View Full Version : Can somebody reccommend some good sites to buy guns off?
McFucking Killyourself
2008-12-24, 20:50
I'm looking for AR15's in particular.
Also why I'm here, how old to you have to be to purchase guns in British Columbia, Canada?
LSA King
2008-12-24, 22:09
This is what I got through a Google search:
By law, a potential customer must be 18 years of age or older to purchase a firearm or legally maintain possession of one. Citizens of Canada under the age of 18 but over the age of 12 may procure a Minor's Licence which does not allow them to purchase a firearm but allows them to borrow a firearm unsupervised and purchase ammunition. Children under the age of 12 that are found to need a firearm to hunt or trap may also be awarded the Minor's Licence. This is generally reserved for children in remote locations, primarily aboriginal communities that engage in sustenance hunting.
http://www.impactguns.com
They have a wide selection of every type of modern weapon including shotguns, rifles, handguns. I must warn you alot of stuff is out of stock or "back ordered". For U.S. buyers I know there is a lot you must do before you properly place your order. Would be best to first talk to your local fire arm dealer and request a copy of there FFL then you have to fax it or scan it to the website you want to order the weapon online from. Next you have to authorize through your local dealer whether or not they will accept an online shipment for you. If they authorize it your good to go. Firearms of any kind cannot be sent to the individual when buying online. You will also probably pay a $25-$50 transfer fee to your local gun store when it arrives (transfer fee).
McFucking Killyourself
2008-12-24, 22:15
This is what I got through a Google search:
By law, a potential customer must be 18 years of age or older to purchase a firearm or legally maintain possession of one. Citizens of Canada under the age of 18 but over the age of 12 may procure a Minor's Licence which does not allow them to purchase a firearm but allows them to borrow a firearm unsupervised and purchase ammunition. Children under the age of 12 that are found to need a firearm to hunt or trap may also be awarded the Minor's Licence. This is generally reserved for children in remote locations, primarily aboriginal communities that engage in sustenance hunting.
http://www.impactguns.com
They have a wide selection of every type of modern weapon including shotguns, rifles, handguns. I must warn you alot of stuff is out of stock or "back ordered". For U.S. buyers I know there is a lot you must do before you properly place your order. Would be best to first talk to your local fire arm dealer and request a copy of there FFL then you have to fax it or scan it to the website you want to order the weapon online from. Next you have to authorize through your local dealer whether or not they will accept an online shipment for you. If they authorize it your good to go. Firearms of any kind cannot be sent to the individual when buying online. You will also probably pay a $25-$50 transfer fee to your local gun store when it arrives (transfer fee).
Holy shit thanks man. I didn't know I could buy ammunation and things like that.
I actually was on that site a couple months ago but I forgot the name but now I know lol.
reggie_love
2008-12-24, 23:47
AR-15's are restricted in Canada, which means you need to get one of those ugly purple licenses that HIFH always talked about.
ilovechronic
2008-12-25, 01:23
You will have to pin the mags permanetly and possibly some other minor modifacations along with getting the said license.
Non of these websites are going to ship a gun to your door if thats what you are thinking. They are going to have to be shipped to a dealer.
LSA King
2008-12-25, 03:00
AR-15's are restricted in Canada, which means you need to get one of those ugly purple licenses that HIFH always talked about.
Well technically couldn't you either A) Order AR piece by piece and have upper receiver and lower receiver sent to a Licensed Dealer to pick up or B) Do two separate orders of full upper receiver and full lower receiver in two separate shipments to your FFL?
reggie_love
2008-12-25, 03:33
Canada law is probably different from ours. Not to mention the difficulty of transnational transport of firearms from the US.
ilovechronic
2008-12-25, 06:05
Well technically couldn't you either A) Order AR piece by piece and have upper receiver and lower receiver sent to a Licensed Dealer to pick up or B) Do two separate orders of full upper receiver and full lower receiver in two separate shipments to your FFL?
in the US the upper receiver can be delivered to you door. You can buy complete upper kits that come with prebuilt upper and then the lower parts kit which has every thing you need to turn a stripped lower into a complete one. And then you just buy your stripped lower from you dealer. the upper receiver ever complete with barrel and everything is not considered the firearm by law. The lower reciever only is considered the actuall firearm by US law since it contains the trigger group.
