or even peek over for a moment? you know, i understand some of you were conditioned since childhood to continue on the inanity of the dark ages, but you know if you'd simply PAY ATTENTION you'd say that religion is the scourge of the earth!

evolution is not theory, it is a FACT. its only called the "theory of evolution" because there's still a bunch of religious retards. the same people who dont "believe" in evolution are often the same people practicing it on their farms!

i mean, for goodness' sake can't you people see that your gods are against everything that is reasonable and rational? how can you negate science? it is the sum of human knowledge! it is self-scrutinizing! you use instruments developed by science to preach nonsense! its all around you! your microphones, megaphones, telephones.. all instruments of science! how can it be that humanity is STILL bound by the shackles of ignorance? yes, the ten commandments are a wonderful set of rules to live by, but that's about it. the shit is outdated! its been rewritten and translated more times than you can count! i understand the religion is the best bad idea ever, because it has been edited to the point over the years that their outlandish claims cannot be verified, or denied. ignore the beauty of being children of chaos, and state that simply: "god did it". its too simple and neanderthal.

i'm sorry for being condescending, but you people really are ruining everything.

First, tell me HOW they're ruining everything. :rolleyes:

Second, tell me how the theory of evolution has been proven as 100% absolute fact.

Not every religous person is brainwashed just like not all scientific follower are critical thinkers.

If you want to understand a principal, look at the principal the same for science as you would religion.

Its the old "co-relation does not infer causation" you mad scientists love :)

I do have beef with one of your statements though

evolution is not theory, it is a FACT. its only called the "theory of evolution" because there's still a bunch of religious retards.


Now is it me or are you saying the evidence evolution lacks that is preventing it from being a law is the amount of people who believe it to be true.

So essentially the amount of truth in a theory or inference is measured by the amount of people who believe it to be true? aka if you believe it then it is true.

That is the polar opposite of science is it not!

Also the next stage for a concept in terms of validity after a theory is a law. Facts constitute both theory and laws, so really a fact/(s) isnt deviated from a theory or a law it is just a part of the scientific process for either of them.

I dont even follow natural science very closely and i know this.

I agree with some of your views on religious people for 90% of the religious population. Probably more. That being said, more than 90% of the general population are idiots.

Evolution is not a fact it has many flaws pointed out by not only religious people but scientists. Yes, their are scientists who are creationists.

Edit: You seem like one of those people that view evolution as fact because you saw a T.V documentary about it. You probably know little more about it than me.

Evolution is not a fact it has many flaws pointed out by not only religious people but scientists.

No, the theory of evolution is a sound one.

Any flaws you can point out, or that other scientists can, are not so great as to undermine the theory of evolution, othersie, it would have.

To undo the theory of evolution is a simple thing:

Dig.

Dig down to the Jurassic layer of the Earth, and find me a modern dog skeleton in the mouth of a T-Rex, for example.

So, if you want to disprove evolution all you will need is a shovel, time and patience.

Until then, embrace it monkey-man.

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I wouldn't say religion has ruined everything, but it has ruined enough.

Find out what passages in various holy books have been used to justify the following:

Slavery
Murder
War
Racial Discrimination
Intolerance
Cruelty
Rape

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Then tell me that we need the morale code of these primitive superstitions, else we will decend into a people who succumb to amorale behavior such as:

Slavery
Murder
War
Racial Discrimination
Intolerance
Cruelty
Rape

or even peek over for a moment? you know, i understand some of you were conditioned since childhood to continue on the inanity of the dark ages, but you know if you'd simply PAY ATTENTION you'd say that religion is the scourge of the earth!

evolution is not theory, it is a FACT. its only called the "theory of evolution" because there's still a bunch of religious retards. the same people who dont "believe" in evolution are often the same people practicing it on their farms!

i mean, for goodness' sake can't you people see that your gods are against everything that is reasonable and rational? how can you negate science? it is the sum of human knowledge! it is self-scrutinizing! you use instruments developed by science to preach nonsense! its all around you! your microphones, megaphones, telephones.. all instruments of science! how can it be that humanity is STILL bound by the shackles of ignorance? yes, the ten commandments are a wonderful set of rules to live by, but that's about it. the shit is outdated! its been rewritten and translated more times than you can count! i understand the religion is the best bad idea ever, because it has been edited to the point over the years that their outlandish claims cannot be verified, or denied. ignore the beauty of being children of chaos, and state that simply: "god did it". its too simple and neanderthal.

i'm sorry for being condescending, but you people really are ruining everything.

many words yet little is said.

