Why did God create bugs?

Please flame away, or better yet, try to answer it seriously. I would really like to know.

More questions to come....

Why did God create bugs?

Please flame away, or better yet, try to answer it seriously. I would really like to know.

More questions to come....

Hmm ok im up for a challenge.

Lets get some basic's down. God is spiritual, the world we live in is material but we [human] are marginal - both spiritual and material.

The question arises if God is omnipotent how did we end up suffering in this material world? The answer is because we wanted free will and it was granted.

All living creatures have a soul, but some are unrealized just as many humans are unrealized so they do not exhibit many symptoms of the soul such as intelligence, ego (basic for any animal), personality, initiative, imagination consciousness etc.

It is important to understand that whilst plants are living they do not posses souls. This is verifiable because they do not live in any mode, and do not exhibit any symptoms of the soul.

Key to this idea is Gnosticism. We are spirit souls trapped in a material world, our material bodies are only an illusion. In the spiritual world there are no material bodies, so we know that before we chose free will over acceptance of God in the spiritual world we were not under any material illusion; so we did not posses any material bodies we were simply spiritual.

According to the Law of kharma (just because people say its a law doesnt mean you have to believe that) intentions effect actions and actions effect reactions, whether they be in the mode of ignorance, passion or goodness.

Below is an excerpt i wrote about kharma in relation to vegetablism (im lazy i dont wanna type it out again)

"Kharma is one of few Law's the Vedic's established, and it is a spiritual Law. This law is not subject to interpretation and exists in only one context; its original context which is the spiritual context of the law of kharma.

Modes of consciousness are fundamental to kharma, there are three modes.

The mode of ignorance
The mode of passion
The mode of goodness

Clearly the masses eat meat of a mode of ignorance- ignorance of spiritual knowledge or more specifically a lack of empathy for"sentient" creatures if you will, although thats not how i would term it.
Also the mode of passion "i will do this because it makes me feel good"
People in the mode of goodness in my oppinion are the vegeterians by and large -you can see meat eaters use ignorant and passionate justifications whilst vegetarians use justifications in the mode of goodness.

The idea behind kharma is the relationship between intentions and actions- or cost and concequence,

that is why people believe in luck- they dont understand kharma.

The frenchman [the matrix] (paraphrase) "Where others see luck; i see cost and consequence".

Kharma is a spiritual Law so spiritual principal's are key to it. If we use our free will, that we have been given by defying God then we are detracting from God. If we use our free will we are free to act, and are acting in the mode of passion or ignorance aswell as goodness, but a good person wants to always be good.

In retaliation to your "plant" question, an understanding of the soul is fundamental.

Essentially animalea have souls and plantae do not, yet they are both alive because they have the symptoms of life; Movement, Resperation, Sensitivity, Growth, Reproduction, Excretion and Nutrition (thx year 12 biology ); those are the similarities that unite them as living matter.

So then how can we justify killing and eating plants, when animals and plants are both alive?

The answer is simple, the explanation of the answer is not. Animals have a soul. There are various symptoms of the soul many of them are subtle many are not including intelligence, false ego, ego, initiative, imagination, personality ( there are many others but i cant recall or source off the top of my head). however consciousness is the most fundamental, what is definitive is that plants do not have a soul because they do not exhibit the symptoms of the soul. It is important to recognize that there is a key difference between human's and animals and that is consciousness; particularly being conscious of our own consciousness this is something that an animal does not have in the capacity that a human does; that is why animals cannot realize God and do not have morality.

Everything an animal does is in the mode of passion and ignorance, this does not digress or take away the fact they have a soul; they are just not conscious. That is why it is not intelligence that defines us from other animals, it is consciousness; because without it we cannot operate in the mode of goodness (satva in Sanskrit).

So in summary plants do not have a soul, so whilst their is life (including exhibition of the symptoms of life) and death(ceasing of the symptoms of life) for them that is all their is; they do not exhibit the symptoms of the soul. They are never operating in ignorance, in passion or in goodness. The more radical religious vedic elaboration on this in terms of kharma is based upon re-incarnation but i wont go into it, but know its very much part of the concept.

So when you look at what deviates human-animals from non-human animals you can see MOST humans are acting like any other animals MOST of the time because they are acting in the modes of ignorance and passion often. Therefore if you can justify killing an animal you can justify killing a man and vice versa.