You can also get 80% complete lowers that still require drilling and tapping certain parts of the lower for it to be considered a fire arm. 80% complete lowers do not have to go trough a ffl. usually you want to use a jig for this. once you start drilling the rest it will be considered a firarm as soon as it is past 80% complete. This is US law though canada is probably different.
Now I may be wrong on this but on the lowers made from 80% complete type do not have to have a serial number.(once again I could be wrong onthat)
LSA King
2008-12-25, 07:02
Wow I did not know that. I will definitally have to come post on this forum when I get honorably discharged in early March and start building my AR. So technically I can just search online and the full upper receiver I want for my AR build with bolt/charging handle included and have it sent directly to my house? Pretty sweet, probably still cost me $500 or more but much easier to work on a project with half the product in your hand, plus easier on the bank account.
As far as the 80% lower is concerned I'm kind of confused as far as the drilling and all that is concerned. I figured you can order the whole thing put together already. I don't have a drill is why I say that and am unaware of what you were referring to by drilling and putting together since I planned originally to buy the whole thing from a dealer put together but everyone's out and are charging far too much.
ilovechronic
2008-12-25, 07:25
Wow I did not know that. I will definitally have to come post on this forum when I get honorably discharged in early March and start building my AR. So technically I can just search online and the full upper receiver I want for my AR build with bolt/charging handle included and have it sent directly to my house? Pretty sweet, probably still cost me $500 or more but much easier to work on a project with half the product in your hand, plus easier on the bank account.
As far as the 80% lower is concerned I'm kind of confused as far as the drilling and all that is concerned. I figured you can order the whole thing put together already. I don't have a drill is why I say that and am unaware of what you were referring to by drilling and putting together since I planned originally to buy the whole thing from a dealer put together but everyone's out and are charging far too much.
When you do a ar15 build you can completely build it part by part but it is better to buy the prebuilt upper receiver, lower parts kit, and goto your local firarm dealer and purchase a stripped lower reciever. Ar15.com has guides on how to assemble the lower receiver. it is somewhat challenging the first time you build one but after that it is pretty easy.
You dont neec much tools justa few punches, vice grips, atleast half a brain, screwdriver, hands, and fingers.
The 80% lower is not considered a firearm like the stripped lower receiver is. The 80% is unfinished and requires drilling.
Stripped lower:
www.coldwarshooters.net/images/star15.jpg
This is a 80% lower and drilling jig.
www.vbd.com/noc/images/products/263141920.jpg
the 80% lower is much more challenging to make.
edit: also, know your state and local laws because there may be additional laws for ar15 type rifles for you locally.
LSA King
2008-12-25, 07:59
Thanks for all the info sounds like a good challenge. You kind of answered most my AR-15 questions. Stay around come march when I put the lower receiver together I might call upon you on where to clamp and what I do with the extra screw ;)
reggie_love
2008-12-25, 08:22
As far as the 80% lower is concerned I'm kind of confused as far as the drilling and all that is concerned. I figured you can order the whole thing put together already. I don't have a drill is why I say that and am unaware of what you were referring to by drilling and putting together since I planned originally to buy the whole thing from a dealer put together but everyone's out and are charging far too much.
You can buy a lower, it's just that it won't be shipped to your door because it's the only part counts as a firearm rather than just a part. As such, you buy it the same way you'd buy a whole gun. If you want to order one, you have to get it sent through a dealer so they can do background checks, waiting periods, etc.
If you want to get a lower completely under the radar, you can build your own. That's where an 80% completed one comes in. Up until it's 80% completed, it's just a hunk of metal. In an AR-15 specifically, you have to file some metal off from the inside of the magwell, drill the takedown holes and the hole for the bolt-stop, drill and tap the pistol grip hole, as well as ream out and tap the buffer tube hole.