Just another rant about religion.

No, the theory of evolution is a sound one.

Any flaws you can point out, or that other scientists can, are not so great as to undermine the theory of evolution, othersie, it would have.


There is still much we don't understand about evolution.

But what almost everyone will agree upon is that things change over time and go through different stages of development.

A look at a history book will show you that.

Watching the clouds as they morph into new ideas will show you that.

Evolution is a central part of all religions that I have studied.

But what almost everyone will agree upon is that things change over time and go through different stages of development.

A look at a history book will show you that.

Watching the clouds as they morph into new ideas will show you that.

Evolution is a central part of all religions that I have studied.

i would like to know about these religions that preach evolution. this is the first i've heard about it.

i would like to know about these religions that preach evolution. this is the first i've heard about it.

Perhaps he is talking linguistically rather than scientifically.

Evolution can be applied to many phoenomenon, it is simply a change over time and nothing in the material world is exempt from change therefore "evolution" in terms of its essense really applies to anything that exists.

For example one of the anthropological theories of culture is "evolutionism" but it has nothing to do with biology.

Also the next stage for a concept in terms of validity after a theory is a law.

That is just plain wrong. That is not true at all. Science does not "upgrade" theories into laws when they cross some magical barrier of "validity". In Science theories and laws are different things, and they are not scales regarding how valid or substantiated something is.


"Regardless of which definitions one uses to distinguish between a law and a theory, scientists would agree that a theory is NOT a "transitory law, a law in waiting". There is NO hierarchy being implied by scientists who use these words. That is, a law is neither "better than" nor "above" a theory. From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science. Furthermore, notice that with any of the above definitions of law, neither scientists nor nature "conform" to the law. In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

That is just plain wrong. That is not true at all. Science does not "upgrade" theories into laws when they cross some magical barrier of "validity". In Science theories and laws are different things, and they are not scales regarding how valid or substantiated something is.


"Regardless of which definitions one uses to distinguish between a law and a theory, scientists would agree that a theory is NOT a "transitory law, a law in waiting". There is NO hierarchy being implied by scientists who use these words. That is, a law is neither "better than" nor "above" a theory. From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science. Furthermore, notice that with any of the above definitions of law, neither scientists nor nature "conform" to the law. In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

Ah i see, thankyou.

I was really going off my knowledge of social sciences and assumed it would be interchangeable with natural science.

i would like to know about these religions that preach evolution. this is the first i've heard about it.

In many eastern traditions there is a practice of the Science of Self Realization. In order to realize something, your ideas of how the world is must be altered/expanded upon.

In the Western tinge, as well as in the Eastern tinge, there are many stages the student will past through on his journey towards enlightenment.

In all of the Mystery Schools throughout land and time, there are many levels of initiation the student must pass through in the conditioning of ones soul. Not all will survive.

There takes place a mental evolution as well as a physical evolution throughout all the universe.

Being that I've never read the Bible, I am ignorant of their case for evolution does not take place interpretation.

Of my understanding of the myth, I do not see why nothing must evolve.

In many eastern traditions there is a practice of the Science of Self Realization. In order to realize something, your ideas of how the world is must be altered/expanded upon.

In the Western tinge, as well as in the Eastern tinge, there are many stages the student will past through on his journey towards enlightenment.

In all of the Mystery Schools throughout land and time, there are many levels of initiation the student must pass through in the conditioning of ones soul. Not all will survive.

There takes place a mental evolution as well as a physical evolution throughout all the universe.

Being that I've never read the Bible, I am ignorant of their case for evolution does not take place interpretation.

Of my understanding of the myth, I do not see why nothing must evolve.

okay thanks.:)

just a couple of points, what is a tinge and when you said "There takes place a mental evolution as well as a physical evolution throughout all the universe." are you talking scientific or spiritual?

okay thanks.:)

just a couple of points, what is a tinge[?]


Think of it as a distortion, or a tint.
An addition, or a focus upon, a specific section of the static.


and when you said "There takes place a mental evolution as well as a physical evolution throughout all the universe." are you talking scientific or spiritual?


