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I want to see if any of you can guess which RC this is by looking at these:

This is the HPLC:
http://www.box.net/shared/cgb61vozzb

This is the HMNR:
http://www.box.net/shared/3de3kmczqq

I have somewhat of a problem.

Basically I have tried tried this RC from 3 different vendors so far.

The first vendor it took Xmg to feel the way I do now.

The 2nd vendor took .8Xmg to feel the same way, so it was more potent than the 1st.

This vendor takes 1.2xmg to feel the same way.

[b] This last vendor is selling me slightly less potent shit than the other two. How do I let the vendor know that I know it is less potent w/o telling him I just snorted it and found out? This is complicated for a few reasons:

1) He is a legitment Chinese chemical supplier, I can't tell him I use it for human consumption.

2) There could be other factors involved, I have been taking this one supplement 3x a day for the past 2 weeks that reduces neurotoxicity in a similar drug to the one I bought from this guy. That cold just mean that this supplement actually reduces the effects of said drug rather then prevents it, or it could just prevent it and not reduce effects.

3) I dont want to piss him off because it is a good price regardless of the cut.


How do I tell him I analyzed it w/ my lab and found it to be less potent? This guy forsure knows I use it to get high, however, I just cant say it to him.

Thanks!

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I asked a chemical supplier who I have past history with what the general overview to a synthesis of a particular chemical that was undocumented on the internet.

He responded with two pictures, one labeld:

HNMR.jpg
HPLC.jpg

IIRC, hplc is something to do with a purity test. Maybe he thought I was asking him to prove how pure something is?

The HMNR looks like a heart beat recorder as did the HPLC. They both said things like "analyzed" and "results obtained by"

I dont want to look like I don't know what I am talking about, how should I ask him this?

Proton Nuclear-Magnetic Resonance and High Pressure Liquid Chromatography...

I asked a chemical supplier who I have past history with what the general overview to a synthesis of a particular chemical that was undocumented on the internet.

He responded with two pictures, one labeld:

HNMR.jpg
HPLC.jpg

IIRC, hplc is something to do with a purity test. Maybe he thought I was asking him to prove how pure something is?

The HMNR looks like a heart beat recorder as did the HPLC. They both said things like "analyzed" and "results obtained by"

I dont want to look like I don't know what I am talking about, how should I ask him this?

Trying to make yourself like something someone when you have no idea what the subject is about will catch up with you eventually. Just a word of advice...

I'm genuinely impressed that you couldn't even be fucked to google this shit before bringing it here...

You think we're your personal drones?

Christ, and I kinda thought you were a bit of a muppet before...! ;)


Why don't you post the files, along with the structure and any comments about purity, so we can take a look...

HNMR is as someone said, hydrohen nuclear magnetic resonance (as opposed to CNMR). it is the most widely used tool today to find out what an organic molecule is. the output you have is labelled with a zero at the right, and going to up (usually) 12. this scale represents the chemical shift, labelled as sigma. the basic idea is that hydrogens are all aligned in a very strong magnetic field and allowed to relax, whereabouts they give off energy. the amount of energy is measured and recorded according to its frequency, and converted into a chemical shift (which is standardised so all machines give the same results).

the upshot of this is that the energy given off by a proton is determined by its electronic enviroment. this shows the chemical shifts for different functional groups. (http://rmn.iqfr.csic.es/guide/man/beginners/images/chap3.21.gif), so if you have a peak at about 12, you know there is a proton on a carboxylic acid on the molecule. if you have a whole bunch of peaks near 7, it is aromatic. the area of the peak (usually shown under the scale) is directly related to how many hydrogens are accounted for. it takes a fair bit of practice to learn to read these things quickly and accurately, but the basics are relatively simple. most chemists can completely characterise a relatively complex molecule using NMR alone, and is the first stop when dealing with any chemical made in the lab (except maybe the FTIR, if the NMR is in use).