You could very well understand this information and choose not to place value onto it, but just know you are not realizing your true human goodness."

This world will always be suffering, no matter what material body we are manifested in. We re-incarnate into one of over 8 million species based on our kharma and whether we have lived in the mode of ignorance or passion. If we have lived in the mode of goodness we will transcend this world. So in a sense that explains why insects are here, why there are so many species i dont know; maybe when we chose free will over acceptance of God we chose different levels of ignorance, passion and goodness just like we do now and these manifest themselves as material bodies.

Im not really to sure of the mechanics of it; theres definitely room for evolution in my ontology.

I may be wrong; im only speculating here.

The question arises if God is omnipotent how did we end up suffering in this material world? The answer is because we wanted free will and it was granted.
How can you want something without already having free will? If you don't have free will, then any wanting you seem to have isn't really your choice- it's just programming, and you are not responsible for requesting anything from any god.


I may be wrong; im only speculating here.
That's for sure.

He created them for the food chain bats and other animals need stuff to eat

Wow, killallthewhitemen, that was eloquent and intense. Being a white man, I don't know whether to be impressed or afraid. You seem to be more of the Buddhist ilk. I guess I should have asked my question more from the Christian prespective, as to that is where I face my quandry. Free will? I get that response quite a bit. I think that has become code for "I have no idea". I, like you, believe that "all life is suffering." I just don't understand why. As for "we wanted suffering", we will get to that one later in the questions.

As for the food chain arguement, I knew that one would pop up too. Gnats, ants, fleas ... would the food chain fall apart if these creatures were not around? I believe animals could adapt and find something else to eat. Man has. Has God placed these pests on the earth to make man suffer? Is he a sadist? I thought he was a loving God? Were these pests created before or after The Fall? More questions.
Damn. :confused:

As for the food chain arguement, I knew that one would pop up too. Gnats, ants, fleas ... would the food chain fall apart if these creatures were not around?
http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/explorations/bug/libraryarticle.asp?ItemID=127&SubjectID=113&categoryID=4


Has God placed these pests on the earth to make man suffer? Is he a sadist? I thought he was a loving God? Were these pests created before or after The Fall? More questions.
Damn. :confused:
I guess you've made up your mind that there is a God and "The Fall" happened, eh? Well then yes, God's a sadist.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/explorations/bug/libraryarticle.asp?ItemID=127&SubjectID=113&categoryID=4

This link is nice, but the question it poses speaks in generalities, not in specifics. Sure, there are beneficial bugs. My boss is a blood sucker, but he pays me every two weeks. But gnats, fleas, tse tse flies? These bugs have claimed millions apon millions of human lives throughout the ages. All of this human suffering so a bat or an aardvark can have dinner? Doesn't man have dominion over all beasts and creepy crawling things?


I guess you've made up your mind that there is a God and "The Fall" happened, eh? Well then yes, God's a sadist.

No, I have not made up my mind, hence the questions. Could God, being God, have prevented the fall? Afterall, he is God, right?

This link is nice, but the question it poses speaks in generalities, not in specifics. Sure, there are beneficial bugs. My boss is a blood sucker, but he pays me every two weeks. But gnats, fleas, tse tse flies? These bugs have claimed millions apon millions of human lives throughout the ages. All of this human suffering so a bat or an aardvark can have dinner? Doesn't man have dominion over all beasts and creepy crawling things?
You asked "would the food chain fall apart if these creatures were not around?" and the web-page I linked to provided some answers. What specifics would you like? The link I provided deals with facts, not whether or not things could have worked out honky-dory if there was a non-evil god behind the scenes.


No, I have not made up my mind, hence the questions. Could God, being God, have prevented the fall? Afterall, he is God, right?
Right. If the Christian god exists he's a real prick.

You asked "would the food chain fall apart if these creatures were not around?" and the web-page I linked to provided some answers. What specifics would you like? The link I provided deals with facts, not whether or not things could have worked out honky-dory if there was a non-evil god behind the scenes.


I really didn't want to start a food chain fight. LOL! The food chain, like global warming, is a theory. There may (or may not) be tons of evidence around, but one cannot prove it. Man, is the top of the food chain, correct? What if man, or other pieces of the chain, were to disappear? Nature would adapt and create a new chain. I think we can both agree on that.

Right. If the Christian god exists he's a real prick.

So I take it you are not a Christian. A Darwinist, perhaps?