All manifestations that can (potentially) be observed and measured are much greater than the ten percent of the ice-burg that pierces through the waves of the ocean (what we believe to be reality). So if you think of the ocean as 'Spirit' and the ice-burg as the realm which we consider to be 'material', then all that evolves is of 'Spirit', and is within 'Spirit'.

Does that make sense?
I think I answered your question.

you know, you all assume i am uneducated in what i speak about. nevertheless .. i dont speak about it like is grand unified theory or anything, but if you just use your brain and PAY ATTENTION its so fucking obvious. i dont even need to justify talking shit about religion, its truly an old habit we need to shed to ascend to the stars. science has accomplished more for the species in its run the has any bit of theology. ack!

any institution that exists constantly poking holes in itself to an ultimate truth by means of true academia rather than one who just claims to talk to fucking god. de-lusional.

Evolution is a central part of all religions that I have studied.

"Evolution" in the sense of "change", maybe.

"Evolution" in the sense of scientific theory of evolution as is the context of the OP (i.e. the point spockcarolla and BP were making), definitely not.

Think of it as a distortion, or a tint.
An addition, or a focus upon, a specific section of the static.




All manifestations that can (potentially) be observed and measured are much greater than the ten percent of the ice-burg that pierces through the waves of the ocean (what we believe to be reality). So if you think of the ocean as 'Spirit' and the ice-burg as the realm which we consider to be 'material', then all that evolves is of 'Spirit', and is within 'Spirit'.

Does that make sense?
I think I answered your question.

i am intrigued and would like to know more. could you point me towards some online literature or start a thread please

i am intrigued and would like to know more. could you point me towards some online literature or start a thread please

"The Science of Self Realization" by "by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda"

http://causelessmercy.esotericteaching.org/SSR.htm

its free and its Vedic ["eastern"] :)

"Evolution" in the sense of "change", maybe.

"Evolution" in the sense of scientific theory of evolution as is the context of the OP (i.e. the point spockcarolla and BP were making), definitely not.

Change is basically the concept of evolution.
In the scientific theory these changes are attributed to natural selection, where the more favorable hereditary traits to the environment of which they reside are more likely to be passed on, and continue to be present in the future generations. Too that occurs are mutations of the nucleotidic sequence.
Then there is some sort of mass extinction and a new game emerges out of the ruin of the old.

Could you explain the argument of non-evolution?

That is just plain wrong. That is not true at all. Science does not "upgrade" theories into laws when they cross some magical barrier of "validity". In Science theories and laws are different things, and they are not scales regarding how valid or substantiated something is.


"Regardless of which definitions one uses to distinguish between a law and a theory, scientists would agree that a theory is NOT a "transitory law, a law in waiting". There is NO hierarchy being implied by scientists who use these words. That is, a law is neither "better than" nor "above" a theory. From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science. Furthermore, notice that with any of the above definitions of law, neither scientists nor nature "conform" to the law. In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

http://science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html

This. I get sick of trying to explain to people that saying "evolution is just a theory" makes no sense. They try to say that it's not a law like gravity, and since it's just a theory it's somehow not been proven to be true. It's ridiculous because scientific theories are not your common, everyday 'theory', which simply means guess/hunch/idea.

I wanted to add to your post a description for laws. Laws are mathematical statements of regularity. For example, physics equations used to describe gravity. It doesn't mean that the 'law' holds true everywhere or that it cannot be bent/broken. They are merely regularities and theories often contain laws to help support them.

That is all.

Change is basically the concept of evolution.

Changes at the genetic level that are promoted or discouraged by circumstances at the environmental level. Yes.

That's exactly what is not talked about in these other religions. You just made my point. Thank you.

or even peek over for a moment? you know, i understand some of you were conditioned since childhood to continue on the inanity of the dark ages, but you know if you'd simply PAY ATTENTION you'd say that religion is the scourge of the earth!

evolution is not theory, it is a FACT. its only called the "theory of evolution" because there's still a bunch of religious retards. the same people who dont "believe" in evolution are often the same people practicing it on their farms!

i mean, for goodness' sake can't you people see that your gods are against everything that is reasonable and rational? how can you negate science? it is the sum of human knowledge! it is self-scrutinizing! you use instruments developed by science to preach nonsense! its all around you! your microphones, megaphones, telephones.. all instruments of science! how can it be that humanity is STILL bound by the shackles of ignorance? yes, the ten commandments are a wonderful set of rules to live by, but that's about it. the shit is outdated! its been rewritten and translated more times than you can count! i understand the religion is the best bad idea ever, because it has been edited to the point over the years that their outlandish claims cannot be verified, or denied. ignore the beauty of being children of chaos, and state that simply: "god did it". its too simple and neanderthal.

i'm sorry for being condescending, but you people really are ruining everything.

