, 07:09
As I said, I am so used to it the light trigger doesn't bother me a bit. But the last time we shot clays my sister picked it up to shoot it. She called "pull" and when she went to shoulder the gun she put a shot into the dirt about 10 feet in front of her. Even after I reminded her not to put her finger on the trigger until she was ready to shoot.oh i am just saying if you wanted to get a replacement for the spring you lost in your tool box since you said it would be good to keep oth springs around.

The Swede
2008-12-21, 12:14
chronic and lava:
That dosen't really answer my question:rolleyes::p

5.56 SS109
2008-12-21, 13:26
Really sexy rifle!

How complicated is a pump action rifle v.s semi auto v.s repeater in terms of parts and mechanism?

Well, my Remington 760's mechanism seems to be no different than a pump shotgun except for a rotating bolt with locking lugs.

And Savage, I pretty sure stocks made for the Remington 870 in 20ga would fit that rifle.

So maybe you could put a Knoxx or Speedfeed stock on it to make it look more evil? :D

Not sure about how legal that would be for you though.

ilovechronic
2008-12-21, 18:54
chronic and lava:
That dosen't really answer my question:rolleyes::p

well i can't answer that because I dont have the rifle. I am sure he can disassemle it and let you know.

The_Savage
2008-12-22, 02:09
And Savage, I pretty sure stocks made for the Remington 870 in 20ga would fit that rifle.

So maybe you could put a Knoxx or Speedfeed stock on it to make it look more evil?

Not sure about how legal that would be for you though.

Yup, the one i'm looking at is a Speedfeed IIRC, I just can't buy folding or collapsible stocks (can get an M4 style one thats welded into place but they're hella over priced). And from what i've read these are basically a 870 20ga shotgun reciever with the AR mag well and 3 locking lugs instead of the usual 4 found on the 7600's, the other lug had to be removed for it to feed from the mags.

chronic and lava:
That dosen't really answer my question

I'm going to zero the iron sights in a couple of hours so when i get home i'll be brave and pull apart my first pump action and snap some pics for you ;) .

It's way sexier without the scope.
Agreed, Hopefully it won't look as bad once i mount a different one (with Matte finish) on there.

Groundhog whacka,
Thanks for the advice i'll have a look around for suitible springs in the next couple of days inbetween last minute chrismas shopping, you probably just saved me $100+ :) .

Groundhog whacka
2008-12-22, 17:27
After you change the spring just make sure to beat the thing around with the safety on and off to make sure you don't get an accidental discharge when you have it loaded. Happy Hunting ;-)

The_Savage
2008-12-23, 02:44
I went to strip it last night, got the trigger group out and realised i had no idea how to pull the rest of it appart, But to answer the swedes question, it's a bit more complex than a Bolt action and pretty much on par with levers, i haven't had anything like an AR in my hands for many many years so i can't really compare it to them :( .

I got the irons zeroed last night and fluked a pretty nice 11mm 3-shot group at 65 yards with them, even though the previous 7 shot group (not including 2 pulled shots) measured 51mm i was pretty pleased with the level of accuracy since the tip of the front sight nearly covers the 4" aiming mark. I bolted the scope back on once finished and there wasn't any noticable change in zero.

Target:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/iron_sights.jpg

Problem with the mag:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/mag2.jpg

What happens with 9/10 rounds:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/jam.jpg

Bottom of the follower i can't get out:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/follower.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/mag.jpg

And the looking in the bottom of the action without the trigger group.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/vasShadow3/100_1390.jpg
The red circles show the little thing-o that pushes the rounds from the mag when the bolt is closed. Nothing holds it in place when the action is closed so it rattles a bit. Once i can find something showing or explaining how to pull it all apart i'll post more pics, but untill then i ain't playing with it LOL .

Edit:
Handloaders might realise that 20.0gr of BM2 is a pretty light charge, It's because I ran out of AR2207 and was being a cheap ass as i usually keep the BM2 for heavy bullets :D .

ilovechronic
2008-12-23, 03:16
ok, I am looking at my follower on my 20 round mag. it is a little different.Basically where the spring connects to follower it has a longer piece that come off to prevent you from overloading the mag. All I did to get it out was this:

Now it is kind of hard to illustrate with pics.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0130.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0131.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0132.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0133.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0134.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0135.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0136.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/IMG_0137.jpg

Heres a vid coming up its uploading.

The_Savage
2008-12-23, 03:58
Thanks man! hopefully once i see the vid i should be able to get it out.

ilovechronic
2008-12-23, 04:24
Thanks man! hopefully once i see the vid i should be able to get it out.sorry, here, i had to got feed my friends dog I am watching and it took forver to upload.
http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/rp1111_2007/?action=view&current=MVI_0142.flv

When pulling out the back side first you just kind of move it back and forth and jimmy it out. When you pull the front part out after the back part is out don't try and pull it on the front part of the tabs it needs to be behind the tabs. Also you may have to jimmy the front part out also. If the follower is plastic you shouldn't have to worry about it bending the tabs. the worst that could happen is you damage the follower so use the mag that does not function right to practice a little.

I hope it helps!

The Swede
2008-12-23, 09:23
Thank you savage!:)

The_Savage
2008-12-24, 01:00
Thanks again ilovechronic, unfortunatly i still can't get the fucker out :mad: , After about 45 minutes, a few handfuls of hair and some choice language that would probably get you thrown out of the 7th circle of hell, I gave up. However something caught my eye as i was about to throw it back in the box and i measured the gap between the feed lips and it turns out they're 1mm narrower than the other two causing the thingo that strips the rounds from the mag get caught. So i might just forget about that mag and buy another one.

Also got to give it a bit of a feild test last night, we only stayed for about one and a half hours because it started raining pretty much as soon as we got there, I went through 68 rounds of winchester 55gr SP factory loads and killed 40 - 45 from unsupported standing, I missed a few going for head shots on rabbits, dropping a couple on the move and a few longer shots around the 200y mark. For closer shots i didn't really notice the heavy trigger but as the range increases and you concentrate on trigger control more it becomes annoying. The mags worked well and were an improvement over loading one-by-one through the port, although i need another 3 of 4 mags so i only have to stop once a night to reload. I'm also pleased to report that my rickety-piece-of-shit case catcher made from two coat hangers performed brilliantly not dropping a single case although you have to be careful how you hold the rifle when not shooting since if you tip it the wrong way the brass falls out.

All in all it wasn't a bad outing and i have no doubt that my hit ratio will improve once the trigger is lightened.