Do we really have free will? even if we were able to look into our future and thus be able to change it, we would still be slaves of our own mind. Our actions and speech are controlled by our thoughts, our thoughts by our emotions, our emotions by deep impressions, and our deep impressions by our primitive urges.

I really didn't want to start a food chain fight. LOL! The food chain, like global warming, is a theory.
The food chain is a theory? What are you talking about?


There may (or may not) be tons of evidence around, but one cannot prove it.
What can we prove outside of mathematics, logic and alcohol?


What if man, or other pieces of the chain, were to disappear? Nature would adapt and create a new chain. I think we can both agree on that.
What does that have to do with anything you've asked?


So I take it you are not a Christian. A Darwinist, perhaps?
Darwinist, eh? You don't accept evolutionary theory? Christianity and Darwinism aren't mutually exclusive ya know.

Well seeing as I don't believe in any type of god my opinion may not be all that appreciated. However, I'm going for the food chain approach.
From an evolutionary perspective, insects evolved around the same time as flowering plants. They aided in the reproduction of these plants. Later when other animals such as small lizards etc came about, the insects provided sustenance for all. To this day they have always been there close to the bottom of the food chain. Being food for some, and helping plants reproduce.

It is true that some are not at all beneficial to humans. But everyone knows that we humans were kicked out of the garden of Eden not to have a good time, but to suffer. (that is if you believe in all that shit).
Insects such as locusts simply took advantage of the food that was there. Similar to what humans do. They use up all the resources in a given area and then move on to the next. It works well for us, and well for them too.
Then of course there is the argument of mosquitos and malaria. However, it is common knowledge that mosquitos are only vectors and that the disease is caused by parasites that just happen to live in the mosquito's mouth.

Basically, insects have been around longer than humans, assuming that you believe in evolution. If not, then you can still argue that they are necessary for the food chain and reproduction of plants.
Sure god could have made the world without insects however something else would have needed to take it's place. Or all other animals would be different to compensate. Either way, they're pretty fucking necessary to our survival

Ya know, I used to post intelligent replies to Christians and all other God believers but they ended up either being to stupid to comprehend what I had wrote or they went into denial. Now I just post mildly amusing song lyrics.

Jesus Christ will resurrect
He's got his BMI royalty to collect
He's not the white fragile hippie
He looks and acts more like an indignant ICE-T
Jesus Christ is coming back
He wants to kick Mel Gibson's ass
Superstar, The Passion of
He wants his money, not your love

He's been kickin' 2000 years
He's fixed a lot of sports
and drank a million beers
Some ecstasy, a thin white line
He says designer drugs beat the hell out of wine
Jesus Christ on vacation
Spreading mass sacreligion
"Sex and drugs, we abstain"
He thinks Christians are insane
They don't know love,
they know fear and moral hauteur
Scare tactics I never taught
"If you're gonna look to me,
better get rose colored shades,
Cuz what you see is what you get"

Why did God create bugs?

Please flame away, or better yet, try to answer it seriously. I would really like to know.

More questions to come....

I have no idea. Anyone who says they do is about to speak a lie, probably without even knowing they are lying.

I have no idea. Anyone who says they do is about to speak a lie, probably without even knowing they are lying.

What can we prove outside of mathematics, logic and alcohol?

Correct and correct. We can only speculate about many things in the Bible. I suppose that is why the kids call it FAITH. I just sort of wondered why God would take time from playing Worlds of Warcraft to create such creatures? One can speculate "food chain" until he turns blue. However, humans can survive on plant life that doesn't need the help of insects. Wheat, rice, and beans are examples that come to mind. There are other fruits and vegetables that also do not require insects to help them grow as well. Often it is the insects that eat them! Damn bugs. Quit ruining my picnics. Take em back, God. I hope there are no insects in Heaven.

Warped Mindness. You have WAY too much free time. :)

Thanks to all that replied. Please continue to postulate if you have something unique to add. I will post Question #2 in several days.

I just want to say Roxberry is everything i hate about natural "science" followers in this forum.

The OP's question is "What is the religious (God's) explanation for bugs/insects existence".

I tried to answer it; but all the Atheists and scientists want to do is debunk others ontology.

Quit it and start being constructive; im not saying their isn't room for your point of view just keep it constructive and relative to the OP.