If I accept godlessness, there's no rational reason to be rational in the first place. Sure, I could do it for the sake of doing it (which is as irrational a reason as 'God decrees it'), or I could just simply kill whom I please. And you may say that's wrong, but that's a lie. If there is no objectivity to morality, perception, achievement, or any other attribute of consciousness, then there is no right or wrong other than what the individual thinks it is. Thus, my desire to murder you is as valid as your desire to live peacefully and in pleasure.

You can claim it is better for one to be kind and loving because of the benefits it brings. That also is a lie. Without an objective determination of good and bad, there is no benefit or detriment. My murdering you is as valid as my giving you food and shelter. It doesn't matter if it lands me in jail, or hurts, or makes me feel good. I can as easily reject seeking my own pleasure as I can yours, thus the consequences of actions are also as much an irrational reason to live peacefully as 'God decrees it' is.

See, good man, if YOU paid attention, you would know that the very basis you use to attribute 'benefit of belief/lack thereof' provides no support whatsoever to any form of objectivity, thus there is no such thing as a 'scourge of the earth' as there is no objective reason to anything that has happened, is happening, or ever will happen. There is no objective goal to reach, thus there is no way whatsoever at all in order to impede or aid this goal. Your claim to godlessness denies its own validity as something beneficial to anything at all. Likewise, it is invalidating religion and all other forms of deity worship as something detrimental to this non existent goal.

I await your reply.

I wanted to add this: I know a God exists, but I still have no morals whatsoever, and if I wanted to kill you, I would. I do everything I want to do with no concern for others or consequences, no matter the pain it brings me or others. I always have and always will. No government or religion will ever change that. Interesting then that I have never killed a man with my own hands, or cheated on a woman. Maybe morality has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all and is just a retro-active 'code' used to describe the actions someone took and is in the process of taking? Certainly murder isn't against the murderer's ethics, otherwise he wouldn't have done it!

You can claim it is better for one to be kind and loving because of the benefits it brings. That also is a lie. Without an objective determination of good and bad, there is no benefit or detriment. My murdering you is as valid as my giving you food and shelter. It doesn't matter if it lands me in jail, or hurts, or makes me feel good. I can as easily reject seeking my own pleasure as I can yours, thus the consequences of actions are also as much an irrational reason to live peacefully as 'God decrees it' is.

Fucking Beautiful Hex.

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you know, do you have a fucking frontal lobe or not? you think humanity needs deities to avoid slipping into nihilism? you're severely mistaken. how small-minded you are, and apparently your opinion of other people is. if you are so dim as to think that i need scripture to dictate what is right and wrong to me, you sir are truly lost. do you also need the bureaucracy of our government to reassure you that murder is wrong? if so, look into getting a lobotomy. in my original post i cried "how can we have come so far and still be bound by the shackles of ignorance?" it was because of people like you. you are weak, just like THEM. shit, you are "them". you are "them" masquerading as a thinker on a quasi-counter-cultural website. you are the worst kind of person.

you know, do you have a fucking frontal lobe or not? you think humanity needs deities to avoid slipping into nihilism? you're severely mistaken. how small-minded you are, and apparently your opinion of other people is. if you are so dim as to think that i need scripture to dictate what is right and wrong to me, you sir are truly lost. do you also need the bureaucracy of our government to reassure you that murder is wrong? if so, look into getting a lobotomy. in my original post i cried "how can we have come so far and still be bound by the shackles of ignorance?" it was because of people like you. you are weak, just like THEM. shit, you are "them". you are "them" masquerading as a thinker on a quasi-counter-cultural website. you are the worst kind of person.

No shit I'm one of 'them'. What amuses me is that you get all twisted and pissed off about it. I'm GLAD I'm one of 'them'...my days are peaceful and full of warmth and joy. I woke up this morning to a wonderful breakfast cooked by my family, talked to my brother and sister-in-law, listened to some rave music with my 4 month old niece, stood out in the beautiful snow. Later, I might go sledding with the family or going to visit a few friends who don't have family visiting. After that, even more family is coming over; my 2nd and 3rd cousins will be showing up...and who knows what will happen then? Why would I even begin to doubt God, being as since He showed up in my life, I've gone from living on the streets to being able to enjoy all of this? You think it is weakness, but it is not. God lifted me from despair and suffering, regenerated my spirit and mind, guides me through my days to give me unbreakable bonds of love with those around me...and I'm supposed to reject this in favor of advancing technology (even though it continues to advance whether the masses want it to or not...which has nothing to do with religion...humans tend to resist change)?