hplc, as you guessed, is a method of seperating a complex mixture. the mixture goes through the column, and different molecules come out at different times, depending on whatever criteria is being used. most often, non polar groups come out first, and more polar groups last. odds are they hooked some kind of detector up to the hplc, and recorded the amount to come out at each time. the only interesting thing about this one is that there should be only one peak (with the possible exception of a few peaks occuring around time = 0 ).

in terms of the question you asked, neither spectra will tell you anything about the synthesis. maybe he doesn't want to tell you how its made (although i would bet alot of money it is documented on a journal article somewhere) and just wants to assure you that it is what he says it is and it is pure. if you want to post them somewhere i will be happy to take a look and tell you if there is anything interesting going on though.

10 Internet moneys that he is buying/bough research chemicals and the person provided him with this data:p

10 Internet moneys that he is buying/bough research chemicals and the person provided him with this data:p

If so, that's some serious customer service that his contact is supplying him with! Really gives you a guarantee of your product, assuming the guy isn't bullshitting you with a standard spectrum, or that you're bullshitting him pretending to know how to read one. :)

If so, that's some serious customer service that his contact is supplying him with! Really gives you a guarantee of your product, assuming the guy isn't bullshitting you with a standard spectrum, or that you're bullshitting him pretending to know how to read one. :)

Most places which are legit and sell RC provide them. I always ask for MSDS and some sort of analysis.

High Pressure Liquid Chromatography...
Pressure or Performance. I met one guy from the development team here in Silicon Valley and he still wasn't sure what the official term was. :)

They have to program the HPLC machine to recognize compounds, it doesn't magically recognize stuff without knowing what it is - although the new, expensive gear may come pre-programmed.

Most places which are legit and sell RC provide them. I always ask for MSDS and some sort of analysis.


You haven't bought many RCs lately, have you?

No north american RC vendor will produce MDSD or the above things I listed.

Only the Chinese company will.



I want to know the synthesis of this compound because no one on the internet documents it well. Earlier in our convo he said he had it, I think there was just miscommunication.

You haven't bought many RCs lately, have you?

No north american RC vendor will produce MDSD or the above things I listed.

Only the Chinese company will.



I want to know the synthesis of this compound because no one on the internet documents it well. Earlier in our convo he said he had it, I think there was just miscommunication.

Or YOU don't know where to look, add me on msn i do not mind sending the link to you to show you. Chinese, no idea aint deal with them, but Eastern European one provide all NMR data, only of them didn't but product was indeed active and fine IMO.

Or YOU don't know where to look, add me on msn i do not mind sending the link to you to show you. Chinese, no idea aint deal with them, but Eastern European one provide all NMR data, only of them didn't but product was indeed active and fine IMO.

I know all of the sources ha.. I'll give you an email however.

If you are talking about that ONE europe source that doesn't sell to the USA, then yes you are probally right but I don't deal with them and wouldn't know.

Or if you are talking about that other one that sells to the USA reshipper, that company is run by an asshole and I bet that faggot just puts up some bogus shit.



I don't think any of them have details on MDSD, however?

I know all of the sources ha.. I'll give you an email however.

If you are talking about that ONE europe source that doesn't sell to the USA, then yes you are probally right but I don't deal with them and wouldn't know.

Or if you are talking about that other one that sells to the USA reshipper, that company is run by an asshole and I bet that faggot just puts up some bogus shit.



I don't think any of them have details on MDSD, however?

Yep, its the first one you mentioned. As for the reshipper dude, i have heard only bad about him, especially about his 2c-e :(

Nah, the MSDS doesn't give too much info, but as said most places will give you purity info if requested. Either ways, are you going to post a copy of them so we can take a look at them?

Either ways, are you going to post a copy of them so we can take a look at them?

This.

Yep, its the first one you mentioned. As for the reshipper dude, i have heard only bad about him, especially about his 2c-e :(

Nah, the MSDS doesn't give too much info, but as said most places will give you purity info if requested. Either ways, are you going to post a copy of them so we can take a look at them?