And to the OP: Yes it is derived from "eastern" spirituality mainly Vedic, not really Buddhist. Although its not a cop/paste r anything alot of it is just my contemplations. I wrote that off the top of my head.

P.S im white aswell :D

I just want to say Roxberry is everything i hate about natural "science" followers in this forum.

The OP's question is "What is the religious (God's) explanation for bugs/insects existence".

I tried to answer it; but all the Atheists and scientists want to do is debunk others ontology.

Quit it and start being constructive; im not saying their isn't room for your point of view just keep it constructive and relative to the OP.

And to the OP: Yes it is derived from "eastern" spirituality mainly Vedic, not really Buddhist. Although its not a cop/paste r anything alot of it is just my contemplations. I wrote that off the top of my head.

P.S im white aswell :D

Did you get your screen name from the song "Kill all the white men" by NOFX?

Did you get your screen name from the song "Kill all the white men" by NOFX?

Yes!

<3

The white man call himself civilized

Cause he know how to take over

The white man come to pillage my village

Now he tell me I have to bend over


Oh yeah, kill all the white man


No I dont like the white man up in me

He rape my people as he rape my country

Everything I love and cherish, he try to take away

We will be rid of him, soon come the day


Oh yeah, kill all the white man

Oh yeah, kill all the white man

Oh yeah, kill all the white man

Oh yeah, kill all the white man

NOFX kicks ass.

Don't call me white (x4)
The connotations wearing my nerves thin
Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
I understand that language breeds stereotype
But what's the explanation for the malice, for the spite?
Don't call me white (x4)
I wasn't brought here, I was born
Circumsized, categorized, allegiance sworn
Does this mean I have to take such shit
For being fairskinned? No!
I ain't a part of no conspiracy, I'm just you're average Joe
Don't call me white (x4)
Represents everything I hate
The soap shoved in the mouth to cleanse the mind
The vast majority of sheep
A buttoned collar, starched and bleached
Constricting veins, the blood flow to the brain slows
They're so fuckin' ordinary white
were better off this way
say what your gunna say
so go ahead and label me an asshole, coz i can
accept responsability for what ive done but not for who i am"

dont call me white (x2)

^^ yes indeed. I dont want to be disrespectful to the OP though, this isn't fucking bebo or... and rock n roll so back on topic eh.

^^ yes indeed. I dont want to be disrespectful to the OP though, this isn't fucking bebo or... and rock n roll so back on topic eh.

Ha, you're right. I hate when people hijack threads. Fuck this topic though, I'm going to go find another, more interesting thread.

^^ yes indeed. I dont want to be disrespectful to the OP though, this isn't fucking bebo or... and rock n roll so back on topic eh.

That's okay, brother whiteman. I hijack other people's threads all the time. :D

Since I would be lying no matter what, I'm gonna go ahead and pretend that bugs exist for the same reason as anything else.

Since I would be lying no matter what, I'm gonna go ahead and pretend that bugs exist for the same reason as anything else.

LOL. They probably do exist for the same reason everything else does, but if you know the reason God does what He does, I'm listening.

No no no, you've got it backwards. God created humans so bugs have nice climate-controlled houses to live in and lots of leftover food to eat. However, we fell from grace and now we kill bugs on sight.

No no no, you've got it backwards. God created humans so bugs have nice climate-controlled houses to live in and lots of leftover food to eat. However, we fell from grace and now we kill bugs on sight.

Could be. God created bug and human alike. Why He did so isn't something I know the reason for, but I'm here, so I figure I may as well enjoy it.

I just want to say Roxberry is everything i hate about natural "science" followers in this forum.

The OP's question is "What is the religious (God's) explanation for bugs/insects existence".

I tried to answer it; but all the Atheists and scientists want to do is debunk others ontology.

Quit it and start being constructive; im not saying their isn't room for your point of view just keep it constructive and relative to the OP.

And to the OP: Yes it is derived from "eastern" spirituality mainly Vedic, not really Buddhist. Although its not a cop/paste r anything alot of it is just my contemplations. I wrote that off the top of my head.

P.S im white aswell :D

Your explanation is that when humans are bad, they are reincarnated into bugs? :confused:

Since OP capitalized "God", I'm going to assume he means the Abrahamic god. So yeah, I doubt reincarnation is the reason.

Here's my shot at it: God's not a retard. He knows that animals got to eat things, plants got to be pollinated, and leaf litter got to be eaten and pooped out into soil so bountiful crops can grow (in thy mercy). Bugs might as well do the job.