These bonds that make life worth living existed when we were cave men, and they still exist with us living in machine constructed houses full of computerized appliances. Life is wonderful and continues to advance...that you don't see it gives no value into your claim that I live in the shackles of ignorance.

Further, I need no religion nor government to tell me what is wrong or right as there is no wrong or right. My brain was designed by God through countless generations and external circumstances to be what it is today: I like utilizing what God has given me. If my brain screams, 'kill!', then I think it's quite obvious I was born to kill people. My brain says, 'learn!', 'teach!', 'design!', 'smoke!', so I do these things. If God ever changes my mind's directives again, then so will I change again.

First, tell me HOW they're ruining everything. :rolleyes:

Second, tell me how the theory of evolution has been proven as 100% absolute fact.

First, it's obviously the source of alot of problems. There's been a whole lot of bloodshed that can be blamed on religion (more than anything else actually). And you can say it's just extremists - whatever. The fact of the matter is that monotheist beliefs are killing people.

It's like when there's 2 kids watching TV, and one kid wants to watch the discovery channel, while the other wants to watch cartoons. They ultimately end up fighting and killing eachother because they can't agree on what to put on the TV. If you just took away the fucking TV, they wouldn't have fought in the first place.

Not to mention the fact that they're infringing on OTHER people's and stepping on OTHER people's toes CONSTANTLY. Picketing Heath Ledger's funeral because he played a gay man? How christian of you, you insensitive fucks! Or how about those crazy bastards that stand on the corner of Mainstreet with red tape around their mouths saying that you shouldn't abort your kids, while there's little children around being scarred by the pictures of dead things, and then having the parents need to have one of the most TERRIBLE conversations EVER with their three year old daughter?

Or what about when a gay man comes out to his parents, who then completely disown him because they're so incredibly frightened of what will happen to them in the afterlife if they were to simply be compassionate people and accept it? What about the alienation that would ensue for said individual after?

What about the teenager that gets pregnant before she has the time to deal with a child? Yeah, she made a mistake, but we can negate that mistake now! It's better than having another misfit child born into a world with shitty parents that aren't ready to do a good job in an already incredibly overpopulated and poverty filled world!

What about the rediculous amount of banning fucking FICTIONAL STORIES that are every bit as valid as their own story that they seem to think is so incredibly REAL?

What about the fear tactics and endoctrination used to manipulate people into joining their army of fanatics?

What about people like Becky Fischer who openly admit that she likes to recruit children because they're "so easily moldable" and finds it admirable that there are children at arms killing and being killed in the east because they're so passionate about their religion?

I can point out countless more examples on how they inconvenience anyone who ISN'T part of their insane cult. The point is, we would be much better off without it. Even if people use it to "solve" their problems (I have no idea what REAL problems you can solve with an invisible force that has no actual power over a world), they would naturally figure out a more constructive way of dealing with it.

And if they didn't, then they'd die. If anything that's for the better considering the shape our planet is in because of our own naivety of what would happen if we made so many fucking people walking on it using up the obvoiusly limited material that it has to give us.

And second, the theory of evolution HASN'T been proven 100 percent. Some motherfucker better build a time machine soon though so we can go back 50 million years and just prove that there's living dinosaurs so we can disprove all of monotheism in general.