And then you have to bead blast/anodize/paint it (if you want a decent finish, but it'll still shoot without it).
That's only for guys like me who live in California and need an off-list lower, or if you're just paranoid and want no paper trail whatsoever. Otherwise it's way easier (and probably better quality) to buy a complete lower. You just have to go through an FFL.
ilovechronic
2008-12-25, 20:13
Thanks for all the info sounds like a good challenge. You kind of answered most my AR-15 questions. Stay around come march when I put the lower receiver together I might call upon you on where to clamp and what I do with the extra screw ;)
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782
That will help you more than I can. i am not very good at explaining that kind of stuff. And I am a visual learner when it comes to guns so this will show you every thing you need to do.
And scroll down and it shows a better way to install the roll pins with vice grips instead of using punches.
LSA King
2008-12-25, 20:17
Yeah I took a peek at it last night before I went to bed. The instructions look pretty straight forward and much less complicated then I thought it would be. Hell I would have modified my own grip and trigger assembly in Iraq had I known it was that easy.
ilovechronic
2008-12-25, 20:19
You can buy a lower, it's just that it won't be shipped to your door because it's the only part counts as a firearm rather than just a part. As such, you buy it the same way you'd buy a whole gun. If you want to order one, you have to get it sent through a dealer so they can do background checks, waiting periods, etc.
If you want to get a lower completely under the radar, you can build your own. That's where an 80% completed one comes in. Up until it's 80% completed, it's just a hunk of metal. In an AR-15 specifically, you have to file some metal off from the inside of the magwell, drill the takedown holes and the hole for the bolt-stop, drill and tap the pistol grip hole, as well as ream out and tap the buffer tube hole.
And then you have to bead blast/anodize/paint it (if you want a decent finish, but it'll still shoot without it).
That's only for guys like me who live in California and need an off-list lower, or if you're just paranoid and want no paper trail whatsoever. Otherwise it's way easier (and probably better quality) to buy a complete lower. You just have to go through an FFL.
do you mean complete lower as n stripped lower? because a complete lower is going to run you $250-$500 and you do not get that nice discount that you would if you assembled a $100-$200 stripped lower(depends on how nice a lower oyu want). when the dealer has to assemble a lower they can add on a 11% tax.
reggie_love
2008-12-25, 21:09
do you mean complete lower as n stripped lower? because a complete lower is going to run you $250-$500 and you do not get that nice discount that you would if you assembled a $100-$200 stripped lower(depends on how nice a lower oyu want). when the dealer has to assemble a lower they can add on a 11% tax.
Yeah sorry I meant stripped. That's a pretty important distinction. Any moron can complete a stripped lower with the right set of punches and pliers. There's even a video on www.lifelibertyetc.com that will show you how.
ilovechronic
2008-12-26, 02:04
Yeah I took a peek at it last night before I went to bed. The instructions look pretty straight forward and much less complicated then I thought it would be. Hell I would have modified my own grip and trigger assembly in Iraq had I known it was that easy.
Yeah the trigger group and grip are very easy to do. the hardes part is putting the the retaining pin that holds in the front disassembly pin. You try and put it in and if you let it go it will go flying. It is tricky to get in, i think I used a flat scredriver to hold it in place while I put the receiver pin in. also the roll pins can be challenging if you try and use as punch to put them in. If you scroll down under the firt guide there is a technique where you use vice grips to force the roll pins in. You just wrap the jaws in tape and then start the pin in and slowly turn the screw on the vice grips until it is forced in. If you try it with the punch it often will bend and then you have to get a new rollpin.
Yeah sorry I meant stripped. That's a pretty important distinction. Any moron can complete a stripped lower with the right set of punches and pliers. There's even a video on www.lifelibertyetc.com that will show you how.it is much easier to use the vice grip technique than to try and use punches to get the roll pins in. The how to pics of the vice grip method are shown on the http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782 build it yourself page.
reggie_love
2008-12-26, 04:41
Ah, I've never owned an AR-15, so I wouldn't know. :p
I do have an 80% receiver sitting around for me to complete someday...