But why stop at bugs? Humans could probably survive on earth given a couple hundred or so plants, animals, and supporting species to keep it all running smoothly. Why create marmots or lobsters or dinosaurs? Why create influenza, mosquitos, and malaria? Why even create humans?

Nature would adapt and create a new chain. I think we can both agree on that.


Natural adaptation, eh? That sounds like the basis of a brilliant new theory I've been working on. We'll see for sure once I visit Galapagos.

I just want to say Roxberry is everything i hate about natural "science" followers in this forum.

The OP's question is "What is the religious (God's) explanation for bugs/insects existence".

I tried to answer it; but all the Atheists and scientists want to do is debunk others ontology.
Yeah, message boards can suck like that- state some bullshit and some asshole has to come along and call you on it. What the fuck is a natural "science" follower?


Quit it and start being constructive; im not saying their isn't room for your point of view just keep it constructive and relative to the OP.
No, I won't quit it- calling on others' bullshit is constructive and a big part of what posting on a forum like this is all about. You are the one who made the statement- I'm the one who re-butted it. If it's not relevant to the OP, then you are the one to blame.

Now, you said:

"The question arises if God is omnipotent how did we end up suffering in this material world? The answer is because we wanted free will and it was granted."

So, how about explaining how we wanted something without having free will.


And to the OP: Yes it is derived from "eastern" spirituality mainly Vedic, not really Buddhist. Although its not a cop/paste r anything alot of it is just my contemplations. I wrote that off the top of my head.
Is the part about us wanting free will off the top of your head too? That doesn't sound like any Eastern "spirituality" I'm familiar with.

Why did God create bugs?

Please flame away, or better yet, try to answer it seriously. I would really like to know.

More questions to come....

A scientist once observed that God must have loved beetles, he made so many of them.

Many plant species depend on insects for their survival, but the best answr is "Why not?"

A scientist once observed that God must have loved beetles, he made so many of them.

Many plant species depend on insects for their survival, but the best answr is "Why not?"

Insects are also the main diet of many animals like fish, amphibians, wild cats, etc..

if you know the reason God does what He does, I'm listening.

Since I would be lying no matter what, I'm gonna go ahead and pretend there are no reasons. It's the chaotic infinite.

So, how about explaining how we wanted something without having free will.

Listen mate, i put time and energy into a conceptualization.

I didnt claim it was flawless or even something i believed, i was just contemplating.

Immediately you came here quick to judge, but what have you contributed?

nothing but criticism deviating from the topic.

Where is your explanation if mien is not sufficient?

This is not a matter of belief, i said what i wrote was just a contemplation.

So how about you post something constructive, then come back and refute our ignorance with your relentless infallible logic onec you've earnt that right.

If you dont want to contribute then people wont listen to you.

Listen mate, i put time and energy into a conceptualization.
Doubtful. If you had, you would have realized how contradictory your free will statement was.

I didnt claim it was flawless or even something i believed, i was just contemplating.

Immediately you came here quick to judge, but what have you contributed?
I asked you questions regarding your statements. Asking for clarification to your seemingly contradictory statements is contributing. If I don't understand something, there's a good chance more readers are having trouble understanding the same thing. I also linked to a web-page that help answer some of the OP's questions and asked what specifics he's like me to answer so I can further help since he claimed my link wasn't specific enough.

nothing but criticism deviating from the topic.
Again, that's a very important part of discussion on a board like this and what I actually did was ask you questions regarding your statements. It's important for the OP and the reader to have flaws in reasoning pointed out to them. And again, doing this is not deviating from the topic. If what you wrote was on topic, then asking questions regarding those statements is also on topic. What you then did was tell everyone about your me and people like me. That's real constructive, isn't it? And all because I asked you questions regarding your flawed statements? This is your second post in someone else's thread, all about bitching about me. Who's the one deviating from the topic?

Where is your explanation if mien is not sufficient?
Read my posts again.

Because he has a plan and is all knowing. Trust the man, though you do not understand, there is a reason... (typical bible banger answer);)

A scientist once observed that God must have loved beetles, he made so many of them.

Many plant species depend on insects for their survival, but the best answr is "Why not?"

That's funny.

cuz there part of the food chain

go fuck yourself bret

http://tinyurl.com/gofuckyourselfbret

lol