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that's really great that your life is nice. you mention that you were living on the streets and now you've got a much more wonderful lifestyle. you know, that really is wonderful, but that's the power of positive thinking. you didnt need what might as well be the tooth-fairy to do that! you are weak, because you need something supernatural to do good for yourself. you probably hit rock bottom psychologically like many religious folk, gave up, and surrendered to the idea of a big holy mommy taking care of you. if that's what you needed psychologically, then that's fine for you. yeah, i'm getting bent out of shape because its not good enough that you need that crutch, you're down with impeding the progress of humanity with that crutch. well i'm not down with that, and there are more people than there ever have been in history who dont appreciate it either. statistically the more people are educated, the more secular they become. the correlation there is that the more you fill your mind with true hard-sought knowledge the less you will feel the need to fix the cracks in your brain with god-glue. you should really think the way you make posts as if you've got something on ANYONE, because humans have been toiling for years getting where we are, and you and your kind have done nothing but restrain and retard our progress. you burned scholars and the stake, you burned down Alexandria. i'm tired at looking at folks like you with your empty eyes, who are holding the rest of us back. do what you do, but don't try and have a say in the progress of our species.

that's really great that your life is nice. you mention that you were living on the streets and now you've got a much more wonderful lifestyle. you know, that really is wonderful, but that's the power of positive thinking.

You don't know what changed my life, so please refrain from ignorantly claiming that 'positive thinking' had anything to do with it.

you didnt need what might as well be the tooth-fairy to do that! you are weak, because you need something supernatural to do good for yourself.

Yes, I am weak. I cherish the truth that I am weak. It is that very truth that allows me to rely on God.

you probably hit rock bottom psychologically like many religious folk, gave up, and surrendered to the idea of a big holy mommy taking care of you.

No, I actually rejected the idea of a big holy mommy taking care of me. I did, however, surrender to the truth that I'm weak. I ask you to do this: make yourself happy for a whole day. You can't be sad ONCE the entire day...or angry! If you can do that, then you are strong and I will listen to and adopt every viewpoint and philosophy you ever tell me to.

if that's what you needed psychologically, then that's fine for you. yeah, i'm getting bent out of shape because its not good enough that you need that crutch, you're down with impeding the progress of humanity with that crutch.

What are you talking about? My relationship with God encourages me daily to seek out a deeper understanding of the world around me: reading, writing, exploring, examination, conversation, contemplation, meditation, relation. And more than just finding a deeper understanding, I seek to apply this understanding as well. What good is it to learn of needs if nothing is done to meet them?

well i'm not down with that, and there are more people than there ever have been in history who dont appreciate it either.

I don't appreciate the impediment of progress either: you believe faith (via the judgment of it being irrational) to be an impediment. I view hatred, judgment, contempt, resentment, fear, dishonesty, manipulation, selfishness, arrogance, greed, and laziness to be the impediments of progress. You seem to think that humanity makes no progress because of religion...you think of man as one single entity when that is simply not the case: we are seven billion individuals, and whenever a single one of us chooses to rely upon these impediments we cause harm and waste our time and effort seeking to mete out our personal idea of justice instead of using our resources, both personal and communal, to help our species work towards a more loving society.

statistically the more people are educated, the more secular they become. the correlation there is that the more you fill your mind with true hard-sought knowledge the less you will feel the need to fix the cracks in your brain with god-glue.

That's just simply not true. A firm understanding of the sciences enables a human being to gain positions of leadership and responsibility within his community, but it will never stop the mind from asking, 'Could this be everything?' and from bringing that intuitive response that is always there, 'There has to be something more.' Nor does science enable a person to distinguish right from wrong, that too is intuitive. I lived for quite some time as an atheist that sought knowledge earnestly with total dedication to becoming learned. It did nothing to help me actually live a fulfilling life. Knowledge doesn't produce happiness. It can soften the sufferings of the ill through the medical community and prolong life both individually and communally, but it does not have the ability to produce happiness and fulfillment.

you should really think the way you make posts as if you've got something on ANYONE, because humans have been toiling for years getting where we are, and you and your kind have done nothing but restrain and retard our progress. you burned scholars and the stake, you burned down Alexandria. i'm tired at looking at folks like you with your empty eyes, who are holding the rest of us back. do what you do, but don't try and have a say in the progress of our species.

Most of my kind have been the very scholars who were burned at the stake. You truly can't distinguish between a hate-mongering believer and a loving and peaceful believer?

I don't understand that. I can distinguish between a peaceful and loving atheist and an atheist who hates all things faith. Both claim rationale and logic as the source of their doubt, but it's clearly only the source of one of those ways. It's quite obvious that emotional trauma is the cause for the other. I think that likewise applies to theists.

God lifted me from despair and suffering, regenerated my spirit and mind, guides me through my days to give me unbreakable bonds of love with those around me.

Give yourself some fucking credit man! It wasn't god that did that, it was you!

If there was a god, I imagine he'd sooner solve a war in the middle east than give a SHIT about your homeless ass.