Sure I'm on vacation when I get home I'll rig it up. Or later tonight if I have time.

Damn dude I've never stumbled across a thread where so much articulation has taken place. Am I still on totse?

Damn dude I've never stumbled across a thread where so much articulation has taken place. Am I still on totse?

Yes, you are, but give it a few days and we shall see...as for the results?

I want to see if any of you can guess which RC this is by looking at these:

This is the HPLC:
http://www.box.net/shared/cgb61vozzb

This is the HMNR:
http://www.box.net/shared/3de3kmczqq

I have somewhat of a problem.

Basically I have tried tried this RC from 3 different vendors so far.

The first vendor it took Xmg to feel the way I do now.

The 2nd vendor took .8Xmg to feel the same way, so it was more potent than the 1st.

This vendor takes 1.2xmg to feel the same way.

[b] This last vendor is selling me slightly less potent shit than the other two. How do I let the vendor know that I know it is less potent w/o telling him I just snorted it and found out? This is complicated for a few reasons:

1) He is a legitment Chinese chemical supplier, I can't tell him I use it for human consumption.

2) There could be other factors involved, I have been taking this one supplement 3x a day for the past 2 weeks that reduces neurotoxicity in a similar drug to the one I bought from this guy. That cold just mean that this supplement actually reduces the effects of said drug rather then prevents it, or it could just prevent it and not reduce effects.

3) I dont want to piss him off because it is a good price regardless of the cut.


How do I tell him I analyzed it w/ my lab and found it to be less potent? This guy forsure knows I use it to get high, however, I just cant say it to him.

Thanks!

I reckon this is the structure (http://www.evilshare.com/1a829d2a-2815-102c-802c-000b6aa2a5f8
), probably as the hydrochloride salt.


It seems clean to me, though they could have included the integral values, and supplied a better quality image, or the actual raw data files - this might also be used as more convincing evidence the NMR is actually from that particular batch...

As far as the strength of the material goes, it's probably not worth your time to kick off with the guy, even if he is cutting it, seeing as how your happy to buy at the price he's charging regardless of whether there is a cut or not.

That said, perhaps it is unlikely that it is cut, given how you have taken the compound at different times, using different pharmacologically active products concurrently...

Anyways, was I right?! Got any more? - NMR is fun !

^ Correct link:

http://www3.evilshare.com/1a829d2a-2815-102c-802c-000b6aa2a5f8

Definitely mephedrone. Too bad I got there late. :(

I reckon this is the structure (http://www.evilshare.com/1a829d2a-2815-102c-802c-000b6aa2a5f8
), probably as the hydrochloride salt.


It seems clean to me, though they could have included the integral values, and supplied a better quality image, or the actual raw data files - this might also be used as more convincing evidence the NMR is actually from that particular batch...

As far as the strength of the material goes, it's probably not worth your time to kick off with the guy, even if he is cutting it, seeing as how your happy to buy at the price he's charging regardless of whether there is a cut or not.

That said, perhaps it is unlikely that it is cut, given how you have taken the compound at different times, using different pharmacologically active products concurrently...

Anyways, was I right?! Got any more? - NMR is fun !

I can't see the picture the link just goes to the file host.

I can't see the picture the link just goes to the file host.

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I can't see the picture the link just goes to the file host.

oops! (http://www3.evilshare.com/1a829d2a-2815-102c-802c-000b6aa2a5f8)


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Cheers!

oops! (http://www3.evilshare.com/1a829d2a-2815-102c-802c-000b6aa2a5f8)


"Uploaded from: IP (Japan)"

Wapanese!? In mah LT!?

Or is someone more paranoid than we thought?

Yeah, that's the strcture alright... It does look pretty damn pure though!

"Uploaded from: IP (Japan)"

Wapanese!? In mah LT!?

Or is someone more paranoid than we thought?

If they weren't, they are now.

Yep, it is mephedrone.