Okay, this is an idea I have been toying with for a while now- I doubt due to ethics this would ever be allowed, so it will probably remain in the domain of my mind. However, here goes!

The objective: See how long the subject can live for.
Control: A clone of this kid is made, and subjected to an average lifestyle, and the difference is observed.

Okay, the subject's life is conceived artificially. The sperm of a great sportsman, and the ova of a women with a very high IQ, preferably one who is a doctor or professor. Not to be sexist, these roles could be reversed.

Now, many different embryo's are produced. They are screened as widely as possible for defects, and the healthiest one is selected.

The child is born, and is immediately taken by doctors. For the first few years of his life, he is monitored closely, put on the most nutritious and vitamin filled diet possible and given as many jabs as possible.

Then, when he/she gets older, an exercise regime is in place. Stringent, pushing them at each age to the best of their abilities. They are given a very healthy and balanced diet, and it is topped up by vitamins.

The subject is not exposed to alcohol, cigarettes or any other unhealthy substance.

They are checked regularly throughout there life, being kept on a stringent exercise routine and diet.

When they get older, the exercise is still kept up to the best of the subjects ability. The best and most advanced doctors are assigned to them, and they check ups are very regular.

So basically, the aim is to see how long this person can be kept alive.

Thoughts? Improvements? Other comments/ flames?

Cheers;
Jazzy. :cool:

how would the child be socialized? By doctors?

how would the child be socialized? By doctors?

Doctors, scientists, fitness coaches etc.
So the subject would be a very fitness orientated individual.

Along with what you mentioned, you would need some kind of brain stimulation such as puzzles, books, conversations, etc. Ive noticed that older people who don't use their minds are the ones who slip off into dementia and die fastest. The working ones with stimulation are the most well off.


Your main problem is part where you clone a human. Oh, and of course the APA's code of ethics...

sounds good, but i'd imagine that he'd become smart enough to escape. raising a human being the way your talking would amplify their abilities and essentialy create a super human.

why would you want the genes of a professor when all you want is a long lifespan?

i would rather get the genes from people with long lifespans, like sardinians or okinawans

sounds good, but i'd imagine that he'd become smart enough to escape. Raising a human being the way your talking would amplify their abilities and essentialy create a super human.

er is eine ubermensche!

why would you want the genes of a professor when all you want is a long lifespan?

i would rather get the genes from people with long lifespans, like sardinians or okinawans

Fair point., but I was ., like that other guy said thinking of late life mental stimulation.
Furthermore, is it really the aforementioned races genes that keep them alive, or their cultures lifestyle?

Cloning a human? We are not really that different to other animals (98.,6% genetically identical to chimps) so like you say, the issue is merely ethical.

Also, imagine if this was taken further. What if two special forces members bred with each other, and the offspring was cloned 100 times, and was then raised in this manner. Possible super soldiers?

It would have to be named Human 2.0 most definetly. This sounds like it could back fire you know the new ones take over the world sort of thing.

http://i1.bebo.com/021b/11/medium/2006/12/03/19/2736011960a2736174898b175244345m.jpg

kinda like this guy tried...?

They did this in Twins. It worked out great for Arnie, not so for poor Danny DeVito.

hmmm...
Very nteresting, it is probably happening right now/ happened in some government program

Don't fuck with your gov't they breed the super soldiers :p

I don't like your name Jazzy, but I like how you thinks.

Cloning is difficult however.

OP you're 25 years too late it's already been done in "Weird Science" /thread

http://i1.bebo.com/021b/11/medium/2006/12/03/19/2736011960a2736174898b175244345m.jpg

kinda like this guy tried...?

nothing like he did.

op is talking about comparisions to see which lifestyle would be better suited for longer life, hitler was exterminating people to make perfect race.

Excercise is not such a key factor as some people may think.

A "stringent excercise program" can wreak havoc on the body.

Look at the Japanese, who are generally the longest-living race. Their diet is a key factor, being rich in fish and various other nutrients which those in America, Europe, and other affluent countries generally do not have.
Also, generally they have a calorie intake much lower than most people. See: http://www.all-natural.com/longev-1.html

If you really wanted to make a long-living human, just inject him with a bunch of drugs (http://io9.com/345728/geneticists-discover-a-way-to-extend-lifespans-to-800-years), reduce his calorie intake, and have him excersise - but not too much.

Also, having these genes may help: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13403-longlife-genes-found-in-100yearold-humans.html

If you really wanted to make a long-living human, just inject him with a bunch of drugs


yea, but that can fuck up a persons body really easily. i would agree that diet is a very big factor into how long a person lives/how healthy they are, with good amounts of exercise.

I'm guessing you want to see how long you can keep a person alive and mentally healthy?

In that case I'd actually place my bet on the clone who can live freely, do what he wants and explore life on his own, not be stuck with scientist for his whole life.
This is purely from the view of mental health.

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Who's to determine who/what is the perfect human?

Okay, the subject's life is conceived artificially. The sperm of a great sportsman, and the ova of a women with a very high IQ, preferably one who is a doctor or professor. Not to be sexist, these roles could be reversed.


This is actually how sperm banks started. It had to do with eugenics - all donors must be well-off, high IQ, extraordinarily good in their field etc. Nobel prizes used to be required.

This is actually how sperm banks started. It had to do with eugenics - all donors must be well-off, high IQ, extraordinarily good in their field etc. Nobel prizes used to be required.

now cant the average joe (or in some cases the below-average billy bob) donate and get like 600 bucks out of it?

So jazzy if I'm reading this right your, hypothesis that the supper fit clone will outlast his average counterpart.

My only two criticisms are, I dislike how you define the perfect human based on solely on his lifespan. And since your basing the success of the experiment on lifespan perhaps instead of creating an individual that is supper fit, one may live longer if your genetically screen them to be resistant to diseases with a genetic component, heart disease, diabetes, ect.

Hell if your cloning people why not simply try to genetically engineer the "perfect human"

Here's an idea. Watch "twins". Like that experiment?

Fair point., but I was ., like that other guy said thinking of late life mental stimulation.
Furthermore, is it really the aforementioned races genes that keep them alive, or their cultures lifestyle?

Cloning a human? We are not really that different to other animals (98.,6% genetically identical to chimps) so like you say, the issue is merely ethical.

Also, imagine if this was taken further. What if two special forces members bred with each other, and the offspring was cloned 100 times, and was then raised in this manner. Possible super soldiers?

Jeez, i'm sick of hearing the word super-soldier. The offspring of two special forces soldiers may or may not inherit the traits of the parents.

Lol, i just realised there are no women in the special forces. Buttsecks anyone?

EDIT: Clones die fast.

now cant the average joe (or in some cases the below-average billy bob) donate and get like 600 bucks out of it?

Usually, no. I have blond hair, blue eyes and an unusually high I.Q.; three things that are in high demand when it comes to donor sperm. I was paid $300, after spending hours getting tested and filling out questionnaires.